I want to thank Gerhard Buck for the detailed information about BMD
records and would like to have an explanation of "matrikel" as written
in point 4. Some years ago I was told by a German historian working in
the field that this region did not have a matrikel. My research in the
Matrikels of Bavaria only contained birth information (where available)
for male heads of households with Schutzbriefs and not children except
in the case that a son or widow assumed the matrikel number. Before
civil registrations was instituted, the birth and some death information
I have found was contained in Familienbuch, not the matrikel.

Could you and Roger clarify the use of the term "Matrikel" so that we
seek the proper documents when contacting the archives? Asked another
way, is the term a generic term or a more precise term when dealing with
different German-speaking regions.

Thank you in advance for this clarification.

Fran Loeb Luebke, Brookfield, WI USA franluebke@wi.rr.com

I want to thank Gerhard Buck for the detailed information about BMD
records and would like to have an explanation of "matrikel" as written
in point 4. Some years ago I was told by a German historian working in
the field that this region did not have a matrikel. My research in the
Matrikels of Bavaria only contained birth information (where available)
for male heads of households with Schutzbriefs and not children except
in the case that a son or widow assumed the matrikel number. Before
civil registrations was instituted, the birth and some death information
I have found was contained in Familienbuch, not the matrikel.

Could you and Roger clarify the use of the term "Matrikel" so that we
seek the proper documents when contacting the archives? Asked another
way, is the term a generic term or a more precise term when dealing with
different German-speaking regions.

Thank you in advance for this clarification.

Fran Loeb Luebke, Brookfield, WI USA franluebke@wi.rr.com

Thanks to an immediate response >from Daniel Polakovic at the Prague Museum, I
now know the 18th Century origin of Abraham Lobl Kind. While he was born in
Prasny Ujzed around 1810, the family came >from a town beginning with "Z" and
I could not decipher it. The town is Zwikowetz, now Zvikovec, in the district of Rokycany.

I am so grateful for this help >from Prague.

A. Blau

Thanks to an immediate response >from Daniel Polakovic at the Prague Museum, I
now know the 18th Century origin of Abraham Lobl Kind. While he was born in
Prasny Ujzed around 1810, the family came >from a town beginning with "Z" and
I could not decipher it. The town is Zwikowetz, now Zvikovec, in the district of Rokycany.

I am so grateful for this help >from Prague.

A. Blau

Hello Everyone,

Perhaps you can point me in the right direction. With the 1940 census,
I learned that my grandfather's great-aunt, Melanie GOLDSCHMID (born
1862/3, likely in the Austrian Empire) had recently arrived from
Liverpool and moved in with my family in Norwalk, Connecticut. Her
1935 residence is listed as Vienna, Austria.

A number of years ago, Celia was kind enough to help me uncover the
Goldschmid/Goldschmied family's early 19th century origins in Bohemia,
but now I'm looking to make the connection to Vienna, where - through
Melanie's census presence and family oral history - I know other
ancestors of mine may have lived until the start of WWII.

My question is: what might the best way be to obtain records of
Melanie in 1935 Vienna? I've looked on Ancestry.com and throughout the
web, but I don't see anything other than the 1939 "minority" census.
Any hints/leads/suggestions?

All the best,
Scott Leo

Hello Everyone,

Perhaps you can point me in the right direction. With the 1940 census,
I learned that my grandfather's great-aunt, Melanie GOLDSCHMID (born
1862/3, likely in the Austrian Empire) had recently arrived from
Liverpool and moved in with my family in Norwalk, Connecticut. Her
1935 residence is listed as Vienna, Austria.

A number of years ago, Celia was kind enough to help me uncover the
Goldschmid/Goldschmied family's early 19th century origins in Bohemia,
but now I'm looking to make the connection to Vienna, where - through
Melanie's census presence and family oral history - I know other
ancestors of mine may have lived until the start of WWII.

My question is: what might the best way be to obtain records of
Melanie in 1935 Vienna? I've looked on Ancestry.com and throughout the
web, but I don't see anything other than the 1939 "minority" census.
Any hints/leads/suggestions?

