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Re: Surnames of Children of Second Marriage #galicia

Rafi Guber
 

Care should be exercised, I believe, in attempting to see legal
practices and the understanding of influence of law in the
Austro-Hungarian Empire the same way "Law" is understood in
America. Anecdotal evidence indicates that this would be even
more true in Galicia than in say Austria proper.

For example a community dominated by Jews either by demographics
or economic influence may well have been treated by local town
magistrates in a very different way than places where Jews were
few and poor. It can be dangerous and misleading to simply say
this was the law and apply it to all communities. Dangerous in
that it may lead to conclusions about family names which may
send the genealogist on a wild goose chase.

I have seen cases were family members were treated as if they
were married in civil law re; vital records, land records etc.
where there is absolutely no proof that the parents had a civil
marriage. In fact in some cases evidence points to the contrary.
My point is simply this - be careful about accepted conventions
and assumptions. I have known people who were involved in
genealogy for years and would not believe that people >from one
town could be related people in another town with the same rare
last names 3 kilometers way, because one town was within the
borders of "their SIG" and the other was not.

We are all served well when we treat the past with an open mind
and not apply constructs - (however necessary and useful these
constructs may be for us) in our time when the past should best
be viewed on its own terms.

Regards

Rafi Guber


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Surnames of Children of Second Marriage #galicia

Rafi Guber
 

Care should be exercised, I believe, in attempting to see legal
practices and the understanding of influence of law in the
Austro-Hungarian Empire the same way "Law" is understood in
America. Anecdotal evidence indicates that this would be even
more true in Galicia than in say Austria proper.

For example a community dominated by Jews either by demographics
or economic influence may well have been treated by local town
magistrates in a very different way than places where Jews were
few and poor. It can be dangerous and misleading to simply say
this was the law and apply it to all communities. Dangerous in
that it may lead to conclusions about family names which may
send the genealogist on a wild goose chase.

I have seen cases were family members were treated as if they
were married in civil law re; vital records, land records etc.
where there is absolutely no proof that the parents had a civil
marriage. In fact in some cases evidence points to the contrary.
My point is simply this - be careful about accepted conventions
and assumptions. I have known people who were involved in
genealogy for years and would not believe that people >from one
town could be related people in another town with the same rare
last names 3 kilometers way, because one town was within the
borders of "their SIG" and the other was not.

We are all served well when we treat the past with an open mind
and not apply constructs - (however necessary and useful these
constructs may be for us) in our time when the past should best
be viewed on its own terms.

Regards

Rafi Guber


search for Goldhammers in Slovakia and Hungary #hungary

hartj@...
 

My wife and I are planning a trip to Eastern Slovakia in the next three
weeks to search the cemeteries and archives for traces of the
Goldhammer family. My wife's father was a Goldhammer whose family came
from Krompachy in Slovakia to the Denver region. I have a pretty good
family tree for the Goldhammers that takes us back to the 1830s, but
very little >from before then. The Goldhammers emigrated the US in the
1860-1870 period. We will be taking photographs also of cemeteries and
synagogues in the region. Any suggestions >from the list are welcomed.
--
Jeffrey Hart
Department of Political Science
Indiana University
Woodburn Hall 210
Bloomington, IN 47405
tel. 812 855-9002
email: hartj@indiana.edu
web: http://mypage.iu.edu/~hartj


Hungary SIG #Hungary search for Goldhammers in Slovakia and Hungary #hungary

hartj@...
 

