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Obituary Source - Massachusetts #general

lcantor.org <lincan@...>
 

I found an interesting source of information about deaths in Massachusetts
at http://www.schlossbergchapel.com/schloss_archives.html. This is the
website of Schlossberg and Solomon, an undertaker in Canton, MA.

I assume that it only contains information about burials that they handled,
but might prove to be helpful if you had family living on suburban Boston's
South Shore. I found information about several family members.

Linda Cantor
New York City
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Obituary Source - Massachusetts #general

lcantor.org <lincan@...>
 

I found an interesting source of information about deaths in Massachusetts
at http://www.schlossbergchapel.com/schloss_archives.html. This is the
website of Schlossberg and Solomon, an undertaker in Canton, MA.

I assume that it only contains information about burials that they handled,
but might prove to be helpful if you had family living on suburban Boston's
South Shore. I found information about several family members.

Linda Cantor
New York City
Re: mystery photos; one from Hungary/Slovakia; two from Lodz #general

tom
 

This definitely looks like a studio portrait, and would likely have
had the name and address of the photographer printed on the back,
and possibly the date as well (in order to facilitate reprints,
which were the bread and butter of the photographers).

Most photographs were taken in a studio, because cameras and lighting
were heavy and cumbersome, and the photographer would supply the props,
including furniture, and sometimes even fancy clothing. (We have a
fanciful portrait or two in our family that we know were not realistic,
for example.)

So it's hard to draw conclusions about the subjects, except that the
portrait was an acceptable way for people of that time and place to be
portrayed.

....... tom klein, toronto

Debbie Long <d_long@mindspring.com> wrote:

1. Can you advise me about the significance of the attire of the two
elderly people in the photo at

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=16300

They are likely to be my Hungarian great-great-grandparents, but they
were >from an area that is now called Selmeczb¡nya),Slovakia. Does their
attire reflect Jewish custom at the time?
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: mystery photos; one from Hungary/Slovakia; two from Lodz #general

tom
 

This definitely looks like a studio portrait, and would likely have
had the name and address of the photographer printed on the back,
and possibly the date as well (in order to facilitate reprints,
which were the bread and butter of the photographers).

Most photographs were taken in a studio, because cameras and lighting
were heavy and cumbersome, and the photographer would supply the props,
including furniture, and sometimes even fancy clothing. (We have a
fanciful portrait or two in our family that we know were not realistic,
for example.)

So it's hard to draw conclusions about the subjects, except that the
portrait was an acceptable way for people of that time and place to be
portrayed.

....... tom klein, toronto

Debbie Long <d_long@mindspring.com> wrote:

1. Can you advise me about the significance of the attire of the two
elderly people in the photo at

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=16300

They are likely to be my Hungarian great-great-grandparents, but they
were >from an area that is now called Selmeczb¡nya),Slovakia. Does their
attire reflect Jewish custom at the time?
Examination at Ellis Island #general

Martin Jacobs <marjacobs1@...>
 

While we are on the subject of Ellis Island, does anyone know if first class
passengers were exempt >from the examinations and interrogations the other
passengers underwent? There is a story in my family that the family bought my
grandmother a first class ticket because she was sickly and they thought she
would not pass the medical exam. Yet she appears along with her (adult)
children (one of them my father) on the ship's manifest, and they were not, as
far as I know, first class passengers.

Martin Jacobs
Brooklyn, NY
JAKUBOVITS, FRIED >from Sobrance and Ubrez, Slovakia and Serednye, Ukraine;
PERKAL, FERKEL, KAPLAN >from Goworowo, Poland
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Examination at Ellis Island #general

Martin Jacobs <marjacobs1@...>
 

While we are on the subject of Ellis Island, does anyone know if first class
passengers were exempt >from the examinations and interrogations the other
passengers underwent? There is a story in my family that the family bought my
grandmother a first class ticket because she was sickly and they thought she
would not pass the medical exam. Yet she appears along with her (adult)
children (one of them my father) on the ship's manifest, and they were not, as
far as I know, first class passengers.

