Re: Third Annual Shirley M. Barnes Records Access Award to Jan Meisels Allen #announcements #usa

Ina Getzoff

Congratulations, Jan. You work hard and the award certainly is well deserved.
Ina Getzoff
President, JGSPBCI
Delray Beach, Fla

Kibbutz Givat HaShlosha Contact Details #israel


Shalom friends, 

I have recently been sent a picture of my great grandmother by a relative. On the back (in Hebrew), it says that it was taken in Givat HaShlosha in March 1938. 

I would be grateful if someone could please provide me with the contact details of Givat HaShlosha's archives, so I can see if they have any more info on my great grandmother. I could not find anything online. 

Thank you very much. 

Best wishes, 

Yoav Aran

This week's featured collections in Miriam Weiner's new Surname Database at the Routes to Roots Foundation website ( include documents from the towns of: Mogilev Podolskiy, Belogorodka, Czestochowa and Novograd-Volynsky. #names #poland #ukraine #events #holocaust

Miriam Weiner


The Routes to Roots Foundation is offering Weekly Featured Collections from the new Surname Databases on its website at

This week, we are highlighting the following: 


1.    Mogilev Podolskiy, Ukraine and these collections: 

o    List of Jews Living in Mogilev Podolskiy, 2000                                                   463 names

o    Holocaust Victims, 1941-1944                                                                           712 names

o    Mogilev Podolskiy - Jews Who Were Children in the MP Ghetto & Can Now

  Receive Food from Shop #35 in MP, 1993                                                       304 names

o    Mogilev Podolskiy - List of Jewish Prisoners in World War II and who now

  live in Mogilev Podolskiy, 1999                                                                        170 names      

 2.    Belogorodka, Ukraine – Holocaust Victims                                                             78 names

3.   Czestochowa, Poland - Surviving Jews, c. 1945                                                     2,485 names


4.   Novogrod-Volynsky, Ukraine

                  Birth records (1866/1949)                                                                              473 names



Please check out:

·         The List of Collections for each country, click here (

·         Collection Description is accessible with each Search Result (and includes town images, document examples and more).


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Learn more at the upcoming Sunday, May 23 Zoom lecture at 1:00 p.m. ET:

"What's New at Routes to Roots Foundation? New Surname Databases, Maps, Town Images, and more!"


To register, click here:

Miriam Weiner

A Taste of Polish Jewish Genealogy on June 6th #announcements #events #poland

Leah Kushner

Santa Cruz Jewish Genealogy Society Invites you:

A Taste of Jewish Genealogy as a Gateway to the
              Civilization of Polish Jewry

with Tomasz Cebulski Ph.D., Professional Genealogist from Krakow
Sunday, 06 June 2021 at 1pm (Pacific Time Zone)/4pm Eastern

RSVP Here.
Free for members and $5 for guests. 
     $5 for Guest Click Here

You will receive a ZOOM link the week of the event. Please check your SPAM

 Tomasz Cebulski, PhD., a professional genealogist joins us from
Krakow for this program on why, when, and how to conduct genealogical
research. Tomasz will share his favorite online resources. before
demonstrating how he combines research, maps, photography, video and
drone documentation in search of Polish Jewry. We will make a virtual
visit to Brzesko in former Galicia, once a vibrant center of Jewish

Bio:  Tomasz Cebulski Ph.D., has worked professionally as a Jewish
genealogist for over 20-years perfecting his knowledge on archival
resources in Poland and Central Europe. He is a scholar in genocide
studies and changing patterns of Holocaust and Auschwitz memory.
Tomasz is a historical memory analyst, guide and author of "Auschwitz
after Auschwitz". He is the founder of Polin Travel and Sky Heritage
​Leah Kushner, President
Santa Cruz Jewish Genealogy Society

Re: Was it proper for a nephew to marry his aunt? #general


Hi Jeffrey,

Although I cannot recall any instances of an aunt marrying her nephew, I have at least two instances of an uncle marrying his niece. In one case, the youngest brother married the daughter of his older sister when she turned up 3 months pregnant. On the other hand, first cousin marriages were extraordinarily common (too many in my tree to count). I even have a couple of instances where a stepbrother married a stepsister. 

Cary Pollack
Tamarac, Florida

Re: Added by hand "MIXTE" on birth and marriage certificate in France #france #general

Mike Coleman

I hesitate to say this, but could it denote a "mixed" marriage, or "mixed" parentage?

Perhaps Sherri's suggestion could clarify this.

Mike Coleman   London  U.K.


