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Re: Convention for Dates #austria-czech

David Lewin
 

Here the answer I had >from Jewishgen:

At 18:12 23/09/2019, Vivian Kahn wrote:
David,

Standard genealogical practice, which is what
JewishGen uses for records, is to write dates
as 23 Sep 2019 etc. Those who send messages to
lists may use other formats and moderators have
enough to do without making such corrections.
Is your comment is addressed to those who are
sending messages? I agree that the American
norm causes problems, which is why I
don't use it in my records or messages.

Vivian
So - it is up to us, the users to stick to an
"international" format irrespective of which camp we are in

I was also asked to tell Vivian Kahn where the
"misleading" dates are used in the Jewishgen data.

Can you help?

A healthy New Year

David Lewin


Re: and another one for his sister #austria-czech

hpgrab@...
 

That's obvious. The parents didn't have a marriage permit so the child
was considered illegitimate (unehelich) and therefore didn't have the
surname of the father Schwarz but the surname of the mother Weil. This
was obviously overlooked in the original entry and had to be corrected
afterwards.

Best
Hanus Grab


Am 29.09.2019 um 08:20 schrieb Philip Moravcik <morav@hawaii.edu>:

A few pages later there is some similar mysterious notation on the
birth matrik for Isak/Israel's sister Barbora. Once again "Schwartz"
has been crossed out and "Weil" (mother's maiden name_ written in.

http://www.badatelna.eu/fond/241/reprodukce/?zaznamId=375958&reproId=436897

If you can figure out what was going on with this family I'd be very
interested to find out.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Convention for Dates #austria-czech

David Lewin
 

Here the answer I had >from Jewishgen:

At 18:12 23/09/2019, Vivian Kahn wrote:
David,

Standard genealogical practice, which is what
JewishGen uses for records, is to write dates
as 23 Sep 2019 etc. Those who send messages to
lists may use other formats and moderators have
enough to do without making such corrections.
Is your comment is addressed to those who are
sending messages? I agree that the American
norm causes problems, which is why I
don't use it in my records or messages.

Vivian
So - it is up to us, the users to stick to an
"international" format irrespective of which camp we are in

I was also asked to tell Vivian Kahn where the
"misleading" dates are used in the Jewishgen data.

Can you help?

A healthy New Year

David Lewin


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: and another one for his sister #austria-czech

hpgrab@...
 

That's obvious. The parents didn't have a marriage permit so the child
was considered illegitimate (unehelich) and therefore didn't have the
surname of the father Schwarz but the surname of the mother Weil. This
was obviously overlooked in the original entry and had to be corrected
afterwards.

Best
Hanus Grab


Am 29.09.2019 um 08:20 schrieb Philip Moravcik <morav@hawaii.edu>:

A few pages later there is some similar mysterious notation on the
birth matrik for Isak/Israel's sister Barbora. Once again "Schwartz"
has been crossed out and "Weil" (mother's maiden name_ written in.

http://www.badatelna.eu/fond/241/reprodukce/?zaznamId=375958&reproId=436897

If you can figure out what was going on with this family I'd be very
interested to find out.


Re: interpretation help #austria-czech

hpgrab@...
 

See my previous message to his sister. In this entry below you will find
a note that the parents got married on Feb 23, 1852 (after the abolition
of the Familianten-law), so that the child may have the name of the
father Schwartz >from this time on.

Best
Hanus Grab


Am 29.09.2019 um 08:06 schrieb Philip Moravcik <morav@hawaii.edu>:

Hi, Can anyone make head or tails of the notation on my ancestor
Isak/Israel Schwartz' birth matrik to be found at:
http://www.badatelna.eu/fond/241/reprodukce/?zaznamId=375958&reproId=436895

It looks like they crossed out his surname and put "Weil" - his
mother's maiden name.
Any help would be appreciated.


Philip Moravcik


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: interpretation help #austria-czech

hpgrab@...
 

