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In Search of Vienna's Vanished Jewish Elite #austria-czech

ezwieback@...
 

Interesting history in a English magazine , Mar-2012, written by Giles
Macdonogh
http://standpointmag.co.uk/features-march-12-in-search-of-viennas-vanished-jewish-elite-giles-macdonogh-rinstrasse-zwieback-family

Many Jewish families are named.
Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, California
Zwieback Family Name;http://ezwieback.com/ZFN-p/index.htm


Right of domicile in Bohemia and Moravia #austria-czech

Julia Trainor
 

Dear fellow researchers

My Great Grandfather Leopold Gottlieb (1846-1930) was born and lived in
Unter Reditz (now Dolni Redice, Holice, Czech Republic), and lived and
died in Grulich (now Kraliky, Czeck Republic). These towns were in Bohemia,
close to the border with Moravia.

I understand that in 1893 Leopold Gottlieb obtained the right of domicile,
and that this was a great blessing for the family.

Here is an extract >from a letter that refers to this right of domicile. The
letter was written by his son in German language, in 1954:

" ... Wenn ich noch berichte, dass Vater im Mahre 1893, nachdem er das Haus
gekauft und umgebaut hatte, in Grulich das Heimatsrecht und damit die
Zustandigkeit in Grulich erworben hat, so habe ich alles berichtet, was ich
weiss.

Dieses Heimatsrecht in Grulich war eine grosse Wohltat for uns alle: stell
Dir nur nor, dass wir alle moglichen Dokumente in UnterReditz hatten
anfordern mussen, von welchem Cechischen Nest nicht einmal Vater wusste, wo
es liegt ..."

Does anyone know what this right of domicile was?

This is my first post to a genealogy discussion list. I have checked the
Jewish Encyclopedia online without success; also the archives of the
Austria-Czech list, where I found a similar question but no answers.

Julia Trainor
Canberra, Australia


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech In Search of Vienna's Vanished Jewish Elite #austria-czech

ezwieback@...
 

Interesting history in a English magazine , Mar-2012, written by Giles
Macdonogh
http://standpointmag.co.uk/features-march-12-in-search-of-viennas-vanished-jewish-elite-giles-macdonogh-rinstrasse-zwieback-family

Many Jewish families are named.
Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, California
Zwieback Family Name;http://ezwieback.com/ZFN-p/index.htm


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Right of domicile in Bohemia and Moravia #austria-czech

Julia Trainor
 

Dear fellow researchers

My Great Grandfather Leopold Gottlieb (1846-1930) was born and lived in
Unter Reditz (now Dolni Redice, Holice, Czech Republic), and lived and
died in Grulich (now Kraliky, Czeck Republic). These towns were in Bohemia,
close to the border with Moravia.

I understand that in 1893 Leopold Gottlieb obtained the right of domicile,
and that this was a great blessing for the family.

Here is an extract >from a letter that refers to this right of domicile. The
letter was written by his son in German language, in 1954:

" ... Wenn ich noch berichte, dass Vater im Mahre 1893, nachdem er das Haus
gekauft und umgebaut hatte, in Grulich das Heimatsrecht und damit die
Zustandigkeit in Grulich erworben hat, so habe ich alles berichtet, was ich
weiss.

Dieses Heimatsrecht in Grulich war eine grosse Wohltat for uns alle: stell
Dir nur nor, dass wir alle moglichen Dokumente in UnterReditz hatten
anfordern mussen, von welchem Cechischen Nest nicht einmal Vater wusste, wo
es liegt ..."

Does anyone know what this right of domicile was?

This is my first post to a genealogy discussion list. I have checked the
Jewish Encyclopedia online without success; also the archives of the
Austria-Czech list, where I found a similar question but no answers.

Julia Trainor
Canberra, Australia


[USA] CA SB 71- Trailer Bill Amends CA Public Records Act - Permitting Voluntary Compliance by Government Agency #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

IAJGS learned this morning that a 'trailer bill' SB 71 will be voted on the
floors of both chambers today or tomorrow "without a hearing" includes
provisions that amend the California Public Records Act and those would
make compliance by a local agency for request for records "voluntary".
The California Senate decided not to hold hearings yesterday! A trailer bill
was originally intended to accompany the budget bill. The last-minute
release of the policy bills needed to implement the spending plan, has become
something of a tradition at the California State Capitol, but the public is not
given enough time to evaluate the sometimes voluminous provisions. This
bill has many provisions I am bringing to your attention the provision that
affects public records, which includes vital records, birth, marriage,
divorce, annulment, and death records.

