The following site has digital records of the inventories of many Jewish
cemeteries in Germany:

http://steinheim-institut.de:50580/cgi-bin/epidat

The only problem is that it is only available in German. [Moderator note:
The Google Toolbar and, probably, other browser toolbar add-ons provide fast
acting web translation tools.]

Marcelo Rosenbaum, Stockport, UK rofermaweb@googlemail.com

While researching, my uncle's family tree discussed in my earlier message
today, I Googled all of the town-family name combinations in his ancestry.
One of those is the family name JOEL >from the town of Colmberg in
Mittelfranken (Middle Franconia). Therese (Terz) JOEL was the wife of my
uncle's grandfather Abraham MANASSE. She was born on 8 December 1842 in
Colmberg and died in Talheim near Heilbronn in Wuerttemberg on 10 November
1931. Her parents were Feist (Feitel) JOEL (10 April 1806 Colmberg - 25
February 1895 Colmberg) and Sophie (Schiefele) HUTZLER (1 January 1800
Hagenbach - 30 March 1849 Colmberg). Feist JOEL remarried twice after
Sophie's death, to Mina LINDETAL of Feuchtwangen and to Mina ULMER (ULLMANN)
also of Feuchtwangen. Feist JOEL's father was Joel Feist married to Esther
HAHN. [By the way, I suspect that the date 1 January 1800 is wrong.]

The Google search brought up many references to the fact that the Helmut
(Howard in the US) JOEL, the father of the musician Billy JOEL, was born in
Colmberg. Further searching bought up the information that Helmut JOEL's
father was Karl Amson JOEL, his grandfather Julius JOEL, and Julius was the
son of Faust [sic] JOEL, born in 1806 in Colmberg. "Faust" was clearly the
same person as Feist JOEL.

While I am not researching this family at this time, I am curious as to
whether Julius JOEL was a brother or a half-brother of my uncle's
grandmother Therese MANASSE nee JOEL. Because Julius JOEL was almost
certainly named for his grandfather Joel Feist who had died before the
Colmberg vital records started, I suspect that he was also >from Feist JOEL's
first marriage with Sophie HUTZLER, but I do not have easy access to
Colmberg vital records. Does anyone know?

Ralph Baer Washington, DC ursusminor@alum.rpi.edu

The following site has digital records of the inventories of many Jewish
cemeteries in Germany:

http://steinheim-institut.de:50580/cgi-bin/epidat

The only problem is that it is only available in German. [Moderator note:
The Google Toolbar and, probably, other browser toolbar add-ons provide fast
acting web translation tools.]

Marcelo Rosenbaum, Stockport, UK rofermaweb@googlemail.com

While researching, my uncle's family tree discussed in my earlier message
today, I Googled all of the town-family name combinations in his ancestry.
One of those is the family name JOEL >from the town of Colmberg in
Mittelfranken (Middle Franconia). Therese (Terz) JOEL was the wife of my
uncle's grandfather Abraham MANASSE. She was born on 8 December 1842 in
Colmberg and died in Talheim near Heilbronn in Wuerttemberg on 10 November
1931. Her parents were Feist (Feitel) JOEL (10 April 1806 Colmberg - 25
February 1895 Colmberg) and Sophie (Schiefele) HUTZLER (1 January 1800
Hagenbach - 30 March 1849 Colmberg). Feist JOEL remarried twice after
Sophie's death, to Mina LINDETAL of Feuchtwangen and to Mina ULMER (ULLMANN)
also of Feuchtwangen. Feist JOEL's father was Joel Feist married to Esther
HAHN. [By the way, I suspect that the date 1 January 1800 is wrong.]

The Google search brought up many references to the fact that the Helmut
(Howard in the US) JOEL, the father of the musician Billy JOEL, was born in
Colmberg. Further searching bought up the information that Helmut JOEL's
father was Karl Amson JOEL, his grandfather Julius JOEL, and Julius was the
son of Faust [sic] JOEL, born in 1806 in Colmberg. "Faust" was clearly the
same person as Feist JOEL.

While I am not researching this family at this time, I am curious as to
whether Julius JOEL was a brother or a half-brother of my uncle's
grandmother Therese MANASSE nee JOEL. Because Julius JOEL was almost
certainly named for his grandfather Joel Feist who had died before the
Colmberg vital records started, I suspect that he was also >from Feist JOEL's
first marriage with Sophie HUTZLER, but I do not have easy access to
Colmberg vital records. Does anyone know?

Ralph Baer Washington, DC ursusminor@alum.rpi.edu

Close to 20 years ago, at the request of my aunt (my mother's sister), I
assembled an ancestor chart of for my uncle Alfred MANASSE of Talheim,
Wuerttemberg, near Heilbronn. Most of this work was performed at the CAHJP
in Jerusalem.

