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Re: Mother Instead of Father on Gravestone #general #germany

Lindsay Broughton
 

Hi

 

I have found a number of gravestones with the mother’s name on them in Hungary and Slovakia, including the gravestone of my great great grandparents, Wilhelm LOVINGER and Amalie LOVINGER  nee MILCH, who are buried in the Bratislava Neolog Jewish Cemetery. I've also seen similar gravestones in the Kozma Utca Jewish Cemetery and Farkasreti Jewish Cemetery in Budapest. Both my great great grandparents knew who their fathers were and both of their respective parents were Jewish. I believe that having the mother’s name on a gravestone, for people in Hungary and Slovakia at least, would have been related to the fact that the person was part of the Neolog community, as opposed to the Orthodox community, and that this practice was one of the reforms of the time associated with the Neolog movement.

Some gravestones with the mother’s name on them include the Hebrew abbreviation Shin Aleph, which is an abbreviation for Shem Ima, meaning mother’s name.

 

Lindsay Broughton

Sydney, Australia

Re: Mother Instead of Father on Gravestone #general #germany

Dubin, David M. MD
 

Although it’s possible the father’s name was not known (maybe he had died many years before or there was a messy divorce and people didn’t want to remember the name), Jews in Bratislava and a few surrounding towns traditionally only had the mother’s name on tombstones.

The apparent explanation is that the deceased was headed toward the next world (called the “world of truth”), and since paternity could not be proven with certainty, the mother’s name was used. 

Re: A question about tattoos and Auschwitz #general #holocaust

Dubin, David M. MD
 

My father in law was in an Auschwitz sub-camp (Gleiwice) and Sachsenhausen. I don’t know in which he was tattooed. I think the former. 

Re: A question about age #general

JoAnne Goldberg
 

Mollie might have been someone else's child -- or maybe she was 9 mos
old. I have seen the month vs year confusion in family's records.
--
JoAnne Goldberg - Menlo Park, California; GEDmatch M131535
BLOCH, SEGAL, FRIDMAN, KAMINSKY, PLOTNIK/KIN -- LIthuania
GOLDSCHMIDT, HAMMERSCHLAG,HEILBRUNN, REIS(S), EDELMUTH, ROTHSCHILD, SPEI(Y)ER -- Hesse, Germany
COHEN, KAMP, HARFF, FLECK, FRÖHLICH, HAUSMANN,  DANIEL  -- Rhineland, Germany

 

Re: looking for family in Australia from Poland name Cohen/K #general #poland

Daniela Torsh
 

another way of finding someone is to check the arrivals by ship via the National Archives records. These are easy to use. If you cannot find anything write to the National Archives and they will help you find records.

Re: Piesklaik Family #general

Sherri Bobish
 


Hi Lawrie,

The surname Piesklaik (that exact spelling) seems to be rare, and limited to Canada.  A search of both www.familysearch.org and www.ancestry.com find only a handful of listings in databases.

I did find that there are two people with that name who were with The Lagover Mutual Benefit Society.
https://jri-poland.org//kr-sig/journals/Kielce-Radom%20Journal_Vol%203,%20No%204_Autumn%201999.pdf

The Society still exists. 
https://www.jewishfoundationtoronto.com/book-of-life-stories/-00lagover

Perhaps this society may hold records of members which contain helpful data.

I did find at Ancestry.com a Louis Piesklaik making a U.S. border crossing on 13 Oct 1923

His card has a place of birth, but the card is terribly hard to read.  My best guess is that it might say Raiff, or Laiff as the town name.  The country Russia is clear to read.

A soundex search at https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp
finds a few hits for both spellings, but no clear possibilities for the town.

Perhaps one of our JewishGen mavens can help solve this mystery?

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ



Re: Chasing a Mystery in Philly, and Looking for Puzzle Pieces: Abraham Louis Snader #usa

marlise@...
 

I understand what you are saying Edrie.  I asked for my great great aunt's death certificate from PA by saying that I was her niece, and they sent me the record.  I did not have to provide any documentation.  It was not a problem for me, but it could be for someone else.

Marlise Ellis Gross
Cherry Hill, NJ

Re: Institutionalized relative - death date and burial location #general

Linda Epstein
 

Try searching the New York State Index and see if the death record is from Central Islip. It's possible that Ida was buried in the cemetery attached to Pilgrim State. 

