Re: Vinitsky/Winitsky from Detroit, Mich. #usa

Sharyn Weizman

Hi Judy,
I'm a descendent  of Menashe Venitsky who changed his name to Morris Vennit when he came to the US in 1900 with his wife Fanny Schosid Venitsky. The census records say they came from Vilnius. I'm very interesting in finding Venitsky/Vennit relatives and would love to know of anyone you're in contact with who might be related.
thank you
Sharyn Weizman
Herzilya, Israel (formerly of Maryland)

Alternate locations for an Orthodox wedding/marriage ceremony in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania #usa

Marcia Segal


One set of my grandparents, both with families in Philadelphia, were married in the rabbi's office rather than in the main sanctuary (not sure if that's what the primary area of worship was called). Would there have been a precedent, or reason? There seems to be correspondence about when to have the wedding in the office, as opposed to why. Money wouldn't have been the issue, and one of my relatives has suggested that getting married in the rabbi's office was more customary than I would have thought. Any ideas? And FYI, she wasn't pregnant--the first child was born more than a year after they were married (and I have documentation for both dates).

Many thanks for kind insights.

Marcia Segal
(family names Caplan/Kaplan, Gomborov/Gomborow, Koppelman, Mergler, Segal, Siegel, Yankelovich)

The 11 Tribes of Rubel: The Search for My Cousins, Past and Present”

Walter Rosenthal

” #event

“The 11 Tribes of Rubel: The Search for My Cousins, Past and Present”.  On March 10, a virtual presentation will be hosted by the Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Beach County .  Ken Cutler, an attorney and Parkland City Commissioner , will speak about his unique strategy for conducting genealogical research.

Respond to Walter Rosenthal waltrose864@...


Walter Rosenthal

Re: Photo of young woman with five words on the back of photo may in in Romanian #translation


It is not in Romanian.  It is in Russian.  See translation:

As a keepsake to my brother from my daughter

Translated by Michael Ryabinky
Columbus, OH

Re: Where does the surname FUIT originate from? #names


Have you looked on Forebears ? Sometimes they give meanings or at least area links 

Good luck
Mandy Molava
Researching Brest Russia Belarus Galacia

Re: Genealogy Programs #general


I use Ancestris, an excellent, very powerful freeware:

Thierry Samama

JGSCNY Free Zoom Meeting - Organizing Your Genealogy Research: Both Paper and Digital with Amanda Perrine, Tuesday, March 16th at 7:00pm. EST #events #general


The Jewish Genealogical Society of Central New York (JGSCNY) would like to announce its next meeting on

Tuesday, March 16th at 7:00 PM on Zoom

"Organizing Your Genealogy Research: Both Paper and Digital"
with Amanda Perrine, Onondaga County Librarian

Please contact jgscny@... to register for this meeting.

Amanda E. Perrine began her family history search at 12 after learning her great-great-grandmother may have been a bigamist and hasn't stopped searching since. She is currently a manager at Onondaga County Public Library where she hosts bi-monthly virtual genealogy round tables and hopes to soon get back to quarterly in-person genealogy lock-ins. Amanda received her Master's in Library Science and Certificate of Advanced Study in Cultural Heritage Preservation from Syracuse University. When not at work on her genealogy she can be found with her husband and son exploring Central New York and beyond.

Yonat Klein
Syracuse NY

Re: Yiddish/ Hebrew Name equivalent of Hungarian/ Romanian names #names #hungary #romania

Eva Blanket

Hi there,

My mother was born in the Sub-Carpathian region of what was then Czechoslovakia, but in her parent's time, it was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
As such she grew up utilising  many variations of her name (as did many others of this region).
She was born with the given Yiddish name of Scheindel,  which means beautiful....and so her Hebrew name was Yafa (meaning 'beautiful' in Hebrew).
To her Hungarian friends and when speaking Hungarian, she was known as Sari/Shari.
On her Czech documents and at Czech School, she was Charlotta and whilst attending Russian School, she was Zlate or Slava.
In English, she was Charlotte.
Other variations of usage I've noted are Jennie (Zseni) in English. 

