If there is anyone in Staten Island or who has access to Staten Island, I am trying
to get photos of two ancestors' gravestones.

I called the cemetery ahead of time and can give you the exact location of the
gravestones. Please respond to me privately, and I will give you my ancestors'
names and where to find them.

Thank you very much,

Avi Lichtenstein
Rockville, MD

LICHTENSTEIN, GOLDFARB (Bialystock); FILSTEIN (Novyy Konstantinov); SHAPIRO, WEISS
(Starokostyantyniv); JACOBSON (Daugavpils); PACHMAN (Aleksotas); KANEFSKY (Bila
Tzerkva); BRESSLER (Letichev); WEISSBARD, KOBILONSKY (Vinnytsya)

If there is anyone in Staten Island or who has access to Staten Island, I am trying
to get photos of two ancestors' gravestones.

I called the cemetery ahead of time and can give you the exact location of the
gravestones. Please respond to me privately, and I will give you my ancestors'
names and where to find them.

Thank you very much,

Avi Lichtenstein
Rockville, MD

LICHTENSTEIN, GOLDFARB (Bialystock); FILSTEIN (Novyy Konstantinov); SHAPIRO, WEISS
(Starokostyantyniv); JACOBSON (Daugavpils); PACHMAN (Aleksotas); KANEFSKY (Bila
Tzerkva); BRESSLER (Letichev); WEISSBARD, KOBILONSKY (Vinnytsya)

Hello, Dear Colleague Genners.

My WOLKOFSKY family is still a great source for mysteries and lost branches. And
as always with this family, all the information should be questioned...

As for now, I'm looking for Ethel and Jack GOLDBERG, who lived on Blue Island Ave.,
Chicago, IL. This street refers to an unknown date, however Chicago is believed to
be their place of residence.

Ethel was the daughter of Haim Leib (Harry) and Tzina WOLKOFSKY, and I can only
estimate that she was born around 1860s/1870s. She probably came to the States from
Galati, Romania.

Ethel and Jack had a daughter, Shifra (I've no idea what was her American name),
and 7 other children.

That's all we have about this branch.

Any help would be much appreciated,
Yours,
Arnon Hershkovitz
Shrewsbury, MA
arnon.hershkovitz@...

Hello, Dear Colleague Genners.

My WOLKOFSKY family is still a great source for mysteries and lost branches. And
as always with this family, all the information should be questioned...

As for now, I'm looking for Ethel and Jack GOLDBERG, who lived on Blue Island Ave.,
Chicago, IL. This street refers to an unknown date, however Chicago is believed to
be their place of residence.

Ethel was the daughter of Haim Leib (Harry) and Tzina WOLKOFSKY, and I can only
estimate that she was born around 1860s/1870s. She probably came to the States from
Galati, Romania.

Ethel and Jack had a daughter, Shifra (I've no idea what was her American name),
and 7 other children.

That's all we have about this branch.

Any help would be much appreciated,
Yours,
Arnon Hershkovitz
Shrewsbury, MA
arnon.hershkovitz@...

Dear All

I have kindly been sent the photos of three gravestones from
the old Blackley Jewish Cemetery in Manchester.

If you have a connection, I would be glad to forward the photos of:

Miriam BLACK nee TISHMAN - 1886-1919 (Miriam d of Abraham a.k.a Arieh
and Abraham Lewis TISHMAN) - wife of Philip BLACK, father Isaac BLACK.

Jane BLACK (Married name) - 1884-1920 (Shayna Yetel? d of Abraham)

And a stone totally written in Hebrew for Moshe Dovid son of
Mordechai Zeev, presume he passed away around 1919 as the plots
seem to follow in year patterns.

Please contact me on ndogin@...

Naomi Ogin
Brisbane
Searching;BLACK,CHERNOSKY,CHORGAN,DAVIDOVITCH,
DAVIDOFF,DAVIDSON,DOMANIS,GOLDWITZ,GREENBERG,HAYUDAH
HIATT,HUNT,LEBUS,MELNICK,OGIN,ORGIN,RABINOVITCH
RABIN,RANDALL,RESNICK,RUBINSTEIN,SCHAPERE
TISMAN,TISHMAN,WILSON,WOLFSON

Dear All

I have kindly been sent the photos of three gravestones from
the old Blackley Jewish Cemetery in Manchester.