All the best,
Scott Leo

I am researching the LEDINA family. They came to the USA (Brooklyn) from
the near Warsaw, starting with Harry, who brought his wife Celia and all
their children over a period of several years. I'm looking for information
on Harry's and Celia's Polish family members and ancestors. Harry's parents
were Abraham and Bleme (or Blanche) Ledina, and they had four other
children: Ruth, Onchille, Morris and Joseph. Ruth either ran or worked for
a butcher shop, Onchille was a Hebrew teacher, Morris was a shoemaker, and
Joseph was a woodturner. Joseph reportedly went to Buenos Aires and hoped
to reach the USA, but we don't know if he ever did, and we do not know the
fate of the others. Celia was born to Louis and Rebecca Zachala. Louis
died when Celia was young, and Rebecca married a man named Zacharik, who
adopted Celia. Any background on this family would be appreciated.
--
Janet L. Lachman

My relative Motti GUBERMAN of Tel Aviv has asked me to place this search for
him.
His mother, Rachel SCHEUER, was the daughter of Max SCHEUER and Orlea
SCHWARTZ of Braila, Rumania.
Max, Orlea and Rachel came to Israel in 1950 and Rachel married Michael
GUBERMAN, also an immigrant >from Rumania. Rachel passed away in 1964 when
Mottie was six.
Max SCHEUER had 2 sisters who migrated >from Braila to Montreal in the early
years of the 20th century.
One of the two sisters was Tillie , married name unknown.
In December 1970 Tillie's daughter Renee came to Israel with her son Ben to
attend Mottie's barmitzva. Renee's older son , name unknown, was then a
medical student. Ben was about the same age as Mottie and should be 54 or 55
today
Hopefully one of our readers will recognise these names and put Mottie in
touch with Ben.

Thanks,
Jules Feldman
Yizreel, Israel
jfeldman@yizrael.org.il

I am researching the LEDINA family. They came to the USA (Brooklyn) from
the near Warsaw, starting with Harry, who brought his wife Celia and all
their children over a period of several years. I'm looking for information
on Harry's and Celia's Polish family members and ancestors. Harry's parents
were Abraham and Bleme (or Blanche) Ledina, and they had four other
children: Ruth, Onchille, Morris and Joseph. Ruth either ran or worked for
a butcher shop, Onchille was a Hebrew teacher, Morris was a shoemaker, and
Joseph was a woodturner. Joseph reportedly went to Buenos Aires and hoped
to reach the USA, but we don't know if he ever did, and we do not know the
fate of the others. Celia was born to Louis and Rebecca Zachala. Louis
died when Celia was young, and Rebecca married a man named Zacharik, who
adopted Celia. Any background on this family would be appreciated.
--
Janet L. Lachman

My relative Motti GUBERMAN of Tel Aviv has asked me to place this search for
him.
His mother, Rachel SCHEUER, was the daughter of Max SCHEUER and Orlea
SCHWARTZ of Braila, Rumania.
Max, Orlea and Rachel came to Israel in 1950 and Rachel married Michael
GUBERMAN, also an immigrant >from Rumania. Rachel passed away in 1964 when
Mottie was six.
Max SCHEUER had 2 sisters who migrated >from Braila to Montreal in the early
years of the 20th century.
One of the two sisters was Tillie , married name unknown.
In December 1970 Tillie's daughter Renee came to Israel with her son Ben to
attend Mottie's barmitzva. Renee's older son , name unknown, was then a
medical student. Ben was about the same age as Mottie and should be 54 or 55
today
Hopefully one of our readers will recognise these names and put Mottie in
touch with Ben.

Thanks,
Jules Feldman
Yizreel, Israel
jfeldman@yizrael.org.il

I am researching the LACHMAN family. My grandfather-in-law was Rachmael
(or Erachmael) Lachman a baker who came >from Novoradomsk, Poland. He had
five sons, all bakers and probably all born at the end of the 19th century
or early in the 20th. I believe that two sons went to Israel, one (Moishe)
to the USA, and one to Australia; the last son may have stayed in Poland,
and may have had a son named Charles. Charles may have been a Holocaust
survivor, who eventually settled in Kansas in the USA. One of Rachmael's
granddaughters was Hana, whose married name is Kling and who lived in Ramat
Gan. We met them years ago and they had wonderful photos and family
information, but we have lost touch. I would like to reach her and/or her
sister if I could and if they are still living. Hana's sister, who I
believe was named Dorothy, also lived in Israel near Tel Aviv. Rachmael had
another grandson, Al Lachman, who was definitely a survivor of Auschwitz. He
married Judith, who was also a survivor, and they settled in the Chicago
area. Any background on the family would be appreciated.

-
Janet L. Lachman

I am researching the LACHMAN family. My grandfather-in-law was Rachmael
(or Erachmael) Lachman a baker who came >from Novoradomsk, Poland. He had
five sons, all bakers and probably all born at the end of the 19th century
or early in the 20th. I believe that two sons went to Israel, one (Moishe)
to the USA, and one to Australia; the last son may have stayed in Poland,
and may have had a son named Charles. Charles may have been a Holocaust
survivor, who eventually settled in Kansas in the USA. One of Rachmael's
granddaughters was Hana, whose married name is Kling and who lived in Ramat
Gan. We met them years ago and they had wonderful photos and family
information, but we have lost touch. I would like to reach her and/or her
sister if I could and if they are still living. Hana's sister, who I
believe was named Dorothy, also lived in Israel near Tel Aviv. Rachmael had
another grandson, Al Lachman, who was definitely a survivor of Auschwitz. He
married Judith, who was also a survivor, and they settled in the Chicago
area. Any background on the family would be appreciated.

-
Janet L. Lachman

I am seeking information on the Rubel family who arrived in Buenos
Aires 1910 and departed sometime after 1912, probably after the
conclusion of WW I when the returned to Vienna, either via Hamburg or
UK. The names of the family members were

Aron Rubel - father
Dorothea Dressler Rubel - mother

Children
Maximillian
Theodor
Adelheid
Adoph

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Michael Diamant
palekaiko@gmail.com

I am seeking information on the Rubel family who arrived in Buenos
Aires 1910 and departed sometime after 1912, probably after the
conclusion of WW I when the returned to Vienna, either via Hamburg or
UK. The names of the family members were

Aron Rubel - father
Dorothea Dressler Rubel - mother

Children
Maximillian
Theodor
Adelheid
Adoph

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Michael Diamant
palekaiko@gmail.com

Any guidance would be appreciated.

Azriel Zelik son of Isaac, and his wife Leah BLANK brought son Shraga
Faiwel/Menahem aka Emanuel BLANK to London in 1858 to marry a German girl
Sophia Levisson/LEVY daughter of Hirsh and Sarah.
Emanuel in his naturalization papers says was born in Warsaw.

First son Isaac b and d
!861 UK census the parents Zelik and Leah are living with Emanuel and Sophie
Celia b and in 1864 died
Hyman and then Joseph were born and lived
In 1868 Leah BLANK was born .my grandmother.
In 1870's Zelik and Israel b and d.

The death records for Zelik and Leah cannot be found despite careful and
creative searching.
Tower Hamlets are not prepared to search 1862-68 for lost/ skipped records.
Odd that both records are missing.

On yet another hunt through the Polish records 2 things emerge.
In Kremenets BLANKs and BLENKs with family first names like Joseph and a
Aizik who could fit the bill for our Aizik/Isaac by birth year.

In Miedzyrzec Podalska Siedlce Gubernia Deaths of Zelik and Leah BLANK one
after the other in 1866
A son Chyel Ber married in 1850 and children were born.

So far Beit Hatfutsot cannot find any records in the files.
Would the Mormons have something if B HaTfuzot do not. These records are
supposed to beat BH but apparently the files are empty.

Can anyone in this discussion group claim Chyel Ber BLANK or Zelik and
Leah?

Can anyone guide me about the likelihood of Zelik and Leah BLANK of
Miedzyrzec having returned >from London to this part of Poland.

Pure speculation of mine is that Celia died of TB and the grandparents went
home to die >from their TB too.

Thank you for any help

Ros Romem
Jerusalem

Any guidance would be appreciated.

Azriel Zelik son of Isaac, and his wife Leah BLANK brought son Shraga
Faiwel/Menahem aka Emanuel BLANK to London in 1858 to marry a German girl
Sophia Levisson/LEVY daughter of Hirsh and Sarah.
Emanuel in his naturalization papers says was born in Warsaw.

First son Isaac b and d
!861 UK census the parents Zelik and Leah are living with Emanuel and Sophie
Celia b and in 1864 died
Hyman and then Joseph were born and lived
In 1868 Leah BLANK was born .my grandmother.
In 1870's Zelik and Israel b and d.

The death records for Zelik and Leah cannot be found despite careful and
creative searching.
Tower Hamlets are not prepared to search 1862-68 for lost/ skipped records.
Odd that both records are missing.

On yet another hunt through the Polish records 2 things emerge.
In Kremenets BLANKs and BLENKs with family first names like Joseph and a
Aizik who could fit the bill for our Aizik/Isaac by birth year.

In Miedzyrzec Podalska Siedlce Gubernia Deaths of Zelik and Leah BLANK one
after the other in 1866
A son Chyel Ber married in 1850 and children were born.

So far Beit Hatfutsot cannot find any records in the files.
Would the Mormons have something if B HaTfuzot do not. These records are
supposed to beat BH but apparently the files are empty.

Can anyone in this discussion group claim Chyel Ber BLANK or Zelik and
Leah?

Can anyone guide me about the likelihood of Zelik and Leah BLANK of
Miedzyrzec having returned >from London to this part of Poland.

Pure speculation of mine is that Celia died of TB and the grandparents went
home to die >from their TB too.

Thank you for any help

Ros Romem
Jerusalem

On July 21,1912 my Ggrandmother Pesha Pergal and her children Boruch (my
grandfather) and Ruchel arrived aboard the Czar >from Libau to New York.
They were coming >from Rozhishche in what is today Ukrain, then Russia. The
family was detained awaiting so the manifest says Bro In Law KISHNER. I
should mention, until now we did not know of family Kirshner. On the
detention page I think I read the name of the wife of Kirshner as being
Chane. The Kirshners lived at 152 McKibbon St in Brooklyn. My family came
on to Omaha NE shortly after arrival.

Fast forward to 1935. I have found a local newspaper article stating that
Ruchel (now Ruth VANN) is entertaining for one month a Mrs. G H Kirchner
and son Carl >from Brooklyn.

I have found in the 1910 federal census Morris and Annie Kirshner living at
152 Mckibbon St with children Gussie age 12 and Joe age 10. Morris arrive
in the US in 1906 and Annie arrived in the US with the children in 1910.
After 1910 I can not find any mention of the Kirchners in a census or
naturalization. I can also not fin a G Kirshner >from Brooklyn before or
after 1935.

I am assuming that Chane Kirshner might be my ggrandmother Peshes sister but
i have no way of knowing.

Can any of you accomplished Genners help me with a further hint of who the
Kirchners are, were they came from, and where they went?

Steve PERELMAN
researcher 59775
PEREGAL >from Rozhishche and Perelman >from Omaha, NE and Denver
FUKS Frox) >from Krements and Omaha
BARATZ Krements
YOTSIS Krements
JUSTER Romania and Fargo ND
RANTZER Romania

On July 21,1912 my Ggrandmother Pesha Pergal and her children Boruch (my
grandfather) and Ruchel arrived aboard the Czar >from Libau to New York.
They were coming >from Rozhishche in what is today Ukrain, then Russia. The
family was detained awaiting so the manifest says Bro In Law KISHNER. I
should mention, until now we did not know of family Kirshner. On the
detention page I think I read the name of the wife of Kirshner as being
Chane. The Kirshners lived at 152 McKibbon St in Brooklyn. My family came
on to Omaha NE shortly after arrival.

Fast forward to 1935. I have found a local newspaper article stating that
Ruchel (now Ruth VANN) is entertaining for one month a Mrs. G H Kirchner
and son Carl >from Brooklyn.

I have found in the 1910 federal census Morris and Annie Kirshner living at
152 Mckibbon St with children Gussie age 12 and Joe age 10. Morris arrive
in the US in 1906 and Annie arrived in the US with the children in 1910.
After 1910 I can not find any mention of the Kirchners in a census or
naturalization. I can also not fin a G Kirshner >from Brooklyn before or
after 1935.

I am assuming that Chane Kirshner might be my ggrandmother Peshes sister but
i have no way of knowing.

Can any of you accomplished Genners help me with a further hint of who the
Kirchners are, were they came from, and where they went?

Steve PERELMAN
researcher 59775
PEREGAL >from Rozhishche and Perelman >from Omaha, NE and Denver
FUKS Frox) >from Krements and Omaha
BARATZ Krements
YOTSIS Krements
JUSTER Romania and Fargo ND
RANTZER Romania

Hi,
I am trying to find out something about my mother. She was in a camp at
Mittelsteine / Silesia. Does anyone know something about that
camp which belonged to the concentration camp of Gross-Rosen?

Was there a special camp for women? What happened with pregnant women (with
or without additional children), and later on with their babies ?
Was it a camp for forced labor?

Also, I need some information about a camp at Wartha / Glatz. My mother
was there after Mittelsteine.

Charlotte Stahley, Alamogordo charlotte.stahley@gmx.de

Hi,
I am trying to find out something about my mother. She was in a camp at
Mittelsteine / Silesia. Does anyone know something about that
camp which belonged to the concentration camp of Gross-Rosen?

Was there a special camp for women? What happened with pregnant women (with
or without additional children), and later on with their babies ?
Was it a camp for forced labor?

Also, I need some information about a camp at Wartha / Glatz. My mother
was there after Mittelsteine.

Charlotte Stahley, Alamogordo charlotte.stahley@gmx.de