Date   

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania New Landsmen Issue #lithuania

Allen Avner
 

On behalf of the Suwalk-Lomza SIG, we are pleased to announce that Vol.
21, Nos. 3-4 of Landsmen is now at the printers. The books will be
mailed out during the next two days.

The Editor, Marlene Silverman, thanks all of our SIG members for their
patience in waiting for this delayed issue, and hopes the great
majority of you will find something in it of value to your research.

Allen Avner

MODERATOR'S NOTE: More information about Landsmen may be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/SuwalkLomza/


New Landsmen Issue #lithuania

Allen Avner
 

On behalf of the Suwalk-Lomza SIG, we are pleased to announce that Vol.
21, Nos. 3-4 of Landsmen is now at the printers. The books will be
mailed out during the next two days.

The Editor, Marlene Silverman, thanks all of our SIG members for their
patience in waiting for this delayed issue, and hopes the great
majority of you will find something in it of value to your research.

Allen Avner

MODERATOR'S NOTE: More information about Landsmen may be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/SuwalkLomza/


#Ciechanow #Poland ZYLBER of Ciechanow #ciechanow #poland

Steven Bloom
 

Harvey-

JRI-Poland lists dozens of ZYLBER/SILBER records, some going back to
the 1830's (I see one death record >from that time. If its for an
older man, then your family could be traced well back into the 1700's).

If you haven't used this resource yet, you will want to try.

Also, don't limit yourself to Ciechanow. Many families moved around a
lot in that era, due to marriages, search for work, etc.

My own families >from Ciechanow were ANTKES, SZTERDYNER ,
BURSZTEJN and they married into the LAKRYC, ROTSZTEJN, MAKOWSKI and
other families of the region.


1. Ciechanow

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Ciechanow
From: H SILVER <h.silver1@...>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:07:27 +0000 (GMT)
X-Message-Number: 1

Hello all,

I am researching my paternal grandfathers family and have traced
them back to Ciechanow.

My family name is SILVER/SILBER/ZYLBER. Moishe/Morris,[my gfather],
came to England in 1901. His brother, Noson/Nathan went to USA via
Canada in 1900. My ggparents, Yitzchok & Golda had a small apple
orchard. I have no information of uncles, aunts or cousins etc.

My name is Harvey Silver. I live in Bedfordshire, England.



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ZYLBER of Ciechanow #ciechanow #poland

Steven Bloom
 

Harvey-

JRI-Poland lists dozens of ZYLBER/SILBER records, some going back to
the 1830's (I see one death record >from that time. If its for an
older man, then your family could be traced well back into the 1700's).

If you haven't used this resource yet, you will want to try.

Also, don't limit yourself to Ciechanow. Many families moved around a
lot in that era, due to marriages, search for work, etc.

My own families >from Ciechanow were ANTKES, SZTERDYNER ,
BURSZTEJN and they married into the LAKRYC, ROTSZTEJN, MAKOWSKI and
other families of the region.


1. Ciechanow

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Ciechanow
From: H SILVER <h.silver1@...>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:07:27 +0000 (GMT)
X-Message-Number: 1

Hello all,

I am researching my paternal grandfathers family and have traced
them back to Ciechanow.

My family name is SILVER/SILBER/ZYLBER. Moishe/Morris,[my gfather],
came to England in 1901. His brother, Noson/Nathan went to USA via
Canada in 1900. My ggparents, Yitzchok & Golda had a small apple
orchard. I have no information of uncles, aunts or cousins etc.

My name is Harvey Silver. I live in Bedfordshire, England.



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#Ciechanow #Poland Re: Ciechanow #ciechanow #poland

stephenandbrenda.soskin@...
 

Dear Harvey,

Although my father and his family came >from Ciechanow, their name was
Goldstein (Goldszein/Goljtein), so I can't help you on this occasion. I
hope you have more luck >from other members of the Ciechanow group. I have
visited Ciechanow and there are many family records in the Town Hall - staff
are very willing to help personal callers but you would need someone to help
with the language. If you decide to visit Poland and want information
about a Jewish/Polish organisation based in Warsaw who help visitors in this
regard, please let me know.