My wife and I are planning a trip to Eastern Slovakia in the next three
weeks to search the cemeteries and archives for traces of the
Goldhammer family. My wife's father was a Goldhammer whose family came
from Krompachy in Slovakia to the Denver region. I have a pretty good
family tree for the Goldhammers that takes us back to the 1830s, but
very little >from before then. The Goldhammers emigrated the US in the
1860-1870 period. We will be taking photographs also of cemeteries and
synagogues in the region. Any suggestions >from the list are welcomed.
--
Jeffrey Hart
Department of Political Science
Indiana University
Woodburn Hall 210
Bloomington, IN 47405
tel. 812 855-9002
email: hartj@indiana.edu
web: http://mypage.iu.edu/~hartj


Diabetes genetic disease among both Ashkenazim and Sephardim #rabbinic

Sandra <shula2933@...>
 

Marriage of cousins was quite common and not just in rabbinical
families. It was not just to preserve yichus. In many cases it was
also to keep money in the family and/or to be certain there had not
been any intermarriage or mental illness. Marrying a stranger posed
more of a risk. Marriages between cousins may have contributed to the
very high rate of diabetes among Jews both Sephardi and Ashkenazi.
We must remember there was no insulin in the 19th century and we have
no idea how many deaths were related to diabetes. This is far more
prevalent than Tay Sachs. Today diabetes is still a major killer with
its high prevalence of heart and kidney disease. Untreated diabetes
can also lead to mental illness and depression.

Sandra Levy - Jerusalem


Possible Sephardic connection #sephardic

Sharon/Peter Haas <haases@...>
 

Hi,

I am new to this SIG, but have been a participant in the "Austria-Czech", as
well as "Galician" SIGs for several months. Recently a very knowledgeable
member of those SIGs felt that, based on the surnames below (which don't
sound "Ashkenazi", or Austrian, or Polish), that some of my ancestors may
have been Sephardim that had settled in Galicia, and suggested my soliciting
inputs >from this SIG.

As to the specifics, I've been able to trace my maternal roots to
Galicia--i.e., Tarnow, Poland, which was/is in the Krakow Wojewodztwa.
Based on JewishGen's JRI-Poland search-tool, as well as other anecdotal
data, I have been able to trace three of my Galician ancestors as shown
below. I am now hoping that some of you might have thoughts about these
individuals, and/or their surnames, or about the general presence of
Sephardims in Galicia. If you do, please share them with me privately.

Thanks for your consideration.

Peter Haas - California

Am looking for clues as to the parents of the following maternal ancestors:

a. The parents of my ggm, Sara MARCHSE, a.k.a.MARESSE or MAREHSE
(b. 1852; Died 28 Nov 1900 in Vienna)

b. The parents of my gggf, Mendel BATIST (b. 1817; d. 17 Jan 1870 in
Galicia)

c. The parents of my gggm Golde BATIST (b. 1808; d. 28 Oct 1858 in
Galicia)

Thanks for your consideration.

Peter Haas - California


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Diabetes genetic disease among both Ashkenazim and Sephardim #rabbinic

Sandra <shula2933@...>
 

Marriage of cousins was quite common and not just in rabbinical
families. It was not just to preserve yichus. In many cases it was
also to keep money in the family and/or to be certain there had not
been any intermarriage or mental illness. Marrying a stranger posed
more of a risk. Marriages between cousins may have contributed to the
very high rate of diabetes among Jews both Sephardi and Ashkenazi.
We must remember there was no insulin in the 19th century and we have
no idea how many deaths were related to diabetes. This is far more
prevalent than Tay Sachs. Today diabetes is still a major killer with
its high prevalence of heart and kidney disease. Untreated diabetes
can also lead to mental illness and depression.

Sandra Levy - Jerusalem


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim Possible Sephardic connection #sephardic

Sharon/Peter Haas <haases@...>
 

Hi,

I am new to this SIG, but have been a participant in the "Austria-Czech", as
well as "Galician" SIGs for several months. Recently a very knowledgeable
member of those SIGs felt that, based on the surnames below (which don't
sound "Ashkenazi", or Austrian, or Polish), that some of my ancestors may
have been Sephardim that had settled in Galicia, and suggested my soliciting
inputs >from this SIG.

As to the specifics, I've been able to trace my maternal roots to
Galicia--i.e., Tarnow, Poland, which was/is in the Krakow Wojewodztwa.
Based on JewishGen's JRI-Poland search-tool, as well as other anecdotal
data, I have been able to trace three of my Galician ancestors as shown
below. I am now hoping that some of you might have thoughts about these
individuals, and/or their surnames, or about the general presence of
Sephardims in Galicia. If you do, please share them with me privately.