Martin Jacobs
Brooklyn, NY
JAKUBOVITS, FRIED >from Sobrance and Ubrez, Slovakia and Serednye, Ukraine;
PERKAL, FERKEL, KAPLAN >from Goworowo, Poland
NATHANSON family, Lithuania-->Palestine-->Toronto-->USA #general

Marilyn Nathanson
 

I'm looking for any information on my paternal great grandparents and their
descendants. My great grandfather was named Benzine (BenZion?) NATHANSON
married to Esther Nathanson. I am of the understanding that he was from
Lithuania but moved to Palestine in the 1880's and then Toronto (no idea
when). He had 7 children (Murray, Anna, Emma, George, Ben, David and Reva).
Emma married Israel RUBINOFF, Anna married Isadore GOLDSTICK (lived in
London, Ontario), Reva married Winston BRESLIN. My grandfather was Murray
Nathanson who moved to New Jersey and eventually Detroit, Michigan. I
believe my great grandfather was a rabbi. Anyone with any ideas on how to
trace descendants or information on my greatgrandfather, please contact me
at mnathanson@ameritech.net. Thank you so much!
Also seeking Maisel, Slobodow, Amhowitz (>from Belarus)

Marilyn Nathanson
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NATHANSON family, Lithuania-->Palestine-->Toronto-->USA #general

Marilyn Nathanson
 

I'm looking for any information on my paternal great grandparents and their
descendants. My great grandfather was named Benzine (BenZion?) NATHANSON
married to Esther Nathanson. I am of the understanding that he was from
Lithuania but moved to Palestine in the 1880's and then Toronto (no idea
when). He had 7 children (Murray, Anna, Emma, George, Ben, David and Reva).
Emma married Israel RUBINOFF, Anna married Isadore GOLDSTICK (lived in
London, Ontario), Reva married Winston BRESLIN. My grandfather was Murray
Nathanson who moved to New Jersey and eventually Detroit, Michigan. I
believe my great grandfather was a rabbi. Anyone with any ideas on how to
trace descendants or information on my greatgrandfather, please contact me
at mnathanson@ameritech.net. Thank you so much!
Also seeking Maisel, Slobodow, Amhowitz (>from Belarus)

Marilyn Nathanson
Re: Significance of burial societies #general

tom
 

This topic has been discussed at considerable length on jewishgen.
You can find some good explanations by searching for "landsmanschaft"
in the archives.

The short explanation is that these organizations were originally
established by people >from a certain town or district, but they were
not exclusively so, and people joined for other reasons as well (so
they are not necessarily a reliable proof of their town of origin).
The members paid dues, and the societies also had social functions.
Being buried in a landsmanschaft section is not an indication that
they couldn't afford to pay for their funeral.

....... tom klein, toronto

Naomi Leon <nimleon@hotmail.com> wrote:

I have recently come across burial records for some of my relatives
who were buried in New York in the 1920s, and in the 1950s. The
records include details of their 'burial societies' - the NY Coat
Pressers and Rymanower Young Men. I understand that these were
benevolent associations tied to particular 'landmanschaftn' (home
town associations), synagogues, family circles, fraternal
organisations and labour unions. However, I am hoping someone will
be able to shed more light on the signficance of these societies
generally and those of my relatives in particular.

I am curious to know whether you had to pay a fee to be part of a
burial society, whether the involvement of a burial society indicated
that the deceased could not afford to pay for their own funeral or
burial and where I might be able to locate records.

I am slightly puzzled that my relatives were buried by the Rymanower
Young Men (which I assume was tied to the town of Rymanow in SE Poland),
since they came >from Rawa Mazowiecka and Lodz.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Significance of burial societies #general

tom
 

This topic has been discussed at considerable length on jewishgen.
You can find some good explanations by searching for "landsmanschaft"
in the archives.

