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HERSCHER family from Budapest #france

Selma Sheridan
 

Dear researchers,

I am trying to learn about the family of my cousin's husband. Here is the
background.

My father's mother had a sister, Cecilia BAUCHMANN, who lived in Budapest.
Cecilia married David CENNOVER / SYNOBER. They had 3 daughters: Ilona, Sara,
and Anna.

Sarah married Mathias HERSCHER. His parents were Natan / Nachmann HERSCHER
and Dora / Dwora ASDERBALD / ASDERBALL >from Budapest. The young couple
moved to France, in the early 1920s. They had 3 daughters, born in France:
Cecile (born in Roubaix), Odette (born in Paris), and Marguerite (born in
Lens). The family was deported >from France on different convoys and
murdered at Auschwitz.

Thus far, I know nothing more about Mathias and his family. Where in
Budapest did his parents live, what trade or profession did they have? Did
Mathias have siblings, aunts and uncles? What school did Mathias attend,
what was his profession? Did he have a religious marriage and / or civil
marriage in Budapest, before moving to France?

Another question concerns Sara's older unmarried sister, Ilona CENNOVER, who
travelled to France around 1930 to help Sara with the children. We don't
know what route she took, whether through Switzerland or Germany. Family
lore says that Ilona was "lost" somewhere in France, and was never heard
from again. What happened?
I was in Budapest in 2002, visited the gorgeous Dohany synagogue. I don't
speak Hungarian, and could not get help at the archives. Any help from
researchers would be greatly appreciated.

Selma J Sheridan
Oswego NY USA


French SIG #France HERSCHER family from Budapest #france

Selma Sheridan
 

Dear researchers,

I am trying to learn about the family of my cousin's husband. Here is the
background.

My father's mother had a sister, Cecilia BAUCHMANN, who lived in Budapest.
Cecilia married David CENNOVER / SYNOBER. They had 3 daughters: Ilona, Sara,
and Anna.

Sarah married Mathias HERSCHER. His parents were Natan / Nachmann HERSCHER
and Dora / Dwora ASDERBALD / ASDERBALL >from Budapest. The young couple
moved to France, in the early 1920s. They had 3 daughters, born in France:
Cecile (born in Roubaix), Odette (born in Paris), and Marguerite (born in
Lens). The family was deported >from France on different convoys and
murdered at Auschwitz.

Thus far, I know nothing more about Mathias and his family. Where in
Budapest did his parents live, what trade or profession did they have? Did
Mathias have siblings, aunts and uncles? What school did Mathias attend,
what was his profession? Did he have a religious marriage and / or civil
marriage in Budapest, before moving to France?

Another question concerns Sara's older unmarried sister, Ilona CENNOVER, who
travelled to France around 1930 to help Sara with the children. We don't
know what route she took, whether through Switzerland or Germany. Family
lore says that Ilona was "lost" somewhere in France, and was never heard
from again. What happened?
I was in Budapest in 2002, visited the gorgeous Dohany synagogue. I don't
speak Hungarian, and could not get help at the archives. Any help from
researchers would be greatly appreciated.

Selma J Sheridan
Oswego NY USA


Special double presentation at March 24 Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois meeting #general

events@...
 

March 24, 2019, JGS of Illinois meeting features two genealogy talks:

"The Margarine Moonshiners >from Minsk" and "Conducting Story-Driven
Research" will be the topics of two lectures by genealogist Tammy A.
Hepps at the Sunday, March 24, 2019, meeting of the Jewish Genealogical
Society of Illinois at Temple Beth-El, 3610 Dundee Road, Northbrook,
Ill.

Registration and networking will open at 12:30 p.m. For this meeting
only, the JGSI library and help desk will not be available. For more
information about this event, see the Jewish Genealogical Society of
Illinois website at https://jgsi.org/event-3163700 or phone
312-666-0100.

---At 1 p.m.: In "The Margarine Moonshiners >from Minsk," Hepps offers a
"rollicking genealogical journey tracing a group of brothers and
brothers-in-law recently emigrated >from Minsk, who set out to sell
margarine as butter in defiance of one of the stranger pieces of
legislation ever passed." Part of the action in this family history
adventure takes place in Chicago.

---At 2:30 p.m.: In the second presentation, "Conducting Story-Driven
Research," she explains how thinking of your family history research
like a storyteller can make you a better researcher and can help you
think of questions to ask about your family history that you might not
have thought of before.

Tammy A. Hepps is a technologist, genealogist and storyteller. The
creator of Treelines.com, a family story-sharing website, and winner of
the RootsTech Developer Challenge, she lectures internationally about
combining creative research, cutting-edge technology and meaningful
storytelling to make family history more engaging.