Thanks for your consideration.

Peter Haas - California

Am looking for clues as to the parents of the following maternal ancestors:

a. The parents of my ggm, Sara MARCHSE, a.k.a.MARESSE or MAREHSE
(b. 1852; Died 28 Nov 1900 in Vienna)

b. The parents of my gggf, Mendel BATIST (b. 1817; d. 17 Jan 1870 in
Galicia)

c. The parents of my gggm Golde BATIST (b. 1808; d. 28 Oct 1858 in
Galicia)

Thanks for your consideration.

Peter Haas - California


EVIAN/EVENS/EVAN/EVANS Family #latinamerica

Michelle Essers
 

Hi

My family surname was originally EVIAN. This was changed to EVANS and
EVENS, EVAN, etc. when my Zeida and some of his brothers emigrated
from Lithuania to South Africa around early 1900's.
My grandfather was Samuel Evens (Shmuel ben Nisan). He came to South
Africa in the early 1900's >from Panveveyzs, Lithuania. His older
brothers Yossel aka Joseph and Jockel and Heschel/Hessel also came
here and his sister Hinda/Ruchel/Rose /Rachel who was married to
Karpel GULIN went to America.

There was another brother Morris/Maurice. Two of Morris' children and
his wife were shot dead while running >from the front lines in
Lithuania during WWI.

Their father (my great grandfather) was Nisan b. abt 1859 and wife was
Sora/Hassie (Sadie/Hadassha?) FARB
Sora d. 1918 of plague in Crimea. This is all I have on them.

Yockel (born abt 1874) Evans had 5 children: Nathan, Mike/Mishka,
Charlie/Chatzka, Tilly/Typka and Leah/Laika .

Yossel/Joseph (born abt 1881) had 4 children: Barney, Leah, Maisie and Nathan

Samuel (born abt 1897) had Barney Louis, Sadie Chassie and Nathan.

My immediate family is >from SA, but we have relatives in America,
Israel and South America. I know we have some 'family' in the UK, my
cousin Stephanie once upon a time met with them, but she cant remember
any details.

I believe there is some family in Chile as well.

Common names of my grandparents generation were Samuel/Shmuel, Yossel,
Yockel, Joseph, Nissan/Nathan/Natie, Sora/Hassie/Sadie, Barney and
Denise.

If you have any information, no matter how little, please contact me
on michelleessers@yahoo.co.uk.

Many thanks

Michelle Essers


Latin America #LatinAmerica EVIAN/EVENS/EVAN/EVANS Family #latinamerica

Michelle Essers
 

Hi

My family surname was originally EVIAN. This was changed to EVANS and
EVENS, EVAN, etc. when my Zeida and some of his brothers emigrated
from Lithuania to South Africa around early 1900's.
My grandfather was Samuel Evens (Shmuel ben Nisan). He came to South
Africa in the early 1900's >from Panveveyzs, Lithuania. His older
brothers Yossel aka Joseph and Jockel and Heschel/Hessel also came
here and his sister Hinda/Ruchel/Rose /Rachel who was married to
Karpel GULIN went to America.

There was another brother Morris/Maurice. Two of Morris' children and
his wife were shot dead while running >from the front lines in
Lithuania during WWI.

Their father (my great grandfather) was Nisan b. abt 1859 and wife was
Sora/Hassie (Sadie/Hadassha?) FARB
Sora d. 1918 of plague in Crimea. This is all I have on them.

Yockel (born abt 1874) Evans had 5 children: Nathan, Mike/Mishka,
Charlie/Chatzka, Tilly/Typka and Leah/Laika .

Yossel/Joseph (born abt 1881) had 4 children: Barney, Leah, Maisie and Nathan

Samuel (born abt 1897) had Barney Louis, Sadie Chassie and Nathan.

My immediate family is >from SA, but we have relatives in America,
Israel and South America. I know we have some 'family' in the UK, my
cousin Stephanie once upon a time met with them, but she cant remember
any details.

