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request grave photo, budapest rakoskeresztur
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tom
if anyone would be kind enough to help me by taking a picture of my
grandfather's gravestone in the rakoskeresztur cemetery in budapest. i have the exact plot number, but in order to avoid duplication of effort, please email me for the details. thank you, ....... tom klein, toronto Moderator: Off-list responses, please. |
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a poem entitled "jiszgadal vejiszkadas"
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tom
many years ago, the hungarian jewish community here in toronto would
hold annual memorial services for the martyrs of the shoah. one of the most moving parts of the service was the beautiful recitation, by rabbi zagon, of a poem entitled "jiszgadal vejiszkadas". i remember very little of the poem itself, except that it was in hungarian, very emotional, and the refrain was "jiszgadal vejiszkadas". i have tried looking for it online, with no success. (although my spelling may be incorrect.) does anyone recognize this? ....... tom klein, toronto |
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Hungary SIG #Hungary request grave photo, budapest rakoskeresztur
#hungary
tom
if anyone would be kind enough to help me by taking a picture of my
grandfather's gravestone in the rakoskeresztur cemetery in budapest. i have the exact plot number, but in order to avoid duplication of effort, please email me for the details. thank you, ....... tom klein, toronto Moderator: Off-list responses, please. |
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Hungary SIG #Hungary a poem entitled "jiszgadal vejiszkadas"
#hungary
tom
many years ago, the hungarian jewish community here in toronto would
hold annual memorial services for the martyrs of the shoah. one of the most moving parts of the service was the beautiful recitation, by rabbi zagon, of a poem entitled "jiszgadal vejiszkadas". i remember very little of the poem itself, except that it was in hungarian, very emotional, and the refrain was "jiszgadal vejiszkadas". i have tried looking for it online, with no success. (although my spelling may be incorrect.) does anyone recognize this? ....... tom klein, toronto |
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Aranyalbum again
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kolamcg@...
Dear All,
Amos Zezmer has just made me aware of the fact that there was one edition of the Aranyalbum in 1940 and one in 1941. (Thank you, Amos) I have the 1940 one. What must have happened was that once the book was published in 1940, people who were not included rushed to the editors in great numbers telling them they had also fought in the war. So they were added to the book and the book was published again in 1941. Radix of course has got the names >from the 1941 edition. So this is the reason why I have not found several people I have been looking for in my own book. Kind regards, Andras Koltai Budapest, Hungary |
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Aranyalbum again
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kolamcg@...
Dear All,
Amos Zezmer has just made me aware of the fact that there was one edition of the Aranyalbum in 1940 and one in 1941. (Thank you, Amos) I have the 1940 one. What must have happened was that once the book was published in 1940, people who were not included rushed to the editors in great numbers telling them they had also fought in the war. So they were added to the book and the book was published again in 1941. Radix of course has got the names >from the 1941 edition. So this is the reason why I have not found several people I have been looking for in my own book. Kind regards, Andras Koltai Budapest, Hungary |
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Re: Aranyalbum
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tom
unless i misunderstood, the radix website also offers copies of the
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records that are indexed, for a fee. would anyone know if this includes copies >from this book? or, more generally, has anyone used the radix website to obtain actual records? (its indexing is great, and most of the site is free to use.) ....... tom klein, toronto kolamcg@... wrote: |
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Aranyalbum
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tom
unless i misunderstood, the radix website also offers copies of the
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records that are indexed, for a fee. would anyone know if this includes copies >from this book? or, more generally, has anyone used the radix website to obtain actual records? (its indexing is great, and most of the site is free to use.) ....... tom klein, toronto kolamcg@... wrote: |
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Re: Zsidok Aranyalbuma
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Amos Israel Zezmer
I believe that there were two editions of this book: 1940 and 1941.
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The 1940 edition features photographs of the Jews mentioned therein, while the 1941 edition does not. Therefore, of greater interest to us all, I assume, would be the 1940 edition. Amos ZEZMER Yerres, France On 05-Jul-11 07:57, Vivian Kahn wrote:
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Aranyalbuma
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erikagottfried@...
