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Genealogical enigma re my paternal grandmother #general

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

I had written to you the other day about my paternal grandmother, whose
naturalization papers listed her as being born in and last resided in
"Lomza, Warsaw, Poland," and I stated that I thought this might have been a
mistake as Lomza wasn't part of Warsaw Province.

Well it seems to be that this is not true. Perhaps someone who knows
specifically when Lomza Gubernia was part of Warsaw Province and when it was
part of Bialystok Province could shed some light in this matter. If one
looks at various records on JRI-Poland, one can find many tables of birth,
marriage and death record indices for the mid to late 1800s where it is
stated at the top of the table "Gubernia: Lomza/ Province: Warszawa," and
other tables where it says "Gubernia: Lomza/ Province: Bialystok." I tried
to figure out by looking at the years of the vital records between which
years it was part of Warszawa Province and what years part of Bialystok
province. I know that borders did change.

Also I'm told that shortly after WWII, Lomza also belonged to Warszawa
Province, then later it was changed and Lomza became part of Bialystok
Province, then later was an independent region and later than that again
became part of Bialystok (Podlaskie) Province.

So during the years between 1945 and 1948 when my grandmother's
naturalization records stated that Lomza was part of Warsaw Province,
perhaps it was, both when she was born in 1884 and when she filed for
citizenship in 1945. Very strange yet interesting. I suppose the 'moral' of
this story is that we shouldn't assume that info such as this given on
documents were mistakes, though there were plenty of mistakes. Borders
changed often, perhaps not just at the end of a war but during other times
for other reasons.

So can anyone tell me during what years (let's say >from 1800 on) Lomza
Gubernia was part of Warszawa Province? This would probably be of interest
to many who have family >from Lomza Gubernia, so you might like to also share
your answer to this question with the rest of our friends in this discussion
group.

Thank you, and thanks to all of you who have and will respond to my recent
queries.

Regards,
Steven Lasky
steve@museumoffamilyhistory.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Genealogical enigma re my paternal grandmother #general

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

I had written to you the other day about my paternal grandmother, whose
naturalization papers listed her as being born in and last resided in
"Lomza, Warsaw, Poland," and I stated that I thought this might have been a
mistake as Lomza wasn't part of Warsaw Province.

Well it seems to be that this is not true. Perhaps someone who knows
specifically when Lomza Gubernia was part of Warsaw Province and when it was
part of Bialystok Province could shed some light in this matter. If one
looks at various records on JRI-Poland, one can find many tables of birth,
marriage and death record indices for the mid to late 1800s where it is
stated at the top of the table "Gubernia: Lomza/ Province: Warszawa," and
other tables where it says "Gubernia: Lomza/ Province: Bialystok." I tried
to figure out by looking at the years of the vital records between which
years it was part of Warszawa Province and what years part of Bialystok
province. I know that borders did change.

Also I'm told that shortly after WWII, Lomza also belonged to Warszawa
Province, then later it was changed and Lomza became part of Bialystok
Province, then later was an independent region and later than that again
became part of Bialystok (Podlaskie) Province.

So during the years between 1945 and 1948 when my grandmother's
naturalization records stated that Lomza was part of Warsaw Province,
perhaps it was, both when she was born in 1884 and when she filed for
citizenship in 1945. Very strange yet interesting. I suppose the 'moral' of
this story is that we shouldn't assume that info such as this given on
documents were mistakes, though there were plenty of mistakes. Borders
changed often, perhaps not just at the end of a war but during other times
for other reasons.

So can anyone tell me during what years (let's say >from 1800 on) Lomza
Gubernia was part of Warszawa Province? This would probably be of interest
to many who have family >from Lomza Gubernia, so you might like to also share
your answer to this question with the rest of our friends in this discussion
group.

Thank you, and thanks to all of you who have and will respond to my recent
queries.

Regards,
Steven Lasky
steve@museumoffamilyhistory.com


English to Ukrainian translation #general

gail billow <gspiegel2@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I wish to send a short letter to a potential cousin(s) in Kiev who's
name was given as the submitter of Pages of Testimony on the yadvashem
web site for known family members who were killed at Babi Yar in the
Shoah.

Since I know no Ukrainian, I would be eternally grateful for your
English to Ukrainian translation. I will send my letter written in
English directly to you.

