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Re: Obituary Source - Massachusetts #general

Cindy Potter Taylor <knife-princess@...>
 

There's also this data base...
http://www.brezniakrodman.com/obits.php

----- Original Message -----
From: "lcantor.org" <lincan@lcantor.org>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:07 PM

:I found an interesting source of information about deaths in Massachusetts
: at http://www.schlossbergchapel.com/schloss_archives.html. This is the
: website of Schlossberg and Solomon, an undertaker in Canton, MA.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Obituary Source - Massachusetts #general

Cindy Potter Taylor <knife-princess@...>
 

There's also this data base...
http://www.brezniakrodman.com/obits.php

----- Original Message -----
From: "lcantor.org" <lincan@lcantor.org>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:07 PM

:I found an interesting source of information about deaths in Massachusetts
: at http://www.schlossbergchapel.com/schloss_archives.html. This is the
: website of Schlossberg and Solomon, an undertaker in Canton, MA.


Re: Significance of burial societies #general

Ittai Hershman
 

Naomi Leon asks about Landsmanschaften in New York. There is an article in
the JewishGen library (http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/landshaf.txt) as
well as at the Center for Jewish History website
(http://www.cjh.org/pdfs/Landsmanschaftn.pdf). Both in turn, reference the
1938 book printed by the WPA (in Yiddish) which is available at the Yiddish
Book Center http://www.archive.org/details/nybc213624.

I also thought Genners might be interested that, according to Jane
Ziegelman's recent book "97 Orchard Street", the original landsmanschaften
in New York were created by *non-Jewish* German immigrants and the concept
was then imitated by succeeding immigrant groups. Per Zeigelman, the German
landsmanschaften used the pooled money organize social events, take care of
the sick; but, primarily were about ensuring proper burials.

Ittai Hershman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Significance of burial societies #general

Ittai Hershman
 

Naomi Leon asks about Landsmanschaften in New York. There is an article in
the JewishGen library (http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/landshaf.txt) as
well as at the Center for Jewish History website
(http://www.cjh.org/pdfs/Landsmanschaftn.pdf). Both in turn, reference the
1938 book printed by the WPA (in Yiddish) which is available at the Yiddish
Book Center http://www.archive.org/details/nybc213624.

I also thought Genners might be interested that, according to Jane
Ziegelman's recent book "97 Orchard Street", the original landsmanschaften
in New York were created by *non-Jewish* German immigrants and the concept
was then imitated by succeeding immigrant groups. Per Zeigelman, the German
landsmanschaften used the pooled money organize social events, take care of
the sick; but, primarily were about ensuring proper burials.

Ittai Hershman


GAMBURG/GAMES/GAMUS/GAMSU #ukraine

suewelsh@...
 

Hi Paulette.

What is the best way of obtaining birth, marriage and death records from
Ekaterinoslav/Dnepropetrovsk without spending a fortune on private
researchers?

You could try communicating directly with the archives. Ekaterinoslav is a
part of the Kiev. They have a website Web page at the portal of the State
Committee Archives of Ukraine: www.archives.gov.ua/Archives
And their Address: 24 Solomianska Str. 03110, Kyiv
Tel.: +380(44) 275-30-02
Fax: +380(44) 275-30-02
E-mail: mail@cdiak.archives.gov.ua

For best results, try writing to them in Ukrainian using one of the online
translation programs. These are not too bad, especially if you take the
time to work with them and don't just shoot off the first version you get.

Disna, Poland is in the former Vilno district, and is now a part of the
Molodechno district of Belarus. Things get tricky here. You might try the
archives of Belarus, http://archives.gov.by/eng/index.php?id=652777 and see
where this takes you.

The address of Kasanskaja 28 in Ekaterinoslav is a bit harder, since the
street name may have been changed. If you go to www.itouchmap.com and enter
Yekaterinoslav, Ukraine, you can keep enlarging the city map to the point
that you can do a street by street search. You might get lucky this way.
You might also try contacting the Yivo Institute and see if they can find
you an old city map >from the early 1920's.

