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Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Jeffrey Herrmann
 

I asked for evidence that Geni is producing progressively more accurate genealogies rather than progressively more inaccurate ones, as the anecdotal evidence of these posts suggests.  Being told that this discussion is like a “religious war” does not advance the search for truth.
Jeffrey Herrmann


Diosad Birth Index from 1867 shown in JewishGen - Tracing the Source #romania #hungary

Yaron Wolfsthal
 

Dear Group,
In JewishGen (under "Hungarian Births") I see this index for this 1867 birth , registered in the town of Diosad, district of Zilah, Country of Szilagy.
The source film is said to be in the Romanian National Archives in Zalau.  

                Advice appreciated - where/how can find the source record? Is it scanned anywhere (e.g LDS)?

Many thanks - Yaron Wolfsthal, Israel


Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Max Heffler
 

This is a “religious” war – much like politics and religion. We have made up our mind about what works for us and nobody will be able to “convert” us – either side - just like politics and religion…

 

From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of E. Randol Schoenberg via groups.jewishgen.org
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 6:56 PM
To: main@...
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

 

Aubrey, let me know where I can see a superior genealogical tree to what we have on Geni. Many of us who know much more about genealogy than you do are very satisfied working there. 

In fact, to your specific point about the propagation of errors, Geni is actually the best platform to combat those.  By forcing people to work collaboratively (rather than on their own, in ignorance of their own mistakes), Geni allows for the discovery and correction of errors.  It is one of the great ironies that this feature is often misunderstood to be evidence of a problem.  To the contrary, the Geni tree is, almost by definition, far more accurate and complete than any other tree because mistakes are never "propagated" in the manner that you are used to seeing on Ancestry, MyHeritage and other places where people keep private trees.

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Max Heffler
Houston, TX
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HEFFLER(Ukraine)/TIRAS(Poland)/WASSEMAN(Lithuania)/MOORE(Poland)/ZLOT(Lithuania)
GORENSTEIN(Ukraine)/FLEISCHMAN(Latvia)/GOLDEN(Lithuania)


Re: 1940 US Census problem #records #usa

RichardWerbin
 

Richard,
Did you scan to the end of the ED which should have had the address you were searching for? You have to go through every sheet of the ED.
Standard practice for census enumerators was to return to an address if they had missed someone after they finished the ED. They recorded what they found near the end of the records.

Having said that, I can't find my maternal grandparents in the 1930 Census. I found them in Brooklyn on President St. in 1925 and at the same address in 1940. I looked through the entire 1930 ED and do not see that address. Sometimes addresses were missed in the Census.

The bad news for the 2020 Census is that they expect to miss 20% of the population because of the way they are doing the Census now. It was done by mail, online and maybe finally sometimes by an enumerator visiting the household. They also are asking for a minimum amount of information for each household resident. Nothing like the details they asked in 1920 or 1930.
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Richard Werbin    New York, New York     JGSNY Membership Vice President


Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

Aubrey, let me know where I can see a superior genealogical tree to what we have on Geni. Many of us who know much more about genealogy than you do are very satisfied working there. 

In fact, to your specific point about the propagation of errors, Geni is actually the best platform to combat those.  By forcing people to work collaboratively (rather than on their own, in ignorance of their own mistakes), Geni allows for the discovery and correction of errors.  It is one of the great ironies that this feature is often misunderstood to be evidence of a problem.  To the contrary, the Geni tree is, almost by definition, far more accurate and complete than any other tree because mistakes are never "propagated" in the manner that you are used to seeing on Ancestry, MyHeritage and other places where people keep private trees.


Re: 1940 US Census problem #records #usa

Cheryl Lynn Blum
 

The same with my father and his parents in Manhattan. I know they were there in 1940 but they are not listed in the Census. I assume the enumerator somehow missed them. The Cross Bronx wasn't started until the early 1950s so it wouldn't have affected any Bronx addresses. You can Google "Bronx Municipal Tax Photos 1940" and search the address so at least you can see the building.


Re: Recommendations for Russian translation service? #translation

Barbara Algaze
 

I have found on the October 26 JewishGen Digest five or six Russian documents, posted on View Mate, translated in depth by  ryabinkym@...