Please respond to me privately at: gspiegel2@gmail.com

Thank you,
Gail Spiegel Billow, New Paltz, NY, USA

Researching:
LINITZ, Russian Empire (now Ilintsy, UA): PALTILOVICH / POLOVETS /
PALTI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen English to Ukrainian translation #general

gail billow <gspiegel2@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I wish to send a short letter to a potential cousin(s) in Kiev who's
name was given as the submitter of Pages of Testimony on the yadvashem
web site for known family members who were killed at Babi Yar in the
Shoah.

Since I know no Ukrainian, I would be eternally grateful for your
English to Ukrainian translation. I will send my letter written in
English directly to you.

Please respond to me privately at: gspiegel2@gmail.com

Thank you,
Gail Spiegel Billow, New Paltz, NY, USA

Researching:
LINITZ, Russian Empire (now Ilintsy, UA): PALTILOVICH / POLOVETS /
PALTI


Re: Genealogical enigma #general

Scott Schultz <schultz0530@...>
 

Steven,

I ran across a similar situation. Although my mother's mother does list her
actual last place of foreign residence on her Declaration form, her younger
brother listed a different city on his PMGO registration form (The PMGO was
the Provost Marshal General's Office that was responsible for draft during
World War I) although he was >from the same city as his sister.

I asked my grandmother's nephew why there was a discrepancy in his father's
records? His response, "I believe that my dad gave a different city because
he decided to give the general postal area and not the specific town in
order to protect those who were still there. He was very suspicious that the
anti-Semites in the U.S. government would use this to let the Russian
communist government know about his family. Remember that there were still
family there."

At least this is the way that it was explained to him. They obviously did
not trust Czar Nicholas II and Lenin was no improvement! Despite the fact
that the streets in America were paved with gold, my ancestors, and probably
yours, were still wary of their new government.

Regards,
Scott Schultz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Genealogical enigma #general

Scott Schultz <schultz0530@...>
 

Steven,

I ran across a similar situation. Although my mother's mother does list her
actual last place of foreign residence on her Declaration form, her younger
brother listed a different city on his PMGO registration form (The PMGO was
the Provost Marshal General's Office that was responsible for draft during
World War I) although he was >from the same city as his sister.

I asked my grandmother's nephew why there was a discrepancy in his father's
records? His response, "I believe that my dad gave a different city because
he decided to give the general postal area and not the specific town in
order to protect those who were still there. He was very suspicious that the
anti-Semites in the U.S. government would use this to let the Russian
communist government know about his family. Remember that there were still
family there."

At least this is the way that it was explained to him. They obviously did
not trust Czar Nicholas II and Lenin was no improvement! Despite the fact
that the streets in America were paved with gold, my ancestors, and probably
yours, were still wary of their new government.

Regards,
Scott Schultz


Rav Yosef of Beznitz #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In our family there is mention of a Rav Yosef (no family name)
presumably somewhere around the beginning of the 19th cent.

In one version of the tree this Rav Yosef is the Rav of Breznitz. In
all the trees he is a son-in-law of a grandson of Reb. Naftali KATZ,
author of the Smichas Chachamim, through the lineage of R' Shmuel and
his son R' Arieh leib (his presumed father-in-law) who were Rabbis of
Kremenetz during the 18th cent. R' Yosef was the father of Israel (no
known family name-possibly ROSENBAUM) of Ostrog and a follower of the
Apter Rav (Heschel). Yisrael's son, Yosef married into the family of
the Admo"r of Lechowitz (R' Aharon and Perl-marrying their daughter).

My interest lies primaily in identifying the above R' Yosef of
Breznitz. What town is this? What was his family name and any other
details about him. Published material as to our lineage end with the
above R' Arieh Leib of Kremenetz and don't come down to our
generation.

As mention above, I am in possesion of two family trees: One prepared
by the Jerusalem SCHECHTER family (my branch) and another by another
Jerusalem family ZEIVALD-PAPIRNE ( PAPIRNE being members of the
Kalin-Stolin Chassidic group).

Shavua tov

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rav Yosef of Beznitz #rabbinic

Yonatan Ben-Ari
 

In our family there is mention of a Rav Yosef (no family name)
presumably somewhere around the beginning of the 19th cent.