Best wishes, Brenda Soskin (I live in Essex!!)

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From: "H SILVER" <h.silver1@...>
To: "Ciechanow Research Group" <ciechanow@...>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:07 PM
Subject: Ciechanow


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Hello all,

I am researching my paternal grandfathers family and have traced them back
to Ciechanow.

My family name is SILVER/SILBER/ZYLBER. Moishe/Morris,[my gfather], came to
England in 1901. His brother, Noson/Nathan went to USA via Canada in 1900.
My ggparents, Yitzchok & Golda had a small apple orchard. I have no
information of uncles, aunts or cousins etc.

My name is Harvey Silver. I live in Bedfordshire, England.

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Re: Ciechanow #ciechanow #poland

stephenandbrenda.soskin@...
 

Dear Harvey,

Although my father and his family came >from Ciechanow, their name was
Goldstein (Goldszein/Goljtein), so I can't help you on this occasion. I
hope you have more luck >from other members of the Ciechanow group. I have
visited Ciechanow and there are many family records in the Town Hall - staff
are very willing to help personal callers but you would need someone to help
with the language. If you decide to visit Poland and want information
about a Jewish/Polish organisation based in Warsaw who help visitors in this
regard, please let me know.

Best wishes, Brenda Soskin (I live in Essex!!)

----- Original Message -----
From: "H SILVER" <h.silver1@...>
To: "Ciechanow Research Group" <ciechanow@...>
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:07 PM
Subject: Ciechanow


This list is supported by JewishGen
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hello all,

I am researching my paternal grandfathers family and have traced them back
to Ciechanow.

My family name is SILVER/SILBER/ZYLBER. Moishe/Morris,[my gfather], came to
England in 1901. His brother, Noson/Nathan went to USA via Canada in 1900.
My ggparents, Yitzchok & Golda had a small apple orchard. I have no
information of uncles, aunts or cousins etc.

My name is Harvey Silver. I live in Bedfordshire, England.

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Reminder to all Discussion Group Members #bessarabia

Alan Levitt
 

Hi,

For those of you who have not yet responded to our survey to assess
your response regarding how our SIG and Discussion Group can better serve
your interests and information gathering needs, the last opportunity to respond
is this week.    Below is the link to a brief survey, along with the original note I sent
accompanying it (for those of you who have joined since it was sent).

http://tinyurl.com/7ojlpuu

Please take a few minutes to indicate what is important to you.  You
don't have to fill out every question or even give your name.

Thanks,

Alan Levitt
Bessarabia SIG Discussion Group Moderator
-----

DEAR BESSARABIA RESEARCHER:

Our new Bessarabia SIG Discussion Group is off to a good start and in
our first few weeks over 200 members >from at least 11 countries have
already participated in hundreds of exchanges.

While our neighbor ROM-SIG will continue work on a project it began
years ago ? the Bessarabia Vital Records project, a transliteration of
existing Birth, Death, and Marriage records >from Kishinev and several
other towns - our Bessarabia SIG has begun a number of new projects:
Bessarabia Revision Lists (37,000 records have already been
translated), a Business directory, Geographical Dictionary, cemetery
grave photographing, along with providing lots of other informational
resources (see our website for an overview of what's going on).

But before we get too far down the road, we want to take this
opportunity to assess your personal interests and needs that can be
addressed in our planning of future priorities and activities. We also
want to know how we can provide better support for your own research
and information gathering. Are you interested in historic photographs?
Maps? Other databases? Conference calls or webinars? Responses to the
survey below will be useful to us. You also may offer additional
suggestions and comments at the end of the survey.

