Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation



Hello Mary Ellen,


Here lies or here is buried (Abbreviation on top)

Our dear mother

Honest and modest

Respected by all who knew her

Mrs. Hannah Frieda

Daughter of Ya’akov

Passed 13 Kislev 1913

May her soul be gathered in eternal life (abbreviation on bottom)

Shalom, Malka Chosnek


Re: Naming pattern - TURKUS #general

Rodney Eisfelder

This naming pattern (given name followed by patronym) was absolutely standard among Ashkenazi Jews before surnames were introduced.
In Eastern Europe the patronym was generally "decorated" by -ovitch or similar. In Hebrew, it was prefixed by ben or bat, but in German speaking countries the patronym was generally undecorated. Many families continued to use patronyms as middle names long after the introduction of surnames in the early 19th century. One famous example is the Orthodox Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch. While wikipedia says his father was Mendel Hirsch*, says his father was Raphael Aryeh Hirsch. So in the rabbi's name, Raphael was a patronym.

Rodney Eisfelder
Melbourne, Australia
*At least one of sources cited by wikipedia is a family tree that supports the version.

Re: Geni and Family Search #general

Martyn Woolf

The sources used by My Heritage and Geni seem generally to consist only of what can be read on their subscribers' family trees. No genuine sources but you can build a tree of 50,000 people in a week or two and claim ancestry from King Alfred, Tutankhamen or the Queen of Sheba. All a lot of  nonsense.

Re: Seeking researcher for Galati, and possibly Braila, Romania #romania


I have previously had research done for my Iancovici and Sucher families from Galati in Romania - I contacted for the research Dr. Ladislau Gyemant - he advertises in Avotaynu all of the time. Thanks.

Re: Archives of Ukraine records #ukraine


This link gives really varied and detailed information!
And you can get all the links translated into English.
Some of the information is in Polish, so readable for people searching family names etc.
(Other is in Cryllic lettering)
Should be very useful for Ukrainian researchers.
Ann Belinsky

Re: Geography mystery: Did any part of Polish Russia became German between 1880 and 1900? Specifically where? #poland #germany


My paternal grandfather (Schneider) left Chrzandow, Poland in 1914 on a Polish passport. That part of Poland had multiple border changes so he told us he was originally Austrian. Part of that area was in the Austrian Empire in the 1800s.
Barbara (Schneider) Cohen

Iasi, romania #romania #general

Alan Tapper

My wife’s grandparents were both from Iasi.  Any information would be greatly appreciated.

moshe Hochberg .  He served in the military under King Carl the first
Anna Katz came to the US in 1905

Thank you 

Alan Tapper

Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation

Yitschok Margareten

Here lies 
Our dear mother
A modest and honest woman 
Honored and respected
Beloved by all who knew her 
Mrs. Chana Fraida
daughter of Mr. Yaakov
Died with good reputation 13 Kislev 5673
May her soul be bound in the bond of everlasting life 

Re: Iasi , Romania research #romania

Ilan Leibowitz


Tried several years ago with no success! Can you possibly help me with any new research?

Thank you,

Ilan Leibowitz


Moderator Note: Please see original message below






Subject: LABOWITCH - Dorohoi, Romania
From: maya@...
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:57:49 +0200
X-Message-Number: 5

Dear Genners,

Seeking information on descendants of my great-grandfather's brother
Aizic Isaac/Yitzhak LABOWITCH.

My great-grandfather Wolf LABOWITCH from Dorohoi son of Reuven Leib, son
of Itzic was born in 1853 - mother's name Mariem - married in 1872
Rifka (Rebecca) Crashmariu.

They had several children and moved to London in the late 1800s where
they had more children, - have a full family tree.

Wolf is known to have had at least one brother called Aizic
(I am confident there were other siblings) whose wife was Rachel and
children Chaia and Nechama (there may have had more) It appears they did not
go to the UK nor remain in Dorohoi after 1900.

If your LABOWITCH (variant spellings) family tree has the above
mentioned persons please contact me privately.