In one version of the tree this Rav Yosef is the Rav of Breznitz. In
all the trees he is a son-in-law of a grandson of Reb. Naftali KATZ,
author of the Smichas Chachamim, through the lineage of R' Shmuel and
his son R' Arieh leib (his presumed father-in-law) who were Rabbis of
Kremenetz during the 18th cent. R' Yosef was the father of Israel (no
known family name-possibly ROSENBAUM) of Ostrog and a follower of the
Apter Rav (Heschel). Yisrael's son, Yosef married into the family of
the Admo"r of Lechowitz (R' Aharon and Perl-marrying their daughter).

My interest lies primaily in identifying the above R' Yosef of
Breznitz. What town is this? What was his family name and any other
details about him. Published material as to our lineage end with the
above R' Arieh Leib of Kremenetz and don't come down to our
generation.

As mention above, I am in possesion of two family trees: One prepared
by the Jerusalem SCHECHTER family (my branch) and another by another
Jerusalem family ZEIVALD-PAPIRNE ( PAPIRNE being members of the
Kalin-Stolin Chassidic group).

Shavua tov

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


Shtetl near Dvinsk -- Vilkupa? #latvia

Steven T. Sarratore <sarratores@...>
 

My wife's grandmother indicated that she had been born in a tiny
shtetl in Latvia called "Vilkupa." No such town seems to exist in
Shtetlseeker. Many of the records I have located (census, military,
ship) for the family give the home town as Dvinsk. Is anyone out
there aware of a small shtetl near Dvinsk with a name resembling "Vilkupa?"

Steve Sarratore


Latvia SIG/IAJGS Conference in Los Angeles #latvia

Barry Shay
 

I am sure you know by now that the Latvia SIG will be hosting a luncheon,
our annual meeting and Christine Usdin is scheduled to speak at the general
session. If you plan to attend the conference, please let me know as soon as
possible via email at: bbshay@starpower.net.

Also, if have not yet registered for the Latvia SIG luncheon please do so.
Bruce Dumes, our Webmaster and recent visitor to Latvia, will talk about his
inspirational visits to Latvia and the genealogical successes he has
encountered.

As usual, we will be electing SIG board members at the meeting and all
positions are open for nominations. Nominations will be accepted at the
meeting or you may send nominations to me and they will be presented at the
meeting. Of course, you may nominate yourself if you so desire. Please go
to the SIG website to see the Latvia SIG board positions and the current
board members.

I hope to see many of you at the conference.

Barry Shay
Co-President, Latvia SIG
bbshay@starpower.net


Latvia SIG #Latvia Shtetl near Dvinsk -- Vilkupa? #latvia

Steven T. Sarratore <sarratores@...>
 

My wife's grandmother indicated that she had been born in a tiny
shtetl in Latvia called "Vilkupa." No such town seems to exist in
Shtetlseeker. Many of the records I have located (census, military,
ship) for the family give the home town as Dvinsk. Is anyone out
there aware of a small shtetl near Dvinsk with a name resembling "Vilkupa?"

Steve Sarratore


Latvia SIG #Latvia Latvia SIG/IAJGS Conference in Los Angeles #latvia

Barry Shay
 

I am sure you know by now that the Latvia SIG will be hosting a luncheon,
our annual meeting and Christine Usdin is scheduled to speak at the general
session. If you plan to attend the conference, please let me know as soon as
possible via email at: bbshay@starpower.net.

Also, if have not yet registered for the Latvia SIG luncheon please do so.
Bruce Dumes, our Webmaster and recent visitor to Latvia, will talk about his
inspirational visits to Latvia and the genealogical successes he has
encountered.

As usual, we will be electing SIG board members at the meeting and all
positions are open for nominations. Nominations will be accepted at the
meeting or you may send nominations to me and they will be presented at the
meeting. Of course, you may nominate yourself if you so desire. Please go
to the SIG website to see the Latvia SIG board positions and the current
board members.

I hope to see many of you at the conference.

Barry Shay
Co-President, Latvia SIG
bbshay@starpower.net


New member researching BELTCHER and BRAVO #poland

Pam <theyallops@...>
 

MILLY or AMELIA BELTCHER: born 1874 Bialystok.
Father: ISAAC BELTCHER, a brother CHARLES
Married HARRIS BRAVO, possibly before leaving Bialystok
Harris BRAVO: born about 1868, probably Vilna/Vilnius. Occupation said to
be: master jeweller
Brothers: SOLOMAN, RELICK and LAIBI BRAVO.
Harris and Milly arrived in UK ca 1890s, possibly via Hamburg, settled in
Wales, UK
I have information about the family that the couple raised in the UK but I
am hoping to discover more about the BELTCHER and BRAVO families in
Bialystok.