Now that the Reichssippenamt records for Baden-Wuerttemberg are available on
line, as has been mentioned here before, I had the opportunity to easily
start to create a descendant file for Alfred's 3-great grandfather Hirsch
Manasse who moved >from nearby Horkheim (now Heilbronn-Horkheim) to Talheim
in 1774. Hirsch Manasse was a son Manasse Veit who was recorded as living
in 1700 in Horkheim. The latter's father, Faistele, was born about 1644 in
Sontheim (now Heilbronn-Sontheim).

Two date, I know of four children of Hirsch Manasse. Manasse Hirsch (1742
Horkheim - 1794 Talheim) was my uncle's great-great-grandfather. His sons
who remained inTalheim all adopted the family name MANASSE in response to
the 1828 law requiring Wuerttemberg Jews to take permanent family names.
Sons moving to Niederstetten and Hochberg (now Remseck am Neckar - Hochberg)
took the family name THALHEIMER. Sons of Manasse Hirsch brother Samuel
Hirsch in Talheim adopted the family name HIRSCH. Manasse's much younger
brother Valention Hirsch in Talheim adopted the name HIRSCHFELD for his
family. The family of their only known sister Nendel Hirsch, living in
Affaltrach (now Obersulm-Affaltrach), took the name THALHEIMER.

I am interested in connecting with people who have data on any of these
families.

Ralph Baer Washington, DC ursusminor@alum.rpi.edu

Close to 20 years ago, at the request of my aunt (my mother's sister), I
assembled an ancestor chart of for my uncle Alfred MANASSE of Talheim,
Wuerttemberg, near Heilbronn. Most of this work was performed at the CAHJP
in Jerusalem.

Now that the Reichssippenamt records for Baden-Wuerttemberg are available on
line, as has been mentioned here before, I had the opportunity to easily
start to create a descendant file for Alfred's 3-great grandfather Hirsch
Manasse who moved >from nearby Horkheim (now Heilbronn-Horkheim) to Talheim
in 1774. Hirsch Manasse was a son Manasse Veit who was recorded as living
in 1700 in Horkheim. The latter's father, Faistele, was born about 1644 in
Sontheim (now Heilbronn-Sontheim).

Two date, I know of four children of Hirsch Manasse. Manasse Hirsch (1742
Horkheim - 1794 Talheim) was my uncle's great-great-grandfather. His sons
who remained inTalheim all adopted the family name MANASSE in response to
the 1828 law requiring Wuerttemberg Jews to take permanent family names.
Sons moving to Niederstetten and Hochberg (now Remseck am Neckar - Hochberg)
took the family name THALHEIMER. Sons of Manasse Hirsch brother Samuel
Hirsch in Talheim adopted the family name HIRSCH. Manasse's much younger
brother Valention Hirsch in Talheim adopted the name HIRSCHFELD for his
family. The family of their only known sister Nendel Hirsch, living in
Affaltrach (now Obersulm-Affaltrach), took the name THALHEIMER.

I am interested in connecting with people who have data on any of these
families.

Ralph Baer Washington, DC ursusminor@alum.rpi.edu

Hello, someone has suggested that the medals on
the two photos I posted on viewmate could be >from
an academic organisation. Does this suggest
anything to anyone? My grandfather was likely
involved in local life (Lyons, Chamber of
Commerce, Local Council, University, etc...???)

Thanks again for your help.
Marc Piel,
Paris, France.

Viewmate:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15514


http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15607

Hello,

I am taking the liberty of repeating my post of a
few weeks ago. I have had a few answers regarding
the photos on Viewmate but nothing on the
contradictory information recieved >from different
authorities.
Has anyone else come accross this sort of
contradiction?

Initial message:
I have managed to get
several official documents >from "Magistrat des
Stadt Wien" and the "Alphabetical Street Directory
of Lehmann as well as the telephone directory.

And they give information that is completely
different to what my mother left me when she died.

Here is the information about my family:

My Grandfather Wilhelm (Wolf) FRIEDLAENDER, born
25.11.1884 in Itskany, Bukowina in Romania.

His wife Sika (nee KRAFT) born 14.07.1890, also in
Romania.

Before the war and until 19th August 1938 he lived
and worked at: Esteplatz 5, Vienna 3, Austria.

>from 17th August 1938 till 8th March 1939 he
lived:
5 Judenplatz, Vienna 1, Austria.

At Esteplatz 5, he ran a wholsale cloth business
and occupied three floors of the building: One for
stock, one for the office and sales and the third
was his appartment with his family.

They had many friends in intellectual circles; my
mother left photos of her parents in the company
of Alma Mahler, Franz
Werfel, the Lipatti family, Georges Enesco, Ernst
Lothar, Ernst Hochmuth, Otto Preminger, Max
Reinhardt, Leo Slezak; Adrienne Gessner,
Bermann-Fischer, Thomas Mann, and many others.