The short explanation is that these organizations were originally
established by people >from a certain town or district, but they were
not exclusively so, and people joined for other reasons as well (so
they are not necessarily a reliable proof of their town of origin).
The members paid dues, and the societies also had social functions.
Being buried in a landsmanschaft section is not an indication that
they couldn't afford to pay for their funeral.

....... tom klein, toronto

Naomi Leon <nimleon@hotmail.com> wrote:

I have recently come across burial records for some of my relatives
who were buried in New York in the 1920s, and in the 1950s. The
records include details of their 'burial societies' - the NY Coat
Pressers and Rymanower Young Men. I understand that these were
benevolent associations tied to particular 'landmanschaftn' (home
town associations), synagogues, family circles, fraternal
organisations and labour unions. However, I am hoping someone will
be able to shed more light on the signficance of these societies
generally and those of my relatives in particular.

I am curious to know whether you had to pay a fee to be part of a
burial society, whether the involvement of a burial society indicated
that the deceased could not afford to pay for their own funeral or
burial and where I might be able to locate records.

I am slightly puzzled that my relatives were buried by the Rymanower
Young Men (which I assume was tied to the town of Rymanow in SE Poland),
since they came >from Rawa Mazowiecka and Lodz.
Looking for birth information for Benjamin Robert SCHNEIDERMAN, Manchester, England, 1892/93 #general

Ann Armoza <armozaan@...>
 

Need help looking for a birth certificate for Benjamin Robert SCHNEIDERMAN
in Manchester, England 1892 or 1893.

I am trying to help a friend who is looking for a birth certificate for her
grandfather, Benjamin Robert Schneiderman (Sneiderman).
This what we know. David and Fredi Schneiderman arrived in Philadelphia on
the British Princess out of Liverpool on 10 September 1893. They were going
to Leib Glasses (GLASSER) in New York City. There is no mention of Fredi
being pregnant or any mention of an infant with them. Last address in
Manchester was 105 Moreton Street in Strangeways. It looks like they
resided there for 8 months.
Both seem to have been born in ‘Russia’.
We have found Benjamin Sneiderman on Federal Census papers for New Haven, CT
(1900,1910,1920,1930) indicating that he is a naturalized citizen born in
England in 1893. His draft registration papers (World War I and II) give a
birth date of 15 November 1893. Again, he is a naturalized citizen on those
papers.
We have checked, unsuccessfully, on Ancestry for Benjamin’s birth
certificate. There is an entry for a 1921 death certificate but this is not
the correct person.
Thinking that perhaps Benjamin was born in1892 in Manchester, we have used
other online sites to no avail. Family stories have him being born on board
the British Princess, but given his stated birth date it’s more likely that
he was born in Philadelphia or New York.
Is there any other way we can do a search of Manchester birth records for
the years 1892 and 1893? It may be that his birth was simply not registered
in England or the United States.
Any help would be much appreciated.

Ann Schweibish Armoza
Oakdale, NY
armozaan@optonline.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for birth information for Benjamin Robert SCHNEIDERMAN, Manchester, England, 1892/93 #general

Ann Armoza <armozaan@...>
 

Need help looking for a birth certificate for Benjamin Robert SCHNEIDERMAN
in Manchester, England 1892 or 1893.

I am trying to help a friend who is looking for a birth certificate for her
grandfather, Benjamin Robert Schneiderman (Sneiderman).
This what we know. David and Fredi Schneiderman arrived in Philadelphia on
the British Princess out of Liverpool on 10 September 1893. They were going
to Leib Glasses (GLASSER) in New York City. There is no mention of Fredi
being pregnant or any mention of an infant with them. Last address in
Manchester was 105 Moreton Street in Strangeways. It looks like they
resided there for 8 months.
Both seem to have been born in ‘Russia’.
We have found Benjamin Sneiderman on Federal Census papers for New Haven, CT
(1900,1910,1920,1930) indicating that he is a naturalized citizen born in
England in 1893. His draft registration papers (World War I and II) give a
birth date of 15 November 1893. Again, he is a naturalized citizen on those
papers.
We have checked, unsuccessfully, on Ancestry for Benjamin’s birth
certificate. There is an entry for a 1921 death certificate but this is not
the correct person.
Thinking that perhaps Benjamin was born in1892 in Manchester, we have used
other online sites to no avail. Family stories have him being born on board
the British Princess, but given his stated birth date it’s more likely that
he was born in Philadelphia or New York.
Is there any other way we can do a search of Manchester birth records for
the years 1892 and 1893? It may be that his birth was simply not registered
in England or the United States.
Any help would be much appreciated.

