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jack nathanson
Marilyn,
It looks like the address is: Strada Noiembrie No. 4, Cernauti, Romania.
"Noiembrie" is the Romanian word for the month of "November".
Jack Nathanson,
Montreal
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I can testify to the kindness and of the ushmm in making these sites as accessible as possible. Some of the smaller sites of local museums are missing the big view and not allowing their testimonies to be seen by those who inquire, even to living survivors of same hometown or for researchers. So the USHMM has extended itself to complete the gap and I definitely recommend it. Feigie Teichman
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Having an index like this at JewishGen is a great idea. Let me add one major source of testimony that has been left out here: book testimony. Many survivors have decided to put their first person accounts into books. A source would be the Azrieli Foundation for Canadian survivor books, the Israel National Library for Israeli survivor books, Scholastic for some American survivors targeted to young audiences for a start. Also there are brand new testimonies I dont recall exact names of begun in pandemic for fear of death from covid. One of these was done in London a few months ago and one was done in Boro Park and is geared to having survivors lead the interviews more and is much gentler. I would also suggest using the freedom of information act to obtain cia interview records of survivors in DP camps for their testimony. Thank you. Feigie Teichman
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Re: Can two brothers--alive at the same time--be named Abram and Abraham?
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@Israel P
Your examples reflect what I think may have happened--travel under another's papers. Makes me wonder/worry what happened to "Abraham" and where (back in Poland?) because the family's relocation to England happened in response to pogroms.
@AdrianAsz
I knew they were same name and highly unlikely for brothers alive at same time, which is why I posed this dilemma here.
Yes, thought of cousins, but the survivors who knew relevant folks say they weren't cousins, but their childen were.
Definitely two people, and I agree, some story to be told, if only . . .
@Amybeth
Thank you for your ideas. Yes, gravestone has "Abram Moishe" (because only placed recently, by descendants who've heard same details).
Thank you all for your thghtful feedback.
Carolynn Duffy
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There are some concentration camp related sites that are still almost never visited even by birthright march of living despite my attempts to relay importance. Only remains of 14000 Jews were actually at Maidanek death camp. The remaining over 200000 are interred together with Polish resistors and earlier Jew killing in Lublin, at Krepiac Forest which is a mass grave of 300000 with a Polish military cross that includes the Polish word for Jews so nothing else has been done by Jewish organizations due to sensibilities of Poles. There is no Jewish star and no groups of Jews to visit and say Kaddish and to leave pebbles and to take photos of these pebbles to give comfort to still living survivor descendants of these martyrs. This site also has actual complete bodies so it is considered "kever avos". It is a site where honor can be provided to the dead and I encourage people who are going to make the detour there. Please message me if you need more details. There are many others like this often unmarked. There are many sites of mass liquidation of ghettos that became mass death like the site in Ordinary Men: Battalion 101 about Konskowola Ghetto. As far as early associations of the camps and lack of visits I too grew up with the silence because of the urgent need to move on to perpetuate the Jewish nation and not look back. I grew up with the sick laughter at people asking if I was in a camp for the summer. Or whether my parents had gone to camps when they were young. Somehow I loved Amtrak and trains though and never quite absorbed the fear of them leading to death camps perhaps because my father zl ended up working for the mta in realty division and took them everyday. I wonder now how he stood it. Thanks for a good thread to air our feelings and info. Feigie Teichman
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Weiner (Vayner) Family from Slutsk, Belarus?
#belarus
David Levine
Hi I know for certain my paternal great-grandfather was from Slutsk. I had long thought that his wife, Fannie Weiner (Vayner) was also from Slutsk. I have discovered that all of my great grandparents from Slutsk were married in arranged marriages at distances of over 100 KM, which was quite surprising to see those distances. Unsurprisingly, my researchers found no Weiner's in Slutsk. Also, there are no Weiner's (Vayner's) mentioned at all in the Slutsk Pinkas Chevra Kadisha (Burial society) records (17,842 records) via various searches ("Wein" "Vay" etc). I am thinking this was another long distance arranged marriage with a man from Slutsk and a woman from somewhere else I know it's a long shot, does anyone know of or is searching any Weiner / Vayner families from nearby (within 200 KM) miles? Thanks David -- Best Regards, David Levine San Francisco, CA, USA davidelevine@...
Researching:
Weinstein -> Solotwina, Galicia | Frisch, Hilman, Jungerman, Schindler -> Rozniatow, Galicia | Golanski, Kramerofsky/Kromerovsky -> Kiev | Lefkowitz -> Petrikov, Belarus | Shub, Rosen Hlusk, Belarus | Levine, Weiner, Zamoshkin -> Slutsk, Belarus
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Dear Paul
Here are some suggestions where you could do some research and find some more information:
In the UK National Archives: records of the internment camps in the UK.
In the UK Newspapers archives: reports about the internment camps in the UK.
In the National Archives of Australia: passenger lists and records of the camps.