In the U.S., libraries that hold copies of the "Aranyalbuma" include the
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Library of Congress, Yeshiva University, and Harvard. Also, in searching for it in Worldcat (the unified online catalog of research libraries at http://www.worldcat.org/), I found reference to another work, on the same or related subject: A Magyar Zsidó Hadi Archívum Almanachja 1914-1916. (Jewish heroes of World War 1 with literary articles, documents and artistic content, many illustrations. ) Editors: Hevesi Simon-Polnay Jenõ-Patai József. Budapest, 1916. 160 p.) which is also in Yeshiva U's library. - Erika Gottfried Teaneck, NJ -----Original Message-----
From: H-SIG digest [mailto:h-sig@...] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:04 AM To: h-sig digest recipients Subject: h-sig digest: July 04, 2011 H-SIG Digest for Monday, July 04, 2011. 1. Aranyalbuma ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aranyalbuma From: bethlong3@... Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 00:07:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Message-Number: 1 TThe "Aranyalbuma" is available at the library of the Hungarian Military Museum here in Budapest. It may also be available at the Library of Congress in the U.S. (I have not checked the catalog myself). The Sepsiszentgyorgy page of the book is does appear in the book "Zsidok Haromszeken" by Feder Zoltan. However, there is no Markus(z) mentioned on it. Beth Long Budapest --- On Sun, 7/3/11, tom <tomk@...> wrote: From: tom <tomk@...> Subject: Re:[h-sig] Re: MARKUS Dezso, Hadnagy To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...> Date: Sunday, July 3, 2011, 6:53 PM i believe that this book was mentioned a few times in the jewishgen and h-sig list, as far back as 2000. it was published in 1940, presumably as a "reminder" of the jewish community's patriotism. there is a mention of a copy at yad vashem. i'm not aware of any source that might have it available online (mek.oszk.hu, which has the "magyar zsido lexikon", would be my first suspect, but ic ouldn't find it there). i think it might be an interesting project to either scan it or even just to index it, and maybe jewishgen could be persuaded to host it. (copyrights permitting.) tom klein, toronto In the U.S., libraries that hold copies of the "Aranyalbuma" include the Library of Congress, Yeshiva University, and Harvard. Also, in searching = for it in Worldcat (the unified online catalog of research libraries at http://www.worldcat.org/), I found reference to another work, on the = same or related subject: A Magyar Zsido Hadi Archivum Almanachja 1914-1916. = (Jewish heroes of World War 1 with literary articles, documents and artistic content, many illustrations. ) Editors: Hevesi Simon-Polnay Jen=F5-Patai J=F3zsef. Budapest, 1916. 160 p.) which is also in Yeshiva U's library. - Erika Gottfried Teaneck, NJ -----Original Message----- From: H-SIG digest [mailto:h-sig@...]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:04 AM To: h-sig digest recipients Subject: h-sig digest: July 04, 2011 H-SIG Digest for Monday, July 04, 2011. 1. Aranyalbuma ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aranyalbuma From: bethlong3@... Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 00:07:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Message-Number: 1 TThe "Aranyalbuma" is available at the library of the Hungarian Military Museum here in Budapest. It may also be available at the Library of Congress in the U.S. (I have not checked the catalog myself). The Sepsiszentgyorgy page of the book is does appear in the book "Zsidok Haromszeken" by Feder Zoltan.=20 However, there is no Markus(z) mentioned on it. Beth Long Budapest --- On Sun, 7/3/11, tom <tomk@...> wrote: From: tom <tomk@...> Subject: Re:[h-sig] Re: MARKUS Dezso, Hadnagy To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...> Date: Sunday, July 3, 2011, 6:53 PM i believe that this book was mentioned a few=20 times in the jewishgen and h-sig list, as far=20 back as 2000. it was published in 1940,=20 presumably as a "reminder" of the jewish=20 community's patriotism. there is a mention of a copy at yad vashem. i'm not aware of any source that might have it=20 available online (mek.oszk.hu, which has the=20 "magyar zsido lexikon", would be my first=20 suspect, but ic ouldn't find it there). i think=20 it might be an interesting project to either scan=20 it or even just to index it, and maybe jewishgen=20 could be persuaded to host it. (copyrights=20 permitting.) tom klein, toronto Moderator: Some words in above message were in accented fonts, which may not be legible to all subscribers. |
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Aranyalbuma
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erikagottfried@...