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:33 AM, <ryabinkym@...> wrote:
Michael Ryabinky You might want to contact him directly.
Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California


Nov. 3: CJH Genealogy Coffee Break #announcements #events

Moriah Amit
 

Next Tuesday (11/3) at 3:30 pm ET, tune into the Center for Jewish History's Facebook page for the next episode of Genealogy Coffee Break. Our genealogy librarian, J.D. Arden, and guest speaker, Ilya Slavutskiy from Rutgers University, will discuss the meaning and significance of pogroms in Jewish history. To join the live webinar, click "Follow" on the top of the Center's Facebook page and a notification will pop up on your screen when the webinar goes live. Note: If the notification doesn't appear, you can also find the webinar on our Facebook videos page once it goes live. Catch up on the entire series here

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Moriah Amit
Senior Genealogy Librarian, Center for Jewish History
New York, NY
mamit@...


Re: Recommendations for Russian translation service? #translation

Teewinot
 

Facebook has two groups: "Tracing the Tribe" and "Genealogical
Translations."

Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida


On 10/30/2020 12:33 PM, Barbara Algaze wrote:
*From:* Yana Semenyuk <yana.semenyuk.v@...
<mailto:yana.semenyuk.v@...>>
*Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2020

Do you know any forums where people need a translator from Russian to
English for documents like this? I would love to join and participate in
discussions.

Barbara Algaze  <Algaze3@... <mailto:Algaze3@...> >

Yana is a member of the LDS Church who served a mission in Los Angeles.
She helped our JGS members with translations from Russian to English.
She has returned to Russia and sent the (above) message.
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Re: 1940 US Census problem #records #usa

David Oseas
 

Richard,

If she was in the same location in 1940 as she was in 1930, try searching the 1940 census for her neighbors (particularly those with uncommon names).   If you can't find any of them in 1940, there is a good chance that the block or apartment building was missed during enumeration.

Regards,
David Oseas


Re: Is there a repository of names of people who can assist with getting local records? #general #records

Sally Bruckheimer
 

In my experience, Jewishgen is a great source. People have contacted me about things in the area of my signature at the time, and I have gotten them stuff.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Re: 1940 US Census problem #records #usa

Deanna Levinsky
 

I don't know if the area in the Bronx that you're searching fits but the Cross Bronx Expressway obliterated large areas of apartment housing
If you can compare her location from right after WWII and around 1950 when they started working on the road it might help you
Deanna Levinsky
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Deanna M. Levinsky, Long Island, NY


Re: Looking for Herman/Hyman Wayler on ships manifest #general #lithuania

Sherri Bobish
 


Barbara,

SteveMorse's search pages are the gold standard for flexible name searching.  Ancestry has a good soundex search capability on both first names and surnames.  On FamilySearch if you do not tick the "exact" box than it does a more flexible search, however in my opinion the Ancestry soundex search is better.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Recommendations for Russian translation service? #translation

Barbara Algaze
 

From: Yana Semenyuk <yana.semenyuk.v@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020

Do you know any forums where people need a translator from Russian to English for documents like this? I would love to join and participate in discussions.

Barbara Algaze  <Algaze3@... >

 

Yana is a member of the LDS Church who served a mission in Los Angeles.  She helped our JGS members with translations from Russian to English. She has returned to Russia and sent the (above) message.


1940 US Census problem #records #usa

Richard Stower
 

I am having difficulty finding a 1940 census sheet for my grandmother. I have her listed with her family in the 1910, 1920, 1930 censuses. I used Steve Morse's site to get the ED and went through several sheets of the street where she lived but nothing for the particular address of her apartment in the Bronx, NY. I suppose it is possible that a portion of the block was never surveyed but....I have tried the National Archives site directly without any luck. Done the Ancestry search as well.

Any suggestions?

Thank you.

Richard Stower
Yarmouth, Maine

Researching: SECHESTOWER, SPIERMAN THAU, GRAFF in Kolomyya; GROSS, FELLNER in Chortkiv; KANNER, SCHMIDT, WERNER in Dobrowa Tarnowska.


Re: Geni Family Trees - Privacy and Baptism Concerns #general

Eva Lawrence
 

The point about damaging people's lives by posting their details on a public geneaogy site is a valid one,  I feel that everyone should respect the privacy of the present and the recet past  simply out of good manners. 
However  one has to accept that genealogy is an old person's pursuit   Currently my family have other interests and lead busy lives of their own  - this idea of any grandchild making eager notes at  their grandfather''s  knee is a fary tale from the days of the Grimm brothers, when people couldn't  retire behind  separate phones for entertainment.  