Hopefully, this helps you and isn't stuff you've already tried!


Susan Welsh
Santa Barbara

Tracing any variations in spelling of the following families:

ABERBUCH (Warsaw, Lublin, Buenos Aires),
GRANITE (Ukraine, England, Mexico, Egypt, and USA),
HABERMAN (Warsaw, Lublin, Buenos Aires),
KROGLANSKY (Lithuania, England, Ireland and Brazil),
MAST (Lublin and Buenos Aires),
TAYLOR (England, Ireland and USA), ZINGER (Brazil and Israel) and
ZYLBERBERG (Warsaw and Lublin )


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine GAMBURG/GAMES/GAMUS/GAMSU #ukraine

suewelsh@...
 

Hi Paulette.

What is the best way of obtaining birth, marriage and death records from
Ekaterinoslav/Dnepropetrovsk without spending a fortune on private
researchers?

You could try communicating directly with the archives. Ekaterinoslav is a
part of the Kiev. They have a website Web page at the portal of the State
Committee Archives of Ukraine: www.archives.gov.ua/Archives
And their Address: 24 Solomianska Str. 03110, Kyiv
Tel.: +380(44) 275-30-02
Fax: +380(44) 275-30-02
E-mail: mail@cdiak.archives.gov.ua

For best results, try writing to them in Ukrainian using one of the online
translation programs. These are not too bad, especially if you take the
time to work with them and don't just shoot off the first version you get.

Disna, Poland is in the former Vilno district, and is now a part of the
Molodechno district of Belarus. Things get tricky here. You might try the
archives of Belarus, http://archives.gov.by/eng/index.php?id=652777 and see
where this takes you.

The address of Kasanskaja 28 in Ekaterinoslav is a bit harder, since the
street name may have been changed. If you go to www.itouchmap.com and enter
Yekaterinoslav, Ukraine, you can keep enlarging the city map to the point
that you can do a street by street search. You might get lucky this way.
You might also try contacting the Yivo Institute and see if they can find
you an old city map >from the early 1920's.

Hopefully, this helps you and isn't stuff you've already tried!


Susan Welsh
Santa Barbara

Tracing any variations in spelling of the following families:

ABERBUCH (Warsaw, Lublin, Buenos Aires),
GRANITE (Ukraine, England, Mexico, Egypt, and USA),
HABERMAN (Warsaw, Lublin, Buenos Aires),
KROGLANSKY (Lithuania, England, Ireland and Brazil),
MAST (Lublin and Buenos Aires),
TAYLOR (England, Ireland and USA), ZINGER (Brazil and Israel) and
ZYLBERBERG (Warsaw and Lublin )


USHMM and ITS #ukraine

Palekaiko
 

USHMM is receiving scanned documents >from International Tracing
Service archives (ITS), Bad Arolsen, Germany and may be queried
regarding the fate of many Holocaust victims. Scanning and transfer
of the entire document collection is not yet complete.

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/focus/its/

Michael Diamant
Hawaii


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine USHMM and ITS #ukraine

Palekaiko
 

USHMM is receiving scanned documents >from International Tracing
Service archives (ITS), Bad Arolsen, Germany and may be queried
regarding the fate of many Holocaust victims. Scanning and transfer
of the entire document collection is not yet complete.

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/focus/its/

Michael Diamant
Hawaii


Obituary Source - Massachusetts #general

lcantor.org <lincan@...>
 

I found an interesting source of information about deaths in Massachusetts
at http://www.schlossbergchapel.com/schloss_archives.html. This is the
website of Schlossberg and Solomon, an undertaker in Canton, MA.

I assume that it only contains information about burials that they handled,
but might prove to be helpful if you had family living on suburban Boston's
South Shore. I found information about several family members.

Linda Cantor
New York City


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Obituary Source - Massachusetts #general

lcantor.org <lincan@...>
 

I found an interesting source of information about deaths in Massachusetts
at http://www.schlossbergchapel.com/schloss_archives.html. This is the
website of Schlossberg and Solomon, an undertaker in Canton, MA.