We are fortunate that Yefim Kogan, the head of our SIG, lived in
Kishinev for 17 years and another 19 in Moscow. He?s traveled
extensively, visiting relatives and vacationing in many of the towns
and cities in what was Bessarabia. Yefim is fluent in Russian, studied
Romanian in school, and his first language was Yiddish. So, his
familiarity with the geography and languages, along with his knowledge
of the history and culture of the region, may help the Bessarabia SIG
- in understanding the historical and cultural perspectives of the
area, in retrieving information >from archives and organizations, and
in advancing projects that generate new learning that may be helpful
in our personal genealogical research. Please take a few minutes to
respond.

(Note: Part of this survey is based on questionnaires developed by the
Ukraine and ROM SIGs.)

Thanks,

Alan Levitt
Bessarabia SIG Discussion Group Moderator


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Reminder to all Discussion Group Members #bessarabia

Alan Levitt
 

Hi,

For those of you who have not yet responded to our survey to assess
your response regarding how our SIG and Discussion Group can better serve
your interests and information gathering needs, the last opportunity to respond
is this week.    Below is the link to a brief survey, along with the original note I sent
accompanying it (for those of you who have joined since it was sent).

http://tinyurl.com/7ojlpuu

Please take a few minutes to indicate what is important to you.  You
don't have to fill out every question or even give your name.

Thanks,

Alan Levitt
Bessarabia SIG Discussion Group Moderator
-----

DEAR BESSARABIA RESEARCHER:

Our new Bessarabia SIG Discussion Group is off to a good start and in
our first few weeks over 200 members >from at least 11 countries have
already participated in hundreds of exchanges.

While our neighbor ROM-SIG will continue work on a project it began
years ago ? the Bessarabia Vital Records project, a transliteration of
existing Birth, Death, and Marriage records >from Kishinev and several
other towns - our Bessarabia SIG has begun a number of new projects:
Bessarabia Revision Lists (37,000 records have already been
translated), a Business directory, Geographical Dictionary, cemetery
grave photographing, along with providing lots of other informational
resources (see our website for an overview of what's going on).

But before we get too far down the road, we want to take this
opportunity to assess your personal interests and needs that can be
addressed in our planning of future priorities and activities. We also
want to know how we can provide better support for your own research
and information gathering. Are you interested in historic photographs?
Maps? Other databases? Conference calls or webinars? Responses to the
survey below will be useful to us. You also may offer additional
suggestions and comments at the end of the survey.

We are fortunate that Yefim Kogan, the head of our SIG, lived in
Kishinev for 17 years and another 19 in Moscow. He?s traveled
extensively, visiting relatives and vacationing in many of the towns
and cities in what was Bessarabia. Yefim is fluent in Russian, studied
Romanian in school, and his first language was Yiddish. So, his
familiarity with the geography and languages, along with his knowledge
of the history and culture of the region, may help the Bessarabia SIG
- in understanding the historical and cultural perspectives of the
area, in retrieving information >from archives and organizations, and
in advancing projects that generate new learning that may be helpful
in our personal genealogical research. Please take a few minutes to
respond.

(Note: Part of this survey is based on questionnaires developed by the
Ukraine and ROM SIGs.)

Thanks,

Alan Levitt
Bessarabia SIG Discussion Group Moderator


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Censuses - Podolia gubernia #ukraine

rondoctor@...
 

Khotyn is currently in Ukraine, but before WW1 it was in Bessarabia. You
should post your message on the Bessarabia Discussion List and contact
Yefim Kogan (yefimk@...), Coordinator of Bessarabia SIG. He may
have more information for you.

Ron

Ron Doctor (rddpdx@...)
Coordinator, JewishGen Ukraine SIG
www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine
where Jewish genealogy is personal

Researching DOCTOR (DIOKHTER), VARER, AVERBAKH, KORENFELD ... all >from Kremenets, Oleksinets, Yampol, Vishnevets
and KAZDOY (KOSODOY), DUBINSKI, DUBOWSKY ... all >from Kiev, Uman, Odessa

On 26-Feb-12 11:30 PM, Myra & Peter Waddell wrote:
I read in our new website that there were censuses held in the Podolia
gubernia and wondered whether any of these are available online. I'm
particularly interested in the 1888 as my maternal grandfather, Henoch
Ojyzner/Uzner, born in Khotyn, would have been fifteen years old at that
time and his brother, Yossel, 8 years old. I don't know how old their
other brother, Yankel would have been, nor do I know whether there were
any other children born to Fradl/Freydel) and Yisroel Moische (known as
Moische/Morris) Uzner. Of course, I'd be interested in ''any'' documents
where ''any'' of their names appeared!!