I do not know under what name the business was!

I have been unable to find out what happened to
this business or the appartment.

The information above comes >from "Magistrat des
Stadt Wien"
And also >from the "Alphabetical Street Directory
of Lehmann_1938_Esteplatz 5"

Both these documents say that he was Director of a
construction company.

This is contrary and completely different to the
information my mother left me when she died.


Thanking you in advance for any help.

Marc Piel,
Paris, France.

Hello, someone has suggested that the medals on
the two photos I posted on viewmate could be >from
an academic organisation. Does this suggest
anything to anyone? My grandfather was likely
involved in local life (Lyons, Chamber of
Commerce, Local Council, University, etc...???)

Thanks again for your help.
Marc Piel,
Paris, France.

Viewmate:
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15514


http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=15607

Hello,

I am taking the liberty of repeating my post of a
few weeks ago. I have had a few answers regarding
the photos on Viewmate but nothing on the
contradictory information recieved >from different
authorities.
Has anyone else come accross this sort of
contradiction?

Initial message:
I have managed to get
several official documents >from "Magistrat des
Stadt Wien" and the "Alphabetical Street Directory
of Lehmann as well as the telephone directory.

And they give information that is completely
different to what my mother left me when she died.

Here is the information about my family:

My Grandfather Wilhelm (Wolf) FRIEDLAENDER, born
25.11.1884 in Itskany, Bukowina in Romania.

His wife Sika (nee KRAFT) born 14.07.1890, also in
Romania.

Before the war and until 19th August 1938 he lived
and worked at: Esteplatz 5, Vienna 3, Austria.

>from 17th August 1938 till 8th March 1939 he
lived:
5 Judenplatz, Vienna 1, Austria.

At Esteplatz 5, he ran a wholsale cloth business
and occupied three floors of the building: One for
stock, one for the office and sales and the third
was his appartment with his family.

They had many friends in intellectual circles; my
mother left photos of her parents in the company
of Alma Mahler, Franz
Werfel, the Lipatti family, Georges Enesco, Ernst
Lothar, Ernst Hochmuth, Otto Preminger, Max
Reinhardt, Leo Slezak; Adrienne Gessner,
Bermann-Fischer, Thomas Mann, and many others.

I do not know under what name the business was!

I have been unable to find out what happened to
this business or the appartment.

The information above comes >from "Magistrat des
Stadt Wien"
And also >from the "Alphabetical Street Directory
of Lehmann_1938_Esteplatz 5"

Both these documents say that he was Director of a
construction company.

This is contrary and completely different to the
information my mother left me when she died.


Thanking you in advance for any help.

Marc Piel,
Paris, France.

Hi

I have just returned >from a trip to Berlin with my wife. We visited
the grave of my wife's grandmother at Weissensee cemetery. I want to
share what I learned in the hope that this will save others time and trouble.

Before your visit, request information on the location of the grave >from the
cemetery office.
We received a comprehensive reply in a little more than two weeks.
They provide the block number where the grave is situated, the row number
and the grave number.
The block number consists of a letter and a Roman numeral. In German, the
letter is called Feld (field) and the numeral is called Abteilung (division).
The row number is called Reihe.

Note that the blocks are not laid out in sequence, so the cemetery office
provides a map that shows where to find the block that interests you. There
are signs with the letter and Roman numeral at the corner of each block.
The cemetery office also provides a map that shows the graves within the
block, by number.

Finding the grave within the block is not so easy. Only row 5 has a sign.
You need to find the row that interests you by counting >from there.
The grave numbers do not follow a sequence within the row, or within the
block so you will need the map of grave numbers.

The head-stone at the grave was placed by the family. You might find a
large stone with clear markings on it.
Some, but not all, have the grave number on them. In our case there was
only a very small stone and it was completely covered with ivy.

We needed the map to help us find it. We found a nearby headstone with a
number, then located the number on the map. Then we counted graves from
the one we had identified. Finally, the stone itself was covered with moss.
We could read the inscription on the stone only after we had scraped off the moss.

One more item: Berlin has an excellent network of public transportation.
The closest ride to Weissensee is the M4 or the M13 tram.
Get off in Berliner Allee at the stop marked Albertiner street.
Walk half a block to Herbert-Baum street then three blocks along Hebert Baum
to the entrance of the cemetery.

Hope that someone finds this useful.

Shay Meyer, Rehovot, Israel. smeyer@zahav.net.il

Hi

I have just returned >from a trip to Berlin with my wife. We visited
the grave of my wife's grandmother at Weissensee cemetery. I want to
share what I learned in the hope that this will save others time and trouble.

Before your visit, request information on the location of the grave >from the
cemetery office.
We received a comprehensive reply in a little more than two weeks.
They provide the block number where the grave is situated, the row number
and the grave number.
The block number consists of a letter and a Roman numeral. In German, the
letter is called Feld (field) and the numeral is called Abteilung (division).
The row number is called Reihe.