If you have a connection, I would be glad to forward the photos of:

Miriam BLACK nee TISHMAN - 1886-1919 (Miriam d of Abraham a.k.a Arieh
and Abraham Lewis TISHMAN) - wife of Philip BLACK, father Isaac BLACK.

Jane BLACK (Married name) - 1884-1920 (Shayna Yetel? d of Abraham)

And a stone totally written in Hebrew for Moshe Dovid son of
Mordechai Zeev, presume he passed away around 1919 as the plots
seem to follow in year patterns.

Please contact me on ndogin@...

Naomi Ogin
Brisbane
Searching;BLACK,CHERNOSKY,CHORGAN,DAVIDOVITCH,
DAVIDOFF,DAVIDSON,DOMANIS,GOLDWITZ,GREENBERG,HAYUDAH
HIATT,HUNT,LEBUS,MELNICK,OGIN,ORGIN,RABINOVITCH
RABIN,RANDALL,RESNICK,RUBINSTEIN,SCHAPERE
TISMAN,TISHMAN,WILSON,WOLFSON

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=20123
Both of my parents had one of these documents. I'm assuming it
was a necessary step in order to leave Vienna in 1939. Could
someone help me with this?

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=20124
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=20125
These are marriage certificates. What is the significance of each one?

Thanking you in advance,

Michael Diamant

Please response to palekaiko@...

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=20123
Both of my parents had one of these documents. I'm assuming it
was a necessary step in order to leave Vienna in 1939. Could
someone help me with this?

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=20124
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=20125
These are marriage certificates. What is the significance of each one?

Thanking you in advance,

Michael Diamant

Please response to palekaiko@...

Johannah LYONS was married to Henry NATHAN. Henry and his brothers
emigrated >from Ilvesheim, Baden-Wuerttemberg. They all appear to have
lived in Memphis, Tennessee at some point (some of the family are
there still). I found the following information at stevemorse.org and
would like to verify whether the men below=A0are indeed members of my
family: -

Given Name Surname Age Sex Occupation Literacy Origin Residence
Destination Manifest ID Ship Port of Departure Date of Arrival

NATHAN JULES age 18 MALE UNKNOWN UNKNOWN BADEN UNKNOWN NEW YORK 8412
TRUMBULL UNKNOWN 05/08/1855
- Is this Julius Nathan born 24 Nov 1836 in Ilvesheim, died 24 Sep
1897 in Memphis?

NATHAN ADOLPH age 18 MALE JEWELER UNKNOWN GERMANY MANNHEIM USA 10450
HANSA BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON 05/22/1865
- Is this Adolph Nathan born 17 Jan 1847 in Ilvesheim, died 13 Apr
1899 in Memphis?

NATHAN MR-HEINR age 18 MALE MERCHANT UNKNOWN GERMANY MANNHEIM 10256
AMERICA BREMEN 05/23/1864
- I assume Heinr = Heinrich = Henry. Is this Henry Nathan born 08 Mar
1846 in Ilvesheim, died 25 Jan 1896 in New York?

NATHAN MAX age 23 MALE MERCHANT UNKNOWN GERMANY ILOESHEIM USA 30124
HERMANN BREMEN 06/04/1866
- Is this Max Nathan born 24 May 1843 in Ilvesheim, died 05 Apr 1906
in Memphis?

NATHAN LEOPOLD age 17 MALE SHOEMAKER UNKNOWN GERMANY U USA 10550
DOCTOR BARTH HAMBURG 09/23/1865
- Is this Leon Nathan born 04 Oct 1841 in Ilvesheim, died ? in USA.

NATHANSOHU ISAAC age 17 MALE TAILOR UNKNOWN GERMANY U USA 9483 DOCTOR
BARTH HAMBURG 09/29/1859
- Is this Isidor or Isadore Nathan born 21 Aug 1838 in Ilvesheim, died
10 Oct 1922 in Memphis?

I haven't been able to find an immigration record for Emil M Nathan
born 09 Jan 1840 in Ilvesheim, died 10 Apr 1912 in Cincinnati, Ohio.
The Nathan brothers had two sisters, Friederike born 11 Jul 1833 in
Ilvesheim; she remained in Germany (in Mannheim). And Johanna born 31
Aug 1834 in Ilvesheim about whom I can find no additional information.