This is the link to the bill -see pages 3 ( paragraph (3) , 17 (lines
2-40)
-18 (lines 1-24). Go to:

tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/k83jb7s

Original url:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/sen/sb_0051-0100/sb_71_bill_20130612_amended_asm_v98.pdf

There is nothing in the bill that requires the local agency that decides
not to comply with a request for a record to give reasons or appeal their
decision, nor even to get back to the person who is making the request
that they are not going to comply with the request.

To find out what you can do, you need to go to the IAJGS Public Records
Access alert. If you have not yet subscribed this is how you can do that
and access today's announcement by going to the archives,again you must be
subscribed.

You must be a registered subscriber to access the archives. To register
go to:
http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts
and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and
JGS/JHS/SIG/ JewishGen affiliation. You will receive an email response that
you have to reply to or the subscription will not be finalized. If you
want full details of the postings please go to the Records Access Alert and
access the archives;
http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts/

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen [USA] CA SB 71- Trailer Bill Amends CA Public Records Act - Permitting Voluntary Compliance by Government Agency #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

IAJGS learned this morning that a 'trailer bill' SB 71 will be voted on the
floors of both chambers today or tomorrow "without a hearing" includes
provisions that amend the California Public Records Act and those would
make compliance by a local agency for request for records "voluntary".
The California Senate decided not to hold hearings yesterday! A trailer bill
was originally intended to accompany the budget bill. The last-minute
release of the policy bills needed to implement the spending plan, has become
something of a tradition at the California State Capitol, but the public is not
given enough time to evaluate the sometimes voluminous provisions. This
bill has many provisions I am bringing to your attention the provision that
affects public records, which includes vital records, birth, marriage,
divorce, annulment, and death records.

This is the link to the bill -see pages 3 ( paragraph (3) , 17 (lines
2-40)
-18 (lines 1-24). Go to:

tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/k83jb7s

Original url:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/sen/sb_0051-0100/sb_71_bill_20130612_amended_asm_v98.pdf

There is nothing in the bill that requires the local agency that decides
not to comply with a request for a record to give reasons or appeal their
decision, nor even to get back to the person who is making the request
that they are not going to comply with the request.

To find out what you can do, you need to go to the IAJGS Public Records
Access alert. If you have not yet subscribed this is how you can do that
and access today's announcement by going to the archives,again you must be
subscribed.

You must be a registered subscriber to access the archives. To register
go to:
http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts
and follow the instructions to enter your email address, full name and
JGS/JHS/SIG/ JewishGen affiliation. You will receive an email response that
you have to reply to or the subscription will not be finalized. If you
want full details of the postings please go to the Records Access Alert and
access the archives;
http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts/

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Were "housekeepers" really "wives"? #galicia

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Eric M. Bloch wrote on 14 jun 2013:

While transcribing 19th-century Lviv death records, we frequently find
women who have died and are identified as the "wirtschafterin"
(housekeeper, economic general partner) of so-and-so.These women carry
the same surname as their "employer."

Since the 19th-century Austrian government did not recognize Jewish
religious marriages, only civil marriages,
I strongly doubt if they do now.

French [Napoleon] and German law only recognize civil marriage.

Overhere [Netherlands] religious marriage of the civil unmarried is
illegal. The synagoge or church ceremony/ritual follows the civil one in
the town hall, on the same day or sometimes [much] later.

I'm wondering if these women
were in fact married to so-and-so via a religious ceremony but without a
civil marriage.Rather than documenting their status as unmarried (and
thus "living in sin")
"living in sin", what a christion notion, nothing to do with civil law or
not having a ketubah [then and there!]. Perhaps only the civil status of
the offspring made a marriage important. The children's Jewish status
being only due to that of the mother.

the government graciously allowed them to be
identified as "housekeepers"
In those times man having a duly married wife often referrred to her as
his "housekeeper".

(apparently there was no such thing as a
"common law" wife as we have in the U.S.).
That depends on the age and time. "common law marriage" is a British, and
even more recently still Scottish notion, only coined because of the
rising of the church wedding becomming civil law. "Your" U.S. notion is
[only] a derivative of that.

Under European continental law the civil marriage was introduced as a
matter of registration.

Can anyone verify that these "housekeepers" were in fact religiously
married to their "employer"?
Of cource not, "I take her as my wife" was as much an economic unity as
anything, in that sense the modern word "employer" did not apply.