In the Australian Newspapers on Trove: internment camps in Australia
and the ships from Europe to Australia and from Australia to California.
In the Californian Newspapers Archives: ships from Australia to California.
Regards
Corinne Iten, Switzerland
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Hello,
The street name is "11 Noemvrie".
The 1936 (not 1939) Cernauti business directory lists a total of 13 people (or businesses) at that address, but not with the name "Suzcher (?)" from the postcard. See attached.Directories and other info for Czernowitz can be found at: http://czernowitz.blogspot.com/2010/02/address-book-for-czernowitz-for-year.htmlOnline searches can also find good quality maps of Czernowitz from the timeframe.Best,Ron Laby
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My first cousin Otto Joseph -- later Asher Joseph* -- was a Dunera internee. Born in Gelnhausen, Germany, in 1922, he went to England in 1939. He was subsequently detained as an "enemy alien" and sent to Australia on the infamous HMT Dunera. On his release, in July 1942, he went to what was then Palestine, where he lived until his death in 1986.
* Not to be confused with Joseph Asher, who was also an internee.
In 2010, I received two of Otto's records from Carol Bunyan, a volunteer researcher at the Dunera Museum in Hay, Australia (https://www.duneraassociation.com/contacts/) -- a "Service & Casualty" record and a "Report on Internee." Carol's source for both records: the National Archives of Australia. They were informative but also infuriating -- especially considering that while the English detained Asher, the Germans murdered his mother, my father's sister Bertha.
Asher and other Dunera internees were quoted in the attached newspaper article.
WorldCat.org lists a number of books about the Dunera.
Looking to fill in information on the following on my late father ..either background or family
members that were there
Kurt Ehrmann dob 7.11.1922
Boarded in Berlin kindertransport dec 38-age 16
Arrived at harwich and sent to dovercourt dec 39
huyton internment camp England spring 40 (collar the lot enemy aliens-not really)
hmt dunera hellship
Hay-Tartua internment camp
Unit 8-Australian army (Dunera boys)
Believe fought in New Guinea (wounded)-most did not that were in this Unit
Discharged spring 45-Lived on Church street in Richmond, 5 hours south of Hay for 10 mo before.....
Leaving-Matson steamer Spring 1946 to San Francisco
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Re: Can two brothers--alive at the same time--be named Abram and Abraham?
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Another possibility is that the brothers were half brothers and had one parent who was different, or one son was adopted.
Jill Whitehead, Surrey, Uk
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Susan H. Sachs
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Re: Can two brothers--alive at the same time--be named Abram and Abraham?
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In my tree I have a Yitzchok and and Ayzik who were brothers, both alive at the same time. Both correspond strongly with Isaac.
I was given my a Jewish name, Meir David, while my grandfather Yitzchok David was alive.
In the Bible Abram was renamed Abraham. In some way they could be considered two separate names
it’s pretty clear two brothers would not have the exact same Jewish/Hebrew name. (George Foreman notwithstanding)
some possibilities include:
1- despite having the same moniker they had different Jewish names.
2- different second names may have sufficed to consider the names “different”. Abram Moses may have been considered different enough
3- Abram/Abraham may have been the second Jewish name of one brother
4- Sephardic Jews do not have the taboo.
Finding the birth records would help greatly.
good luck
David Dubin
teaneck, nj
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Re: Can two brothers--alive at the same time--be named Abram and Abraham?
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Robert Weinberg <weinberg@...>
I bet that they had different names at birth, either in Hebrew or Yiddish, and one of them changed his name years later to one that was more of his liking. Highly unlikely to have been given the same name (Abram = Abraham) at birth. Bob Weinberg
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Re: Can two brothers--alive at the same time--be named Abram and Abraham?
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Amybeth
Hello,
My great grandmother Rebecca Schoenberg had 3 brothers- Yomtov, Jacob Leib, & Hyman (Chaim). Their father was Mordechai (Max) & his brother was also Jacob Leib Schoenberg. Yomtov changed his names to Jacob as well. So yes- it’s possible. Not sure why my great Uncle Yomtov also chose Jacob but he did.
Perhaps one of yours also had a different name but went by Abraham? Have you found their gravestones? Yomtov/Jacob’s gravestone lists his name as Yomtov on the grave. I would look at their gravestones to see what they say & if they both list them as being “the son of” the same man to verify that they are indeed full brothers.
Best of luck!
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Amybeth Gregory
Western, NY
Researching:
BLUMENTHAL: Russia> Poland> NYC> Rochester, NY
SCHOENBERG/SHOENBERG: Russia/Ukraine (Kuz’myn) (Satanov)> Rochester, NY
POLLACK/POLLAK: Russia/Ukraine (Kuz’myn) (Satanov)
COHEN/ha COHEN: Russia/Ukraine (Kuz’myn) (Satanov)
GRYNGRAS: Poland (Radzilow) (Szczuczyn)
Amybeth.gregory@...