Note that the blocks are not laid out in sequence, so the cemetery office
provides a map that shows where to find the block that interests you. There
are signs with the letter and Roman numeral at the corner of each block.
The cemetery office also provides a map that shows the graves within the
block, by number.

Finding the grave within the block is not so easy. Only row 5 has a sign.
You need to find the row that interests you by counting >from there.
The grave numbers do not follow a sequence within the row, or within the
block so you will need the map of grave numbers.

The head-stone at the grave was placed by the family. You might find a
large stone with clear markings on it.
Some, but not all, have the grave number on them. In our case there was
only a very small stone and it was completely covered with ivy.

We needed the map to help us find it. We found a nearby headstone with a
number, then located the number on the map. Then we counted graves from
the one we had identified. Finally, the stone itself was covered with moss.
We could read the inscription on the stone only after we had scraped off the moss.

One more item: Berlin has an excellent network of public transportation.
The closest ride to Weissensee is the M4 or the M13 tram.
Get off in Berliner Allee at the stop marked Albertiner street.
Walk half a block to Herbert-Baum street then three blocks along Hebert Baum
to the entrance of the cemetery.

Hope that someone finds this useful.

Shay Meyer, Rehovot, Israel. smeyer@zahav.net.il

Shalom, Gunther,
the 70th anniversary is taking place later this year. >from 3 to 5 September,
there will be remembrance events at Hay, and on the 7th, events at Sydney
harbor.

My wife Carole and I will be there for those events as well as other things
being planned in memory of my father who died late last year, a "Dunera Boy".

If anyone would like more information on the 70th anniversary (or, indeed,
on the "Dunera incident" in general), pls contact me off-list at
wyants@sasktel.net

Peter S. Wyant Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Shalom, Gunther,
the 70th anniversary is taking place later this year. >from 3 to 5 September,
there will be remembrance events at Hay, and on the 7th, events at Sydney
harbor.

My wife Carole and I will be there for those events as well as other things
being planned in memory of my father who died late last year, a "Dunera Boy".

If anyone would like more information on the 70th anniversary (or, indeed,
on the "Dunera incident" in general), pls contact me off-list at
wyants@sasktel.net

Peter S. Wyant Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Dear Genners - Internet can be a problem - even if my computer tells me the
email could possibly be "Spam", I'm allowed to opened the messages. I did
receive all of Barbara Zimmer's (wonderful) messages, not knowing that she
was receiving notices that her mails had been rejected!
To save a lot of problems I have changed my email address, hoping that this
one will work better!
I must thank all the Genners who let me know that Barbara was having
problems, and of course another great thank you for all the information
Barbara has sent me!
A wonderful day to you all,
Jean Bennett Giorgetti

Dear Genners - Internet can be a problem - even if my computer tells me the
email could possibly be "Spam", I'm allowed to opened the messages. I did
receive all of Barbara Zimmer's (wonderful) messages, not knowing that she
was receiving notices that her mails had been rejected!
To save a lot of problems I have changed my email address, hoping that this
one will work better!
I must thank all the Genners who let me know that Barbara was having
problems, and of course another great thank you for all the information
Barbara has sent me!
A wonderful day to you all,
Jean Bennett Giorgetti

Mt. Lebanon Cemetery database is online and easy to search by surname
And burial society.

You will also find Mt. Zion, Mt. Hebron, Mt. Ararat & Mt. Carmel online.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ

Mt. Lebanon Cemetery database is online and easy to search by surname
And burial society.

You will also find Mt. Zion, Mt. Hebron, Mt. Ararat & Mt. Carmel online.

Diane Jacobs
Somerset, NJ

Just to add, in the 1910 US Census in Milwaukee, my J/Yampolsky great
grandparents, along with my grandfather with all but younger twin brother
and sister, who were born the following year, had their last name written
out as Jambolzki

Sharon Yampell

Alexandrowitz..(Volovitch) Wolovitz/Wolovitz--Borzna Chernigov
Distelfeld/Distenfeld..Lessing/Lessig--Dorna Vatra, Campulung
Jampolsky--Odessa
Dorolotzsky--Kiev
Buchalter/Horwitz--Kinev

Just to add, in the 1910 US Census in Milwaukee, my J/Yampolsky great
grandparents, along with my grandfather with all but younger twin brother
and sister, who were born the following year, had their last name written
out as Jambolzki

Sharon Yampell

Alexandrowitz..(Volovitch) Wolovitz/Wolovitz--Borzna Chernigov
Distelfeld/Distenfeld..Lessing/Lessig--Dorna Vatra, Campulung
Jampolsky--Odessa
Dorolotzsky--Kiev
Buchalter/Horwitz--Kinev