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Re: Yiddish Language Instructions - Duolingo
#yiddish
Gloria Berkenstat Freund
The people voicing the Yiddish sentences on Duolingo are speaking Yiddish with a Satmar [Hungarian] accent. It is definitely not the "standard" YIVO pronunciation nor the Yiddish that was spoken in Poland that I grew up hearing. It also is not the Yiddish accent that one would hear at the Workers' Circle [Arbeter Ring] or YIVO Yiddish classes.
Gloria Berkenstat Freund NYC
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Re: Yiddish Language Instructions - Duolingo
#yiddish
Jeffrey Grossman
Here are links to a couple of explanations of the various accents/dialects used in the Duolingo course:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiZSQtfKo_I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYLVqfiLDpM Jeffrey Grossman Redmond WA SEARCHING Horowitz/Gurevitch (Vitebsk) Grossmann (Berlin)
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Re: Perkels in Belarus
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spolon@...
Here are the Perkels in Pruzhany in the Census of 1853. The source is a site about Pruzhany I am not sure it still exist.
Abram Leizerovich Perkel 62 Sons 1) Leizer Ber 37 2) Leiba 24 3) Morduch 21 4) Shmuilo 14 Leizer’s son Orel Icka 10 Chaim Gesheliovich Perkel 25 Brother Meer 29 Leizer Mendel Davidovich Perkel 43 Son Shlioma 21 Rafal Leizerovich Perkel 30 Son Leizer 14 Brother Movsha 26 Jankel Eliovich Perkel 25 Brother Orel 30 Orel’s son Nosel 11Hope this helps, Max Polonovski Cercle de genealogie juive, Paris, France
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Re: Census Records? 1887
#russia
LarryBassist@...
On Miriam Weiner's Routes to Roots Foundation website, https://www.rtrfoundation.org/search.php ,searching for Bialystok, we get under the second Census link:
Locality/Town: BIALYSTOK
Powiat/County: BIALYSTOK
Wojewodztwo/Province: BIALYSTOK
Country: POLAND
Archive Name: NATIONAL HISTORICAL ARCHIVES OF BELARUS IN GRODNO
Archive Locale: GRODNO
Archive Type: ARCHIVES
Document Type: CENSUS
Year List: 1853;1858;1860-1865;1869;1874;1883-1896
Zespol/Sygnatura: 2/2/69;24/7/177,182,187,203,213,224 So it appears that the Archives in Grodno has "census" records of some type, maybe they are really revision lists. I hope this helps. Larry Bassist Springville, Utah, USA
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Re: Free Webinar with Dr Janette Silverman , May 23rd Researching in Easter Europe
#events
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Vivs
Apologies, there was a problem with the link
Orange County, Calfiornia
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Re: Different date on birth record
#romania
#records
#yizkorbooks
David Harrison <djh_119@...>
An example of the change of date due to change of calendars the Birthday of my Grandfather. At home in England this was always treated as 14 Jan 1868. But in Poland (or in Russia) it was 30 Dec 1867. Therefore, note that in different countries there may
be different calendars. It should be simple for a Jew to swap between them, being used to swapping dates for work and for play and with some families keeping Yahrzeits in the one system and others in the other. But I forgot it when searching in Poland.
David Harrison
Birmingham, England
From: main@... <main@...> on behalf of jbonline1111@... <jbonline1111@...>
Sent: 15 May 2021 16:56 To: main@... <main@...> Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Different date on birth record #romania #records #yizkorbooks My maternal grandfather was born in what is now Belarus and did not know his birth date, just that it was during Passover, so his children "gave" him a birthday, April 15.
My father's birth certificate says he was born in NYC on March 30, 1917, but we always celebrated his birthday on March 29, because "my mother said that's the day I was born." While the notion that that October 22 was the date of the bris and well might be the correct answer in this case, as my family history shows, there are many reasons that exact birth dates are not known. -- Barbara Sloan Conway, SC
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Re: Different date on birth record
#romania
#records
#yizkorbooks
mpipik
Ha! Birth dates are a fun topic. People really didn't pay attention to those things especially in the old country. Even in the US they can be iffy.