In the U.S., libraries that hold copies of the "Aranyalbuma" include the
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Library of Congress, Yeshiva University, and Harvard. Also, in searching for it in Worldcat (the unified online catalog of research libraries at http://www.worldcat.org/), I found reference to another work, on the same or related subject: A Magyar Zsidó Hadi Archívum Almanachja 1914-1916. (Jewish heroes of World War 1 with literary articles, documents and artistic content, many illustrations. ) Editors: Hevesi Simon-Polnay Jenõ-Patai József. Budapest, 1916. 160 p.) which is also in Yeshiva U's library. - Erika Gottfried Teaneck, NJ -----Original Message-----
From: H-SIG digest [mailto:h-sig@...] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:04 AM To: h-sig digest recipients Subject: h-sig digest: July 04, 2011 H-SIG Digest for Monday, July 04, 2011. 1. Aranyalbuma ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aranyalbuma From: bethlong3@... Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 00:07:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Message-Number: 1 TThe "Aranyalbuma" is available at the library of the Hungarian Military Museum here in Budapest. It may also be available at the Library of Congress in the U.S. (I have not checked the catalog myself). The Sepsiszentgyorgy page of the book is does appear in the book "Zsidok Haromszeken" by Feder Zoltan. However, there is no Markus(z) mentioned on it. Beth Long Budapest --- On Sun, 7/3/11, tom <tomk@...> wrote: From: tom <tomk@...> Subject: Re:[h-sig] Re: MARKUS Dezso, Hadnagy To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...> Date: Sunday, July 3, 2011, 6:53 PM i believe that this book was mentioned a few times in the jewishgen and h-sig list, as far back as 2000. it was published in 1940, presumably as a "reminder" of the jewish community's patriotism. there is a mention of a copy at yad vashem. i'm not aware of any source that might have it available online (mek.oszk.hu, which has the "magyar zsido lexikon", would be my first suspect, but ic ouldn't find it there). i think it might be an interesting project to either scan it or even just to index it, and maybe jewishgen could be persuaded to host it. (copyrights permitting.) tom klein, toronto In the U.S., libraries that hold copies of the "Aranyalbuma" include the Library of Congress, Yeshiva University, and Harvard. Also, in searching = for it in Worldcat (the unified online catalog of research libraries at http://www.worldcat.org/), I found reference to another work, on the = same or related subject: A Magyar Zsido Hadi Archivum Almanachja 1914-1916. = (Jewish heroes of World War 1 with literary articles, documents and artistic content, many illustrations. ) Editors: Hevesi Simon-Polnay Jen=F5-Patai J=F3zsef. Budapest, 1916. 160 p.) which is also in Yeshiva U's library. - Erika Gottfried Teaneck, NJ -----Original Message----- From: H-SIG digest [mailto:h-sig@...]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:04 AM To: h-sig digest recipients Subject: h-sig digest: July 04, 2011 H-SIG Digest for Monday, July 04, 2011. 1. Aranyalbuma ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aranyalbuma From: bethlong3@... Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 00:07:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Message-Number: 1 TThe "Aranyalbuma" is available at the library of the Hungarian Military Museum here in Budapest. It may also be available at the Library of Congress in the U.S. (I have not checked the catalog myself). The Sepsiszentgyorgy page of the book is does appear in the book "Zsidok Haromszeken" by Feder Zoltan.=20 However, there is no Markus(z) mentioned on it. Beth Long Budapest --- On Sun, 7/3/11, tom <tomk@...> wrote: From: tom <tomk@...> Subject: Re:[h-sig] Re: MARKUS Dezso, Hadnagy To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...> Date: Sunday, July 3, 2011, 6:53 PM i believe that this book was mentioned a few=20 times in the jewishgen and h-sig list, as far=20 back as 2000. it was published in 1940,=20 presumably as a "reminder" of the jewish=20 community's patriotism. there is a mention of a copy at yad vashem. i'm not aware of any source that might have it=20 available online (mek.oszk.hu, which has the=20 "magyar zsido lexikon", would be my first=20 suspect, but ic ouldn't find it there). i think=20 it might be an interesting project to either scan=20 it or even just to index it, and maybe jewishgen=20 could be persuaded to host it. (copyrights=20 permitting.) tom klein, toronto Moderator: Some words in above message were in accented fonts, which may not be legible to all subscribers. |
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Zsidok Aranyalbuma
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Amos Israel Zezmer
I believe that there were two editions of this book: 1940 and 1941.
