Re: Replying in private - no need to publish your email #guidelines

Mike Coleman

From personal experience, whether a public reply is deemed too personal to be of general interest, and is hence rejected, is entirely at the whim of the duty moderator.

Likewise the oft-seen direction mandating a personal response.

Mike Coleman   (London  U.K.)

Nineteenth century Polish vital record dates -- Julian or Gregorian calendars? #general

Dubin, David M. MD

Hi all,

Are dates in 19th century Polish vital records always the Gregorian dates? I have some records that record both Julian and Gregorian dates, but when only one date is mentioned which is meant? Specifically I’m looking at three areas in Poland:

Szrensk (1839)/ Prasnysz (1811, before Napoleon’s retreat, 1866-1877)/ Mlawa (1877) all about 35 miles north of Warsaw;

Pinczow (1822-30) about 40 miles south of Kielce ; and

Wojslawice (1849-67)/ Wohyn (1855-61)/ Miedzyrzec Podlaski (1862) near Lublin.

Poland, being a Catholic country likely went Gregorian early, but after 1795 when Poland was partitioned, and after Russia (which did not transition until after the 1917 revolution) suppressed the Polish uprising in 1864, did the Russian authorities impose Julian dates? And if so, is that true only in the records which contain both dates?

What I mean to ask is “can I assume that any date in a vital record is Gregorian unless both dates are listed?”

Sorry for the verbosity.


David Dubin, MD

Teaneck,  New Jersey


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Are "Muni" and "Munya" nicknames? For what name? #names

Susan J. Gordon

"Muni" or "Munya" are the first names for someone (a lawyer) from Skalat. The last name is Lempert or Lampert - which are my family names. They are written in the Skalat Memorial Book, which was published recently, by JewishGen. 

Are "Muni" and "Munya" nicknames? For what name? 

Susan Gordon

Koschmin, Posen, Prussia, Germany-Is there a group or site that specializes in this town? #germany #poland


I am looking for a group, organization, Facebook group or whatever whose primary interest is what was pre WW I Koschmin, Posen, Prussia, Germany. Now known as Kos(z)min, Krotosyn, Greater Poland. My interest is in the surname LAPSAP. My family immigrated from there in 1856 using the surname LAPSAK on Hamburg manifest and LAPSER(K) on the NYC arrival manifest. By 1860 NYC census had changed surname to LEVY. I want to learn more about the town and expand on what I already know about my family. Additional details upon request.

David Brener, Lancaster, PA

Looking for Meyers family of St. Louis #usa #photographs

Erika Gottfried

I’m looking for descendants or relatives of a Meyers family of St. Louis, for possible repatriation of a group of family photographs I was given by a cousin.  Although none of the photographs have names or dates, I’ve come to believe that most of them are not from my own family, the Grossbergs of St. Louis, but from that of one of my great-aunts by marriage, Doreen Grossberg (later Broudy), born Doreen Meyers, also of St. Louis.  It appears that Doreen (1898 - 1970) was born to a John Meyers and Sarah (Greenberg) Meyers in St. Louis and had two much-younger sisters, Beatrice and Josephine. The ca. dozen and half images--all formal portraits or formal group photos--seem to range from as early as the 1870s and stretch into the 1880s or ‘90s, and a number of them do bear stamps of St. Louis photo studios.  

Please get in touch with me if you're one of those Meyers descendants or relatives, or know where or how I can find same.  The photos are quite striking and 
I’d love to send them “home.” 
Erika Gottfried
Teaneck, New Jersey

Yad Vashem Opens Online Exhibit Commemorating 80 Years Since the Beginning of the Holocaust #announcements #holocaust

Jan Meisels Allen


Yad Vashem opened a new online exhibit entitled “The Onset of Mass Murder – The Fate of Jewish Families in 1941”. The exhibit highlights the stories of 12 Jewish families who were caught in the fury of the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in Operation Barbarossa in June 1941.  The new exhibition tells the stories of Jewish families in the wake of Operation Barbarossa and their ultimate fate in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Eastern Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Romania and Yugoslavia.  To see the exhibit go to:

The exhibit is free although Yad Vashem would appreciate a donation to support the Museum.


Following this invasion, mass shootings committed by the Einsatzgruppen, other German soldiers and police forces and local collaborators began across Eastern Europe and continued into 1943, during which some 1.5 million Jews were murdered.


Personal letters, works of art, photographs, documents, testimonies and Pages of Testimony submitted to Yad Vashem are used in the 12 entries to portray the families who lived through these times and describe what happened to them.