The name Sari, is more typical of Hungarian background and hence, used in those parts that were once a part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire eg. Hungary; parts of former Czechoslovakia (Slovakia & Sub-Carpathia) and parts of Romania.  Its possible that Sara could be interchanged, however it's not usual practice and is more likely a different name.
Sara/Sarah in Hebrew, would be more commonly used the same in Yiddish as well as usage of Szure; Surele/Sarale; Sore etc. and likely Suri/Szuri or Szerin in Hungarian. In English, some of the usage would be again Sara/Sarah; Serena or even Shirley and Sadie.

Hope this helps.
Eva Blanket

Translation request on Viewmate--RUSSIAN #translation

Joseph Walder

Greetings. I would appreciate help with translating from Russian two pages of a document that lists victims of pogroms in the Tarashcha (Ukraine) district during the civil war of 1918-1920. These are for members of the SHEPETOVSKY family of Koshevata. I can tell that there are names and ages but not what other information there might be.

The documents are on Viewmate at

Please post your translation to Viewmate as usual.

Many thanks--

Joe Walder
Portland, Oregon, USA

Re: Pikeliai/Pikeln #lithuania #photographs

ms nodrog

I would love to have this info since my father and his family were from Pikeliai.  I have written to you directly and look forward to your contact.
Hope Gordon

Where does the surname FUIT originate from? #names


Dear Group


I was wondering if anyone knows where the surname FUIT originated from? I have a friend with the maiden name of FUIT who was born in Holland but thinks the name may be French.


Best wishes


Rose Raymen

Perth, Western Australia

March 2: CJH Genealogy Coffee Break #germany #austria-czech #holocaust

Moriah Amit

Do you have Jewish ancestors from Germany or other German-speaking regions? If so, you're in luck! Next Tuesday (3/2) at 3:30 pm ET, tune into the Center for Jewish History's Facebook page for the next episode of Genealogy Coffee BreakThe Center's Moriah Amit will interview Michael Simonson, resident expert on German-Jewish genealogy at the Leo Baeck Institute, one of the Center's in-house partners. We welcome you to pose your questions to our guest and librarians during the live broadcast. There is no registration or log in. To join the live webinar, click "Follow" or "Like" on the top of the Center's Facebook page and a notification will pop up on your screen when the webinar goes live. Note: If the notification doesn't appear or if you don't have a Facebook account, you can still watch the webinar on our Facebook videos page once it goes live. Catch up on the entire series here.
Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Librarian, Center for Jewish History
New York, NY

Re: Old lineages #general

Lee Jaffe

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 02:53 AM, Ellen Lukas Kahn wrote:
How can one trace ancestors for whom an oral history has been handed down (without documentation) that their ancestors left Span during the inquisition?  How can one trace Jews who travelled between 1492 and 1685, the year they were first documented as living in western Germany?  That 200 year gap could be a combination of land or sea.

If you are asking this as a real-world, practical question (i.e., Is there a practical strategy for linking family turning up in German in 1685 with family reputably expelled from Spain in 1492?), I think I tried to cover that in my earlier post but I can try to be more explicit.  There seems to be a gap in the records available for a lot of Ashkenazi family lineages around 1700-1800 (based on repeated reports of lack of available records beyond those dates) that presents a significant hurdle to establishing such a link.  But we all came from someplace (or someones).   

And some of those someones are in fact well-documented.  I came across such a family tree, supported by a chain of evidence that establishes its lineage generation by generation.   I went through that family history from my purported (and eventually disproven) 4x ggmother Rachel Mayer (b.1760) back another 15 generations carefully and was skeptical but inclined to accept its authenticity.  I even deleted the tree and rebuilt in, double-checking each entry and supporting record, made some corrections, but came away satisfied that it was as accurate as I could hope for.  Imagine my disappointment when I discovered that the connection to my tree was highly suspect.  