If anyone is able to look at the original manifests and let me know
whether there's additional information to be had, I'd be appreciative.

Steven Leof, London, England sleof.sln25@...

Johannah LYONS was married to Henry NATHAN. Henry and his brothers
emigrated >from Ilvesheim, Baden-Wuerttemberg. They all appear to have
lived in Memphis, Tennessee at some point (some of the family are
there still). I found the following information at stevemorse.org and
would like to verify whether the men below=A0are indeed members of my
family: -

Given Name Surname Age Sex Occupation Literacy Origin Residence
Destination Manifest ID Ship Port of Departure Date of Arrival

NATHAN JULES age 18 MALE UNKNOWN UNKNOWN BADEN UNKNOWN NEW YORK 8412
TRUMBULL UNKNOWN 05/08/1855
- Is this Julius Nathan born 24 Nov 1836 in Ilvesheim, died 24 Sep
1897 in Memphis?

NATHAN ADOLPH age 18 MALE JEWELER UNKNOWN GERMANY MANNHEIM USA 10450
HANSA BREMEN & SOUTHAMPTON 05/22/1865
- Is this Adolph Nathan born 17 Jan 1847 in Ilvesheim, died 13 Apr
1899 in Memphis?

NATHAN MR-HEINR age 18 MALE MERCHANT UNKNOWN GERMANY MANNHEIM 10256
AMERICA BREMEN 05/23/1864
- I assume Heinr = Heinrich = Henry. Is this Henry Nathan born 08 Mar
1846 in Ilvesheim, died 25 Jan 1896 in New York?

NATHAN MAX age 23 MALE MERCHANT UNKNOWN GERMANY ILOESHEIM USA 30124
HERMANN BREMEN 06/04/1866
- Is this Max Nathan born 24 May 1843 in Ilvesheim, died 05 Apr 1906
in Memphis?

NATHAN LEOPOLD age 17 MALE SHOEMAKER UNKNOWN GERMANY U USA 10550
DOCTOR BARTH HAMBURG 09/23/1865
- Is this Leon Nathan born 04 Oct 1841 in Ilvesheim, died ? in USA.

NATHANSOHU ISAAC age 17 MALE TAILOR UNKNOWN GERMANY U USA 9483 DOCTOR
BARTH HAMBURG 09/29/1859
- Is this Isidor or Isadore Nathan born 21 Aug 1838 in Ilvesheim, died
10 Oct 1922 in Memphis?

I haven't been able to find an immigration record for Emil M Nathan
born 09 Jan 1840 in Ilvesheim, died 10 Apr 1912 in Cincinnati, Ohio.
The Nathan brothers had two sisters, Friederike born 11 Jul 1833 in
Ilvesheim; she remained in Germany (in Mannheim). And Johanna born 31
Aug 1834 in Ilvesheim about whom I can find no additional information.

If anyone is able to look at the original manifests and let me know
whether there's additional information to be had, I'd be appreciative.

Steven Leof, London, England sleof.sln25@...

I'm trying to find out where my great-great-grandmother Johannah aka
Hannche, Hannsche or Hannah LYONS was born and the names of her
parents, etc.

I believe Hannche was born on 16 May 1848. Family records indicate
that she was born in Freischbach, Germany however I haven't been able
to locate the village; it has been suggested that Freischbach was an
Americanised phonetic spelling....

Hannche immigrated to America between 1863 and 1865. and married Henry
NATHAN in Memphis, Tennessee on 10 Oct 1866. The wedding was performed
by Rabbi Simon Tuska. Henry was born on 8 Mar 1846 in Ilvesheim,
Rhein-Neckar-Kreis, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany.

By 1867 the Nathans were living in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. They moved to
Manhattan between 1880 and 1900. Hannche died on 18 Jun 1910 in Far
Rockaway, New York.

If anyone can suggest where to look for additional information I'd be
appreciative.

Steven Leof, London, England sleof.sln25@...