Pamela Yallop
Weymouth UK


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland New member researching BELTCHER and BRAVO #poland

Pam <theyallops@...>
 

MILLY or AMELIA BELTCHER: born 1874 Bialystok.
Father: ISAAC BELTCHER, a brother CHARLES
Married HARRIS BRAVO, possibly before leaving Bialystok
Harris BRAVO: born about 1868, probably Vilna/Vilnius. Occupation said to
be: master jeweller
Brothers: SOLOMAN, RELICK and LAIBI BRAVO.
Harris and Milly arrived in UK ca 1890s, possibly via Hamburg, settled in
Wales, UK
I have information about the family that the couple raised in the UK but I
am hoping to discover more about the BELTCHER and BRAVO families in
Bialystok.

Pamela Yallop
Weymouth UK


One of those genealogical enigma for my own family. Your opinion, please? #poland

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

I'm looking once again at my paternal grandmother's Declaration of Intention
and Petition for Naturalization. I was under the impression that she was
from Warszawa, but now I'm not so sure. She passed away in Brooklyn a few
years before I was born, so I never met her and don't know that much about
her.

In the aforementioned documents for my grandmother Ida
Bernstein/Berenstejn/Borenstejn (Chaia), where it mentions "My last place
of foreign residence was"--followed by a space for (City or town) and
County, district, province or state) and (Country), it is typed "Lomza,
Warsaw, Poland." My paternal grandfather, by the way, was >from Zambrow,
also in Lomza Gubernia.

We all know that Lomza was never in Warsaw Province (by the way her
naturalization papers were filled out in 1945 and she became a U.S. citizen
in 1948), so the question is is there a greater probability that she was
from the Lomza area or >from Warsaw? Hmmm......I am now thinking that she too
was >from the Lomza area, and that at the time she filled out her Petition
and Declaration, she just didn't know what province/gubernia Lomza was in.
Makes sense, right??

Also, in case you were wondering, her 1904 listing (and that of her two-year
old daughter) on the ship manifest lists a last residence as Lomza, but of
course,What do you think? She could just have been residing in her husband's
hometown, or she could have lived there all her life. I don't know.

By the way, she was born in 1884.


Regards,
Steven Lasky
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com
blog: http://museumoffamilyhistory.blogspot.com
steve@museumoffamilyhistory.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
Suggestions for research methods or resources may be shared with
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New book: Getting Started in Jewish Genealogy #latvia

Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
 

Avotaynu has just published a completely rewritten version of its very
popular "Getting Started in Jewish Genealogy." The original work, published
in 1999, sold more than 2,000 copies. If you are starting out in your quest
to know more about your family history or are trying to convince someone
that it is possible for them to trace their Jewish roots, this is the book.
It is low cost and gives an overview of Jewish genealogical research.

The new book is substantially different >from its predecessor. There is
greater emphasis on using the Internet, a resource that blossomed in this
past decade. JewishGen has its own chapter, and there is a chapter regarding
a resource that did not come onto the genealogy scene until 2001: Stephen P.
Morse One-Step site.

Special focus is given to two complaints commonly uttered by neophytes: (1)
My name was changed at Ellis Island, and (2) I do not know where my family
came from.

The new version is titled "Getting Started in Jewish Genealogy: 2010
Edition." It is Avotaynu's intention to update the book every year, because
advances in genealogy are coming so rapidly that there is a need for
continual updates. This approach is made possible because of a new
technology in printing called Print-On-Demand. Sometime in December 2010, we
will publish an updated version: "Getting Started in Jewish Genealogy: 2011
Edition." Every December thereafter there will be an updated version.

The book is deliberately small-only 92 pages (which is 25% larger than its
predecessor)-to keep the price low. It is a getting started book, not a
beginners guide. A beginners guide would take hundreds of pages. It is
filled with illustrations-35 in total. People getting started don't want to
merely know what to do. They want to see examples.

The Table of Contents plus ordering information can be found at
<http://www.avotaynu.com/books/gettingstarted2010.htm>.