I believe there is some family in Chile as well.

Common names of my grandparents generation were Samuel/Shmuel, Yossel,
Yockel, Joseph, Nissan/Nathan/Natie, Sora/Hassie/Sadie, Barney and
Denise.

If you have any information, no matter how little, please contact me
on michelleessers@yahoo.co.uk.

Many thanks

Michelle Essers


Re: Lodz Cemetery #poland #lodz

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

As Barbara Rubinstein mentioned, you can search on the Lodz
Cemetery website to find the location of the plots IF you
already know the section, as does Avichai.

For those who do not have this information yet, that
requires searching EVERY section one at a time for the list
of names of people buried there. Steve Morse created a more
efficient way to search by name at:
http://stevemorse.org/lodz/lodz.html

Results list the names and sections in the cemetery. Once you
have the section number, then look at the map on the Lodz
Cemetery website to find the section location.
http://www.jewishlodzcemetery.org/cmentarzEN.html

I noticed JOWBR listed some but not all the names I was able
to find through the Morse One-Step website.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
New York


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland RE: Lodz Cemetery #lodz #poland

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

As Barbara Rubinstein mentioned, you can search on the Lodz
Cemetery website to find the location of the plots IF you
already know the section, as does Avichai.

For those who do not have this information yet, that
requires searching EVERY section one at a time for the list
of names of people buried there. Steve Morse created a more
efficient way to search by name at:
http://stevemorse.org/lodz/lodz.html

Results list the names and sections in the cemetery. Once you
have the section number, then look at the map on the Lodz
Cemetery website to find the section location.
http://www.jewishlodzcemetery.org/cmentarzEN.html

I noticed JOWBR listed some but not all the names I was able
to find through the Morse One-Step website.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
New York


Re: given name Schendl #hungary

svass@...
 

LDS film 2428022, item 4 shows a Schendl HAMM dying at age 84 in
Trencsen city, Trencsen megye on 10 October 1832. Therefore the name
was in use.
A Wolf Diamant was born in Rudina to Isak DIAMANT and Tany TAUB on 20
March 1844, Varin BMD LDS film, also in Trencsen Megye.

Sam Vass, Kent, WA, USA

On Jul 18, 2009, Peter Rohel wrote:

Subject: Searching for Town - Oberlitz, Nyitra Co. and - given name
- Schendel
From: peterrohel@yahoo.ca

I am searching for the family of Schendel DIAMANT in Slovakia or
Hungary.
She is the wife of Rabbi Israel (Izrael) FRIEDMANN Born: abt 1793
in ?Senica
/Szenitz, Slovakia. Residence: since 1825 Budapest, Trommelgasse #20,
Hungary. Died: Aug 30, 1881 in Budapest.

.....

1) do you know the current name of town Oberlitz?
2) given name Schendel: - many surnames on the web, but I have not
come
across another 1st name Schendel. Do you know of possible variants?


Virag FEKETE (searching: REICHENFELD) #hungary

golanron@...
 

Dear fellow H-SIGgers,

I am looking for Virag FEKETE, who listed her REICHENFELD ancestors >from
Gyor back in 2004 on the JGFF.

If you have a contact to Virag, kindly contact me privately.

Many thanks,

Rony Golan
Israel

Researching:

EISDORFER, GOLDSTEIN, FRIEDMAN - Hungary
NEIMAN (NAJMAN) - Beddo (Bedevla) now in the Ukrain.
SLOMOVITS, MOLDOVAN - Sighet, Rozavlea, Strimtere
KRMARUTSKY, KARIVAROUCKI, PAKELCHIK - Kaunas, Lithuania


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: given name Schendl #hungary

svass@...
 

LDS film 2428022, item 4 shows a Schendl HAMM dying at age 84 in
Trencsen city, Trencsen megye on 10 October 1832. Therefore the name
was in use.
A Wolf Diamant was born in Rudina to Isak DIAMANT and Tany TAUB on 20
March 1844, Varin BMD LDS film, also in Trencsen Megye.