A couple of examples: My gm was born in Warsaw, but she never really new her actual birthday. Somehow in the early 1960s one of her brothers got the date from Warsaw (I wish I knew how). My father's New York City birth certificate has a "wrong" first name (as does my mother's) and a birth date that he said he didn't use as a child. The family celebrated it on a different day a few weeks earlier. Our theory is that the later date was the day the midwife registered the birth. He used the certificate date as his official b-day and celebrated it then too. And to make things crazier, his father's Petition for Naturalization, which lists his family, has a birth date for my father that is a year later and his sister's year was several years too early. And my adult father was there when the petition was filled out. Unless there is a burning reason to have certainty for a birth date, I wouldn't get to worked up about the actual date. As long as you have the right person, be satisfied. Jessica Schein NYC
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Free Webinar with Dr Janette Silverman , May 23rd Researching in Easter Europe
#events
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Vivs
Please share with anyone whom you believe will be interested.
Join us May 23rd at Noon Pacific Time (google what time is it in Los Angeles if you need help converting 😊 for a world class lecturer on Eastern European and Jewish Genealogy, Janette Silverman! "Join me in a recap of a 27 day trip my team and I took to find documents and context for research projects. We drove to Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, Romania and Moldova in search of elusive documents and to discover what various towns might have looked like 100+ years ago, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. We’ll stop in a few of the places so you have an overview of what researching on the ground was like. We’ll discuss some general challenges and what can be accomplished. Perhaps in future talks we’ll take a more in-depth look at archives in specific countries and look at types of documents that can be found."
Dr. Janette Silverman is a professional genealogist, heading a team of researchers specializing in Eastern European and Jewish research at AncestryProGenealogists® the division of Ancestry® that does private client research. Her research on behalf of clients takes her all over the U.S. and Europe.
Janette holds a Doctorate in Jewish Studies from Spertus Institute. Her dissertation, "In Living Memory" explored her family's journey from Europe to the U.S. from the 1880s to the 1920s, contextualizing their experiences.
Her journey into genealogy began over 40 years ago as a hobby with her dad. It became an obsession and the two of them could be found at family gatherings asking endless questions. Her mom taught her to love jigsaw puzzles as a child. The lessons she learned from that are to look at problems and their solutions from many different angles.
Janette speaks at conferences all over the world, now virtually, but previously in person. She has published articles on genealogical research in The Association of Professional Genealogists Quarterly, The Tennessee Historical Quarterly, Avotaynu, and Galitzianer. Most recently, she wrote "Genealogy at a Glance: Finding Eastern European Jewish Ancestors," part of the Genealogy at a Glance series. Except during this period of COVID, she travels extensively in Eastern Europe doing archival research and accompanying clients on visits to their ancestral villages.
Register at this link
Sponsored by the E-Y6923 Jewish YDNA Project
--Vivs Laliberte www.theOCGG.com Orange County, Calfiornia
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Re: Response to query: What would likely be the Jewish name for Samuel Black?
#names
Frank Szmulowicz
How about the simple Schwarz, which is German for black.
Frank Szmulowicz
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Fred Millner
Thank you, Lee, for a thorough response. One point: Shimel/Szymel is Yiddish for Simon. Szmuel/Shmuil is homophonic search-wise but is Samuel. My ggf Shmuil had a brother Shimel.
Fred Millner flmillner@...
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Diane Jacobs
Several things come to mind for you to search.
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1. Try stevemorse.org for NYC death and marriage indexes 2. Look up NYC Directories for 1946 and after. 3. The 1950 US census is due to be public info Next year. This could help you find her in NYC Or elsewhere. Good luck. Diane Jacobs
On May 15, 2021, at 9:49 PM, rlmeher via groups.jewishgen.org <rlmeher=aol.com@...> wrote:
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Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey
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Obtaining German Citizenship under Article 116
#germany
Richard Oppenheimer
A number of you have recently asked questions about obtaining German Citizenship under Article 116. I have just completed the process and received my German citizenship Certificate on May 14, 2021. I started the process in April of 2019. I did everything by myself without the assistance of an attorney. Both of my parents were born in Germany, I was born in the US. I live in Florida, so I contacted the German Embassy in Miami. You must use the Embassy that has jurisdiction of where you live. I was able to obtain birth records of both my parents through the local archives in Germany. Both of my parents are deceased. Additional documents such as proof of my parent’s residency in US, my parents’ marriage certificate, my birth certificate, and my parent’s naturalization certificates for US Citizenship rounded out the documentation needed to apply. I was also asked to provide birth information of all four grandparents. I was told the entire process should take between 18 and 24 months. I mailed all of the documents, which needed to be notarized (in the US) to the Embassy in Miami. Miami mailed the package to Germany for processing. No tests of German history or German language skills were given. The German embassy in Miami reviewed all of my documents prior to sending them to Germany. The Miami embassy asked for a few more details, but once they reviewed it, no one came back to me for more information. Last week, exactly 22 months since I started the process, I was notified to come to the Embassy in person to pick up my Naturalization Certificate and simultaneously apply for a German passport. This must be done in person. The passport should be mailed to me 6 weeks after submitting the application. I looked at the German Embassy website today, and the process now is estimated to take between 24 and 36 months. I hope this answers many of your questions. Feel free to email me directly if you have any more questions.