In a book by Alexander Beider – A Dictionary of Jewish surnames From
The Russian Empire - I looked up Osner and discovered that the name Ojzner
was described as an occupational surname (maybe >from Hausner -
proprietor of the house) and that one of the names derived >from that was
Uzner.The /only/ place, >from which this surname comes, is Khotin.

My maternal grandmother, Ester (Rivka or Benita) Borziansky was born in
Kamenets-Podolskiy in 1878 to Chaim Fischel Borziansky and mother-
unknown. She and my grandfather married in Vinnitsa in August, 1897.

I look forward to receiving any help with clues as to how I might
discover more about these ancestors. I haven't done too badly so far as,
when I started my research, I only knew the given names of three of my
grandparents and had no idea where they were born nor the names of their
parents or siblings.
With thanks in advance,
Myra Waddell.
(born in London and now living in Adelaide, South Australia)


Re: Censuses - Podolia gubernia #bessarabia

rondoctor@...
 

Khotyn is currently in Ukraine, but before WW1 it was in Bessarabia. You
should post your message on the Bessarabia Discussion List and contact
Yefim Kogan (yefimk@...), Coordinator of Bessarabia SIG. He may
have more information for you.

Ron

Ron Doctor (rddpdx@...)
Coordinator, JewishGen Ukraine SIG
www.jewishgen.org/Ukraine
where Jewish genealogy is personal

Researching DOCTOR (DIOKHTER), VARER, AVERBAKH, KORENFELD ... all >from Kremenets, Oleksinets, Yampol, Vishnevets
and KAZDOY (KOSODOY), DUBINSKI, DUBOWSKY ... all >from Kiev, Uman, Odessa

On 26-Feb-12 11:30 PM, Myra & Peter Waddell wrote:
I read in our new website that there were censuses held in the Podolia
gubernia and wondered whether any of these are available online. I'm
particularly interested in the 1888 as my maternal grandfather, Henoch
Ojyzner/Uzner, born in Khotyn, would have been fifteen years old at that
time and his brother, Yossel, 8 years old. I don't know how old their
other brother, Yankel would have been, nor do I know whether there were
any other children born to Fradl/Freydel) and Yisroel Moische (known as
Moische/Morris) Uzner. Of course, I'd be interested in ''any'' documents
where ''any'' of their names appeared!!

In a book by Alexander Beider – A Dictionary of Jewish surnames From
The Russian Empire - I looked up Osner and discovered that the name Ojzner
was described as an occupational surname (maybe >from Hausner -
proprietor of the house) and that one of the names derived >from that was
Uzner.The /only/ place, >from which this surname comes, is Khotin.

My maternal grandmother, Ester (Rivka or Benita) Borziansky was born in
Kamenets-Podolskiy in 1878 to Chaim Fischel Borziansky and mother-
unknown. She and my grandfather married in Vinnitsa in August, 1897.

I look forward to receiving any help with clues as to how I might
discover more about these ancestors. I haven't done too badly so far as,
when I started my research, I only knew the given names of three of my
grandparents and had no idea where they were born nor the names of their
parents or siblings.
With thanks in advance,
Myra Waddell.
(born in London and now living in Adelaide, South Australia)


IAJGS Legislative Alert Updated: New York City Municipal Archives Pending Legislation; Updates on Maine and Virginia Legislation #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

An updated IAJGS Legislative Alert has been posted for Maine, New York City
and Virginia. To learn more, go to the IAJGS website for the latest alert:
www.iajgs.org click on the left hand button "legislation" and hover your
mouse and then click on Latest Alert. Scroll down the report to get to these
areas:

New York City

For those interested in accessing New York City vital records >from the New
York City Municipal Archives, there is an attempt with legislation pending
in the New York City Council that will eliminate the autonomy of New York
City's Department of Records and Information Services (DORIS). DORIS is the
agency that is responsible for the records and archival documents produced
by past and present City governments. The proposed legislation (Int.
486-2011) would place the currently independent agency within the Department
of Citywide Administrative Services (DCAS). To follow the bill's progress
and read the bill go to: http://tinyurl.com/4orgbfb. IAJGS has reported on
this legislation previously, but now there appears to be action, therefore,
please read the important information >from The Archivist's Roundtable of New
York on what is being done.

Maine

Maine LD 1627 has hearing scheduled in Judiciary for February 29. This bill
would add marriage applications to the requirements for accessing vital
records and the genealogical community has requested that marriage
applications be added to the existing law permitting genealogists obtaining
a researcher card.

Virginia

SB 660 Senate Substitute latest information on recent House action
and resulting tabling of SB 309 and SB 310 as their provisions are included
in SB 660. SB 660 would reduce waiting time for marriage and death records
to 25 years along with other requirements.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen IAJGS Legislative Alert Updated: New York City Municipal Archives Pending Legislation; Updates on Maine and Virginia Legislation #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

An updated IAJGS Legislative Alert has been posted for Maine, New York City
and Virginia. To learn more, go to the IAJGS website for the latest alert:
www.iajgs.org click on the left hand button "legislation" and hover your
mouse and then click on Latest Alert. Scroll down the report to get to these
areas:

New York City

For those interested in accessing New York City vital records >from the New
York City Municipal Archives, there is an attempt with legislation pending
in the New York City Council that will eliminate the autonomy of New York
City's Department of Records and Information Services (DORIS). DORIS is the
agency that is responsible for the records and archival documents produced
by past and present City governments. The proposed legislation (Int.
486-2011) would place the currently independent agency within the Department
of Citywide Administrative Services (DCAS). To follow the bill's progress
and read the bill go to: http://tinyurl.com/4orgbfb. IAJGS has reported on
this legislation previously, but now there appears to be action, therefore,
please read the important information >from The Archivist's Roundtable of New
York on what is being done.

Maine

Maine LD 1627 has hearing scheduled in Judiciary for February 29. This bill
would add marriage applications to the requirements for accessing vital
records and the genealogical community has requested that marriage
applications be added to the existing law permitting genealogists obtaining
a researcher card.

Virginia

SB 660 Senate Substitute latest information on recent House action
and resulting tabling of SB 309 and SB 310 as their provisions are included
in SB 660. SB 660 would reduce waiting time for marriage and death records
to 25 years along with other requirements.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Vice President
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Introducing myself finally #bessarabia

Lynn Arroyo
 

Hello fellow Researchers!

Due to health problems I have not been able to write before now. My name is Lynn Arroyo
and I live in Largo, Florida near the Tampa area.

I am very confused about my family since I cannot find anything on the surname that I am
searching. I have very scant (at best) information on my family >from Kishinev.

I do know the surname is ZALMECHOVSKY (and variant spellings). I believe that my great
grandfather, Chaim Mortke TROYANSKY (and variant spellings),married a woman named
Sophie (or Zusia?) ZAMHOFSKY or ZALMECHOVSKY in about 1850. One son's death certificate
says his mother's name was Zamhofsky and another one's death certificate says his mother's
name was Zalmechovsky. When Sophie died Chaim married the woman who was to become
my great grandmother. At this point I am only interested in one of Chaim and his first wife's son,
Michel Leizer Troyansky.

Michel married a woman named Rivka Zalmechovsky. I have heard that Rivka came >from
Kartuz-Bereza. My problem seems to be that it looks like Chaim married Sophie, and his son
Michel married Sophie's sister Rivka.

As far as the difference between ZAMHOFSKY amd ZALMECHOVSKY goes, I do understand that
the wives who supplied the information on each death certificate could have not been pronouncing
the names correctly, or the person who took the information might have not hearad it correctly, etc.