Submitted by:
Martin Fischer
Vice President-Publicity
Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Special double presentation at March 24 Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois meeting #general

events@...
 

March 24, 2019, JGS of Illinois meeting features two genealogy talks:

"The Margarine Moonshiners >from Minsk" and "Conducting Story-Driven
Research" will be the topics of two lectures by genealogist Tammy A.
Hepps at the Sunday, March 24, 2019, meeting of the Jewish Genealogical
Society of Illinois at Temple Beth-El, 3610 Dundee Road, Northbrook,
Ill.

Registration and networking will open at 12:30 p.m. For this meeting
only, the JGSI library and help desk will not be available. For more
information about this event, see the Jewish Genealogical Society of
Illinois website at https://jgsi.org/event-3163700 or phone
312-666-0100.

---At 1 p.m.: In "The Margarine Moonshiners >from Minsk," Hepps offers a
"rollicking genealogical journey tracing a group of brothers and
brothers-in-law recently emigrated >from Minsk, who set out to sell
margarine as butter in defiance of one of the stranger pieces of
legislation ever passed." Part of the action in this family history
adventure takes place in Chicago.

---At 2:30 p.m.: In the second presentation, "Conducting Story-Driven
Research," she explains how thinking of your family history research
like a storyteller can make you a better researcher and can help you
think of questions to ask about your family history that you might not
have thought of before.

Tammy A. Hepps is a technologist, genealogist and storyteller. The
creator of Treelines.com, a family story-sharing website, and winner of
the RootsTech Developer Challenge, she lectures internationally about
combining creative research, cutting-edge technology and meaningful
storytelling to make family history more engaging.

Submitted by:
Martin Fischer
Vice President-Publicity
Jewish Genealogical Society of Illinois


ABUGOV #lithuania

Angie Elfassi
 

Hi,

I have found that a relative of mine - Khaiai Ita ITMAN d/o Kushel
married Moshe Shlomo ABUGOV s/o Gamshie on 8 June 1907 in Vilnius
s. On the page is says: husband >from Mogilev, wife >from Stakliskes.

If anyone is related to Moshe Shlomo ABUGOV I would be appreciate it if you
would contact me.

Thanks

Regards
Angie Elfassi
Israel

Searching:
RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds
COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds
MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds
KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds
ITMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/USA


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania ABUGOV #lithuania

Angie Elfassi
 

Hi,

I have found that a relative of mine - Khaiai Ita ITMAN d/o Kushel
married Moshe Shlomo ABUGOV s/o Gamshie on 8 June 1907 in Vilnius
s. On the page is says: husband >from Mogilev, wife >from Stakliskes.

If anyone is related to Moshe Shlomo ABUGOV I would be appreciate it if you
would contact me.

Thanks

Regards
Angie Elfassi
Israel

Searching:
RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds
COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds
MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds
KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds
ITMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/USA


Looking for a Researcher in Odessa #general

Karen Catania
 

I am looking for a researcher in Odessa for a family who left in 1898.
Does Anyone have any contacts for me who have been successful for you?
Thank you,
Karen Sobel Catania

--
Best Regards,
Karen Catania

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for a Researcher in Odessa #general

Karen Catania
 

I am looking for a researcher in Odessa for a family who left in 1898.
Does Anyone have any contacts for me who have been successful for you?
Thank you,
Karen Sobel Catania

--
Best Regards,
Karen Catania

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #general

Bruce Drake
 

It all came to a head when a poor Jew, wife of a wagon driver, brought
a chicken with a broken wing to one of the rival Hasidic rabbis in
town. After he initially pronounced it "treyf," he saw the tears in
the woman's eyes, took it into his kitchen, came back with a chicken
in hand and "said with joy: 'Yes, the chicken is kosher.'" (As you'll
see, there's a twist to what the rabbi did). This exacerbated the
already heated rivalry between the two Hasidic dynasties and their
rabbis in Czyzewo, Poland. Insults had been hurled between their
followers who, at one point, came to blows. I should stop and note
that this account, >from "The Great Peace" in Czyzewo's Yizkor book, is
subtitled "A folk tale about Czyzewo in the past." But even if
imaginary or embellished, it certainly reflects the competition among
Hasidic groups that is described in other Yizkor books. And it makes
for good reading.

URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/2175121212510022

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen This week's Yizkor book excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #general

Bruce Drake
 

It all came to a head when a poor Jew, wife of a wagon driver, brought
a chicken with a broken wing to one of the rival Hasidic rabbis in
town. After he initially pronounced it "treyf," he saw the tears in
the woman's eyes, took it into his kitchen, came back with a chicken
in hand and "said with joy: 'Yes, the chicken is kosher.'" (As you'll
see, there's a twist to what the rabbi did). This exacerbated the
already heated rivalry between the two Hasidic dynasties and their
rabbis in Czyzewo, Poland. Insults had been hurled between their
followers who, at one point, came to blows. I should stop and note
that this account, >from "The Great Peace" in Czyzewo's Yizkor book, is
subtitled "A folk tale about Czyzewo in the past." But even if
imaginary or embellished, it certainly reflects the competition among
Hasidic groups that is described in other Yizkor books. And it makes
for good reading.

URL: https://www.facebook.com/JewishGen.org/posts/2175121212510022

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD

Researching: DRACH, EBERT, KIMMEL, ZLOTNICK
Towns: Wojnilow, Kovel


Re: Searching for names of people murdered in the Shoah from Vinnitsa/Pogrebishche/Berdichev #general

Alan Shuchat
 

Mike,

You can go to https://yvng.yadvashem.org/ and search using these place names.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

From: mike yesnes <eaglebrother55447@...>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 00:18:04 +0000 (UTC)

Discussion Group,

Looking for list of names of person's for towns of Vinnitsa/Pogrebishche/
Berdichev that were killed by the Nazi's in those towns. Would appreciate
your help.Thank you.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching for names of people murdered in the Shoah from Vinnitsa/Pogrebishche/Berdichev #general

Alan Shuchat
 

Mike,

You can go to https://yvng.yadvashem.org/ and search using these place names.

Alan Shuchat
Newton, MA

SHUKHAT (Talnoe, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta (Abazovka),
Tavrig, Pogrebishche)
VINOKUR (Talnoe), KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
ZILBERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets), BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolskiy)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

From: mike yesnes <eaglebrother55447@...>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 00:18:04 +0000 (UTC)

Discussion Group,

Looking for list of names of person's for towns of Vinnitsa/Pogrebishche/
Berdichev that were killed by the Nazi's in those towns. Would appreciate
your help.Thank you.


using different surname than father: why? #general

Deborah Schultz
 

Hello. Although I have looked through the discussion list archives, I
couldn't find an answer to this question. I hope that someone here may
be able to assist.

My great-grandmother's uncle, by every indication, is the son of
Solomon (Sholem Gershon) VEXLER or WECHSLER. The VEXLERS, >from Russia,
apparently lived in the area of Vitebsk (now Belarus). This son,
Raphael, who married into a family located in Glubokoye, Disna
district, Vilna province, always used some variation of the name
Raphael STILLMAN (both traveling to the U.S., as well as living here).
I found someone whom I believe is he, on a Russian revision list from
1875, living in his in-laws' hometown of Glubokoye (now Hlybokaye,
Belarus); there, he used the name SHTILMAN.

Raphael's parents, on his death certificate, are listed as Solomon
STILLMAN and Ida (no last name given). Raphael's name in Hebrew, on
his tombstone, is "Rafael son of Mr. Sholem Gershon." Some of his
descendants have heard the name STILLMAN. They introduced me to a
cousin of theirs, descended >from Raphael's sister, who confirms the
family is descended >from Sholem Gershon, but wonders where the name
STILLMAN came from.

I know >from discussions on this list that in other areas (belonging to
Austria-Hungary), some couples just had a Jewish religious marriage,
which wasn't recognized by the civil authorities. The children of
those couples used the mother's maiden surname. Did this also happen
in Russia? Was Raphael's mother's name Ida STILLMAN?

Uncle Raphael's descendants and their cousin, as well as I, are very
curious about this. If anyone has an answer, I would be very
appreciative. Thanks for your time!

--
Deborah Schultz
Metro Detroit, Michigan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen using different surname than father: why? #general

Deborah Schultz
 

Hello. Although I have looked through the discussion list archives, I
couldn't find an answer to this question. I hope that someone here may
be able to assist.

My great-grandmother's uncle, by every indication, is the son of
Solomon (Sholem Gershon) VEXLER or WECHSLER. The VEXLERS, >from Russia,
apparently lived in the area of Vitebsk (now Belarus). This son,
Raphael, who married into a family located in Glubokoye, Disna
district, Vilna province, always used some variation of the name
Raphael STILLMAN (both traveling to the U.S., as well as living here).
I found someone whom I believe is he, on a Russian revision list from
1875, living in his in-laws' hometown of Glubokoye (now Hlybokaye,
Belarus); there, he used the name SHTILMAN.