See my previous message to his sister. In this entry below you will find
a note that the parents got married on Feb 23, 1852 (after the abolition
of the Familianten-law), so that the child may have the name of the
father Schwartz >from this time on.

Best
Hanus Grab


Am 29.09.2019 um 08:06 schrieb Philip Moravcik <morav@hawaii.edu>:

Hi, Can anyone make head or tails of the notation on my ancestor
Isak/Israel Schwartz' birth matrik to be found at:
http://www.badatelna.eu/fond/241/reprodukce/?zaznamId=375958&reproId=436895

It looks like they crossed out his surname and put "Weil" - his
mother's maiden name.
Any help would be appreciated.


Philip Moravcik


Dutch Railroad Reckons with Holocaust Shame 75 Years Later #germany

John Paul Lowens <jplowens@...>
 

German railroads were an instrumental part in the Nazi machine of
transporting Jews and others to the death and work camps of World War
ll. The Dutch railway , Nederlandse Spoorwegen, or N.S. participated
in the Nazi scheme, regardless that the Dutch government in exile in
London ordered the railway workers to strike -- which they did for 8
months. The strike occurred after 107,000 Jewish residents of the
Netherlands were already deported to the extermination camps.
Others deported included the Sinti, Roma, gay men and lesbians,
disabled and resistance fighters.

As reported in the New York Times, a new book, _The Dutch Railroad in
Wartime, 1939-1945_ clarifies the role of the Dutch railways. The
research found that 112 Dutch trains went >from the Netherlands to nine
Nazi camps >from June 1942 to August 1944 covering Germany, Austria,
and Poland.

To read the article and learn more about Dutch railroad complicit
actions with the Nazis, see: https://tinyurl.com/y659zesl or

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/28/world/europe/ns-dutch-railway-holocaust.html

We have no affiliation with the book on the Dutch Railroad and are
sharing this information solely for the information of the reader.

Thanks to Jan Meisels Allen, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


German SIG #Germany Dutch Railroad Reckons with Holocaust Shame 75 Years Later #germany

John Paul Lowens <jplowens@...>
 

German railroads were an instrumental part in the Nazi machine of
transporting Jews and others to the death and work camps of World War
ll. The Dutch railway , Nederlandse Spoorwegen, or N.S. participated
in the Nazi scheme, regardless that the Dutch government in exile in
London ordered the railway workers to strike -- which they did for 8
months. The strike occurred after 107,000 Jewish residents of the
Netherlands were already deported to the extermination camps.
Others deported included the Sinti, Roma, gay men and lesbians,
disabled and resistance fighters.

As reported in the New York Times, a new book, _The Dutch Railroad in
Wartime, 1939-1945_ clarifies the role of the Dutch railways. The
research found that 112 Dutch trains went >from the Netherlands to nine
Nazi camps >from June 1942 to August 1944 covering Germany, Austria,
and Poland.

To read the article and learn more about Dutch railroad complicit
actions with the Nazis, see: https://tinyurl.com/y659zesl or

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/28/world/europe/ns-dutch-railway-holocaust.html

We have no affiliation with the book on the Dutch Railroad and are
sharing this information solely for the information of the reader.

Thanks to Jan Meisels Allen, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Does anyone use the genealogy websites I set up years ago or can I stop renewing them? #germany

Stephen Weinstein
 

I set up two websites with the word "competitive" in the link years
ago and stopped paying attention. One of the registrations is up for
renewal (it expires October 8, coincidentally Erev Yom Kippur) and I'm
not sure if anyone uses either of them, plus GoDaddy has made renewing
feel like dealing with the IRS (apologies to the IRS), so I'm inclined
to just abandon them.

[If you don't use any websites with the word "competitive" in the
link, then this e[-mail doesn't pertain to you and you can stop
reading now. I'm not providing the link here because there are issues
with whether promoting the websites on JewishGen groups is allowed;
today, I'm just trying to gather information >from existing users, if
there are any.]