“Operation Barbarossa was a significant turning point,” Yona Kobo the exhibitions coordinator at Yad Vashem said. “Until then, the anti-Jewish steps were mostly putting Jews into ghettos and concentration camps, but the invasion brought about first mass murder and then deportation to concentration camps. They murdered first men and then soon all the women, children and babies. We wanted to give these 1.5 million a name, a face and a story to personalize what happened to them.”


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee



Re: Birth record from The Netherlands #records


Dutch is my 2nd language, so, if you need a translator, please contact me:  Henny M. Roth in Los Angeles, CA - (310) 289-8713 - or <hennynow@...>.


Re: Vienna Austria genealogist #austria-czech

Corinna Woehrl (nee Goslar)

Hello Lynn,

I would first try searching the Database of Familia Austria via
Good luck and kind regards from Germany

Corinna Woehrl, née Goslar, Hoisdorf near Hamburg

Why Did Jews Marry Christians? #general

Cliff Karchmer

Hello.  A colleague with a Jewish ancestor told me she heard that her Jewish grandmother from Lvov married a Christian (Russian Orthodox) to preserve wealthy family assets.  Could that have been a legitimate reason for intermarriage in the 19th century?  If so, what were the advantages that could compel a Jew to protect assets in such an extreme way?  thanks for your advice. Feel free to reply to me directly:  ckarchmer@...
Cliff Karchmer

JewishGen Talks: What You Need to Know About Jewish Given Names #JewishGenUpdates

Avraham Groll

We invite you to attend the next presentation in our series of JewishGen Talks webinars:
What Jewish Genealogists Need to Know about Jewish Given Names
Speaker: Dr. Sallyann Amdur Sack 
Tuesday, April 13, 2021 @ 2:00 PM Eastern Time
Registration is free with a suggested donation.
About the Talk
All genealogy research starts with names. Though that statement seems simple enough, in the world of our ancestors, names and the issues governing them, could be quite complex. Among other topics, this talk will cover how Jews got their names, what names were chosen, amuletic names, diminutives and spelling, and what happened to names after emigration from Eastern and Central Europe. A case study will demonstrate how understanding all of the above demolished a long-standing brick wall and carried the Amdur family tree back to the early 1700s.
About the Speaker
Founding chair of the International Institute for Jewish Genealogy; past president of IAJGS and recipient of its Lifetime Achievement Award; editor and co-owner of AVOTAYNU the International Review of Jewish Genealogy; founder of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington, author or co-author of seven genealogy books; chair or co-chair of seven IAJGS conferences.
Registration is free with a suggested donation.
Please click here to register now! After registering, you will receive a confirmation email about how to join the webinar.
Please click here

Re: Does DNA prove that Jews are a race? #dna

Erika Gottfried

"By Jewish law, tradition and practice, a Jew is a Jew is a Jew, whether their nearer relations lived in Ethiopia or China or Brooklyn or Aleppo.  We are all one people (Yes, there are distinctions, divisions, biases and social advantages / disadvantages within the Jewish world but for our purposes I'm just addressing whether someone is or isn't a Jew.) “  
Like everything else in this extended discussion, this is more slippery and less simple than it seems.  Who decides what is Jewish law, tradition and practice? The complexity of this question is well-illustrated by some of the problems encountered by Ethiopian immigrants to Israel, who certainly saw themselves as Jews, but whose claims to this identity were rejected by state religious authorities in many cases.   A good examination of this particular story (as well as a pretty wrenching personal narrative) is a documentary called “400 Miles” ( ).
Erika Gottfried
Teaneck, New Jersey

Yom Hashoah Global Commemoration #education #announcements

Eli Rabinowitz


Yom HaShoah 2021 Global Commemoration

7 April 2021
The WE ARE HERE! Foundation and our partners HAMEC are proud to present a live streamed event for Yom HaShoah.
The “Yom HaShoah Global Commemoration,” features students and educators from nine schools in six countries - US, South Africa, Australia, Moldova, Bulgaria and Russia. 
Holocaust survivors presenting testimony of experiences include Miriam Lichterman and HAMEC speakers Daniel Goldsmith and Ruth Hartz.
Students present their perspectives of what this legacy means to them!
We present the brand new recording of Zog Nit Keynmol in Yiddish from Sholem Aleichem College of Melbourne, Australia.
Special thanks to:
Jewish Partisans’ Educational Foundation, San Francisco, USA
World ORT, London, USA
The event will be available on YouTube from Thursday, April 8th at 11pm AEST, 9pm WST, 2pm in London, 9am EDT, and 6am PST.
Maximise video to Full Screen.
No pre registration is required.
Updated news of our Global Yom HaShoah program can also be found on our WE ARE HERE! Foundation website:
Sholem Aleichem College's new Yiddish version:
Thank you and regards
Eli Rabinowitz
CEO WE ARE HERE! Foundation
e. eli@...

