Dear Genners
Does anyone have knowledge of how someone would travel >from Mozyr in =
Belarus to Odessa around 1880?
Going by boat on Pripyat and Dniepr seems reasonable, but would you then =
embark in Kherson and continue by train to Odessa? Or would the boat =
take you all the way to Odessa?
Where in Odessa would you end up?
Best
Sally Altschuler
129496

Dear Genners
Does anyone have knowledge of how someone would travel >from Mozyr in =
Belarus to Odessa around 1880?
Going by boat on Pripyat and Dniepr seems reasonable, but would you then =
embark in Kherson and continue by train to Odessa? Or would the boat =
take you all the way to Odessa?
Where in Odessa would you end up?
Best
Sally Altschuler
129496

Menasseh ben Israel (Manoel Dias Soeiro), famous subject for Rembrandt,
diplomat who opened England to Jewish immigration, printer, businessman,
etc. is an important figure in Sephardic history. Is anyone aware of
any genealogical study out there of Menasseh?

In his memoirs, my 3XGreat Uncle, Moses Jacob Ezekiel, claimed to be a
4X Great Grandson of Menasseh ben Israel. I thought I may be able to
make the connection through research, but have been unable to do so, so
far. I was surprised, though, that Menasseh's descendants do not appear
to have been traced anywhere or by anyone in any form that I have
discovered. Menasseh's wife was an Arbarbenel and (supposedly) is a
descendant of King David. This would seem to be the kind of thing to
attract genealogical interest.

One website I encountered stated the following statement when
researching Menasseh's descendants: "Both of his sons predeceased him
and of his one daughter we know nothing."
http://www.saudades.org/menasseh.html

It is certainly true that Menasseh's sons predeceased him. They do not
appear to have married and had children (although this may be incorrect.
There is only an absence of evidence). It is *not*true, however, that
we know nothing of his daughter. Using the database for the Portuguese
Cemetery at Ouderkerk a/d Amstel
http://www.stenenarchief.org/pig/pig_list.php
I discovered the following:

Menasseh's daughter Gracia is buried at Ouderkerk. She was born 1628
and died 11 Feb 1690. She married her cousin, Samuel Abrabanel Barbosa,
son of Jona Abarbanel and Ester van Joseph Soeira (sister of Menasseh
Ben Israel), in 1646. Samuel died in 1695. They had at least one son,
Jona v. Samuel Abarbanel Barboza, born 1652. In 1688 Jona married
Debora v.Abraham Rodrigues Pereira (1648-1707). They had at least two
children who died young. It seems unlikely to me that this is the end
of the line.

It appears, for example, that Rachel Barbosa, born 1657, who married
David Abendana in 1687, may have been the daughter of Samuel and Gracia.

Likewise, it appears that an Ester Abarbanel, born 1658, who married a
David Abendana in 1684 may have been the daughter of Samuel and Gracia.
The marriage was witnessed by a Jonas Barboza, possibly Ester's brother.

See http://www.dutchjewry.org/tim/sephardim_tim/E_Sepharadim_menu.asp

Any thoughts?

Kevin Bowman

Menasseh ben Israel (Manoel Dias Soeiro), famous subject for Rembrandt,
diplomat who opened England to Jewish immigration, printer, businessman,
etc. is an important figure in Sephardic history. Is anyone aware of
any genealogical study out there of Menasseh?

In his memoirs, my 3XGreat Uncle, Moses Jacob Ezekiel, claimed to be a
4X Great Grandson of Menasseh ben Israel. I thought I may be able to
make the connection through research, but have been unable to do so, so
far. I was surprised, though, that Menasseh's descendants do not appear
to have been traced anywhere or by anyone in any form that I have
discovered. Menasseh's wife was an Arbarbenel and (supposedly) is a
descendant of King David. This would seem to be the kind of thing to
attract genealogical interest.