To renew, in addition to paying a small amount of money, GoDaddy says
that I also have to agree to multiple really long agreements (terms of
service, privacy policy, data processing addendum, etc.) that I don't
really have time to read -- and it's not all reasonable stuff that you
can just accept without reading. You're allowing them to run up your
phone bill by telemarketing you, to auto-renew in future years at
whatever price they want, etc. So if someone needs my sites to remain
live, then I'm going to have to go through all the agreements to make
sure that I can live with everything that's in them (or switch to a
different company with more acceptable terms -- which could take me
even more time). If nobody's using them anyway, I can just let them
expire (or let one expire and sell the other's domain name).

I know no one is using the paid research services (because I haven't
gotten any money after the first year) or the competitive games that
involve contacting me (because no one has). The database of links to
Christine's Latvia pages is borderline useless, because so many of her
pages aren't online anymore, and because the content of her pages is
supposed to be on Jewishgen soon anyway. The database of links to
pages on the Latvian Archives website is potentially useful, but I
think that by putting the records on Jewishgen with links to the
Latvian Archives website, I've made my own websites redundant. That
basically leaves the noncompetitive practice games, which I don't
monitor, so I don't know if they're used (or even working).

Anyway, if I'm wrong and I have created a useful service, tell me soon.

Stephen Weinstein
stephenweinstein@yahoo.com
Camarillo, CA, USA


German SIG #Germany Does anyone use the genealogy websites I set up years ago or can I stop renewing them? #germany

Stephen Weinstein
 

I set up two websites with the word "competitive" in the link years
ago and stopped paying attention. One of the registrations is up for
renewal (it expires October 8, coincidentally Erev Yom Kippur) and I'm
not sure if anyone uses either of them, plus GoDaddy has made renewing
feel like dealing with the IRS (apologies to the IRS), so I'm inclined
to just abandon them.

[If you don't use any websites with the word "competitive" in the
link, then this e[-mail doesn't pertain to you and you can stop
reading now. I'm not providing the link here because there are issues
with whether promoting the websites on JewishGen groups is allowed;
today, I'm just trying to gather information >from existing users, if
there are any.]

To renew, in addition to paying a small amount of money, GoDaddy says
that I also have to agree to multiple really long agreements (terms of
service, privacy policy, data processing addendum, etc.) that I don't
really have time to read -- and it's not all reasonable stuff that you
can just accept without reading. You're allowing them to run up your
phone bill by telemarketing you, to auto-renew in future years at
whatever price they want, etc. So if someone needs my sites to remain
live, then I'm going to have to go through all the agreements to make
sure that I can live with everything that's in them (or switch to a
different company with more acceptable terms -- which could take me
even more time). If nobody's using them anyway, I can just let them
expire (or let one expire and sell the other's domain name).

I know no one is using the paid research services (because I haven't
gotten any money after the first year) or the competitive games that
involve contacting me (because no one has). The database of links to
Christine's Latvia pages is borderline useless, because so many of her
pages aren't online anymore, and because the content of her pages is
supposed to be on Jewishgen soon anyway. The database of links to
pages on the Latvian Archives website is potentially useful, but I
think that by putting the records on Jewishgen with links to the
Latvian Archives website, I've made my own websites redundant. That
basically leaves the noncompetitive practice games, which I don't
monitor, so I don't know if they're used (or even working).

Anyway, if I'm wrong and I have created a useful service, tell me soon.

Stephen Weinstein
stephenweinstein@yahoo.com
Camarillo, CA, USA


Re: Which DNA test? #dna

Michael Good
 

Hi Arnold,

As Daniel mentioned, you definitely want to do an autosomal test to
start. At Family Tree DNA, that would be the Family Finder test. The
MTDNA test has very limited use in Jewish genealogy.

Please note that you can use swabs to create a sample for a spit test
like Ancestry or 23andMe. Follow the instructions in this "How to do
an AncestryDNA test *without* spit" article at:

http://anotherteenmom.com/reviews/how-to-do-an-ancestrydna-test-without-spit/

I did this for a family member who can't spit enough for a test, and
her Ancestry.DNA test has worked great.