Probably some to many of those unions were sealed by a ketubah, the Jewish
marriage beng a contractual, not a ritual happening.


Examples:

"Anton Rauchenbichler verstarb [=died] am 26. April 1834 [..]. Am selben
Tag heiratete [=married] er noch seine Wirtschafterin [=housewife] und
Lebensgefährtin [=lifecompanion] Marie Holzner, mit der er einen Sohn
hatte."
<http://www.salzburg.com/wiki/index.php/Anton_Rauchenbichler>

Breishies 24:67
[king James translation}
"And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and
she became his wife; and he loved her."

German (Luther 1545) translation
Da führete sie Isaak in die Hütte seiner Mutter Sara und nahm die Rebekka,
und sie ward sein Weib, und gewann sie lieb.

Later English translations say "he married Rebekah and loved her", but
there is no notion of any wedding in ceremonial or legal sense in
Breishies 24:67, methinks.
<http://interlinearbible.org/genesis/24-67.htm>

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Were "housekeepers" really "wives"? #general

Evertjan. <exxjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Eric M. Bloch wrote on 14 jun 2013:

While transcribing 19th-century Lviv death records, we frequently find
women who have died and are identified as the "wirtschafterin"
(housekeeper, economic general partner) of so-and-so.These women carry
the same surname as their "employer."

Since the 19th-century Austrian government did not recognize Jewish
religious marriages, only civil marriages,
I strongly doubt if they do now.

French [Napoleon] and German law only recognize civil marriage.

Overhere [Netherlands] religious marriage of the civil unmarried is
illegal. The synagoge or church ceremony/ritual follows the civil one in
the town hall, on the same day or sometimes [much] later.

I'm wondering if these women
were in fact married to so-and-so via a religious ceremony but without a
civil marriage.Rather than documenting their status as unmarried (and
thus "living in sin")
"living in sin", what a christion notion, nothing to do with civil law or
not having a ketubah [then and there!]. Perhaps only the civil status of
the offspring made a marriage important. The children's Jewish status
being only due to that of the mother.

the government graciously allowed them to be
identified as "housekeepers"
In those times man having a duly married wife often referrred to her as
his "housekeeper".

(apparently there was no such thing as a
"common law" wife as we have in the U.S.).
That depends on the age and time. "common law marriage" is a British, and
even more recently still Scottish notion, only coined because of the
rising of the church wedding becomming civil law. "Your" U.S. notion is
[only] a derivative of that.

Under European continental law the civil marriage was introduced as a
matter of registration.

Can anyone verify that these "housekeepers" were in fact religiously
married to their "employer"?
Of cource not, "I take her as my wife" was as much an economic unity as
anything, in that sense the modern word "employer" did not apply.

Probably some to many of those unions were sealed by a ketubah, the Jewish
marriage beng a contractual, not a ritual happening.


Examples:

"Anton Rauchenbichler verstarb [=died] am 26. April 1834 [..]. Am selben
Tag heiratete [=married] er noch seine Wirtschafterin [=housewife] und
Lebensgefährtin [=lifecompanion] Marie Holzner, mit der er einen Sohn
hatte."
<http://www.salzburg.com/wiki/index.php/Anton_Rauchenbichler>

Breishies 24:67
[king James translation}
"And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and
she became his wife; and he loved her."

German (Luther 1545) translation
Da führete sie Isaak in die Hütte seiner Mutter Sara und nahm die Rebekka,
und sie ward sein Weib, und gewann sie lieb.

Later English translations say "he married Rebekah and loved her", but
there is no notion of any wedding in ceremonial or legal sense in
Breishies 24:67, methinks.
<http://interlinearbible.org/genesis/24-67.htm>

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)
Visit [recently changed URL]: <http://synagogeenschede.nl/>


[USA} Georgia Archives To Add Staff and Hours- A Genealogical Community Success #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

It was recently reported that the Georgia Archives were transferred to the
Georgia University System and the funding for the Archives was included in
the state budget under the University system. The genealogical community
worked together to retain the Archives and increase the funding that had
originally been proposed. The Archives had suffered major staffing and hours
cutbacks over the past several years and it was hoped that the transfer
would be the positive solution to the problem. It was announced today-June
14 by Georgia Archives Director Christopher Davidson, that the Archives will
be: hiring three additional professionals; increasing part-time staff
hours; opening to the public on Wednesdays and Thursdays beginning July 31.
Weekly hours will be Wednesdays-Saturdays, 8:30 a.m.-5 p.m.; increasing
conservation and processing activities of the Archives collections. To read
more about this positive turn of events go to:

http://tinyurl.com/my8g269 .