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Re: Can two brothers--alive at the same time--be named Abram and Abraham?
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Hello,
It seems extremely unlikely, to not say impossible. Abram and Abraham are a same first name, and therefore it is not given to two different siblings.
1. It can be the same person, named Abraham, Abram or Abram Moishe. I have an ancestor being named Tsvi, or Hirsch, or Tsvi Hirsch in different places.
2. But due to one being born 1875, the other 1857, I would say cousins rather than brothers. It's an option to be considered.
3. Or one could have been adopted?
4. I have in my tree two brothers that switched identities, in order for the youngest to travel to the US under the oldest name.
If it is a fact that they were two individuals, there is without a doubt a story to be told - but not the one of a common first name for two brothers given by their parents.
Best,
Adrien Aszerman
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We are currently researching and documenting the history of the Jewish community of Vereeniging and would appreciate receiving information about the KATZEN family who were very early settlers in the town.
If you are able to provide information kindly contact us on our email address as listed below.
Thank you and kind regards
Elona Steinfeld
Research Co-ordinator
South African Friends of Beth Hatefutsoth
Safeguarding the history of ‘Jewish Life in the South African Country Communities’
Email: museum@...
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/southafricanjewishcountrylife/
Website: http://jewishcountrylife.co.za
-- Saul Issroff London UK
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Re: Can two brothers--alive at the same time--be named Abram and Abraham?
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Not the same thing (it never is!) but I have a few examples.:
1. Two of my sisters have the same (Jewish) middle name.
2. We know two brothers named Louis.One of them adopted that name in adulthood.
3. We have a man named Herman who went by Mike, after he used his brother Michael's papers to get a job when he was underage.
Israel Pickholtz
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There are many individual ways of facing concentration camps and the fates of the millions of victims. This is mine.
I am living in Alzey/Rheinhessen - a town with a long Jewish History and the district mental hospital - and I am engaged with (regional) research of the Jewish History and of Nazi “Euthanasia”.
I was 4, living in the mostly catholic Rhineland, when my family was liberated from die Nazi terror. As a “privilegierte Mischehe” (privileged mixed marriage) of my parents and the help of resistant locals we had survived in Germany and I remember our family evenings after 1945 well, when the family gathered round a table and the letters coming in were read loud once or twice and discussed. I remember the terms …”Edith (Julius/Rolf usw) ist umgekommen” (perished) or: Fredy (Herbert, Werner usw.) hat überlebt” (survived). These terms got into my child vocabulary as a standard for the fate of relatives and friends.
I visited Auschwitz on a study tour with my teacher colleagues in 1974. At that time my family thought that our relatives had perished there. In Auschwitz first I thought I was strong enough to face the place and find traces of my aunts, uncles, cousins, but after I had seen heaps of hair, glasses, shoes – some might have been from my relatives - I got something like a breakdown. My teacher colleagues were very understanding and helpful. Only two years later, when the first “Gedenkbuch”(Memorial book of the Persecution of Jews under the NS Tyranny in Germany 1933-45) was published by the Bundesarchiv, we learnt where my relatives had perished, many not in Auschwitz, and a process of research started in the family. After this experience and history studies I was strong enough to face such places, I have visited many in- and outside Germany since, and later, after 1994, to research Nazi “euthanasia” of thousands of mentally ill patients as well as local Jewish history. For both victim groups I am in small working groups and on the board of a working group for Nazi history on state level in Rhine-Palatinate.
My personal way to mentally work on this part of criminal German history is to find out the biographies and publish the fate of the mentally ill victims as well as the Jewish victims of my family and of the Alzey region, recall their names and fates, several hundred by now. With the data bases I built up of for both groups (with over 7.000 names) I am able to answer descendants’ questions, now mostly of the second following generation, contribute to conferences or publications and work with students. I feel I do this in first place for my family – especially my father, the last director of the Israelitische Heil- und Pflegeanstalt in Bendorf-Sayn 1940-1942, where I was born, and for the families of the victims. With the Jewish surviving relatives I got contacts in many countries, and meanwhile friends.
But to face and understand the criminal German history is a never ending challenge, looking back in history as well as to actual developments.
Renate Rosenau
Alzey/Rheinhessen, Germany
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Ships & Passenger Lists Lisbon to Havana early 1940s Mermelstein- Torten
#general
I am seeking the ship names & passenger lists that successfully ferried Jewish refugees from Lisbon to Havana. As part of their escape from Vienna to ultimately NY, my mom (a young child) & her parents sailed from Lisbon to Havana in the timeframe of late 1940 - 1943, I think. I am trying to find out the name of the ship that took them. I have tried the Steven Morse site & the JDC
without success. My maternal grandparents were Saul & Eva Mermelstein Torten. They were in Cuba for 2 years before their turn came on the quota to enter the US.
I would appreciate direction to finding the names of the ships & passengers from Lisbon to Havana in that timeframe.
Thank you.
-Helen
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Helen Kon
New York City, NY
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