One website I encountered stated the following statement when
researching Menasseh's descendants: "Both of his sons predeceased him
and of his one daughter we know nothing."
http://www.saudades.org/menasseh.html

It is certainly true that Menasseh's sons predeceased him. They do not
appear to have married and had children (although this may be incorrect.
There is only an absence of evidence). It is *not*true, however, that
we know nothing of his daughter. Using the database for the Portuguese
Cemetery at Ouderkerk a/d Amstel
http://www.stenenarchief.org/pig/pig_list.php
I discovered the following:

Menasseh's daughter Gracia is buried at Ouderkerk. She was born 1628
and died 11 Feb 1690. She married her cousin, Samuel Abrabanel Barbosa,
son of Jona Abarbanel and Ester van Joseph Soeira (sister of Menasseh
Ben Israel), in 1646. Samuel died in 1695. They had at least one son,
Jona v. Samuel Abarbanel Barboza, born 1652. In 1688 Jona married
Debora v.Abraham Rodrigues Pereira (1648-1707). They had at least two
children who died young. It seems unlikely to me that this is the end
of the line.

It appears, for example, that Rachel Barbosa, born 1657, who married
David Abendana in 1687, may have been the daughter of Samuel and Gracia.

Likewise, it appears that an Ester Abarbanel, born 1658, who married a
David Abendana in 1684 may have been the daughter of Samuel and Gracia.
The marriage was witnessed by a Jonas Barboza, possibly Ester's brother.

See http://www.dutchjewry.org/tim/sephardim_tim/E_Sepharadim_menu.asp

Any thoughts?

Kevin Bowman

Greetings,

I have a Russian passport, 2 pages, I'd like translated >from Russian
to English. The passport was used by my great grandmother Tillie
Shargorodsky nee Weisberg and her son Morse when they came to America
in 1924. Appreciate the assistance.

Viewmate posting number 7944
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=7944

Viewmate posting number 7945
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=7945

Thanks!
Ron MILLER, Chicago
Searching: MELAMED, Mozyr, SHAROGRODSKY, Ivankov, Kiev, Argentina,

Greetings,

I have a Russian passport, 2 pages, I'd like translated >from Russian
to English. The passport was used by my great grandmother Tillie
Shargorodsky nee Weisberg and her son Morse when they came to America
in 1924. Appreciate the assistance.

Viewmate posting number 7944
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=7944

Viewmate posting number 7945
http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=7945

Thanks!
Ron MILLER, Chicago
Searching: MELAMED, Mozyr, SHAROGRODSKY, Ivankov, Kiev, Argentina,

Dear all,

I am looking for a translation and an explanation on a document which
I received >from the State Archive in Rzeszw, Poland (Archiwum
Panstwowe W Rzeszowie).

Can you please tell me what this document is about and please
translate it for me?

You can find the document on viewmate (VM15066):

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=15066

Gershon Lehrer
Antwerp, Belgium

Searching: DORF, ETSIONI, FISZLOWICZ, GERSTNER, GOLDSTEEN, HART,
LEHRER, PA(C)KTER, PAKTOR, S(Y)(I)LBERBERG, SAIL, SANDERS, SCHEEN,
SJENITZER,SCH(=F6)(O)NITZER, STORK, TIMBERG, VAN STRATEN

Dear all,

I am looking for a translation and an explanation on a document which
I received >from the State Archive in Rzeszw, Poland (Archiwum
Panstwowe W Rzeszowie).

Can you please tell me what this document is about and please
translate it for me?