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The 1940 edition features photographs of the Jews mentioned therein, while the 1941 edition does not. Therefore, of greater interest to us all, I assume, would be the 1940 edition. Amos ZEZMER Yerres, France On 05-Jul-11 07:57, Vivian Kahn wrote:
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Harry Houdini/Erik Weisz
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mimi simon
Hello,
I wonder if any of those wonderful genius-alogists can help me with a family mystery. Family lore has it that Harry HOUDINI was a cousin of my pgf's. Supposedly, he would stay with my pgf's sister, Lena Weiss GOTTLIEB, in McKeesport, PA whenever he was performing in Pittsburgh. A second cousin (once removed) of mine has done extensive research on HH and his father, Rabbi Mayer SAMUEL (or Samuel MAYER) but removed them >from our tree because she couldn't prove the connection. I decided to check out the Carnegie Mellon digitization of the Jewish papers in the Pittsburgh area and discovered something that I believe confirms that there is, indeed, a connection. On one occasion, HH and his wife and his brother Nathan >from NYC were entertained by Mr. and Mrs. GOLDMAN of McKeesport. It turns out that Mrs. G. was Lena WEISS, the niece of my pgf and Lena GOTTLIEB. This visit is probably where the family legend arose even though it was the wrong Lena. However, there seems to be no reason other than a family relationship for them to go out to McKeesport for dinner or whatever the entertaining consisted of. To muddy the waters further, a third cousin >from my maternal side whose name is GOTTLIEB, claims a connection to HH and a friend, whose grandmother's name was Jennie WEISS claims a connection. Did everyone named Weiss or Gottlieb think they were related to HH and wherein lies the truth? My cousin has done extensive searching but was unable to determine if HH should be in our tree. Can anyone suggest avenues to search? HH, was born in Budapest, and our WEISS family is Hungarian, although >from Ordarma/Jovra (now Storozhnitsa, UKR) next to Ungvar (now Uzhgorod, UKR). The father's name was Moshe, the siblings were Joseph (my pgf), Jacob, Bernath, Lena, Fani, and Batya. Thank you for any help you may be able to provide. Please reply privately. Regards, Mimi (Weiss) Simon Teaneck, NJ |
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Harry Houdini/Erik Weisz
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mimi simon
Hello,
I wonder if any of those wonderful genius-alogists can help me with a family mystery. Family lore has it that Harry HOUDINI was a cousin of my pgf's. Supposedly, he would stay with my pgf's sister, Lena Weiss GOTTLIEB, in McKeesport, PA whenever he was performing in Pittsburgh. A second cousin (once removed) of mine has done extensive research on HH and his father, Rabbi Mayer SAMUEL (or Samuel MAYER) but removed them >from our tree because she couldn't prove the connection. I decided to check out the Carnegie Mellon digitization of the Jewish papers in the Pittsburgh area and discovered something that I believe confirms that there is, indeed, a connection. On one occasion, HH and his wife and his brother Nathan >from NYC were entertained by Mr. and Mrs. GOLDMAN of McKeesport. It turns out that Mrs. G. was Lena WEISS, the niece of my pgf and Lena GOTTLIEB. This visit is probably where the family legend arose even though it was the wrong Lena. However, there seems to be no reason other than a family relationship for them to go out to McKeesport for dinner or whatever the entertaining consisted of. To muddy the waters further, a third cousin >from my maternal side whose name is GOTTLIEB, claims a connection to HH and a friend, whose grandmother's name was Jennie WEISS claims a connection. Did everyone named Weiss or Gottlieb think they were related to HH and wherein lies the truth? My cousin has done extensive searching but was unable to determine if HH should be in our tree. Can anyone suggest avenues to search? HH, was born in Budapest, and our WEISS family is Hungarian, although >from Ordarma/Jovra (now Storozhnitsa, UKR) next to Ungvar (now Uzhgorod, UKR). The father's name was Moshe, the siblings were Joseph (my pgf), Jacob, Bernath, Lena, Fani, and Batya. Thank you for any help you may be able to provide. Please reply privately. Regards, Mimi (Weiss) Simon Teaneck, NJ |
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Re: Aranyalbuma
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rjfriedman@...