Ann Schweibish Armoza
Oakdale, NY
armozaan@optonline.net
JGSGW, Washington, DC - Sept 19, 2010 #general

Marlene Bishow
 

Date: September 19, 2010 1:00 p.m. schmoozing
1:30 p.m. short business meeting and program
Location: B'nai Israel, 6301 Montrose Rd, Rockville, MD
Speaker: Steve Luxenberg

"Genealogy >from the Inside Out: Tracing a Family Secret >from a Single Clue"

When we learn about a family secret -- a hidden relative (or a hidden
marriage, or a hidden divorce, or a hidden cause of death) our
understanding of the family tree is dramatically changed. How do we pursue
that single clue? In 1995, Washington Post Associate Editor Steve Luxenberg
found out his mother had been hiding the existence of a sister who was then
deceased, and it was the genesis for his multi-year odyssey to unravel the
rest of the story, including his aunt's three decades in a psychiatric
institution. Using a slide presentation, Luxenberg brings the audience
along on the journey he took to write his award-winning book, "Annie's
Ghosts: A Journey Into a Family Secret." He travels through burial records,
birth certificates, hospital records, immigration documents and wartime
records, and assembles them into a coherent paper trail. A result was a
significantly changed understanding of his family history and societal
stigma regarding mental health.

Guests are welcome. This program is relevant to all faiths.

Mr. Luxenberg will also be available for a book signing.

See our website for additional information and driving directions:
www.jewishgen.org/jgsgw

Contact: Marlene Bishow (301) 330 3882 (MLBishow@comcast.net).

Alan Leavitt
Publicity Chair
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSGW, Washington, DC - Sept 19, 2010 #general

Marlene Bishow
 

Date: September 19, 2010 1:00 p.m. schmoozing
1:30 p.m. short business meeting and program
Location: B'nai Israel, 6301 Montrose Rd, Rockville, MD
Speaker: Steve Luxenberg

"Genealogy >from the Inside Out: Tracing a Family Secret >from a Single Clue"

When we learn about a family secret -- a hidden relative (or a hidden
marriage, or a hidden divorce, or a hidden cause of death) our
understanding of the family tree is dramatically changed. How do we pursue
that single clue? In 1995, Washington Post Associate Editor Steve Luxenberg
found out his mother had been hiding the existence of a sister who was then
deceased, and it was the genesis for his multi-year odyssey to unravel the
rest of the story, including his aunt's three decades in a psychiatric
institution. Using a slide presentation, Luxenberg brings the audience
along on the journey he took to write his award-winning book, "Annie's
Ghosts: A Journey Into a Family Secret." He travels through burial records,
birth certificates, hospital records, immigration documents and wartime
records, and assembles them into a coherent paper trail. A result was a
significantly changed understanding of his family history and societal
stigma regarding mental health.

Guests are welcome. This program is relevant to all faiths.

Mr. Luxenberg will also be available for a book signing.

See our website for additional information and driving directions:
www.jewishgen.org/jgsgw

Contact: Marlene Bishow (301) 330 3882 (MLBishow@comcast.net).

Alan Leavitt
Publicity Chair
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
Re: Records less than 100 years #poland

Stephen Weinstein
 

JRI-Poland's Frequently Asked Questions says:

<< How Do I Obtain Records 100 Years Old or Less?

Civil records 100 years old or less are held in the Civil Records
Office of each town. The name of these repositories is "Urzad Stanu
Cywilnego", abbreviated "USC."