Try this site:
https://www.tourolaw.edu/Academics/1238

Linda Epstein

Chicago repeat marriage in mid 20th C. #general #usa

Hanna Grossman
 

Can someone make a suggestion as to why my 4th cousin once removed, Max KIRCHHEIMER (KIRK) who said in his citizenship papers that he married Alice FREUDENTHAL in Chicago on 12 Nov 1938, whose 1940 census shows him living as married with Alice, her parents, siblings and their baby, should show up in a Cook County marriage index as marrying her on 27 Oct 1950?



What reason might there be for marrying the same person again? There is no indication that they were divorced in between.

Hanna Grossman, Arlington, VA

Re: A question about age #general

Sherri Bobish
 


Hi Ellen,

Was Mollie NADLER born in England?  If so, have you looked for her birth record at:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Based on the info that you have given, my guess would be that Solomon & Annie were raising someone else's child.  Perhaps a sibling or cousin of either Annie or Solomon?

Regards,

Sherri Bobish
Princeton, NJ

Re: Mother Instead of Father on Gravestone #general #germany

sfalkjd@...
 

I have seen this once on a gravestone in Vienna of my g-g-g-g-g aunt Rosa FISCHHOF geb. FRIEDLAENDER (ca.1787-1860).   Her father was named Joseph FRIEDLAENDER and her oldest son was named Josef.  It seems unlikely that the father's name could have been forgotten, since the namesake grandson was around for over 50 years (though he did die 3 years before his mother).  Based on the birth of the namesake in 1804, and the the seeming re-marriage of this wife in about 1804 (had a son in 1805),I have assumed that Rosa's father died in 1803 or 1804.

There is no reason to doubt that Joseph FRIEDLAENDER was Jewish.  However, I could entertain the possibility that he did not die in 1804, but instead that he converted to Christianity around that time (no evidence), leading to a divorce from his wife (no evidence) so that she could re-marry ca.1804 -- and leading to his omission from his daughter's gravestone.  (Though his daughter did name a son after him in 1804; not so likely if had converted and not died.)

I have wondered about this reference to the mother and not the father on a gravestone, but have not learned the reason for this specific instance or the occasional appearance of this phenomenon.

All the best,
Stephen Falk
Point Roberts, WA, USA

Don’t Miss the Webinar on July 8! #education #JewishGenUpdates

Nancy Siegel
 

We invite you to attend another free presentation in our series of JewishGen Talks webinars, with our speaker, Dr. Joel Weintraub.

 

Manifest Destiny: Names at Ellis Island

Wednesday, July 8, 2020

3:00 pm Eastern Time (New York)

Presented in Partnership with the Orange County JGS

 

About 70% of immigrants to the U.S. during 1892 through 1954 came through the Ellis Island immigration station. The station’s history, including the Wall of Honor, and the changing questions on ship manifest forms, will be shown.

 

The pressures of the "Great Migration" eventually led to immigration quotas. The persistent myth of name changes at Ellis Island will be analyzed. Twenty percent of processed immigrants ended up on detention sheets, and we will discuss where those can be found. Finally, with case studies, we will find out how to use all three (3!) of the ship name indexes.

 

After this talk the audience should have a clear idea of the process the immigrants went through, and a greater appreciation of the manifest as a genealogy research tool.

 

Dr. Joel Weintraub is an award-winning Professor Emeritus at California State University Fullerton; creator of search tools for the U.S. and New York City censuses via SteveMorse.org; and is currently developing locational tools for the 2022 release of the 1950 federal census.

 

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Re: Relationship question #general

Nicole Heymans
 

My mother's aunt married a widower with 4 very young children, some time in the 1920s. The grandchildren were adults before they discovered grandma was not their biological grandma.
Death records are notoriously unreliable because they rely on what informants think they know. Maybe Annie was married to or widow of a NADLER when she died, but had previously been married to a WALDHORN. Maybe Aron and Annie followed different religious paths, and one described her parents using secular names and the other used Jewish names.
Happy hunting, Nicole Heymans, Belgium

Re: Relationship question #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

Many years ago, when early deaths were common, kids often took the family name of the stepfather after their widowed mother remarried. It is possible that one or both of these children, Annie WALDHORN and Aron KENIG, did this. If the death certificate says her name was Annie KENIG NADLER, then married WALDHORN, this might have happened here.

