Re: Kra family in Paris #france #general


Hi all,

I thought I would share here a summary of what I found that can be of general interest :
- Salli Kra (born Krah) was born 20 March 1853 in Frankfurt, Germany. He was the 4th child.
- From what I see in the original (handwritten) records, both his parents seem to have come from the town of Norden near Hanover.
- The father, Joseph Jacob, was a teacher in the jewish community

Wikipedia page on Simon (Salli) Kra :
Notes on Lucien Kra, son of Simon Kra :

I've also privately sent Joyce more complete data.

Best Regards from Paris
Daniel Mayer

Re: BJALIN family from Sweden #canada

The Becker's Email

It is not clear exactly what information you are looking for.  Ancestors of Esther or descendants or both including extended relations such as Hattie Shapira.

Esther married 3 Sept. 1907.  There is an very long article on the wedding in the 4 Sept. 1907 Winnipeg Tribune. source:
Prior to 1907, Esther is living in the household of David Ripstein. 
On the 1901 Census (Ripstine):  Ester M Rjelskoskri age 18, b. Sweden 7 Mar. 1882 and Isaac Rjelskoskri age 17 b. Sweden 19 Sept. 1893.  It is possible the "R" is a "B".  Both Ester and Isaac immigrated 1900.
On the 1906 census (Ripstein):  Ester Beyalen age 23 b. Sweden, imm. 1897.  Max Buyalen age 22 b. Sweden, imm. 1898.

I also found a US declaration of intent for Sarah Bjalin, wife of Sam in San Francisco, California.  This has the marriage date in Gotenberg for her and Sam and also gives his DOB/place and lists children and where born. Ancestry has a 22 Oct. 1899 marriage record for Moses Sandal Bjalogarsky to Sarah Schwartzberg in Gotenberg.  IN addition, there are birth records for some children as well as passenger lists.  Sometimes Bjalogarsky doesn't appear as the surname in some of the records, but Josefson.  Worth checking out records on Ancestry for Sweden.

There are a lot of directions you could go to research this family.  I suggest you start w/ which is free.  Many public libraries have subscriptions to Ancestry and you should check your local  library.  I found some records on familysearch and some on Ancesty.  Ancestry seems more likely to have originals in addition to transcriptions but that's  not always the case.

Johanna Becker
Newport, RI, USA

Re: LDS original #general

Vivian Kahn

Which of the JewishGen databases includes the record? The Hungarian database includes LDS (i.e. FamilySearch) film and volume numbers for records indexed from the LDS collection. Many of these are available on line at Please contact me off-list if you have questions.

Vivian Kahn
JewishGen Hungarian Research Director

Re: Were there contacts between JOINT DISTRIBUTION COMMITEE and UNRRAH following WW2 #germany #general

Linda Cantor

Go to and then 'contact us' and ask them. (JDC = Joint Distribution Committee).  

Linda Cantor

Date of recorded information on website #poland

Lisa Bracco

I came across some newly added information at yesterday under the heading below.  I would like to know the approximate year of this information.  It has to be between 1891, as it lists one of my relatives born in that year, and 1904, since it lists another who came to the US at the end of 1904.  Also, would females be listed here as well?  Two of my male relatives are noted as married, but their wives do not appear on the chart.  The information is noted as being last updated Dec. 2020.  Thanks for any help you can give me on defining the year.

The title of the chart is:
Lomza Area Army Draft, Books of Residence and Notary Records

Lisa Glowatz Bracco

Re: Yiddish/ Hebrew Name equivalent of Hungarian/ Romanian names #names #hungary #romania

Judy Petersen

Hi Rachel,
     The names could literally be anything, because there was no rule linking secular to Hebrew/Yiddish/religious names.  In addition to the ones Michele mentions, these are some names I've come across while transcribing:

Sari: Sarah, Chaya Sarah, Serl, Saraleh
Betti: Breindel, Beila, Buna
Ferencz: Peretz, Falk, Feivel

     I recently came across a Jenő whose Hebrew name was Baruch.  Why?  Fortunately the record gave both the mother and the father's Hebrew names.  The mother's father's Hebrew name was Baruch!  So Jenő's Hebrew name was for his maternal grandfather!