Thank you for your time.

Ilan Leibowitz (Israel)

Kibbutz Afikim

litvaks #lithuania


Looking for any info on Lithuanians  MANDELMAN or COHEN, born in Plonges and went to Jerusalem around 1850.

Peter Ceteris

Re: Tombstone Translation #photographs #translation


Chana Frayda, daughter of Yaakov.

Re: ReMa- Moses ISSERLES family tree #rabbinic


Dear Mr Kaplan,
 My relative Rabbi Reuven Brim of Bnei Brak has written (in my humble opinion) an extraordinary book 'Lemalah Bakodesh' about the Ullmann family tree. The first 'famous ullmann' was Rabbi Shimon Ginzburg-Ullmann, whose son R' Eliezer married the Rema's daughter. 
I hope that helps.
I am interested in genealogy. if you have any info, I would be pleased to hear from you.
Kind Regards,
CA Ullmann

Re: Yiddish or Hebrew name for IDA #belarus #names


My mother's Jewish name was Itta. When she started school (in North Carolina, USA) her teacher wrote her name as Ida.
Shifra Stein Stahl
Jerusalem, Israel

Re: Cohanim and Levites #dna

rv Kaplan

The abbreviation Bet Resh (B'R) in Hebrew stands for Ben Reb, or 'son of Mr.'  So not sure about surnames starting with BR.  Can't think of any examples - can anyone?
Harvey Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 09:43, <rich.meyersburg@...> wrote:
I remember reading that for many Jewish names beginning with BR, the BR stands for ben Rabbi.
You would have to read up on this.
Rich Meyersburg



Re: Naming pattern - TURKUS #general

Sue Frank

My understanding is that patronymics were commonly used until about the mid 19th century among Ashkenazi Jews. However there does seem to be a difference here in that one of my ancestors was Iciek Leibkovich Rosenberg (so, son of Leib), whereas yours don’t appear to have the “kovich” suffix. Maybe this has something to do with the naming custom in the region where they originated rather than where they were living at the time. 
It’s curious, though, and not a common surname either, I don’t think. Is there any family rumour that they may have originated in more southern parts of Europe. Any DNA clues?

Sue Frank
Researching: ROSENBERG, SKOWRONEK, CHENCINER, Warsaw and Serock. 

On 24 Jun 2020, at 02:55, Elaine Farran via <> wrote:

While researching my Turkus ancestry, I noted an interesting series of names which seems odd for Ashkenazi Jews.
These are the names and their relationship to me -
5th  ggrandfather     ELIASZ Turkus
4th  ggrandfather  - DAWID ELIASZ Turkus
Dawid's son - Ahron DAVID Turkus; Dawid's daughter Szosza was my 3rd great-grandmother 
Would this repetition of names be an acceptable pattern for Ashkenazi Jews?
Many thanks
Elaine Farran


Cambridgeshire, UK


Re: Iasi , Romania research #romania

Judith Sternberg

Thank you, Teodora;
  I am looking for information about my grandfather, Abraham "Avram" Rappaport and his parents and siblings. He was born in Mihaileni, ~1888, but lived in Bacau for sometime before immigrating to Vienna Austria. He was the son of Eliezer "Leizer" and Clara Rappaport. I am interested in the birth, marriage and death records for Leizer and Clara and only the birth record for Avram because I already have his marriage and death records. I'd like to find out anything I can about the family of Leizer and Clara Rappaport. Any guidance will be much appreciated.
Judith Rapaport Sternberg
Boise, Idaho  USA

Re: Looking for information about my family from Yedenitz #bessarabia

Allison Mackler

Thanks for the guide Yefim, that's good information!

I found this post because of the mention of the name Mackler. My family is also from the area around Bessarabia and Ukraine. I have a marriage record in the US showing my 2x great-grandfather was born in Odessa, but had no other information other than they came from "Polish Russia."