Annie might have been born to the mother and father KENIG, but her mother was widowed and remarried NADLER. Since you don't have all the first names, we have a lot of 'wiggle room'. It is possible too, that her mother died then, and her stepfather remarried, so that the children might only have known the stepfather and 2nd (or third) wife. Things weren't officially recorded if a parent died and the remaining parent remarried. It is so sad to see a 20 year old widow or widower remarrying.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

New Face Book group for Jews interned in Shanghai WW 2 #announcements

Miriam Margolyes
 

I'd like to alert Genners to a new FB group; https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=2393633830932600&ref=br_rs
Shanghai Internees & Jewish Refugee Group 1945. We should remember those interned on 15 Aug 2020, which marks the 75th Anniversary of the liberation of Shanghai.

Miriam Margolyes
Clapham, S. London

Re: Need help to locate family in Mukachevo-Munkacs #ukraine

paveanyu@...
 

I wonder, were/are your Friedman Family from Munkachevo  -Kohanim or Yisroel?

Do you have any 'other' family info? 

I am a nee Friedman, so was My late Mother-in law.

To my knowledge, my late mother-in law's  grandfather was Dayan Zvi- Hakoheb Friedman--Dayan of Beregovo/ Kezmark ? 

I wonder, what is written on his -Abraham Friedman's Matzevah?

Guth Wocht
Veronika Pachtinger

Re: Death in New York City and burial in New Jersey #usa #germany

Deanna Levinsky
 

I can personally attest to people from New York being buried in New Jersey. My father bought plots in NJ while we were living in the Bronx. Reason 1-It wasn't that far away, 2- Very inexpensive (at that time) especially compared to NY, 3- Burial spaces in NYC and close environs were not that plentiful, 4- nicer landscaping, 5- newer cemeteries offered flat markers rather than tombstones; this was less expensive and made perpetual care possible at no cost. I would be happy to donate 4 plots to a worthy Jewish organization
--
Deanna M. Levinsky, Long Island, NY

Re: Death in New York City and burial in New Jersey #usa #germany

allenhausman@...
 

The Jewish emigrants from Eastern Europe living in the Lower East Side and other parts of Manhattan early on recognized the inevitable by forming burial societies that acquired space in the outer boroughs, and across the Hudson in northern New Jersey.  My grandparents and parents rest together with extended family in a family circle plot in Beth Israel Memorial Park  in Woodbridge, New Jersey.  These were New Yorkers buried in New Jersey  Tens of thousands are buried at Beth Israel.   

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How to make sense of two death records that don't make sense to me #germany

Shana Millstein
 

While research my German relative Seraphina LICHTENSTEIN WETZLAR I’ve come across an odd situation that I’m not sure how to interpret.  I found what I believed to be her death record from 1901: 88 year old Seraphina Lichtenstein, a widow of B. Wetzlar, and the daughter of the dancing-master Levi Lichtenstein and his wife Henriette born Lichtenstedter both deceased. The record was read, approved and signed by Leopold Wetzlar (son of Seraphina).

I then found an earlier record of the 1890 death of 84 year old Seraphine Lichtenstein, unmarried. It would be easy to conclude this is a different person with the same name, but the record also states that she was the daughter of the dance-teacher Israel Levi Lichtenstein and wife Friedericke, born Lichtenstäd. This record was read, approved and signed by Henriette Lichtenstein. Any ideas to make sense of this?  

Re: SAM WEISSBERGER - U.S. Social Security Applications and Claims, 1936-2007 #general

Vivian Kahn
 

Rokytov is a village and municipality in Bardejov District in the Prešov Region of north-east Slovakia. It was formerly Homonna-Rokito, Zemplen.
I found birth record in the  JewishGen Hungary Database for WEISSBERGER Samuel born 18 Oct 1878 in Hommona-Rokito, Zemplen.  His parents were WEISZBERGER David and MOSKOVITS Szara/Szure. Rokytov is nowhere near Budapest but Budapest is the only place in Hungary that many Americans can recognize.

Vivian Kahn, Santa Rosa, California
JewishGen Hungarian Research Director