I assume that it only contains information about burials that they handled,
but might prove to be helpful if you had family living on suburban Boston's
South Shore. I found information about several family members.

Linda Cantor
New York City


Re: mystery photos; one from Hungary/Slovakia; two from Lodz #general

tom
 

This definitely looks like a studio portrait, and would likely have
had the name and address of the photographer printed on the back,
and possibly the date as well (in order to facilitate reprints,
which were the bread and butter of the photographers).

Most photographs were taken in a studio, because cameras and lighting
were heavy and cumbersome, and the photographer would supply the props,
including furniture, and sometimes even fancy clothing. (We have a
fanciful portrait or two in our family that we know were not realistic,
for example.)

So it's hard to draw conclusions about the subjects, except that the
portrait was an acceptable way for people of that time and place to be
portrayed.

....... tom klein, toronto

Debbie Long <d_long@mindspring.com> wrote:

1. Can you advise me about the significance of the attire of the two
elderly people in the photo at

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=16300

They are likely to be my Hungarian great-great-grandparents, but they
were >from an area that is now called Selmeczb¡nya),Slovakia. Does their
attire reflect Jewish custom at the time?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: mystery photos; one from Hungary/Slovakia; two from Lodz #general

tom
 

This definitely looks like a studio portrait, and would likely have
had the name and address of the photographer printed on the back,
and possibly the date as well (in order to facilitate reprints,
which were the bread and butter of the photographers).

Most photographs were taken in a studio, because cameras and lighting
were heavy and cumbersome, and the photographer would supply the props,
including furniture, and sometimes even fancy clothing. (We have a
fanciful portrait or two in our family that we know were not realistic,
for example.)

So it's hard to draw conclusions about the subjects, except that the
portrait was an acceptable way for people of that time and place to be
portrayed.

....... tom klein, toronto

Debbie Long <d_long@mindspring.com> wrote:

1. Can you advise me about the significance of the attire of the two
elderly people in the photo at

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=16300

They are likely to be my Hungarian great-great-grandparents, but they
were >from an area that is now called Selmeczb¡nya),Slovakia. Does their
attire reflect Jewish custom at the time?


Examination at Ellis Island #general

Martin Jacobs <marjacobs1@...>
 

While we are on the subject of Ellis Island, does anyone know if first class
passengers were exempt >from the examinations and interrogations the other
passengers underwent? There is a story in my family that the family bought my
grandmother a first class ticket because she was sickly and they thought she
would not pass the medical exam. Yet she appears along with her (adult)
children (one of them my father) on the ship's manifest, and they were not, as
far as I know, first class passengers.

Martin Jacobs
Brooklyn, NY
JAKUBOVITS, FRIED >from Sobrance and Ubrez, Slovakia and Serednye, Ukraine;
PERKAL, FERKEL, KAPLAN >from Goworowo, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Examination at Ellis Island #general

Martin Jacobs <marjacobs1@...>
 

While we are on the subject of Ellis Island, does anyone know if first class
passengers were exempt >from the examinations and interrogations the other
passengers underwent? There is a story in my family that the family bought my
grandmother a first class ticket because she was sickly and they thought she
would not pass the medical exam. Yet she appears along with her (adult)
children (one of them my father) on the ship's manifest, and they were not, as
far as I know, first class passengers.