Would it have been unreasonable for a man to marry his mother's sister circa 1870? Any help or
comments are welcome!

Sincerely,
Lynn Arroyo
Largo, FL

Researching ZAMHOFSKY, ZALMECHOVSKY, TROYANSKY in Kishinev.


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Introducing myself finally #bessarabia

Lynn Arroyo
 

Hello fellow Researchers!

Due to health problems I have not been able to write before now. My name is Lynn Arroyo
and I live in Largo, Florida near the Tampa area.

I am very confused about my family since I cannot find anything on the surname that I am
searching. I have very scant (at best) information on my family >from Kishinev.

I do know the surname is ZALMECHOVSKY (and variant spellings). I believe that my great
grandfather, Chaim Mortke TROYANSKY (and variant spellings),married a woman named
Sophie (or Zusia?) ZAMHOFSKY or ZALMECHOVSKY in about 1850. One son's death certificate
says his mother's name was Zamhofsky and another one's death certificate says his mother's
name was Zalmechovsky. When Sophie died Chaim married the woman who was to become
my great grandmother. At this point I am only interested in one of Chaim and his first wife's son,
Michel Leizer Troyansky.

Michel married a woman named Rivka Zalmechovsky. I have heard that Rivka came >from
Kartuz-Bereza. My problem seems to be that it looks like Chaim married Sophie, and his son
Michel married Sophie's sister Rivka.

As far as the difference between ZAMHOFSKY amd ZALMECHOVSKY goes, I do understand that
the wives who supplied the information on each death certificate could have not been pronouncing
the names correctly, or the person who took the information might have not hearad it correctly, etc.

Would it have been unreasonable for a man to marry his mother's sister circa 1870? Any help or
comments are welcome!

Sincerely,
Lynn Arroyo
Largo, FL

Researching ZAMHOFSKY, ZALMECHOVSKY, TROYANSKY in Kishinev.


Censuses - Podolia gubernia #bessarabia

Myra & Peter Waddell <mpwaddell@...>
 

Sorry if you've already read this in the Ukraine digest but I've been
advised that it should really have been sent to the Bessarabia digest.

I read in the new Ukraine website that there were censuses held in the Podolia
gubernia and wondered whether any of these are available online. I'm
particularly interested in the 1888 as my maternal grandfather, HenochOjzner/UZNER,
born in Khotyn, would have been fifteen years old at thattime and his brother, Yossel,
8 years old. I don't know how old theirother brother, Yankel would have been, nor do
I know whether there wereany other children born to Fradl/Freydel) and Yisroel Moische
(known as Moische/Morris) Uzner. Of course, I'd be interested in ''any'' documents where
''any'' of their names appeared!!

In a book by Alexander Beider ? A Dictionary of Jewish surnames >from The
Russian Empire - I looked up Osner and discovered that the name Ojzner
was described as an occupational surname (maybe >from Hausner -
proprietor of the house) and that one of the names derived >from that was
Uzner.The /only/ place, >from which this surname comes, is Khotin.

My maternal grandmother, Ester (Rivka or Benita) BORZIANSKY was born in
Kamenets-Podolskiy in 1878 to Chaim Fischel Borziansky and mother-
unknown. She and my grandfather married in Vinnitsa in August, 1897.

I look forward to receiving any help with clues as to how I might
discover more about these ancestors. I haven't done too badly so far as,
when I started my research, I only knew the given names of three of my
grandparents and had no idea where they were born nor the names of their
parents or siblings.

With thanks in advance,

Myra Waddell (born inLondon and now living in Adelaide, South Australia)

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Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Censuses - Podolia gubernia #bessarabia

Myra & Peter Waddell <mpwaddell@...>
 

Sorry if you've already read this in the Ukraine digest but I've been
advised that it should really have been sent to the Bessarabia digest.