What does the abbreviation "MZ" or "M3" mean in the Creed column of the 1897 Russian census? #translation #russia #records


Does anyone know the meaning of the abbreviation "MZ" or "M3" in the Creed column of the 1897 Russian census? The census page for my great-great-grandparents, Avrum & Rifka Volodarskiy, lists eight family members. The first four members have the notation "MZ" (or it could be M3) in the Creed column. The other four family members are listed as Jewish. I have not come across this notation in any other census records. 
Below is the link to the census file, which is for the village of Horodyshche-Pustovarovsky. My family's record is on page 123 of the pdf: 

Thank you,
Ben Zitomer

Re: Added by hand "MIXTE" on birth and marriage certificate in France #france #general

Sherri Bobish


Are you able to look at similar documents from the same time frame in the archive which holds these?  If "mixte" is found on other pages than you may be able to see a pattern.


Sherri Bobish

Descendants of R" Yisrael ROSENBAUM of Ostrov 19th cent. #israel #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari

There was (were) a R' Yisrael ROSENBAUM of Ostrow, who was a follower
of R' Yehoshua Heschel of Apta. I write (were) as the book "Mazkeret
Legedolei Ostrov mentions two people of the same name but writes that
they may have been the same person. According to our family records,
Yisrael's son Yosef married a daughter of one of the admo"rs of

My ancestor (the above Yisrael) came to Eretz Yisrael (Tzfat and/or
Tveria) during the first half of the 19th cent. His children stayed in
Europe. His son's, David (who had changed his name to SCHECHTER), son
Yacov Gedalia SCHECHTER came to Israel in the latter years of that
century to "check up" on his grandfather. Yacov Gedalia stayed in
Israel (I am his great grandson).

I have in my family tree all the descendants of Yacov Gedalia and a
few of his sibling but would be happy to be contacted by other
branches of Yisrael ROSENBAUM's children.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Jerusalem

Re: Headstone transcription #translation

Yitschok Margareten

Here lies 
Mordechai Dov 
son of Yeruchem Fishel 
Fishel'e Chosed
son Motil Fishel 
Died 16 Adar-I 5722
May his soul be bound in the bond of everlasting life 

Here lies 
My wife and our dear mother Mrs. 
Chaya Shpritze daughter of Yosef 
27 Elul 5685
May her soul be bound in the bond of everlasting life 
Yitschok Margareten

Re: Third Annual Shirley M. Barnes Records Access Award to Jan Meisels Allen #announcements #usa


Congratulations to Jan. Well deserved,
Jerrold Landau
Toronto, Canada

added by hand mixte #records

Michael Greenfield

re: added by hand 'mixte'

I am also not an expert on these matters, but I think that the notation
'mixte' may refer to other contexts. 'Reconstitution des actes de l'état
civil' implies that the original document(s) were lost and that the parties
were demanding a replacement. That replacement would have required a
tribunal decision(s), and there may have been two tribunes ; e.g. B and P.
I have not seen actes de mariage - civil documents - from the 19th century, or 20th century
for that matter, indicating the religion of the partners.

Michael D. Greenfield

Research Professor
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
University of Kansas

Chercheur Associé / Professeur Invité
Equipe Neuro-Ethologie Sensorielle, ENES/Neuro-PSI,
CNRS UMR 9197, Université de Lyon/Saint-Etienne,
42023 Saint Etienne, France


Re: Was it proper for a nephew to marry his aunt? #general

Irene Newhouse

In my family in the early 20th century, a widower married a much younger 2nd wife. After she was widowed, she and one of her late husband's nephews fell in love & married in a civil ceremony. The family was shocked because in their understanding it violated religious law & disowned them. They were not aunt & nephew in the sense of 'father's sister' or 'mother's sister'; if there were common ancestors, it was before any family memories.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI USA

Re: Added by hand "MIXTE" on birth and marriage certificate in France #france #general


Hello Gil
I am not a specialist but I do not think it has anything to do with the nazis. The naturalization files were scanned from 1927 onwards and special denaturalization committee was set up by the french administration (few people were effectively denaturalized) but the notion of going as far as 1850 seems more than adventurous to me ! Plus religion nor race was never mentioned in France !  But of course somebody could prove me wrong !!
Best regards
Catherine JUROVSKY

News from the Mayor of Orla, Poland #poland

Eli Rabinowitz

News from Marek Chmielewski, Mayor of Orla, Poland
Includes video:
A Tale of the Living World - Commemoration of Jewish Poland:
More for more info, visit the KehilaLink
Eli Rabinowitz
Perth Australia