Martin Jacobs
Brooklyn, NY
JAKUBOVITS, FRIED >from Sobrance and Ubrez, Slovakia and Serednye, Ukraine;
PERKAL, FERKEL, KAPLAN >from Goworowo, Poland


NATHANSON family, Lithuania-->Palestine-->Toronto-->USA #general

Marilyn Nathanson
 

I'm looking for any information on my paternal great grandparents and their
descendants. My great grandfather was named Benzine (BenZion?) NATHANSON
married to Esther Nathanson. I am of the understanding that he was from
Lithuania but moved to Palestine in the 1880's and then Toronto (no idea
when). He had 7 children (Murray, Anna, Emma, George, Ben, David and Reva).
Emma married Israel RUBINOFF, Anna married Isadore GOLDSTICK (lived in
London, Ontario), Reva married Winston BRESLIN. My grandfather was Murray
Nathanson who moved to New Jersey and eventually Detroit, Michigan. I
believe my great grandfather was a rabbi. Anyone with any ideas on how to
trace descendants or information on my greatgrandfather, please contact me
at mnathanson@ameritech.net. Thank you so much!
Also seeking Maisel, Slobodow, Amhowitz (>from Belarus)

Marilyn Nathanson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NATHANSON family, Lithuania-->Palestine-->Toronto-->USA #general

Marilyn Nathanson
 

I'm looking for any information on my paternal great grandparents and their
descendants. My great grandfather was named Benzine (BenZion?) NATHANSON
married to Esther Nathanson. I am of the understanding that he was from
Lithuania but moved to Palestine in the 1880's and then Toronto (no idea
when). He had 7 children (Murray, Anna, Emma, George, Ben, David and Reva).
Emma married Israel RUBINOFF, Anna married Isadore GOLDSTICK (lived in
London, Ontario), Reva married Winston BRESLIN. My grandfather was Murray
Nathanson who moved to New Jersey and eventually Detroit, Michigan. I
believe my great grandfather was a rabbi. Anyone with any ideas on how to
trace descendants or information on my greatgrandfather, please contact me
at mnathanson@ameritech.net. Thank you so much!
Also seeking Maisel, Slobodow, Amhowitz (>from Belarus)

Marilyn Nathanson


Re: Significance of burial societies #general

tom
 

This topic has been discussed at considerable length on jewishgen.
You can find some good explanations by searching for "landsmanschaft"
in the archives.

The short explanation is that these organizations were originally
established by people >from a certain town or district, but they were
not exclusively so, and people joined for other reasons as well (so
they are not necessarily a reliable proof of their town of origin).
The members paid dues, and the societies also had social functions.
Being buried in a landsmanschaft section is not an indication that
they couldn't afford to pay for their funeral.

....... tom klein, toronto

Naomi Leon <nimleon@hotmail.com> wrote:

I have recently come across burial records for some of my relatives
who were buried in New York in the 1920s, and in the 1950s. The
records include details of their 'burial societies' - the NY Coat
Pressers and Rymanower Young Men. I understand that these were
benevolent associations tied to particular 'landmanschaftn' (home
town associations), synagogues, family circles, fraternal
organisations and labour unions. However, I am hoping someone will
be able to shed more light on the signficance of these societies
generally and those of my relatives in particular.

I am curious to know whether you had to pay a fee to be part of a
burial society, whether the involvement of a burial society indicated
that the deceased could not afford to pay for their own funeral or
burial and where I might be able to locate records.

I am slightly puzzled that my relatives were buried by the Rymanower
Young Men (which I assume was tied to the town of Rymanow in SE Poland),
since they came >from Rawa Mazowiecka and Lodz.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Significance of burial societies #general

tom
 

This topic has been discussed at considerable length on jewishgen.
You can find some good explanations by searching for "landsmanschaft"
in the archives.

The short explanation is that these organizations were originally
established by people >from a certain town or district, but they were
not exclusively so, and people joined for other reasons as well (so
they are not necessarily a reliable proof of their town of origin).
The members paid dues, and the societies also had social functions.
Being buried in a landsmanschaft section is not an indication that
they couldn't afford to pay for their funeral.

....... tom klein, toronto

Naomi Leon <nimleon@hotmail.com> wrote:

I have recently come across burial records for some of my relatives
who were buried in New York in the 1920s, and in the 1950s. The
records include details of their 'burial societies' - the NY Coat
Pressers and Rymanower Young Men. I understand that these were
benevolent associations tied to particular 'landmanschaftn' (home
town associations), synagogues, family circles, fraternal
organisations and labour unions. However, I am hoping someone will
be able to shed more light on the signficance of these societies
generally and those of my relatives in particular.