Ancestry has the largest autosomal DNA database and the best
relationship estimates for Jewish ancestry. So if possible - if you're
willing to do the artificial spit test, and Ancestry sells to your
country - it's best to test at Ancestry and then do a free transfer to
Family Tree DNA and MyHeritage. If that's not feasible, though, go
ahead with the Family Finder test.

Good luck in your research!

Best regards,

Michael Good
Los Altos, California, USA


DNA Research #DNA Re: Which DNA test? #dna

Michael Good
 

Hi Arnold,

As Daniel mentioned, you definitely want to do an autosomal test to
start. At Family Tree DNA, that would be the Family Finder test. The
MTDNA test has very limited use in Jewish genealogy.

Please note that you can use swabs to create a sample for a spit test
like Ancestry or 23andMe. Follow the instructions in this "How to do
an AncestryDNA test *without* spit" article at:

http://anotherteenmom.com/reviews/how-to-do-an-ancestrydna-test-without-spit/

I did this for a family member who can't spit enough for a test, and
her Ancestry.DNA test has worked great.

Ancestry has the largest autosomal DNA database and the best
relationship estimates for Jewish ancestry. So if possible - if you're
willing to do the artificial spit test, and Ancestry sells to your
country - it's best to test at Ancestry and then do a free transfer to
Family Tree DNA and MyHeritage. If that's not feasible, though, go
ahead with the Family Finder test.

Good luck in your research!

Best regards,

Michael Good
Los Altos, California, USA


Re: Origin of Latvian Jews #latvia

Alex Shapiro <alex@...>
 

There's no need to believe in legends. These days it's just enough to
make a DNA test which will clearly show your roots.
You might also want to contact the Jewish Museum in Riga, on 6 Skolas
Street. They have plenty of information on the origins of Latvian Jews,
without resorting to any legends.

Regarding the source of Lithuanian Jews, >from me conversations with the
expert on this issue, Rabbi Josef Radinsky of blessed memory, it seems
that Lithuanian Jews mostly came >from Poland, Russia, Latvia, Belarus
and... Persia (Iran).

Shana Tova,
Alexander David Shapiro
Houston, TX

My understanding is that the legends of Sephardic roots for Latvian
and Lithuanian Jews are of recent origin, likely late 19th century, as
part of the fad of inventing claims of Sephardic origin around that
time. I have not seen a single case with evidence before that time.
See also John M. Efron, German Jewry and the Allure of the Sephardic
(2015). Randy Schoenberg Los Angeles, CA


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Origin of Latvian Jews #latvia

Alex Shapiro <alex@...>
 

There's no need to believe in legends. These days it's just enough to
make a DNA test which will clearly show your roots.
You might also want to contact the Jewish Museum in Riga, on 6 Skolas
Street. They have plenty of information on the origins of Latvian Jews,
without resorting to any legends.

Regarding the source of Lithuanian Jews, >from me conversations with the
expert on this issue, Rabbi Josef Radinsky of blessed memory, it seems
that Lithuanian Jews mostly came >from Poland, Russia, Latvia, Belarus
and... Persia (Iran).

Shana Tova,
Alexander David Shapiro
Houston, TX

My understanding is that the legends of Sephardic roots for Latvian
and Lithuanian Jews are of recent origin, likely late 19th century, as
part of the fad of inventing claims of Sephardic origin around that
time. I have not seen a single case with evidence before that time.
See also John M. Efron, German Jewry and the Allure of the Sephardic
(2015). Randy Schoenberg Los Angeles, CA


Re: Origin of Latvian Jews #latvia

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

My understanding is that the legends of Sephardic roots for Latvian and
Lithuanian Jews are of recent origin, likely late 19th century, as part
of the fad of inventing claims of Sephardic origin around that time. I
have not seen a single case with evidence before that time.

See also John M. Efron, German Jewry and the Allure of the Sephardic
(2015).