I''m lucky enough to have accumulated  a great deal of genealogical material, and to have the space to store it,  Some of it was even collected  a great-uncle,  two generations ago.. It wasn''t of great interest to me before I retired, and will be completely meaningless to the next generation, who don't know the language and have no time at all for it now..Of course the stories are more interesing than the dates and the relationships, but ithe dates aupply authenticity to the stories.

So  I post on Geni is in order to leave the backbone of the research available for my grandsons to stumble upon online, when perhaps they retire and wish that their mother hadn't put all my files in the, recycling bin as she currently threatens to do,.. Modern families, in England, at least, don't have the same luxury of space as the previous generations.
What's more, I was able to pass on the nub of  my late father's notes and my own research to interested members of two different family branches that moved to America over 100 years ago.   What  amounted to fascinating family gossip,  but was also a small contribution to Jewish history,  would have been lost withour a website facilitating  online contact.
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Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Translation Request - Polish (From Preny/Prienai, Lithuania) #lithuania #translation

Simon Zelman
 

I would really appreciate a translation of this marriage record for my ancestors Lejzor [FLESER] and Frejda [GIELCOWSKA] from 1826. Thank you!

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/response_arch.asp?key=79306

Best,
Simon Zelman
San Francisco, CA


Beth David Cemetery. Elmont, Queens NY #photographs #usa

A. E. Jordan
 

I am going to be visiting Beth David to do some photos on Sunday weather permitting.
 
I would be happy to try and assist with requests, but this is a challenging cemetery.  They do not have a public database.
 
Please I need names, dates, locations including society name and it helps if you can call the office and get not only the block number for the plot but also which street it faces.
 
I am happy to try but please no generic I think this person is there requests.
 
Happy to answer questions as well. I do appreciate but do not require a few dollars in return... I just had to buy a new camera to do these requests.
 
Hope I can help a few people to get some photos before winter sets in here in the northeast ... but the forecast for Sunday is cold and raw. I will work till the rain starts Sunday afternoon.
 
Allan Jordan
New York
aejordan @ aol . com
 


This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #yizkorbooks #poland

Bruce Drake
 

Once the Germans were routed in World War 2, many Jews who weathered the Nazi storm hiding in bunkers, or in the forests or who had sheltered in other countries began to make their way back to the towns they were forced to flee. They did so with a range of expectations and emotions: the hopes of seeing a familiar face or place that still stood, and of making a life again in the town in which they were raised.
“Tarnogrod’s Surviving Remnant” from the Yizkor book of that Polish town captures this sense of longing and the realities Jews faced when they emerged from their hiding places or came home. Many hoped that the shtetl would once again become a Jewish settlement.
Those hopes were soon dashed. The enmity and anti-Semitism of Poles who did not want to see a return of the Jews made itself felt through violence and expropriation of Jewish houses and shops. Jews were robbed and told to leave on pain of death. “It appeared that the Tarnogrod Jews' attachment to their town was so strong that even after the night of attack by bandits some families remained, thinking that the danger would pass,” wrote Nachum Krymerkopf in this chapter. But “in 1946, when the last victims … were murdered by the Polish bandits, not one Jew dared to stay in Tarnogrod.”


Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD

Researching: DRACH, KIMMEL, EBERT, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


Re: Is there a repository of names of people who can assist with getting local records? #general #records

Ellen
 

Rick,

There is the website Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness (RAOGK), which has been around for a long time - raogk.org

The purpose of this site is to help others obtain copies of documents, pictures of tombstones, etc., that can not be obtained easily by those who do not live in the area of their ancestors.
Another alternative is to conduct the local Jewish Genealogical Society.  To find a society, visit https://www.iajgs.org/membership/member-societies/
 
Ellen

Ellen Morosoff Pemrick 
Saratoga County, NY

Researching WEISSMAN/VAYSMAN (Ostropol, Ukraine); MOROZ and ESTRIN/ESTERKIN (Shklov & Bykhov, Belarus); LESSER/LESZEROVITZ, MAIMAN, and BARNETT/BEINHART/BERNHART (Lithuania/Latvia); and ROSENSWEIG/ROSENZWEIG, KIRSCHEN, and SCHWARTZ (Botosani, Romania)