The problem at the heart of your question (as I understand it) is joining the nearer end of that lineage to the latter end of mine (or anyone else who can't trace their trees further back than a few generations).  I was responding to the original post floating the provocative notion that most Jews can't trace their families past their grandparents.  Several responses seemed to be trying to make the case that deep family trees were fictional.    I wrote to refute both the "not past our grandparents" assertion and also take on the notion that there were no records to support "very long lineages." I had experience with such a lineage I could share, even though it wasn't mine. 

My entrance into this exchange, by way of analogy, is like reading someone claim that there are no red birds in California and I posted a photo of a Purple Finch perched on a CA 1 highway sign:  It doesn't make me an ornithologist.  And I'm not by any measure an expert in Sephardic genealogy and haven't managed to trace any of branch of my family tree back to a point where it connects to one of those "very old lineages."  But that doesn't mean the connection isn't there.  After all, it's worth repeating, we are all descended from someone and therefore belong to "very old lineages," whether on not we can document them, or even give them names.

Lee  Jaffe
Jaffe / Stein (Sztejnsapir) / Joroff (Zharov) / Schwartz (Schwarzstein/Schwarzman) / Weinblatt (Weinblot) / Braun / Malamud / Cohn / Ludwinoska/i / Rubin / Lubinski / Koshkin / Rappaport / Steel? / Brodowicz / Roterozen / Saperstein / Rutzki / Skazdubska / Zelmanow / Yos / Frank 



Re: Genealogical Revelations of Hungarian Jewish Families - First Volume Editor - Munkatchi #hungary


Subsequent to my question about the mis-named book above, I have had an opportunity to
confirm that it is in fact: Magyar Zsido Csaladok Genealogiaja.

Erno Munkacsi was the son of Bernat Munkacsi and they both authored 
Magyar Zsido Csaladok Genealogiaja, OR Genealogy of Hungarian Jewish Families,
which is the true name of the book in question:

Genealogical Revelations of Hungarian Jewish Families - First Volume Editor - Munkatchi
It's TRUE name is:

Magyar Zsido Csaladok Genealogiaja, or Genealogy of Magyar Jewish Families written by Munkacsi, Bernat and his son, Munkacsi, Erno.
It details specifically the MUNK and FELSENBURG Hungarian families.
My father is a distant relative of these families.

Erno is the author of "How it Happened....."  In my father's genealogy of the Sonnenschein's, he writes:
“Erno was attorney of the Jewish Congregation in Budapest.  During the critical year of 1944 he was one of those
Jewish leaders whose political acumen saved the lives of a good part of the Budapest Jewish community.”
There is criticism of Erno (e.g. in Wiki
but I believe my father.
Erno and the other leaders of the Budapest Judenrat did what they humanly could to save as many lives as possible.

My father's maternal family, Sonnenschein, are descendants of Chaile Felsenburg, Bernat's grandmother, and my father's great great grand aunt.  Chaile (1805 - 1851) married Bernat Munk.  Munk was Magyar-ized to Munkacsi; many Jewish families Magyar-ized their names.

I have the full PDF of Magyar Zsido Csaladok Genealogiaja.

I sent the original copy in my possession to the USHMM in 2017.
They have not included it in my father's archive, but his update is there:

Aviyah Farkas
Los Angeles, CA


Re: big city weddings in Orthodox families #lithuania #warsaw #general #hungary

Dan Nussbaum

For purposes of the Orthodox weddings that I have attended women were allowed down from the balcony but sat separate from the men, on the other side of the main aisle.

The bride was allowed on the bima, this one time only.

Daniel Nussbaum II, M.D., FAAP
Retired Developmental Pediatrician
Rochester, New York
Tone can be misinterpreted in email. Please read my words with warmth, kindness, and good intentions.