Researching my ancestors from
Belarus: - LIFSCHITZ (aka LEOF) >from Mogilev; LEVIN >from Azaritch
SHERIZEN >from Mazyr France: - POHL; Germany: BACHRACH probably >from Hessen
FEIS probably >from Bayern; FISHER >from Maineck, Bayern
HECHT >from Langenschwarz, Hessen; HERTZ probably >from Germany
GOLDSCHMIDT >from Bellersheim, Hessen; - KATZENSTEIN >from Rhina, Hessen
LYONS >from somewhere that sounds like Freischbach; NEUFELD >from Berlin
NATHAN >from Ilvesheim, Baden-Wuerttemberg; TRIEST >from Bayern
OFFENBACH probably >from Germany
SACHSENDORFER aka SUESSMANN and ROSENBACH >from Ermershausen, Bayern [snip]

I'm trying to find out where my great-great-grandmother Johannah aka
Hannche, Hannsche or Hannah LYONS was born and the names of her
parents, etc.

I believe Hannche was born on 16 May 1848. Family records indicate
that she was born in Freischbach, Germany however I haven't been able
to locate the village; it has been suggested that Freischbach was an
Americanised phonetic spelling....

Hannche immigrated to America between 1863 and 1865. and married Henry
NATHAN in Memphis, Tennessee on 10 Oct 1866. The wedding was performed
by Rabbi Simon Tuska. Henry was born on 8 Mar 1846 in Ilvesheim,
Rhein-Neckar-Kreis, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany.

By 1867 the Nathans were living in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. They moved to
Manhattan between 1880 and 1900. Hannche died on 18 Jun 1910 in Far
Rockaway, New York.

If anyone can suggest where to look for additional information I'd be
appreciative.

Steven Leof, London, England sleof.sln25@...

Researching my ancestors from
Belarus: - LIFSCHITZ (aka LEOF) >from Mogilev; LEVIN >from Azaritch
SHERIZEN >from Mazyr France: - POHL; Germany: BACHRACH probably >from Hessen
FEIS probably >from Bayern; FISHER >from Maineck, Bayern
HECHT >from Langenschwarz, Hessen; HERTZ probably >from Germany
GOLDSCHMIDT >from Bellersheim, Hessen; - KATZENSTEIN >from Rhina, Hessen
LYONS >from somewhere that sounds like Freischbach; NEUFELD >from Berlin
NATHAN >from Ilvesheim, Baden-Wuerttemberg; TRIEST >from Bayern
OFFENBACH probably >from Germany
SACHSENDORFER aka SUESSMANN and ROSENBACH >from Ermershausen, Bayern [snip]

Allan asked if there were genealogical standards for accepting some relationship as
being so (I guess, in a manner of speaking, "officially" true).

The standard that I have seen in writing and implied by many responses to just this
sort of problem is that any claim of a relationship should have "clearly convincing
evidence." In most cases, this would mean at least one form of documentation
establishing the each part of the claim (that they are >from same town, descended

from same man, etc). I would call a tombstone "documentation". In your chain of

evidence, you are missing one link or two links. One is the clear link of the other
PERSKY to your town of origin. That he claims it or did claim it is better than
nothing, but only weakly convincing to me. I consider that a good start, but not
solid evidence. The other problem is that you don't know of the Isaachars are the
same man.

What most people would say is clearly convincing is that the men are likely close
relatives of some sort.

You probably won't get anyone agreeing to much more than that, so you will just
have to continue to dig.

Of course, it is your tree, and so long as you keep it private, I suppose you can
claim what you wish. However, if it is to be distributed, and in most cases, it
will be, somehow, then you should probably hold out a bit.

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia

Allan asked if there were genealogical standards for accepting some relationship as
being so (I guess, in a manner of speaking, "officially" true).

The standard that I have seen in writing and implied by many responses to just this
sort of problem is that any claim of a relationship should have "clearly convincing
evidence." In most cases, this would mean at least one form of documentation
establishing the each part of the claim (that they are >from same town, descended

from same man, etc). I would call a tombstone "documentation". In your chain of

evidence, you are missing one link or two links. One is the clear link of the other
PERSKY to your town of origin. That he claims it or did claim it is better than
nothing, but only weakly convincing to me. I consider that a good start, but not
solid evidence. The other problem is that you don't know of the Isaachars are the
same man.

What most people would say is clearly convincing is that the men are likely close
relatives of some sort.

You probably won't get anyone agreeing to much more than that, so you will just
have to continue to dig.

Of course, it is your tree, and so long as you keep it private, I suppose you can
claim what you wish. However, if it is to be distributed, and in most cases, it
will be, somehow, then you should probably hold out a bit.