Raphael's parents, on his death certificate, are listed as Solomon
STILLMAN and Ida (no last name given). Raphael's name in Hebrew, on
his tombstone, is "Rafael son of Mr. Sholem Gershon." Some of his
descendants have heard the name STILLMAN. They introduced me to a
cousin of theirs, descended >from Raphael's sister, who confirms the
family is descended >from Sholem Gershon, but wonders where the name
STILLMAN came from.

I know >from discussions on this list that in other areas (belonging to
Austria-Hungary), some couples just had a Jewish religious marriage,
which wasn't recognized by the civil authorities. The children of
those couples used the mother's maiden surname. Did this also happen
in Russia? Was Raphael's mother's name Ida STILLMAN?

Uncle Raphael's descendants and their cousin, as well as I, are very
curious about this. If anyone has an answer, I would be very
appreciative. Thanks for your time!

--
Deborah Schultz
Metro Detroit, Michigan


Searching for Filipp Patach #general

Carol Karp
 

The manifest of my grandfather lists a Filipp Patach living at 20. 82
Street in NYC.
The year was 1898. He was Hungarian and was listed as brother -in-law
to Menyhart Roth.
I am wondering if this name is familiar to anyone.

Carol Karp


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Filipp Patach #general

Carol Karp
 

The manifest of my grandfather lists a Filipp Patach living at 20. 82
Street in NYC.
The year was 1898. He was Hungarian and was listed as brother -in-law
to Menyhart Roth.
I am wondering if this name is familiar to anyone.

Carol Karp


ABUGOV #general

Angie Elfassi
 

Hi,

I have found on JewishGen that a relative of mine - Khaiai Ita ITMAN
d/o Kushel married Moshe Shlomo ABUGOV s/o Gamshie on 8 June 1907 in
Vilnius. On the page is says: husband >from Mogilev, wife >from
Stakliskes.

If anyone is related to Moshe Shlomo ABUGOV I would be appreciate it
if you would contact me.

Thanks

Regards
Angie Elfassi
Israel

Searching:
RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds
COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds
MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds
KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds
ITMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/USA


My Heritage Announces Free Access to All Irish Records on MyHeritage March 14-20, 2019 #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

In celebration of St. Patrick/s Day, My Heritage is offering free access to
all their Irish records through March 20, 2019. Time zone was not listed.
Go to:
https://www.myheritage.com/research/catalog?location=Ireland&utm_campaign=Free%20access
When you click on the above url a window opens and those that are covered by
the free access have a green "free" sign. Click on the record .. Some of the
records are transcriptions and not actual records found in the tests I tried
before posting. Those records that have the actual record will show an icon
to click on. If you wish to save the actual record to your computer there is
a drop down arrow in the upper right hand side. The site may take you to the
original source, for example when I tried a census record it took me to the
Irish National Archives.

If you place a name in the search box that is not in the Irish collection
you will be invited to subscribe. If you try to access the Irish records
after the March 20 deadline you will be invited to subscribe.

I have no affiliation with MyHeritage and am posting this solely for the
interest of the reader.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ABUGOV #general

Angie Elfassi
 

Hi,

I have found on JewishGen that a relative of mine - Khaiai Ita ITMAN
d/o Kushel married Moshe Shlomo ABUGOV s/o Gamshie on 8 June 1907 in
Vilnius. On the page is says: husband >from Mogilev, wife >from
Stakliskes.

If anyone is related to Moshe Shlomo ABUGOV I would be appreciate it
if you would contact me.

Thanks

Regards
Angie Elfassi
Israel

Searching:
RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds
COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds
MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds
KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds
ITMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen My Heritage Announces Free Access to All Irish Records on MyHeritage March 14-20, 2019 #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

In celebration of St. Patrick/s Day, My Heritage is offering free access to
all their Irish records through March 20, 2019. Time zone was not listed.
Go to:
https://www.myheritage.com/research/catalog?location=Ireland&utm_campaign=Free%20access
When you click on the above url a window opens and those that are covered by
the free access have a green "free" sign. Click on the record .. Some of the
records are transcriptions and not actual records found in the tests I tried
before posting. Those records that have the actual record will show an icon
to click on. If you wish to save the actual record to your computer there is
a drop down arrow in the upper right hand side. The site may take you to the
original source, for example when I tried a census record it took me to the
Irish National Archives.

If you place a name in the search box that is not in the Irish collection
you will be invited to subscribe. If you try to access the Irish records
after the March 20 deadline you will be invited to subscribe.

I have no affiliation with MyHeritage and am posting this solely for the
interest of the reader.

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee