I believe the document I would like translated, contains information as to the death of my 3 times great grandfather, Meir Praszkier. I would like a full translation of the document please, and would like to know who his widow was and her maiden name if possible.

It is on ViewMate at the following address:

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM93074

Please respond using the online ViewMate form.

Thank you very much,
Ms Terry Ashton, Australia
PRASHKER/SZUMOWSKI/WAJNGOT/WIERZBOWICZ/GOLDMAN/SEGAL-SEGALOVITCH/HOLTZ

My question could be a very general one relating to the whole Pale of Settlement at any time pre-WWI, or, if the answer depends upon specific times and places, I would specify Lithuania and Ukraine around 1900.

Here's my question: Which scenario would have been more common?

1. Relatives all live close to one another, in the same or neighboring communities (a day's walk at most from a central place).
2. Relatives scattered to distant areas or other countries, needing to journey multiple days by railroad or cart to visit each other.

I've been wondering how far I should search for relatives from a town that I know was a primary home for a family. For example, a group of my Fisher ancestors lived in Utena, Lithuania, and they all remained there until emigrating to the Americas -- all except for one son who married a woman from Anyksciai and apparently moved to that town to start their family. Those two towns are roughly 35km apart, but, as I understand it, they were connected by a railroad line and so maybe they were considered "close" at the time? Should I broaden my search radius to 40km around Utena and expect that most if not all Fisher relatives would be captured within that boundary? Or is it likely that individual family members could move 50 km away, or 75km, or to the other side of the Pale even, for marriage or work or other reasons?

If family members tended to live within, say, 40km of a primary home town like Utena, then I would focus all my energy on Fishers inside that circle, rather than needlessly broadening my search to the entire country of Lithuania for little or no gain. On the other hand, if there were no rules as to where family members might move, then I would accept that I have to search the whole country and beyond to look for the needles in a much bigger haystack.

I hope this question makes sense! Thank you in advance for your thoughts and feedback.

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Chloë Kogan
Arizona, USA
Email: 802ben@...

Researching:

• KOGAN & BERCOVICI: Romania (Iasi/Jassy), Moldova, Ukraine (Sekuryany, Akkerman)
• FISHER / FISERIS & MARGOLIS: Lithuania (Anyksciai, Kupiskis, Skapiskis, Utena)
• Many emigrated to Canada (Montreal) & the U.S. (Massachusetts)

The response is that the vital records are not available for the 1869-1874 period.

Mike Vayser

The NYC Board of Health changed the length that the vital records could be held without being transferred to the archives.  For death certificates, it is now 75 years.  For birth records, 125 years.

There is no "special" arrangement for genealogy.
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Barbara Ellman
Secaucus NJ USA
HASSMAN, SONENTHAL, DAUERMAN, LUCHS - Drohobycz, Ukraine
HIRSCHHORN, GOLDSTEIN, BUCHWALD - Dolyna, Ukraine
ELLMAN, COIRA, MAIDMAN - Minkovtsy, Ukraine
KAGLE, FASS - Ulanow, Poland

Yes there is. Look to a project on Geni that is for Krotoschin or Krotoszyn for more information. 

Dan Brockman
JewishGen member 50584
622 Shoreline Road
Barrington, IL
8473409456

I'm hoping someone can help with a translation for the Hebrew on this gravestone.

Thank you,
Laurie Sosna
San Francisco, CA

Eros


On 4/8/2021 12:41 PM, Sarah L Meyer wrote:

In the 19th century Jews married Christians either for marriage or to
protect their family from antisemitism or for economic reasons - to
get a "good" job, enter college, etc.

A granduncle born in St. Petersburg c. 1880, married an Irish girl in
Chicago around 1902.  The family was devastated.  But they were
consoled by a little bundle of joy arriving about 6 or 7 months after
the wedding.  (This was found by researchers thru Jewishgen; the
generations of my family coming after that date never knew about it.) 
  Another example: *Oscar Venceslas De Lubicz-Milosz*, 1877–1939),
French poet, mystical writer, and diplomat. Milosz, who was born in
Chereya, Belorussia to a Lithuanian nobleman and the baptized daughter
of a Warsaw Hebrew tIeacher....