Re: pronounciation of name #names #poland


Sheryl:  J is pronounced as Y,  and W is pronounced as V. 
This is on

Pronunciation Guide

c = ts
ch,h = kh
ć,cz,ci = ch
ś,sz,si = sh
ż,zi,rz = zh
ą = om, on
ę = em, en
j = y
dz = j
ł = w
w = v

David Rosen
Boston MA

On 4/7/2021 8:35 AM, Sheryl Prenzlau wrote:

How would one pronounce Wajsman from old Polish records? Waxman or Weissman? 
Sheryl Prenzlau

Re: Does DNA prove that Jews are a race? #dna

Sarah L Meyer

Even taking into consideration the fact that we are not a definable subspecies biologically - and neither are Blacks or Latino/as or Asians - a much kinder term than race, the DNA can't bring into consideration conversion INTO Judaism and the halachic considerations.   So we have a AJ mother who marries a Jewish man who went through an Orthodox conversion (or vice-versa), their children are fully Jewish halachically but DNA will show only 50% AJ.   Furthermore some of us are Sephardic or Mizrachi- but many of us do have some evidence in our DNA of something other than AJ.   We are an ethnic minority - and while I answer caucasian for race, I do put Jewish for ethnicity.

Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania

Re: Genealogy in Belgium #general


If you use I see many Bochner names all listed in the Antwerp Foreign Register, born in Poland. Just click on the first name listed and then go through all the rest using the "Next Result" button. There are several Chaim (possibly Herman), and one Hermann death record listed (died in France). 

Deborah Shindell
Trumbull, CT
researching: Beserglik, Lederhendler, Goldberg (all in Poland) and Szmukler (Ukraine)

Re: pronounciation of name #names #poland

Odeda Zlotnick

Odeda Zlotnick
Jerusalem, Israel.

Vienna Austria genealogist #austria-czech

Lynn Weisberg

-- Does anyone know a genealogist in Vienna, Austria?
I am searching for members of the Morgenstern and Zeiger family
Lynn Weisberg
Baltimore, Maryland

Re: Birth record from The Netherlands #records


Neilan, on the website that Ron Peeters mentioned, it is stated that Birth records will only be added after 100 years. I could not find it yet. On this website (sorry, in Dutch) you can ask for a copy of the not yet published certificate.    ]

You are looking for a Geboorteakte.

However, it is also possible that she is not registered at all, because she was born on a ship in transit. I mean, are you sure that somebody bothered to go to the Town Hall and register the baby? Good luck, Sylvia Stawski


Re: Copying Hebrew text from a PDF into a Translation tool - OCR (Optical Character Recognition) Help Request #general


Hi All,
Another  solution: Open the PDF in Adobe Acrobat Reader (a free program) and under the "File" menu - "save as text"
Meir Razy
Kisfajn / Sfard / Rothenberg / Ruttenberg / Rojtenberg in Rovno,Volhynia
Ross in Dubno,Volhynia

Re: Tomorrow's Forum for Dialogue Zoom: Krakow Holocaust Survivor Tells Her Story #announcements #holocaust

Mark Halpern

All those who were part of the Forum's program yesterday should have received a follow up email with links to many sites of interest to Janet Applefield's story. The part of that email is reproduced below. 

Mark Halpern

For those of you who would like to read more about Janet Applefield's history, you can consult Janet's personal website and her biography on Facing History and Ourselves webpage. The most recent chapter in Janet's relationship with Poland is described in the article in the Boston Globe: her meeting with Karolina Panz, a scholar and activist from Nowy Targ, and Janet's visits to Poland. Karolina published an academic paper on the issue of post-war anti-Jewish violence in Podhale region that Janet and other survivors were exposed to. You can also refer to Lena Kuchler-Silberman's book My Hundred Children describing her role in taking care of Jewish orphans after the Second World War. 

On 2021-04-07 8:01 am, tony allan wrote:

Fascinating talk but does anyone know the book that was mentioned.
Tony Allan