                Judy Petersen
                Fort Collins, CO

Sunday Zoom: The Alliance Israélite Universelle #announcements

David Mendoza

The Alliance Israélite Universelle - Sources for Sephardic Studies and

Researching Jewish communities around the Mediterranean is challenging. Many
archives have been destroyed, lost or confiscated. However, the records of
the Alliance Israélite Universelle sit safely in Paris.

The Alliance Israélite Universelle was founded in 1860 by a group of French
Jews, the majority of them being Ashkenazim from Alsace. However, the school
network of the AIU had a decisive effect on Judeo-Spanish populations in
Turkey, Greece, the Balkans and North Africa. The library and archives are
full of important documents for the history of the Sephardim: manuscripts,
early prints, periodicals, and many references to Sephardic individuals who
acted as teachers of the AIU. Discover the richness of these collections,
and learn how to access it through the digital library.

Jean-Claude Kuperminc is the Director of the Library and Archives of the
Alliance Israélite Universelle. He is one of the creators of the Rachel
Network of Jewish Libraries. In more than 30 years, he has led the
transformation of the library into the digital world.

The meeting is on Sunday 28 February 2021 at 11am LA, 2pm NYC, 7pm London,
8pm Amsterdam and 9pm Jerusalem. If you are not on the mailing list, you can
join us on Facebook at:

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Best wishes,

David Mendoza and Ton Tielen
Sephardic World

Beware of email scam regarding genealogy #general

David Ziants

Just received an email from someone, which at first glance looked like a legitimate family researcher. I was still a bit suspicious and found reference to this style message, so is very likely a spam. One should therefore be careful. Please see for details:- I am posting this to multiple groups.

David Ziants

Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel

Re: Old lineages #general

john weiss

Thanks, all. Can anyone share any strong documentation or links?

John Weiss
San Francisco

Re: Old lineages #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybruc@...>

The problem with lineages back 1000 or more years is that there were few, if any, reliable records. Avotaynu once published, I think, 12 'Descent from Rashi' lineages, showing how each was flawed. Later there were a half-dozen more, none possible. Rashi was only 1000 years ago, not 'back to the time of Jesus'.

You can have a lineage back to Eden, as European royalty had made, but if it can't be true, what is the point. 

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Records from the ghetto in Pabianice #holocaust #poland

Amit Gnatek

Does anyone know if there are records from the ghetto in Pabianice?
Best Regards,
Amit Gnatek

Re: Genealogy Programs #general

Arlene Beare

I have used many different Programmes over the years.  I now stick with 2.  One is Family TreeMaker which will do everything you  require. Tech support is by a Chat which can be helpful but not as good as speaking to someone.
The other is a programme called Myhistory. whick likewise does everything you need.  Ease of use is excellent and intuitive.
I think the charting function in MyHistory is far superior to FTM  It s a UK based Company and if you purchase the Programme from them they give excellent Tech support.   This can be by email of by phone.

I am not sure about same sex marriages as I have not tried that function but I cannot see why either programme would not allow it.

Arlene Beare UK
Dorfman Birzai Lithuania then Riga Sher Pandelys Lithuania then Riga Bloom Pandelys Lithuania then Riga Berman Lygumai Lithuania then Jekabpils Latvia
Trzmil (Samuels) Zychlin Poland and UK Kohn Zychlin Poland  possibly also Bialystock




Re: Old lineages #general

Jeremy Lichtman

For places like Poland or Lithuania, the metrical records (birth, marriage, death) or town-level residence records (where they have survived) go back to circa 1808. There are sometimes surviving records for the censuses of 1794/5 and 1765 as well. Pretty much anyone from those places (assuming their ancestral towns have surviving documents) can trace back that far. If their ancestry is from Western Europe, they're likely to be able to go back somewhat further, depending on specifics.