You can find the document on viewmate (VM15066):

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/responselist.asp?key=15066

Gershon Lehrer
Antwerp, Belgium

Searching: DORF, ETSIONI, FISZLOWICZ, GERSTNER, GOLDSTEEN, HART,
LEHRER, PA(C)KTER, PAKTOR, S(Y)(I)LBERBERG, SAIL, SANDERS, SCHEEN,
SJENITZER,SCH(=F6)(O)NITZER, STORK, TIMBERG, VAN STRATEN

Seeking any knowledge of Philip Josephson aka Etkowitz >from Romania.
Died at the above hosp. Married to Anna Eckstein had 3/4 choldren.
Bro of Simon Eaquith.. Anyone know if the records for this hospital
are available circa 1920/30?
Looking for grand children?
Gayle Riley >from San Gabriel
EDER SCHLISSEL Tarnobrzeg
GOLD SOLOMAN ETKOWITZ Jassy Romania

Seeking any knowledge of Philip Josephson aka Etkowitz >from Romania.
Died at the above hosp. Married to Anna Eckstein had 3/4 choldren.
Bro of Simon Eaquith.. Anyone know if the records for this hospital
are available circa 1920/30?
Looking for grand children?
Gayle Riley >from San Gabriel
EDER SCHLISSEL Tarnobrzeg
GOLD SOLOMAN ETKOWITZ Jassy Romania

Dear Fellow Jewish Geners,

I have just been notified that my documentary My Grandfather's House, set
partly in Kovno, Lithuania, will be available this week on demand on
The Jewish Channel. This film details the search made to find the house my
grandfather lived in in Kovno before fleeing to America a century ago.
If you Google The Jewish Channel, you will see it listed on their site,
under Schedule, then History and Remembrance. In their heading they list
the various channels on which they can be seen depending on your cable system
nationwide.

Eileen Douglas

MODERATOR NOTE: The website Eileen refers to may be found at:
http://www.tjctv.com/

Dear Fellow Jewish Geners,

I have just been notified that my documentary My Grandfather's House, set
partly in Kovno, Lithuania, will be available this week on demand on
The Jewish Channel. This film details the search made to find the house my
grandfather lived in in Kovno before fleeing to America a century ago.
If you Google The Jewish Channel, you will see it listed on their site,
under Schedule, then History and Remembrance. In their heading they list
the various channels on which they can be seen depending on your cable system
nationwide.

Eileen Douglas

MODERATOR NOTE: The website Eileen refers to may be found at:
http://www.tjctv.com/

Dear genners
Does anyone have knowledge of how someone would travel >from Mozyr in Belarus to Odessa around 1880?
Going by boat on Pripyat and Dniepr seems reasonable, but would you then embark in Kherson and continue by train to Odessa? Or would the boat take you all the way to Odessa?
Best
Sally Altschuler
129496

Dear genners
Does anyone have knowledge of how someone would travel >from Mozyr in Belarus to Odessa around 1880?
Going by boat on Pripyat and Dniepr seems reasonable, but would you then embark in Kherson and continue by train to Odessa? Or would the boat take you all the way to Odessa?
Best
Sally Altschuler
129496

Dear All,

I now have my connection to these families! I know that I thanked each
person who was kind enough to send suggestions, but I wanted to let the list
know that while I was searching those suggestions I was contacted by one of
the Wagman family and my mystery is solved!

As it turns out, the family member who contacted me is a 'step-cousin' by
virtue of the fact that her great grandfather, Gedalia Wagman, already had
several children prior to marrying my great aunt, Etta Riva Troyansky. Then,
after Gedalia and Etta married, they had one son named Abraham who called
himself Alexander. In essence, my newfound cousin is really related to me
through her grandfather's half-brother, Alexander!

The mysterious man that I was looking for, Louis Fish, turns out to be the
husband of Gedalia's daughter by his first wife.

The cousin who found me >from my posting told me she found my post at the
following link:

http://www.1001newsgroups.com/find2.php?name=soc.genealogy.jewish&;find=wagman%2Ftroyansky&x=8&y=18

I have never even heard of this website.

Because I post exclusively to the JewishGen lyris lists (Ukraine and
JewishGen Discussion Group), I went to this site to check, and to my
surprise, there I found literally everyone's JewishGen's posting including
mine!