Original url:

http://georgiaarchivesmatters.org/2013/06/14/more-good-news-from-the-archives/

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen [USA} Georgia Archives To Add Staff and Hours- A Genealogical Community Success #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

It was recently reported that the Georgia Archives were transferred to the
Georgia University System and the funding for the Archives was included in
the state budget under the University system. The genealogical community
worked together to retain the Archives and increase the funding that had
originally been proposed. The Archives had suffered major staffing and hours
cutbacks over the past several years and it was hoped that the transfer
would be the positive solution to the problem. It was announced today-June
14 by Georgia Archives Director Christopher Davidson, that the Archives will
be: hiring three additional professionals; increasing part-time staff
hours; opening to the public on Wednesdays and Thursdays beginning July 31.
Weekly hours will be Wednesdays-Saturdays, 8:30 a.m.-5 p.m.; increasing
conservation and processing activities of the Archives collections. To read
more about this positive turn of events go to:

http://tinyurl.com/my8g269 .

Original url:

http://georgiaarchivesmatters.org/2013/06/14/more-good-news-from-the-archives/

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


[Canada] Library and Archives Canada Release 1825 Lower Canada On-Line #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Library and Archives Canada (LAC) announced they have placed the Lower
Canada 1825 census on line. Lower Canada is modern-day Quebec and this
census covers some 74,000 households. The 1825 census only contains the
names of heads of family, their occupation, and the number of residents for
each family. The database can be searched by family name, first name and
keyword To search the census go to:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1825/Pages/1825.aspx

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen [Canada] Library and Archives Canada Release 1825 Lower Canada On-Line #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Library and Archives Canada (LAC) announced they have placed the Lower
Canada 1825 census on line. Lower Canada is modern-day Quebec and this
census covers some 74,000 households. The 1825 census only contains the
names of heads of family, their occupation, and the number of residents for
each family. The database can be searched by family name, first name and
keyword To search the census go to:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1825/Pages/1825.aspx

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


ViewMate - is there parents information there (Polish) ? #general

Ofer Biran <biranofer@...>
 

Investigating again an old marriage record, I really need the groom's
parents for correlation. The response I got says no parents info, but
appreciate another look - seems to me that 2 words after the first
occurrence of the groom name Lejzor Wejland there is another name(s),
of parent(s) ?


http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=19390

Thanks
Ofer


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate - is there parents information there (Polish) ? #general

Ofer Biran <biranofer@...>
 

Investigating again an old marriage record, I really need the groom's
parents for correlation. The response I got says no parents info, but
appreciate another look - seems to me that 2 words after the first
occurrence of the groom name Lejzor Wejland there is another name(s),
of parent(s) ?


http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=19390

Thanks
Ofer


MACHET Family from Rozalimas, Lithuania #general

Bubbles Segall
 

I am helping Mike MACHET with his family research. He has the
following information so far:
Meyer (also known as Max) Machet (1881 - 1938) was born in Rozalimas
in Lithuania. He married Marie Donner. They are both buried in the
Brixton Cemetery in Johannesburg.

Meyer and Marie had four children:
Regina (about 1911 (about 1960)
Abraham (1913 - 1970) Mike's father
Rose (about 1917 - 1979) buried in the Westpark Cemetery, Johannesburg
Woolf (about 1920 - about 1980)

Mike has information on Meyer and Marie's four children and has found
shipping records which show the family's travels to Canada, the US and
South Africa.

The Boston Arrivals of Jewish Immigrants >from the HIAS Records 1882
- 1929 show that the family stayed with a Sam WEISS at 120S Main
Street, Adrian, MI.
Does anyone know anything about Sam WEISS.
Did Meyer have any siblings.
Does anyone have any information on the family in Rozalimas in Lithuania.

Bubbles Segall
Melbourne
Australia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MACHET Family from Rozalimas, Lithuania #general

Bubbles Segall
 

I am helping Mike MACHET with his family research. He has the
following information so far:
Meyer (also known as Max) Machet (1881 - 1938) was born in Rozalimas
in Lithuania. He married Marie Donner. They are both buried in the
Brixton Cemetery in Johannesburg.

Meyer and Marie had four children:
Regina (about 1911 (about 1960)
Abraham (1913 - 1970) Mike's father
Rose (about 1917 - 1979) buried in the Westpark Cemetery, Johannesburg
Woolf (about 1920 - about 1980)

Mike has information on Meyer and Marie's four children and has found
shipping records which show the family's travels to Canada, the US and
South Africa.