As far as fairly reliable (i.e. from a genealogical perspective) lineages go, my understanding is that the Kalonymides are reasonably documented back to circa 800 CE.


Jeremy Lichtman
Toronto, Canada

Chelmno - Fate of Buchbinder Family (6 Members) #lodz #poland


My name is: Lisa N. Weinstock Smith
How can I find information on those transported by train from Lodz to Chelmno on March 24, 1942?

Re: Old lineages #general

michele shari

Adam Cherson has used extensive DNA testing through Y DNA from FTDNA and traced my Farkas family, of which the men are cohanim back to several rabbinical lines and Babylonian gaonim. Although I have to catch up on the latest findings it is quite extensive research and it is ongoing through a group on FTDNA. I had my uncle's Y DNA tested and also signed up for any groups on FTDNA for contact. Adam contacted me to join his research and sends regular updates. His knowledge is amazing and he has helped me sort out many things on my tree. The only thing I had to do was upgrade my uncle's Y DNA testing which I decided to upgrade to the Y 700 (which I found on a great sale) but there were less expensive options. It is amazing what they can find on DNA from medicine to genealogy!
Michele Farkas
Boynton Beach, FL (formerly NY)
Researching Farkas, Taiszig, Izsak from Romania and Hungary; Stauber, Davidovici, Herstik, Teszler from Romania

Re: Genealogy Programs #general

Reuven Mohr

I gave up on FTM, which I had purchased, since I could not get used to it.

I have been using 'my heritage family tree builder' from the free download instead. At times I had a subscription to the site, but I stopped it. Now I just use the program with my files which are only saved on my PC. When I open the program after it was closed, I get asked if I want to 'sync with family site'. I just dismiss the sugestion, and as far as I understand, there is no leaking of information. I hope I'm right.
Currently I don't see any reason to sync with the on-line site, but the icon is there and I could click it any time. I would not feel sure that a tree would be all private, once you sync with myheritage.

Reuven Mohr

Re: Yiddish/ Hebrew Name equivalent of Hungarian/ Romanian names #names #hungary #romania

michele shari

Hi Rachel,
Ferencz in my family was Ze'ev in Hebrew (which means wolf) and Wolf in Yiddish and Hungarian. One cousin/uncle that I remember from childhood I called "feribachi", Uncle Feri so Feri was either a nickname for Ferencz or some version of it. Another Ferencz is Tzvi Hersh. These names were primarily from my Farkas side who were from Transylvania and Hungary.
As for Sari it could also be Sure or Szure. 
For Betti perhaps Bracha in Hebrew.
BTW, I have several Maliks in my tree mostly connected to Stauber, Stober, Shtauber, Stojber, etc. And a lot of my cousins did DNA. 
Michele Farkas
Boynton Beach, FL

Re: Original personal name for USA Nettie #general

Jill Whitehead

I have family members who were called Asnah (Nessie) and Henrietta (Hetty) who were also known as Nettie and other things at various times. I have also come across Jeannette too shortening to Nettie. Longer names tend to be shortened and shorter names tend to be lengthened in nick- names.

One of my great grandmothers, Hadassah, was also known as Basha, Bertha, Betsy, etc. Another of my great grandmothers, also called Hadassah, was known as Ada. Her granddaughter had the middle name Esther as I understand Hadassah and Esther are interchangeable.

Jill Whitehead, Surrey, UK

Re: Genealogical Revelations of Hungarian Jewish Families - First Volume Editor - Munkatchi #hungary

Susanna Vendel

Can it be the book: "How it happened: Documenting the Tragedy of Hungarian Jewry" by Ernö Munkacsi ?
ISBN 978-0773555129
Susanna Vendel
Stockholm, Sweden
Researching: Weisz (Salonta, Oradea), Wagner (Sighetu Marmatiei)
Rössler (Nagybecskerek, Budapest)

Re: Old lineages #general

Richard Cooper

I believe Moshe Shaltiel-Gracian has traced the SHALTIEL family back 2,000 years to contemporaries of Jesus,
Ric Cooper
Midhurst, UK