Added by hand "MIXTE" on birth and marriage certificate in France #france #general


I have a marriage certificate of one of my ancester. My -g-g-g-mother was jewish and my g-g-g-father was not
I added the picture where you can see that someone wrote by hand (maybe in color) the word "MIXTE"
I can see this word "MIXTE" on 2 of their children birth certificate
My first idea is that during France\Paris occupation the nazis or their collaborateurs searched in the historical "etat civil" documents names of Jews to search for them 
But as there is no date with this addition - I cannot be sure
Does someone know about this? or know how to check the reason for this addition?
Thanks in advance
Gil Yoktan   Kibbutz Yehiam  Israel

Re: Was it proper for a nephew to marry his aunt? #general

Ellen Slotoroff Zyroff

Nephew and aunt marriage is a clear Torah prohibition.

Leviticus 18: 11-13
עֶרְוַת אֲחוֹת־אָבִיךָ לֹא תְגַלֵּה שְׁאֵר אָבִיךָ הִוא׃ (ס)
Do not uncover the nakedness of your father’s sister; she is your father’s flesh.
עֶרְוַת אֲחוֹת־אִמְּךָ לֹא תְגַלֵּה כִּי־שְׁאֵר אִמְּךָ הִוא׃ (ס)
Do not uncover the nakedness of your mother’s sister; for she is your mother’s flesh.

Here's a summary with footnote links about forbidden sexual relationships in Judaism.

This additional article, which talks about prohibited vs allowed relationships, includes mention of the irony of Karaite Jews, who say they reject oral law, but have made their own oral law.

Ellen Zyroff
On Monday, May 17, 2021, 07:23:16 PM PDT, Jeffrey Herrmann <jeffrey.herrmann@...> wrote:
My fourth great grandfather, Michel Herschel, (b. abt 1770) married his father’s sister, Rane Herschel, (b. abt 1755) in Hamburg. She was only four years younger than Michel’s father, Meyer Wolff Herschel. Michel and Rane had several children, at least two of whom were healthy enough to live to reasonably old age. Their youngest may have been born as early as 1786, although this date is uncertain.

Was a marriage between a nephew and an aunt permissible? Was it common?

Jeffrey Herrmann
New Rochelle, NY
Researching HERSCHELs of Hamburg, WOLFFs of Halle an der Saale.

ZOLOTOROV (Chernigov, Ukraine; Kiev, Ukraine); SLOTOROFF (Kiev, Ukraine); CHARKOVSKY or SHARKOVSKY(Ukraine); LEVINE (Ukraine and Minsk, Belarus);
GLUSKIN (Ukraine); LIMON (Berestechko, Volynia, Ukraine); TESLER (Horochiv, Volynia, Ukraine); ZYRO (Zabolativ, Ukraine) ; TAU (Zalolativ, Ukraine)
PISTERMAN (Ukraine); ROTH / ROT (Ataki, Bessarabia, Moldova); BLAUSTEIN (Chernigov, Ukraine or Minsk, Belarus)

Re: Hebrew translation on headstone #translation


You did not ask for a translation of the stone on the right.  However, since someone did translate it, I want to add the fact that Hillel's name is preceded by an abbreviation for the phrase "our teacher, the rabbi".  This indicates that he had rabbinic ordination, not necessarily that he was the rabbi of a congregation.
Fredel Fruhman
Brooklyn, New York, USA

Mendl Vaysman from Zinkov Memorial Book #ukraine

Meryl Goldberg

I just received my copy of the Zinkov Memorial Book.  It in I found reference to a Mendl Vaysman who immigrated to Israel in 1922 and died there in 1956.  I'm trying to find any living relatives he might have.  My GGrandfather was Mendel Weisman who was originally from Zinkov but lived and worked in Proskurov.  He married my GGrandmother Mirka Ehrlichman (his 3rd wife) who was an orphan from Zinkov.  They emigrated with their 7 children to the US in 1912.  Mendel's parents were Moshe Vaisman and Sara Litsinger.  Thanks for any information you can give me.

Meryl Goldberg
Cave Creek, AZ

Re: Was it proper for a nephew to marry his aunt? #general

Another interesting aspect of these marriages of an uncle to a niece is that they are illegal in most states.  My grandfather married my grandmother, his half niece, in 1919 in Providence, Rhode Island despite residing in the Bronx because there was and still is an exception in Rhode Island law for "any marriage which shall be solemized among the Jewish people within the degrees of affinity or cosanguinity allowed by their religion."
Karen Silver
New Jersey