The Boston Arrivals of Jewish Immigrants >from the HIAS Records 1882
- 1929 show that the family stayed with a Sam WEISS at 120S Main
Street, Adrian, MI.
Does anyone know anything about Sam WEISS.
Did Meyer have any siblings.
Does anyone have any information on the family in Rozalimas in Lithuania.

Bubbles Segall
Melbourne
Australia


Re: looking for researcher #romania

Rosanne Leeson
 

We have had a researcher photographing the Jewish records in Suceava,
but we have no records of anything >from Selyatin. That is why I
suggested connecting with the Ukraine SIG.

Rosanne Leeson
=========================================

On 6/15/2013 11:25 AM, LucR wrote:
Since SELETIN was in Romania between the wars and before that in Austria -
Bukovina, isn't it possible that civil records may be at Suceava
National Archive?

Luc Radu
Great Neck, NY

On 6/15/13 1:26 PM, "rdleeson" <rdleeson@comcast.net> wrote:

Dear Saralea,

The town to which you refer, Selyatin, is in now in Ukraine, not
Romania. I recommend you contact the Ukraine SIG for possible
assistance, and information about accessing records there.

Good luck,
Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator Rom-SIG
======================================================================
On 6/14/2013 10:49 AM, Saralea wrote:
I am trying to find a researcher who can help me find records of my
grandfather's
family in Selyatin, a town now in Romania. I have tried other lists,
but so far
no one can recommend anyone. I am not sure where the old records may
be, Suceava,
Radui or somewhere else.

Can anyone on this list help?


Romania SIG #Romania Re: looking for researcher #romania

Rosanne Leeson
 

We have had a researcher photographing the Jewish records in Suceava,
but we have no records of anything >from Selyatin. That is why I
suggested connecting with the Ukraine SIG.

Rosanne Leeson
=========================================

On 6/15/2013 11:25 AM, LucR wrote:
Since SELETIN was in Romania between the wars and before that in Austria -
Bukovina, isn't it possible that civil records may be at Suceava
National Archive?

Luc Radu
Great Neck, NY

On 6/15/13 1:26 PM, "rdleeson" <rdleeson@comcast.net> wrote:

Dear Saralea,

The town to which you refer, Selyatin, is in now in Ukraine, not
Romania. I recommend you contact the Ukraine SIG for possible
assistance, and information about accessing records there.

Good luck,
Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator Rom-SIG
======================================================================
On 6/14/2013 10:49 AM, Saralea wrote:
I am trying to find a researcher who can help me find records of my
grandfather's
family in Selyatin, a town now in Romania. I have tried other lists,
but so far
no one can recommend anyone. I am not sure where the old records may
be, Suceava,
Radui or somewhere else.

Can anyone on this list help?


Were "housekeepers" really "wives"? #germany

Renate Rosenau <RenateRosenau@...>
 

Re: Meanings of "Hausfrau" and "Wirtschafterin" or "Wirtschaftsleiterin"

Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 somebody asked me: "Were "housekeepers" really "wives"?"

"Hausfrau" (housewife) was used as term for the private sphere, indicationg
that she did the house and home management for her own family herself.

In contrary "Wirtschafterin" or "Wirtschaftsleiterin" means housework in
employment and >from end of 19th century included a special training for this
in (vocational) colleges like hoehere Toechterschule, Frauenarbeitsschule,
Hoehere Maedchenschule, they were the first colleges offering training for
housekeeping and/or office work and for qualified employment for girls and
women, besides nursing.

Renate Rosenau, Alzey/Germany RenateRosenau@t-online.de


German SIG #Germany Were "housekeepers" really "wives"? #germany

Renate Rosenau <RenateRosenau@...>
 

Re: Meanings of "Hausfrau" and "Wirtschafterin" or "Wirtschaftsleiterin"

Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 somebody asked me: "Were "housekeepers" really "wives"?"

"Hausfrau" (housewife) was used as term for the private sphere, indicationg
that she did the house and home management for her own family herself.

In contrary "Wirtschafterin" or "Wirtschaftsleiterin" means housework in
employment and >from end of 19th century included a special training for this
in (vocational) colleges like hoehere Toechterschule, Frauenarbeitsschule,
Hoehere Maedchenschule, they were the first colleges offering training for
housekeeping and/or office work and for qualified employment for girls and
women, besides nursing.

Renate Rosenau, Alzey/Germany RenateRosenau@t-online.de

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