I am curious to know whether you had to pay a fee to be part of a
burial society, whether the involvement of a burial society indicated
that the deceased could not afford to pay for their own funeral or
burial and where I might be able to locate records.

I am slightly puzzled that my relatives were buried by the Rymanower
Young Men (which I assume was tied to the town of Rymanow in SE Poland),
since they came >from Rawa Mazowiecka and Lodz.


Looking for birth information for Benjamin Robert SCHNEIDERMAN, Manchester, England, 1892/93 #general

Ann Armoza <armozaan@...>
 

Need help looking for a birth certificate for Benjamin Robert SCHNEIDERMAN
in Manchester, England 1892 or 1893.

I am trying to help a friend who is looking for a birth certificate for her
grandfather, Benjamin Robert Schneiderman (Sneiderman).
This what we know. David and Fredi Schneiderman arrived in Philadelphia on
the British Princess out of Liverpool on 10 September 1893. They were going
to Leib Glasses (GLASSER) in New York City. There is no mention of Fredi
being pregnant or any mention of an infant with them. Last address in
Manchester was 105 Moreton Street in Strangeways. It looks like they
resided there for 8 months.
Both seem to have been born in ‘Russia’.
We have found Benjamin Sneiderman on Federal Census papers for New Haven, CT
(1900,1910,1920,1930) indicating that he is a naturalized citizen born in
England in 1893. His draft registration papers (World War I and II) give a
birth date of 15 November 1893. Again, he is a naturalized citizen on those
papers.
We have checked, unsuccessfully, on Ancestry for Benjamin’s birth
certificate. There is an entry for a 1921 death certificate but this is not
the correct person.
Thinking that perhaps Benjamin was born in1892 in Manchester, we have used
other online sites to no avail. Family stories have him being born on board
the British Princess, but given his stated birth date it’s more likely that
he was born in Philadelphia or New York.
Is there any other way we can do a search of Manchester birth records for
the years 1892 and 1893? It may be that his birth was simply not registered
in England or the United States.
Any help would be much appreciated.

Ann Schweibish Armoza
Oakdale, NY
armozaan@optonline.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for birth information for Benjamin Robert SCHNEIDERMAN, Manchester, England, 1892/93 #general

Ann Armoza <armozaan@...>
 

Need help looking for a birth certificate for Benjamin Robert SCHNEIDERMAN
in Manchester, England 1892 or 1893.

I am trying to help a friend who is looking for a birth certificate for her
grandfather, Benjamin Robert Schneiderman (Sneiderman).
This what we know. David and Fredi Schneiderman arrived in Philadelphia on
the British Princess out of Liverpool on 10 September 1893. They were going
to Leib Glasses (GLASSER) in New York City. There is no mention of Fredi
being pregnant or any mention of an infant with them. Last address in
Manchester was 105 Moreton Street in Strangeways. It looks like they
resided there for 8 months.
Both seem to have been born in ‘Russia’.
We have found Benjamin Sneiderman on Federal Census papers for New Haven, CT
(1900,1910,1920,1930) indicating that he is a naturalized citizen born in
England in 1893. His draft registration papers (World War I and II) give a
birth date of 15 November 1893. Again, he is a naturalized citizen on those
papers.
We have checked, unsuccessfully, on Ancestry for Benjamin’s birth
certificate. There is an entry for a 1921 death certificate but this is not
the correct person.
Thinking that perhaps Benjamin was born in1892 in Manchester, we have used
other online sites to no avail. Family stories have him being born on board
the British Princess, but given his stated birth date it’s more likely that
he was born in Philadelphia or New York.
Is there any other way we can do a search of Manchester birth records for
the years 1892 and 1893? It may be that his birth was simply not registered
in England or the United States.
Any help would be much appreciated.

Ann Schweibish Armoza
Oakdale, NY
armozaan@optonline.net