It took me years to find any records for them on Jewish Gen. First I had to find their Yiddish names, which I got from their headstone when I visiting their grave a couple of years ago. Then, even though I thought I was being inexact, I was still limiting my searches too much! I finally found the marriage record of my 3x great-grandparents in Kishinev. I had been doing phonetic and sounds like searches on Mackler and Mekler, but the spelling used by the Russian officials were Meykler and similar. Their first names (Favyesh and Frima) were spelled different enough that I wouldn't have found them without going slowly through the records and reading each one. Plus, I wasn't expecting to find them in Bessarabia and was too focused on Ukraine.

So now I have found records showing they married in Kishinev, they had my 2x great-grandfather in Odessa and birth records of other children, in Kishinev, showing they were registered in Medzhybizh. I've also found a DNA cousin and her 3x great-grandfather was born in Odessa and records indicate that he was my 3x great-grandfather's brother.

I just wish there were more records for my family, there just aren't that many available for these areas and I don't know what other places they might have been.

Terry, I'd love to get in touch with you, but I see no way to contact you outside this forum.

Re: Cohanim and Levites #dna


I remember reading that for many Jewish names beginning with BR, the BR stands for ben Rabbi.
You would have to read up on this.
Rich Meyersburg

Looking for FILITS descendants (family from Raseiniai/Siluva, Lithuania) #unitedkingdom #lithuania #southafrica

Adam Turner

I am trying to track down descendants of a family that I am increasingly confident was my ggg-grandmother's (born ~1845): that of the FILITS family, which appears to have been based in Siluva around the mid-19th century.

The records in the LitvakSIG database that I've turned up suggest that least some of the males in this family moved to the larger nearby town of Raseiniai and in at least some cases, the capital of Kaunas. A few may have ended up in Vilnius. 

So far, I know relatively little about this family:

  • The number of people with this surname in the database appears to be quite small. Virtually all the records in the database I've found so far seem to be for people who can all be traced back to a single progenitor: Shlomo Filits, son of Kasriel, born ~1770 to 1775, maybe. Most of the records appear to be for people in the family of Shlomo's older son, Yosef (born ~1808).
  • In some of the records, members of this family appear to have had their surnames transcribed as FELT, FELS, or FELSH.
  • There are currently only two records for anyone in this family in the database after the year 1900.
  • Searching more broadly, there is one person in the JGFF who listed "Filits" as a surname - but that family evidently was in Zhitomir, Ukraine, not Lithuania.
  • Nobody with any of these spellings who came from Lithuania appears to be in Yad Vashem's database of Shoah victims.
  • I have looked a bit, but so far have turned up no manifests or other US immigration documents from people with this surname. Nor do there seem to be any manifests for people with this surname in the South African Jewish Rootsbank database.
  • The one immigrant I have found so far who I suspect is most likely in this family is Mamie Cohen Levinson (b. ~1873), whose record of her second marriage to a Joseph Zimmerman appears to list her mother as a Kreine Filits. (I have a fairly significant DNA match to Mamie's great-granddaughter.) Mamie's father was evidently a "Philip Cohen" - perhaps named Feivel. It appears that Mamie married her first husband Harry Levinson in the US in 1891.
So my very loose guesses are that:

1) a very high percentage of people in this family might have emigrated from Lithuania prior to 1905, and quite possibly many of them left as early as the 1880s.
2) they may have gone to other countries than the US, and wherever they went, they might have changed their surname, possibly to something radically different from "Filits".
3) perhaps some changed their surname even before immigrating.

If you know of anyone who had this surname, or came from this part of Lithuania and may have changed their surname (perhaps to "Phillips"?) I would be interested in hearing from you!

Adam Turner
San Francisco, California

Re: Finding image on LDS microfilm from index #general

Stephen Weinstein

LVIA is the archive
728/4/373 are the Fond/List/Item
F266 means the 266th Female (males and females are numbered separately)
1897 is the year recorded
28/5/1897 is the date on the Julian calendar (16/5/1897 on our calendar)
43 is the age of the person

Stephen Weinstein
Camarillo, CA, USA

17781 - 17800 of 662749