I read in the new Ukraine website that there were censuses held in the Podolia
gubernia and wondered whether any of these are available online. I'm
particularly interested in the 1888 as my maternal grandfather, HenochOjzner/UZNER,
born in Khotyn, would have been fifteen years old at thattime and his brother, Yossel,
8 years old. I don't know how old theirother brother, Yankel would have been, nor do
I know whether there wereany other children born to Fradl/Freydel) and Yisroel Moische
(known as Moische/Morris) Uzner. Of course, I'd be interested in ''any'' documents where
''any'' of their names appeared!!

In a book by Alexander Beider ? A Dictionary of Jewish surnames >from The
Russian Empire - I looked up Osner and discovered that the name Ojzner
was described as an occupational surname (maybe >from Hausner -
proprietor of the house) and that one of the names derived >from that was
Uzner.The /only/ place, >from which this surname comes, is Khotin.

My maternal grandmother, Ester (Rivka or Benita) BORZIANSKY was born in
Kamenets-Podolskiy in 1878 to Chaim Fischel Borziansky and mother-
unknown. She and my grandfather married in Vinnitsa in August, 1897.

I look forward to receiving any help with clues as to how I might
discover more about these ancestors. I haven't done too badly so far as,
when I started my research, I only knew the given names of three of my
grandparents and had no idea where they were born nor the names of their
parents or siblings.

With thanks in advance,

Myra Waddell (born inLondon and now living in Adelaide, South Australia)

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Re: I can't find a death record for death due to abortion. #general

A. E. Jordan
 

mrl@... writes:

Hi - I'm another person who can't find any evidence of someone who was
living in Philadelphia in the 1920s, and died >from a botched abortion.
No death certificate in the recently released Pennsylvania records, .....,
I'm going to also look into the possibility that maybe she went
over the border, New Jersey for the abortion, and died
there instead.


It is not such a long shot by any means to think she traveled away >from
home. Abortions of the 1920s were horrid backroom affairs not done in the
open or under "good" conditions.

I doubt the mother's name was changed or obscured in the death records but
very possibly the cause of death was hidden. It would otherwise have been
a criminal offense.

But I believe to bury the person a death certificate would have been
required. So either the records are simply mangled to make finding the
certificate difficult to find or possibly she traveled outside the state,
think New Jersey or Delaware >from Philadelphia, to do the sad deed.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: I can't find a death record for death due to abortion. #general

A. E. Jordan
 

mrl@... writes:

Hi - I'm another person who can't find any evidence of someone who was
living in Philadelphia in the 1920s, and died >from a botched abortion.
No death certificate in the recently released Pennsylvania records, .....,
I'm going to also look into the possibility that maybe she went
over the border, New Jersey for the abortion, and died
there instead.


It is not such a long shot by any means to think she traveled away >from
home. Abortions of the 1920s were horrid backroom affairs not done in the
open or under "good" conditions.

I doubt the mother's name was changed or obscured in the death records but
very possibly the cause of death was hidden. It would otherwise have been
a criminal offense.

But I believe to bury the person a death certificate would have been
required. So either the records are simply mangled to make finding the
certificate difficult to find or possibly she traveled outside the state,
think New Jersey or Delaware >from Philadelphia, to do the sad deed.

Allan Jordan


Re: "Retroactive Samification" and Revisiting Initial Research #general

Diane Jacobs
 

Also, my first rule of genealogy is that spelling doesn't count.
The more flexibly you are with it, the better your chances of
finding documents and Family.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ


Meron Lavie [mailto:lavie@...]
A few days ago I coined here the expression "Retroactive Samification"
to describe the phenomenon of immigrants to the US Americanizing their
father's name
snip....


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: "Retroactive Samification" and Revisiting Initial Research #general

Diane Jacobs
 

Also, my first rule of genealogy is that spelling doesn't count.
The more flexibly you are with it, the better your chances of
finding documents and Family.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ


Meron Lavie [mailto:lavie@...]
A few days ago I coined here the expression "Retroactive Samification"
to describe the phenomenon of immigrants to the US Americanizing their
father's name
snip....

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