Richard Oppenheimer Venice Florida
-- Richard Oppenheimer Venice, Florida, USA
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Judy Floam
Is there a way to research deeds in Manhattan on-line? If not, how can I do it in person? I am trying to find out when my grandparents bought the building they lived in (I’m guessing it was in the 1920s or 30s). Thank you.
Judy Floam Baltimore, MD
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Reuven Mohr
"when he arrived in the U.S. in 1875 from Wroclaw, Poland." makes no sense.
If you mean Wroclaw in Silesia, it was a German city till 1945, so Polish spellings are not relevant. If you mean another Polish city, the spelling is probably different. Reuven Mohr, Israel
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Re: Yiddish Language Instructions - Duolingo
#yiddish
Bernard Miller
Thanks for that useful piece of information.
I have been using Duolingo over the past few months either to refresh, activate or learn and have found it useful (but sometimes very annoying) but I will certainly give the Yiddish a try. I was looking for a Catalan course and they do one from Spanish (which I have now completed) and I would be interested in a Ladino course (uTalk do one). And I have used it to refresh my Portuguese and am hoping to revive my Hebrew with it. Bernard Miller London, England
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Re: Perkels in Belarus
#belarus
There are/were PERKELs in South Africa
Louis Zetler
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Re: Response to query: What would likely be the Jewish name for Samuel Black?
#names
Israel P
Samuel could have been any of a dozen Jewish given names or maybe something not connected at all. Black could be a translation, in which case it would depend on the place he came from. Or it could be a "sounds like."
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Prero, Rosenblum and Schwimmer from Munkacz
#subcarpathia
#galicia
#general
Moishe Miller
Dear Group,
My g-g-gf was Israel Schwimmer of Munkacz. I have found records related to his sister, Brane. The 1874 second marriage for Brane Schwimmer of Munkacz (daughter of Jakob Svimmer and Szure), lists her as a widow, marrying Israel Abraham ROSENBLUM, a widower, Talmud teacher, son of Beniamin [Rosenblum], and Beile Klein, born Rÿmánow in Galicia. You can see that marriage record here: https://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/memberadmin/responselist.asp?showmaster=1&viewmateid=80882 I have found earlier records in Munkacz showing children born to a Brane Schwimmer and Lazar (Eliezer) PRERO (but no marriage record yet). It seems possible that these two Brane's, PRERO and ROSENBLUM, are the same person, as the births for the Prero children stop about 1872, prior to Brane's being widowed. Would anyone have knowledge of any of these families? I am looking for some record of family history to bolster or deny my theory. Stay safe, -- Moishe Miller Brooklyn, NY moishe.miller@... JGFF #3391
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Re: How to track naturalization number codes written later on passenger manifests
#records
David,
In addition to the info in the JewishGen Manifest Markings Infofile that Laurie pointed you to, here are a couple of observations that I've made during my naturalization research that might help you:
David Oseas Researching: HYMAN/HEYMAN/HEIMOWITS/CHAJMOVITS: Zemplen-Dobra, Hungary > New York; KLEIN: Satoraljaujhely (Ujhely), Hungary > New York > Los Angeles KRONOWITH: Hungary > New York; OSEAS/OSIAS/OSIASI/OZIAS: Iasi, Romania > Chicago > Milwaukee > Los Angeles SCHECHTER/SHEKTER: Kishinev, Bessarabia > New York; SHERMAN: Iasi, Romania > New York > Los Angeles STRUL: Iasi, Romania > Haifa, Israel; WICHMAN: Syczkowo (Bobruisk), Belarus > Milwaukee > Los Angeles
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Response to query: What would likely be the Jewish name for Samuel Black?
#names
Leslie
In response to: What would likely be the Jewish name for Samuel Black?
It is possible that the name is Blach (German Jews have changed their Blach name to Black). Leslie Koelsch
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