In the introduction to his poetry in Lithuanian I read that his father a
Polish cavalry officer in the Russian service, rode through  a village,
and his eyes met the eyes of a beautiful Jewish maiden. He swept her off
her feet and rode off with her.  Let us not forget eros as a motivation
for intermarriage!

Jules Levin

Los Angeles

If I think anything I say may have wider usefulness, I will continue to share publicly.  I'm sure moderators can determine if I am mistaken.
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC

I am interested in getting your  help to  translate the Hebrew on these family gravestones . Ancestors  are thought to be from Lemberg, Austria emigrating to US in 1880s, buried in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Thank you,
Amelia Bartel Smythe
Tucson, Arizona

I am trying to locate relatives of a Rut (Ruth?) Sokol who lived (by her Yad Vashem testimonies) in Brooklyn NY in 1993. Rut is/was my newly discovered 2nd cousin from a part of my family whose existence I am just uncovering. Her father was Daniel Ecksztajn and grandmother Freyda Eksztajn (nee Orum), the latter my Great Aunt (who no one ever had told me about). While Damiel and Freyda apparently dies in the Holocaust, Rut apparently made it to the US and was married. And I believe she had children who are my relatives. All help appreciated.

Steve Granek
Columbia, MD USA

The only Munya I ever knew was also an Emanuel. 

Chana Bonn, Philadelphia 

Michele,
the name is listed as Yankel Efroimovich, which might mean either "Yankel son Efroim" or "Yankel Efroimovich" (as in someone's last name).  In this case, I think they didn't list his patronymic, just like record #14 - Toder Freynk (а 73 y.o., who married a 43 y.o. and gave 300 (!) rubles, as opposed to others on the same page, who only gave 42 or 84 rubles)
Shulke's father's name is Eliash.

Here is a twofer for you :)
Her brother is listed in the record above, #16 - a widower, Abram son of Eliash Ordman, but I can't make out name of his bride.  It starts with letters "RA", her father's name is Meyer.

Mike Vayser

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 11:55 AM, Cliff Karchmer wrote:

The intermarriages were not forbidden. But one of the two had to change his or her confession because there were then only religious marriages recognized by the State.

Janet Furba, Germany

In the 19th century Jews married Christians either for marriage or to protect their family from antisemitism or for economic reasons - to get a "good" job, enter college, etc.

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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com

On Jewishgen, I found the probable 1854 marriage record for the brother of my great great grandfather Aron Lak, from the town of Telsiai, Lithuania. The brother's name is Jankel Lak, son of Efroim, according to his own gravestone. From his family's Hamburg ship passenger list, his wife's name was Shula (short for Shulamit, I imagine).

The Jewishgen record is for a Jankel son of Efroim, but there is no groom's surname indexed. For the bride, she is listed as Shulke Ordman; this corresponds to a US birth record, where her maiden surname was given as Ortman. 

For the original image below on Viewmate (Record #17), I'd like a translation from the Russian to confirm there is nothing written for the groom's surname, and to confirm her surname and father's name. Anything else of note about the either person would also be of interest. For some unknown reason, the Hebrew side of the record was not filled out.

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM93101

Has anyone come across this type of situation before, where no groom's surname was given? I suspect this Jankel Lak did not have his birth recorded, so when he married, they had a problem with how to write the marriage record.
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Michele Lock

Lock/Lak/Lok and Kalon/Kolon in Zagare/Joniskis/Gruzdziai and in Plunge/Telsiai, Lithuania
Trisinsky/Trushinsky/Sturisky and Leybman in Dotnuva, Lithuania
Olitsky in Alytus, Suwalki, Poland/Lithuania
Gutman/Goodman in Czestochowa, Poland
Lavine/Lev/Lew in Trenton, New Jersey and Lida/Vilna gub., Belarus

Hi Cliff,

I found you question interesting, and while searching for some info on the subject I found this book (I have not read it.)
Confessions of the Shtetl. Converts from Judaism in Imperial Russia, 1817-1906 by Ellie R. Schainker
This site has a detailed commentary on the book, which on its own is interesting.
https://www.europenowjournal.org/2017/08/01/confessions-of-the-shtetl-converts-from-judaism-in-imperial-russia-1817-1906/

Hope this helps,

Sherri Bobish