Sam Vass, Kent, WA, USA

On Jul 18, 2009, Peter Rohel wrote:

Subject: Searching for Town - Oberlitz, Nyitra Co. and - given name
- Schendel
From: peterrohel@yahoo.ca

I am searching for the family of Schendel DIAMANT in Slovakia or
Hungary.
She is the wife of Rabbi Israel (Izrael) FRIEDMANN Born: abt 1793
in ?Senica
/Szenitz, Slovakia. Residence: since 1825 Budapest, Trommelgasse #20,
Hungary. Died: Aug 30, 1881 in Budapest.

.....

1) do you know the current name of town Oberlitz?
2) given name Schendel: - many surnames on the web, but I have not
come
across another 1st name Schendel. Do you know of possible variants?


Hungary SIG #Hungary Virag FEKETE (searching: REICHENFELD) #hungary

golanron@...
 

Dear fellow H-SIGgers,

I am looking for Virag FEKETE, who listed her REICHENFELD ancestors >from
Gyor back in 2004 on the JGFF.

If you have a contact to Virag, kindly contact me privately.

Many thanks,

Rony Golan
Israel

Researching:

EISDORFER, GOLDSTEIN, FRIEDMAN - Hungary
NEIMAN (NAJMAN) - Beddo (Bedevla) now in the Ukrain.
SLOMOVITS, MOLDOVAN - Sighet, Rozavlea, Strimtere
KRMARUTSKY, KARIVAROUCKI, PAKELCHIK - Kaunas, Lithuania


Visiting Subotica-Not #hungary

cia@...
 

To fellow h-siggers who asked for feedback about my planned visit to
Subotica, I'm sorry to say that I did not make that part of the trip >from
Hungary.There were two reasons: the person who was to accompany me did not
have his travel papers in order and I was warned by a number of individuals
that the situation in Serbia was volatile and unsafe.Apparently there have
been attacks on Hungarian-speaking people and cars with Hungarian plates
have been vandalized.The fact that my repeated phone calls and e-mails to
the Jewish community centre in Subotica had gone unanswered did not increase
my confidence. I still hope to make this trip another time and will report
back if I am fortunate enough to do so.
For now, any one who is interested in feedback on Bekescsaba, Oroshaza or
Godollo(echoes of Nyiracsad), feel free to contact me.

Catherine Adam
Toronto, Canada

Researching ADAM, KULPIN, SCHONTHAL, KOHN, LOWI, KISS, SCHWARZ, KLEIN


Hungary SIG #Hungary Visiting Subotica-Not #hungary

cia@...
 

To fellow h-siggers who asked for feedback about my planned visit to
Subotica, I'm sorry to say that I did not make that part of the trip >from
Hungary.There were two reasons: the person who was to accompany me did not
have his travel papers in order and I was warned by a number of individuals
that the situation in Serbia was volatile and unsafe.Apparently there have
been attacks on Hungarian-speaking people and cars with Hungarian plates
have been vandalized.The fact that my repeated phone calls and e-mails to
the Jewish community centre in Subotica had gone unanswered did not increase
my confidence. I still hope to make this trip another time and will report
back if I am fortunate enough to do so.
For now, any one who is interested in feedback on Bekescsaba, Oroshaza or
Godollo(echoes of Nyiracsad), feel free to contact me.

Catherine Adam
Toronto, Canada

Researching ADAM, KULPIN, SCHONTHAL, KOHN, LOWI, KISS, SCHWARZ, KLEIN


Help With Viewmate Translation #germany

Pete Vanlaw <pvan@...>
 

Please help with the translation of a ViewMate file a birth certificate
of my cousin, Eva BARUCH.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate) in the To View/Image Gallery section
- as file - VM13171.

Thank you, Pete Vanlaw Studio City, CA


German SIG #Germany Help With Viewmate Translation #germany

Pete Vanlaw <pvan@...>
 

Please help with the translation of a ViewMate file a birth certificate
of my cousin, Eva BARUCH.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate) in the To View/Image Gallery section
- as file - VM13171.

Thank you, Pete Vanlaw Studio City, CA