For more information about records in Poland, click on Warren Blatt's
excellent description of Vital Records at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/polandv.html >>

Stephen Weinstein
stephenweinstein@yahoo.com

________________________________
From: Nicolas Trokiner <trokiner@orange.fr>
To: JRI-Poland <jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 4:13:08 AM
Subject: [jri-pl] Records less than 100 years


Hello,

My great-great-grandfather died in Warsaw in 1917. Has anyone experienced
getting a death record less than 100 years? Maybe some professional can
access to these records?

Thanks for your help

Nicolas Trokiner
Paris- France
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with any recommendations
for professional researchers.
JRI Poland #Poland Re: Records less than 100 years #poland

Stephen Weinstein
 

JRI-Poland's Frequently Asked Questions says:

<< How Do I Obtain Records 100 Years Old or Less?

Civil records 100 years old or less are held in the Civil Records
Office of each town. The name of these repositories is "Urzad Stanu
Cywilnego", abbreviated "USC."

For more information about records in Poland, click on Warren Blatt's
excellent description of Vital Records at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/polandv.html >>

Stephen Weinstein
stephenweinstein@yahoo.com

________________________________
From: Nicolas Trokiner <trokiner@orange.fr>
To: JRI-Poland <jri-pl@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wed, August 11, 2010 4:13:08 AM
Subject: [jri-pl] Records less than 100 years


Hello,

My great-great-grandfather died in Warsaw in 1917. Has anyone experienced
getting a death record less than 100 years? Maybe some professional can
access to these records?

Thanks for your help

Nicolas Trokiner
Paris- France
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with any recommendations
for professional researchers.
MANDELBAUMs from Radom's gubernia, cities: Gniewoszow, Granica, Kozienice, Zwolen #poland

Avraham Y. Kahana
 

Hi all,
I would like to talk to anyone who descends >from any
MANDELBAUM/MANDELBOIM/similar spellings >from the region of Radom.
My Mandelbaums might have come >from Gniewoszow, Granica, Kozienice,
Zwolen, but these are mostly guesses.
I am particularly interested in families settled in this region in
between 1790-1860.

Thanks in advance,
Avraham Yehoshua Kahana
Israel

KAHANA/KANO/KAN/KON/KANE, MANDELBAUM, FINKELSZTEJN, GROJNEM [Zychlin,
Wiskitki, Gniewoszow, Granica, Kozienice, Gora Kalwaria],
SOCHACZEWSKI, LANGNAS [Lodz], FRYDLAND, SZCZUCINER [Wyszogrod,Lowicz,
Warszawa, Lodz], LEWINSZTEJN [Grojec, Wiskitki], MILLER, CHERSZKOWICZ,
KREL [Lowicz] SKROBEK [Zychlin], AJZENBERG, TABACZNIK, SWIRCZ,
MAJERSDORF [Wyszogrod], HORCHSTEIN [Warszawa],CUKIERKORN
[Wiskitki,Warszawa], WAJCMAN [Wyszogrod, Wiskitki], FRYDRYCH
[Wiskitki], GIVERTS and FRAIMAN [Kishinev, Kalarash] ROZMARIN,
SCHECHTMAN [Sokiryany(Secureni)], BERENSHTEYN [Sokiryany, Briceva],
TZIPERSHTEYN [Lipcani, Kitay Gorod], KOIFMAN, TRACHTENBERG,
VAISENBERG, BARAFF [Romankovsty/Romancauti] VAYNSHTEYN
[Secureni/Bessarabia]

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
JRI Poland #Poland MANDELBAUMs from Radom's gubernia, cities: Gniewoszow, Granica, Kozienice, Zwolen #poland

Avraham Y. Kahana
 

Hi all,
I would like to talk to anyone who descends >from any
MANDELBAUM/MANDELBOIM/similar spellings >from the region of Radom.
My Mandelbaums might have come >from Gniewoszow, Granica, Kozienice,
Zwolen, but these are mostly guesses.
I am particularly interested in families settled in this region in
between 1790-1860.