Another person who contacted me (we began an ongoing email exchange to help
each other) also said she also found my posting there and wanted me to
provide a link to the 'place I posted to'. I insisted that I did not post
there and I gave her the link to sign up with the Ukraine and JewishGen
SIGs. It seemed that she did not believe me when I told her I never heard of
that other site. It has now become apparent to me that she did not believe
me when I told her I never posted to the above link because I have not heard

from her again.

How did this site get all of our postings?

Once again, thank you all for all of your help!

Sincerely,
Lynn Troyansky Arroyo
Largo, FL
Researcher 44353

Searching: TROYANSKY and variant spellings, Uman, Kiev Gub., Kalniboloto,
Piatya Rote, Elisavetgrad, Kherson Gub. WAGMAN and variant spellings, Uman,
Kiev Gub.
SCHWARTZ, Kalniboloto, Piatya Rote, Elisavergrad, Kherson Gub.

Dear All,

I now have my connection to these families! I know that I thanked each
person who was kind enough to send suggestions, but I wanted to let the list
know that while I was searching those suggestions I was contacted by one of
the Wagman family and my mystery is solved!

As it turns out, the family member who contacted me is a 'step-cousin' by
virtue of the fact that her great grandfather, Gedalia Wagman, already had
several children prior to marrying my great aunt, Etta Riva Troyansky. Then,
after Gedalia and Etta married, they had one son named Abraham who called
himself Alexander. In essence, my newfound cousin is really related to me
through her grandfather's half-brother, Alexander!

The mysterious man that I was looking for, Louis Fish, turns out to be the
husband of Gedalia's daughter by his first wife.

The cousin who found me >from my posting told me she found my post at the
following link:

http://www.1001newsgroups.com/find2.php?name=soc.genealogy.jewish&;find=wagman%2Ftroyansky&x=8&y=18

I have never even heard of this website.

Because I post exclusively to the JewishGen lyris lists (Ukraine and
JewishGen Discussion Group), I went to this site to check, and to my
surprise, there I found literally everyone's JewishGen's posting including
mine!

Another person who contacted me (we began an ongoing email exchange to help
each other) also said she also found my posting there and wanted me to
provide a link to the 'place I posted to'. I insisted that I did not post
there and I gave her the link to sign up with the Ukraine and JewishGen
SIGs. It seemed that she did not believe me when I told her I never heard of
that other site. It has now become apparent to me that she did not believe
me when I told her I never posted to the above link because I have not heard

from her again.

How did this site get all of our postings?

Once again, thank you all for all of your help!

Sincerely,
Lynn Troyansky Arroyo
Largo, FL
Researcher 44353

Searching: TROYANSKY and variant spellings, Uman, Kiev Gub., Kalniboloto,
Piatya Rote, Elisavetgrad, Kherson Gub. WAGMAN and variant spellings, Uman,
Kiev Gub.
SCHWARTZ, Kalniboloto, Piatya Rote, Elisavergrad, Kherson Gub.

I've recently found two good sources for research in Minnesota. The
first, www.mncounty.com is a one-stop site to search for marriage
license information. In Minnesota, that information is kept at the
county level, and there are 87 counties. This site allows you to search
state-wide, or by specific county. Some of the counties provide data
back to the start of their record-keeping. Others, most notably
Hennepin (Minneapolis and suburbs), Ramsey (St. Paul), and St. Louis
(Duluth) are less complete, but I've found records back to the 1940s for
Minneapolis marriages. If you find a record of interest, you can order
a certificate online.

The second site, http://www.debbiesgenealogy.com/index.htm is an index
to burials at a number of Minnesota cemeteries, including 3 Jewish
cemeteries in Hennepin County. Click on the "Hennepin to Wadena" box,
then scroll down to the Hennepin County listing to find information on
several cemeteries in the Minneapolis suburbs. You'll find links to the
Adath Yeshurun cemetery in the city of Edina, B'nai Emmet/B'nai Abram,
and the United Hebrew Brotherhood Cemetery, all in the city of
Richfield. There is a brief description of each cemetery and an
alphabetical list of names, along with dates >from each headstone.