This book was published in at least two *different* editions, the
first in 1940 and the second in 1941. A couple of European libraries have also cataloged the title with a 1942 publication date, but I cannot verify whether there is really a third edition or not. According to WorldCat: The 1940 edition can be found in the U.S. at Yeshiva U., Library of Congress, and U. of Illinois. The 1941 edition can be found at Harvard. The National Library of Israel has both 1940 and 1941 editions. The Bavarian State Library has cataloged editions >from 1941 and 1942. Other libraries in Europe also have various editions. I have the 1941 book in my own personal library collection. A researcher once emailed me a barely legible scan of a particular page, which he later informed me was >from the 1940 edition, and asked if I could provide a better copy. When I looked up the page number, it was a completely different page; the image I was looking for did not appear anywhere in my book. This discrepancy led me to realize that the 1940 & 1941 editions were not identical. I'm willing to bring my copy to the IAJGS conference in DC next month, so that between the Resource Room & the Library of Congress there would be access to both editions. Bob Friedman Brooklyn, NY On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 02:53:04 -0700 (PDT), Andras Koltai wrote: =20 somebody in it is a nightmare. First it lists people according to =cities, but=20 then there are another few thousand names mostly, but only mostly in=20I check=20 the name first in this (alphabetical) database. If I find it there, I =check the=20 book....Still - just a few weeks ago I was looking for 2 people who are=20On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 22:57:49 -0700, Vivian Kahn wrote: It appears that much of the published information about Jewish service =20On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:07:31 -0700 (PDT), Beth Long wrote: TThe "Aranyalbuma" is available at the library of the Hungarian Military=Museum here in Budapest. Haromszeken" by Feder Zoltan.=20 However, there is no Markus(z) mentioned on it. |
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Aranyalbuma
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rjfriedman@...
This book was published in at least two *different* editions, the
first in 1940 and the second in 1941. A couple of European libraries have also cataloged the title with a 1942 publication date, but I cannot verify whether there is really a third edition or not. According to WorldCat: The 1940 edition can be found in the U.S. at Yeshiva U., Library of Congress, and U. of Illinois. The 1941 edition can be found at Harvard. The National Library of Israel has both 1940 and 1941 editions. The Bavarian State Library has cataloged editions >from 1941 and 1942. Other libraries in Europe also have various editions. I have the 1941 book in my own personal library collection. A researcher once emailed me a barely legible scan of a particular page, which he later informed me was >from the 1940 edition, and asked if I could provide a better copy. When I looked up the page number, it was a completely different page; the image I was looking for did not appear anywhere in my book. This discrepancy led me to realize that the 1940 & 1941 editions were not identical. I'm willing to bring my copy to the IAJGS conference in DC next month, so that between the Resource Room & the Library of Congress there would be access to both editions. Bob Friedman Brooklyn, NY On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 02:53:04 -0700 (PDT), Andras Koltai wrote: =20 somebody in it is a nightmare. First it lists people according to =cities, but=20 then there are another few thousand names mostly, but only mostly in=20I check=20 the name first in this (alphabetical) database. If I find it there, I =check the=20 book....Still - just a few weeks ago I was looking for 2 people who are=20On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 22:57:49 -0700, Vivian Kahn wrote: It appears that much of the published information about Jewish service =20On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:07:31 -0700 (PDT), Beth Long wrote: TThe "Aranyalbuma" is available at the library of the Hungarian Military=Museum here in Budapest. Haromszeken" by Feder Zoltan.=20 However, there is no Markus(z) mentioned on it. |
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Re: How would you pronounce this name? Thank you
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Mark London <mrl@...>
Thanks for all the responses! Apparently there are several names spelled
that way, because people are giving me different responses. Perhaps that's why another genealogist in my family, had several alternate english spellings written down for his name. I will go with Nuta, because the immigration record for his daughter, claimed the father's name was Nute. It's still new one for me! On a gravestone, a relative's father's name is spelled Nun Tet Ayin.Mark London Natick, MA |
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How would you pronounce this name? Thank you
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Mark London <mrl@...>
Thanks for all the responses! Apparently there are several names spelled
that way, because people are giving me different responses. Perhaps that's why another genealogist in my family, had several alternate english spellings written down for his name. I will go with Nuta, because the immigration record for his daughter, claimed the father's name was Nute. It's still new one for me! On a gravestone, a relative's father's name is spelled Nun Tet Ayin.Mark London Natick, MA |
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Thank You/GOLDMAN- Bayonne, NJ
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Sarah Lotten
Thank you to everyone who responded to my request. As always, you were all
very helpful.I am hopeful now that I will be able to get the information I need. Sarah Rebecca Levinson Montrose, PA, USA |
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank You/GOLDMAN- Bayonne, NJ
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Sarah Lotten
Thank you to everyone who responded to my request. As always, you were all
very helpful.I am hopeful now that I will be able to get the information I need. Sarah Rebecca Levinson Montrose, PA, USA |
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