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Origin of Latvian Jews #latvia

E. Randol Schoenberg
 

My understanding is that the legends of Sephardic roots for Latvian and
Lithuanian Jews are of recent origin, likely late 19th century, as part
of the fad of inventing claims of Sephardic origin around that time. I
have not seen a single case with evidence before that time.

See also John M. Efron, German Jewry and the Allure of the Sephardic
(2015).

Randy Schoenberg
Los Angeles, CA


Re: Czech Holocaust Prisoners #general

tom
 

Based on what was done to the deportees >from Hungary, most were
probably never registered as "prisoners", because they were led
straight >from the rail cars to the gas chambers. Only the ones were
selected as suitable for slave labour were issued numbers and recorded.

....... tom klein, toronto

"Lande" <pdlande@starpower.net> wrote:

I am trying to determine the origin/basis of a number of pages, apparently
taken >from a book. The heading on the first page is Seznam csl. prislisniku
K.L.Dachau. The material consists of an extensive list of names with
additional information, e.g. Absolon Josef, farar, Lesna u Val Mezirci.
While religion is not given, some of the names indicate that they were
Jewish, others not. The mystery is compounded by the fact that most of
these names do not appear in Dachau records.

I would appreciate any suggestions as to the book >from which this list was
apparently taken, and why a "Dachau" list apparently contains many names of
persons who never entered Dachau.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Czech Holocaust Prisoners #general

tom
 

Based on what was done to the deportees >from Hungary, most were
probably never registered as "prisoners", because they were led
straight >from the rail cars to the gas chambers. Only the ones were
selected as suitable for slave labour were issued numbers and recorded.

....... tom klein, toronto

"Lande" <pdlande@starpower.net> wrote:

I am trying to determine the origin/basis of a number of pages, apparently
taken >from a book. The heading on the first page is Seznam csl. prislisniku
K.L.Dachau. The material consists of an extensive list of names with
additional information, e.g. Absolon Josef, farar, Lesna u Val Mezirci.
While religion is not given, some of the names indicate that they were
Jewish, others not. The mystery is compounded by the fact that most of
these names do not appear in Dachau records.

I would appreciate any suggestions as to the book >from which this list was
apparently taken, and why a "Dachau" list apparently contains many names of
persons who never entered Dachau.


Rabbi Mordekhai "Baal Halevushim" - Descendants in Turets #rabbinic

Alex Girshovich
 

Dear Group Mates,

I am working on my family roots, which led me to Rabbi Yosef of
Turets, near Nowvogrudok (today's Belarus). who was claimed to be the
5th generation of Rabbi Mordekhai JAFFE "Baal Halevushim".
[Source: Tidhar, D. (1952). Entsiklopedyah le-halutse ha-yishuv
u-vonav (Vol. 5, p. 2276). Retrieved from
http://www.tidhar.tourolib.org/tidhar/view/5/2276]

At this point, I am missing the continuous connection between the two
rabbis. Most probably, It was via R. Mordekhai's son Arye Leib. I
will be happy to receive any assistance or hints to resolve this brick
wall.

BR,
Alex Girshovich
Jerusalem, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi Mordekhai "Baal Halevushim" - Descendants in Turets #rabbinic

Alex Girshovich
 

Dear Group Mates,

I am working on my family roots, which led me to Rabbi Yosef of
Turets, near Nowvogrudok (today's Belarus). who was claimed to be the
5th generation of Rabbi Mordekhai JAFFE "Baal Halevushim".
[Source: Tidhar, D. (1952). Entsiklopedyah le-halutse ha-yishuv
u-vonav (Vol. 5, p. 2276). Retrieved from
http://www.tidhar.tourolib.org/tidhar/view/5/2276]

At this point, I am missing the continuous connection between the two
rabbis. Most probably, It was via R. Mordekhai's son Arye Leib. I
will be happy to receive any assistance or hints to resolve this brick
wall.

BR,
Alex Girshovich
Jerusalem, Israel

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