Carol Gurstelle
Roseville, MN

I've recently found two good sources for research in Minnesota. The
first, www.mncounty.com is a one-stop site to search for marriage
license information. In Minnesota, that information is kept at the
county level, and there are 87 counties. This site allows you to search
state-wide, or by specific county. Some of the counties provide data
back to the start of their record-keeping. Others, most notably
Hennepin (Minneapolis and suburbs), Ramsey (St. Paul), and St. Louis
(Duluth) are less complete, but I've found records back to the 1940s for
Minneapolis marriages. If you find a record of interest, you can order
a certificate online.

The second site, http://www.debbiesgenealogy.com/index.htm is an index
to burials at a number of Minnesota cemeteries, including 3 Jewish
cemeteries in Hennepin County. Click on the "Hennepin to Wadena" box,
then scroll down to the Hennepin County listing to find information on
several cemeteries in the Minneapolis suburbs. You'll find links to the
Adath Yeshurun cemetery in the city of Edina, B'nai Emmet/B'nai Abram,
and the United Hebrew Brotherhood Cemetery, all in the city of
Richfield. There is a brief description of each cemetery and an
alphabetical list of names, along with dates >from each headstone.

Carol Gurstelle
Roseville, MN

A woman who found me through the Rezekne shtetl website called me
about wanting to buy a cemetery plot for herself in the Degel Yehudo
cemetery in Deans, New Jersey, in the B'nai Rezitza section. As it
turns out, I had been to the cemetery recently to visit my my
grandparents' graves and I noticed there are many unused plots, but
nobody seems to know who has the deeds. The cemetery told the woman
who contacted me it could not sell the plots because they are owned
by B'Nai Rezitza. B'nai Rezitza has long been defunct.

Does anyone have any suggestions about how the woman who contacted me
could buy some of the unused plots in the B'nai Rezitza section of
Degel Yehudo cemetery? I remember reading an article a year or two
ago in the Jewish Week about unused cemetery plots and people who were
selling them without authority or ownership. This does not seem to be
the case with the B'nai Rezitza section, since it is largely empty.

Judy Simon
researching BROZGOL, KAPELUSHNIK, MIRANSKY, SKUTELSKY, RAPOPORT,
BAILENSON, PASSMAN >from Rezekne and Dvinsk, Latvia; LEFKOWITZ,
KELMER, OLSTEIN, MEZELSOR, AKERMAN, PLANCZNER, CHOJNA >from the Lodz
area, Poland

A woman who found me through the Rezekne shtetl website called me
about wanting to buy a cemetery plot for herself in the Degel Yehudo
cemetery in Deans, New Jersey, in the B'nai Rezitza section. As it
turns out, I had been to the cemetery recently to visit my my
grandparents' graves and I noticed there are many unused plots, but
nobody seems to know who has the deeds. The cemetery told the woman
who contacted me it could not sell the plots because they are owned
by B'Nai Rezitza. B'nai Rezitza has long been defunct.

Does anyone have any suggestions about how the woman who contacted me
could buy some of the unused plots in the B'nai Rezitza section of
Degel Yehudo cemetery? I remember reading an article a year or two
ago in the Jewish Week about unused cemetery plots and people who were
selling them without authority or ownership. This does not seem to be
the case with the B'nai Rezitza section, since it is largely empty.

Judy Simon
researching BROZGOL, KAPELUSHNIK, MIRANSKY, SKUTELSKY, RAPOPORT,
BAILENSON, PASSMAN >from Rezekne and Dvinsk, Latvia; LEFKOWITZ,
KELMER, OLSTEIN, MEZELSOR, AKERMAN, PLANCZNER, CHOJNA >from the Lodz
area, Poland