Thanks in advance,
Avraham Yehoshua Kahana
Israel

KAHANA/KANO/KAN/KON/KANE, MANDELBAUM, FINKELSZTEJN, GROJNEM [Zychlin,
Wiskitki, Gniewoszow, Granica, Kozienice, Gora Kalwaria],
SOCHACZEWSKI, LANGNAS [Lodz], FRYDLAND, SZCZUCINER [Wyszogrod,Lowicz,
Warszawa, Lodz], LEWINSZTEJN [Grojec, Wiskitki], MILLER, CHERSZKOWICZ,
KREL [Lowicz] SKROBEK [Zychlin], AJZENBERG, TABACZNIK, SWIRCZ,
MAJERSDORF [Wyszogrod], HORCHSTEIN [Warszawa],CUKIERKORN
[Wiskitki,Warszawa], WAJCMAN [Wyszogrod, Wiskitki], FRYDRYCH
[Wiskitki], GIVERTS and FRAIMAN [Kishinev, Kalarash] ROZMARIN,
SCHECHTMAN [Sokiryany(Secureni)], BERENSHTEYN [Sokiryany, Briceva],
TZIPERSHTEYN [Lipcani, Kitay Gorod], KOIFMAN, TRACHTENBERG,
VAISENBERG, BARAFF [Romankovsty/Romancauti] VAYNSHTEYN
[Secureni/Bessarabia]

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
FELDMAN/VALDMAN IN VELIOUNA, KOVNO #lithuania

Sue Welsh <suewelsh@...>
 

It's not a stupid question at all! We're dealing with two alphabets --
Cyrillic and Roman, phonetic spellings, and all sorts of other
variables.
It is entirely possible that they could be the same surname -- or not.
What you'll have to do is try and match up some given names, addresses, etc.,
to figure it out.

In my own family, my paternal grandfather's surname changed six times
during his lifetime: >from Hranet in Odessa, to Granet, to Grannet, to
Granett, to Granit and finally Granite in America. and his given name
morphed >from Moisha to Moses to Maurice to Morris.

And when I first met my husband, I thought his surname was Walsh not
Welsh!

And that's just two people meeting in the same town.


Susan Granite Welsh
Santa Barbara, CA

Subject: FELDMAN/VALDMAN IN VELIOUNA, KOVNO
From: YLCA87@aol.com

Dear All,

They say there are no silly questions so I hope that covers me on this
one and I don't appear as totally without a clue.

I'm researching FELDMAN in Veliouna, Kaunas, Lithuania. The VALDMAN
same comes up quite a bit in the same town when searching by D-M code.

Are these two totally separate surnames or could they possibly overlap
and all belong to the same family?

Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
California, USA
Lithuania SIG #Lithuania FELDMAN/VALDMAN IN VELIOUNA, KOVNO #lithuania

Sue Welsh <suewelsh@...>
 

It's not a stupid question at all! We're dealing with two alphabets --
Cyrillic and Roman, phonetic spellings, and all sorts of other
variables.
It is entirely possible that they could be the same surname -- or not.
What you'll have to do is try and match up some given names, addresses, etc.,
to figure it out.

In my own family, my paternal grandfather's surname changed six times
during his lifetime: >from Hranet in Odessa, to Granet, to Grannet, to
Granett, to Granit and finally Granite in America. and his given name
morphed >from Moisha to Moses to Maurice to Morris.

And when I first met my husband, I thought his surname was Walsh not
Welsh!

And that's just two people meeting in the same town.


Susan Granite Welsh
Santa Barbara, CA

Subject: FELDMAN/VALDMAN IN VELIOUNA, KOVNO
From: YLCA87@aol.com

Dear All,

They say there are no silly questions so I hope that covers me on this
one and I don't appear as totally without a clue.

I'm researching FELDMAN in Veliouna, Kaunas, Lithuania. The VALDMAN
same comes up quite a bit in the same town when searching by D-M code.

Are these two totally separate surnames or could they possibly overlap
and all belong to the same family?

Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
California, USA
200041 - 200060 of 658047