Searching for;
Nussbaum, Katzenstein, Mannheimer and Goldschmidt; Rhina, Raboldshausen and Bad Hersfeld, Germany
Teplitzky, Bendersky and Kaszkiet; Uman, Ukraine
Rosenthal and S(c)henk(el)man; Zinkov, Ukraine
Bild and Kashlevsky; anywhere

Iranian Jewish Culture Website # announcements #general

Jan Meisels Allen


A website has a 3-D tour in Farsi and English- not easy to navigate --as a home for Iranian Jewish heritage. Yousef Setareh-Shenas, nearly 15 years ago created the Persian-language online forum to preserve Iranian Jewish history. The site now contains nearly 40,000 photos, 400 biographies of prominent Iranians Jews, panoramic photos of all of Iran’s total 110 operational and defunct synagogues as well as photos of important Jewish sites like the tombs of Esther and Mordechai.


Likewise the site contains thousands of individual photos of Jewish headstones from Jewish cemeteries in Tehran and other Iranian cities. The site contains hundreds of pages about the community’s 2,700 year history as well as nearly 300 individual videos of Jewish sites throughout Iran, as well as interviews of older Iranian Jews speaking the older Judeo-Persian languages from their respective cities.


Iranian Jewish community leaders estimate that nearly 40,000 Iranian Jews live in Southern California, about 25,000 live in New York, roughly 100,00 Jews of full or partial Iranian origin live in Israel and only 5,000 to 8,000 Jews remain in Iran.


To read more see:


Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Re: Original personal name for USA Nettie #general


My mother's name was Nettie. Her name on her passenger list was Neche. That was her name in Belarus, but she evidently changed it in the U.S.A. as did all of her sisters who also had more Yiddish names.

Florence Gurwin

Chernigov Gubernia Translation Project Adds Family Lists from Novgorod Seversk 1888 #JewishGenUpdates #ukraine

Beth Galleto

Dear fellow researchers,

I am happy to announce that tax censuses (family lists) from the Novgorod Seversk uezd (district) in 1888 have now been translated and transcribed as part of the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project. The lists include 409 families composed of 2,582 individuals. Among these families there are 258 surnames, which I have extracted and attached to this email. The original pages can be seen online on the FamilySearch website in FHL film 1222347, item 11. 

Previously as part of this project we have translated tax censuses from the Borzna, Glukhov, Konotop, Mglin, Oster, and Starodub uezds in 1882, and from the Krolevets and Surazh uezds in 1888. The original books can be seen in FHL films 1222346 and 1222347.

This work is possible because of generous donations from so many who are interested in records from the former Chernigov gubernia. Those who donate $100 or more to the Chernigov Gubernia Document Translation Project on the JewishGen website are eligible to view the completed spreadsheets before they are uploaded to the website. Please contact me with proof of your donation if you want to see any of the spreadsheets as listed above. All donations of any size are appreciated and will continue to advance the project. You can donate through the following link:

Next to be translated on film 1222347 will be tax censuses from the Chernigov uezd, and then the Oster, Gorodnya, and Sosnitsa uezds in 1888.

The information from most of the previously translated spreadsheets has been uploaded to the JewishGen website. They can be searched by entering a surname in the JewishGen Unified Search. When the results page appears, click on those listed as "Ukraine Revision Lists". (The tax censuses are not actually revision lists, but they are similar enough to be categorized under this heading.)

I hope you are getting a lot of online genealogy research done while staying safe.

Best wishes,

Beth Galleto
Project Leader


Re: Chelmno - Fate of Buchbinder Family (6 Members) #lodz #poland


Many Buchbinder's  from Lodz listed in Yad Vashem

Also try Arolsen Archives - - Buchbinder listed there. 

JewishGen has information on the  JewishGen Holocaust list.

Dassy Wilen

Flohr, Schachter, Hirsch, Wilensky, Trembitsky

Re: Beware of email scam regarding genealogy #general

Lee Hover

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 09:59 AM, David wrote:
I looked at this & the language definitely sounds like one of the Nigerian types.  Do NOT respond to it.

Lacey WA