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia

I'm trying to find out where my great-great-grandmother Johannah aka
Hannche, Hannsche or Hannah LYONS was born and the names of her
parents, etc.

I believe Hannche was born on 16 May 1848. Family records indicate
that she was born in Freischbach, Germany however I haven't been able
to locate the village; it has been suggested that Freischbach was an
Americanised phonetic spelling....

Hannche immigrated to America between 1863 and 1865. and married Henry
NATHAN in Memphis, Tennessee on 10 Oct 1866. The wedding was performed
by Rabbi Simon Tuska. Henry was born on 8 Mar 1846 in Ilvesheim,
Rhein-Neckar-Kreis, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany.

By 1867 the Nathans were living in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. They moved to
Manhattan between 1880 and 1900. Hannche died on 18 Jun 1910 in Far
Rockaway, New York.

If anyone can suggest where to look for additional information I'd be
appreciative.

Steven Leof, London, England sleof.sln25@...

I'm trying to find out where my great-great-grandmother Johannah aka
Hannche, Hannsche or Hannah LYONS was born and the names of her
parents, etc.

I believe Hannche was born on 16 May 1848. Family records indicate
that she was born in Freischbach, Germany however I haven't been able
to locate the village; it has been suggested that Freischbach was an
Americanised phonetic spelling....

Hannche immigrated to America between 1863 and 1865. and married Henry
NATHAN in Memphis, Tennessee on 10 Oct 1866. The wedding was performed
by Rabbi Simon Tuska. Henry was born on 8 Mar 1846 in Ilvesheim,
Rhein-Neckar-Kreis, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany.

By 1867 the Nathans were living in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. They moved to
Manhattan between 1880 and 1900. Hannche died on 18 Jun 1910 in Far
Rockaway, New York.

If anyone can suggest where to look for additional information I'd be
appreciative.

Steven Leof, London, England sleof.sln25@...

Sally wrote:
"If you take the female ending 'in' off, you will find that the word means the
'keeper of a counter in a bar', according to Bing. She was a barkeeper, in common
terms."

My comment:

Certainly NOT, she had nothing to do with bars. In the German "Fremdwörterbuch"
1990 it says for Comptoir, das, -s, -s: (veraltet): Kontor (translated:
oldfashioned for "Kontor", for "Kontor", which itself is outdated by then it says:
Kontor (veraltet): Geschäftsraum eines Kaufmanns (translated: room of an office),
for "Kontorist" it says Kontorist der, -en, -en: Angestellter in der
kaufmaennischen Verwaltung (translated: employee in an office), so a "Compoiristin"
was really a normal office worker, also possibly more used for bank employees than
for any office.

With kind regards
Fritz Neubauer, North Germany

Sally wrote:
"If you take the female ending 'in' off, you will find that the word means the
'keeper of a counter in a bar', according to Bing. She was a barkeeper, in common
terms."

My comment:

Certainly NOT, she had nothing to do with bars. In the German "Fremdwörterbuch"
1990 it says for Comptoir, das, -s, -s: (veraltet): Kontor (translated:
oldfashioned for "Kontor", for "Kontor", which itself is outdated by then it says:
Kontor (veraltet): Geschäftsraum eines Kaufmanns (translated: room of an office),
for "Kontorist" it says Kontorist der, -en, -en: Angestellter in der
kaufmaennischen Verwaltung (translated: employee in an office), so a "Compoiristin"
was really a normal office worker, also possibly more used for bank employees than
for any office.

With kind regards
Fritz Neubauer, North Germany

Dear Friends,

I have posted to Viewmate some documents I need help with a extracting the key data

from Russian. All of them are marriage records related to KLAJNER surname >from the

Tarnogrod region in Poland.

Extracting key vital facts (names, dates, places) will be enough - although a full
translation is always appreciated.

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=20107
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=20108
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=20109

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thanks in advance for your kind help,

Yaacov Slizak
Haifa, Israel

Dear Friends,

I have posted to Viewmate some documents I need help with a extracting the key data

from Russian. All of them are marriage records related to KLAJNER surname >from the

Tarnogrod region in Poland.

Extracting key vital facts (names, dates, places) will be enough - although a full
translation is always appreciated.

http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/viewmateview.asp?key=20107
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=20108
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=20109

Please respond via the form provided in the ViewMate application.

Thanks in advance for your kind help,

Yaacov Slizak
Haifa, Israel