Gary Mokotoff


JRI Poland #Poland One of those genealogical enigma for my own family. Your opinion, please? #poland

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

I'm looking once again at my paternal grandmother's Declaration of Intention
and Petition for Naturalization. I was under the impression that she was
from Warszawa, but now I'm not so sure. She passed away in Brooklyn a few
years before I was born, so I never met her and don't know that much about
her.

In the aforementioned documents for my grandmother Ida
Bernstein/Berenstejn/Borenstejn (Chaia), where it mentions "My last place
of foreign residence was"--followed by a space for (City or town) and
County, district, province or state) and (Country), it is typed "Lomza,
Warsaw, Poland." My paternal grandfather, by the way, was >from Zambrow,
also in Lomza Gubernia.

We all know that Lomza was never in Warsaw Province (by the way her
naturalization papers were filled out in 1945 and she became a U.S. citizen
in 1948), so the question is is there a greater probability that she was
from the Lomza area or >from Warsaw? Hmmm......I am now thinking that she too
was >from the Lomza area, and that at the time she filled out her Petition
and Declaration, she just didn't know what province/gubernia Lomza was in.
Makes sense, right??

Also, in case you were wondering, her 1904 listing (and that of her two-year
old daughter) on the ship manifest lists a last residence as Lomza, but of
course,What do you think? She could just have been residing in her husband's
hometown, or she could have lived there all her life. I don't know.

By the way, she was born in 1884.


Regards,
Steven Lasky
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com
blog: http://museumoffamilyhistory.blogspot.com
steve@museumoffamilyhistory.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.
Suggestions for research methods or resources may be shared with
the list.


Latvia SIG #Latvia New book: Getting Started in Jewish Genealogy #latvia

Gary Mokotoff <mokotoff@...>
 

Avotaynu has just published a completely rewritten version of its very
popular "Getting Started in Jewish Genealogy." The original work, published
in 1999, sold more than 2,000 copies. If you are starting out in your quest
to know more about your family history or are trying to convince someone
that it is possible for them to trace their Jewish roots, this is the book.
It is low cost and gives an overview of Jewish genealogical research.

The new book is substantially different >from its predecessor. There is
greater emphasis on using the Internet, a resource that blossomed in this
past decade. JewishGen has its own chapter, and there is a chapter regarding
a resource that did not come onto the genealogy scene until 2001: Stephen P.
Morse One-Step site.

Special focus is given to two complaints commonly uttered by neophytes: (1)
My name was changed at Ellis Island, and (2) I do not know where my family
came from.

The new version is titled "Getting Started in Jewish Genealogy: 2010
Edition." It is Avotaynu's intention to update the book every year, because
advances in genealogy are coming so rapidly that there is a need for
continual updates. This approach is made possible because of a new
technology in printing called Print-On-Demand. Sometime in December 2010, we
will publish an updated version: "Getting Started in Jewish Genealogy: 2011
Edition." Every December thereafter there will be an updated version.

The book is deliberately small-only 92 pages (which is 25% larger than its
predecessor)-to keep the price low. It is a getting started book, not a
beginners guide. A beginners guide would take hundreds of pages. It is
filled with illustrations-35 in total. People getting started don't want to
merely know what to do. They want to see examples.

The Table of Contents plus ordering information can be found at
<http://www.avotaynu.com/books/gettingstarted2010.htm>.

Gary Mokotoff


Lublin/Zamosc Area Birds of a Feather Meeting at L.A. Conf #poland

RobinnM@...
 

If you are interested in the towns of the Lublin or Zamosc area, please
note that there will be an informal "birds of a feather" meeting on
Thursday, July 15th >from 2 until about 3 pm at the Los Angeles Summer
Conference.

Please email me if you are unsure whether your town falls within the
Lublin or Zamosc area.

Hope to see you at the conference!

Robinn Magid
Kensington, California
Lublin Archives Project Coordinator
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

RobinnM@aol.com


JRI Poland #Poland Lublin/Zamosc Area Birds of a Feather Meeting at L.A. Conf #poland

RobinnM@...
 

If you are interested in the towns of the Lublin or Zamosc area, please
note that there will be an informal "birds of a feather" meeting on
Thursday, July 15th >from 2 until about 3 pm at the Los Angeles Summer
Conference.

Please email me if you are unsure whether your town falls within the
Lublin or Zamosc area.

Hope to see you at the conference!

Robinn Magid
Kensington, California
Lublin Archives Project Coordinator
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

RobinnM@aol.com