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Request for Russian/Ukrainian translation of 3 birth records #ukraine

ghmarcus@...
 

Hi,

I've posted 4 files containing 3 birth records >from Odessa dating >from the late 1800s on ViewMate. The files are: 72731, 72732, 72733, and 72734. (In one case, the top of the page and the birth record I want are in separate files.)

Given the time period, they are probably in Russian, but they could be Ukrainian.

I am interested in only one of the births on each of the records. My comments on the ViewMate page indicate the number of the entry I would like translated. I do not need translations of any other birth announcements on the page.

I would like to have as complete a translation as possible - the dates of birth, the parents' names and other information about them, and the names of the children. I believe that all of these birth records are for one set of parents. If that is the case, I would only need one translation, but I would like to know if that are any variations in the way their names are documented. If so, I'd like to know all the variations.

Of particular note - there is a word in the column for the parents that I believe is a place name. I would like to know what that place is, and if anyone understands, whether this indicates where the parents were born, or if not where they were born, what the significance of the place name is for these people.

Finally, there is also a column in between the dates and the names of the parents with an entry at the top of the page that seems to apply to all the entries. I'd welcome a translation of that as well.

Thank you in advance for any assistance in these translations.

Gary Marcus

Moderator's Note: Private replies to Gary or use the form on Viewmate.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Request for Russian/Ukrainian translation of 3 birth records #ukraine

ghmarcus@...
 

Hi,

I've posted 4 files containing 3 birth records >from Odessa dating >from the late 1800s on ViewMate. The files are: 72731, 72732, 72733, and 72734. (In one case, the top of the page and the birth record I want are in separate files.)

Given the time period, they are probably in Russian, but they could be Ukrainian.

I am interested in only one of the births on each of the records. My comments on the ViewMate page indicate the number of the entry I would like translated. I do not need translations of any other birth announcements on the page.

I would like to have as complete a translation as possible - the dates of birth, the parents' names and other information about them, and the names of the children. I believe that all of these birth records are for one set of parents. If that is the case, I would only need one translation, but I would like to know if that are any variations in the way their names are documented. If so, I'd like to know all the variations.

Of particular note - there is a word in the column for the parents that I believe is a place name. I would like to know what that place is, and if anyone understands, whether this indicates where the parents were born, or if not where they were born, what the significance of the place name is for these people.

Finally, there is also a column in between the dates and the names of the parents with an entry at the top of the page that seems to apply to all the entries. I'd welcome a translation of that as well.

Thank you in advance for any assistance in these translations.

Gary Marcus

Moderator's Note: Private replies to Gary or use the form on Viewmate.


Georg /Gillel (Hillel) given names #ukraine

Nathalie Ried <njried@...>
 

Shalom to all,

I tried to use the Given Names database but it doesn't seem to be
available, so I'm asking for your help :
I'm trying to get an idea of whether the Hebrew name Hillel (Gillel
following the Russian pronunciation) was commonly associated with the
Russian given name Georg in the late 19th, early 20th century in
Ukraine.
I have some clues suggesting my grandfather George, born in Rostov in
1899 in an Odessa-based family, may have been given the Hebrew name
Gillel / Hillel but I lack conclusive evidence.

Any example would be of interest
Thanks a lot in advance and best >from France,

Nathalie


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Georg /Gillel (Hillel) given names #ukraine

Nathalie Ried <njried@...>
 

Shalom to all,

I tried to use the Given Names database but it doesn't seem to be
available, so I'm asking for your help :
I'm trying to get an idea of whether the Hebrew name Hillel (Gillel
following the Russian pronunciation) was commonly associated with the
Russian given name Georg in the late 19th, early 20th century in
Ukraine.
I have some clues suggesting my grandfather George, born in Rostov in
1899 in an Odessa-based family, may have been given the Hebrew name
Gillel / Hillel but I lack conclusive evidence.

Any example would be of interest
Thanks a lot in advance and best >from France,

Nathalie


Searching for contact information for the children of Chaskiel LAUER #general

Judith Elam
 

Chaskiel LAUER was the last person to see my maternal grandmother and little
aunty alive. They were all deported on 21 January 1942 >from Leipzig to
Riga. Chaskiel was 14 at the time. I have received documents >from an
archive in Hanover, in which my mother states that in 1950 she met Chaskiel,
who told her exactly what happened to my grandmother and aunt. My mother
states that her little sister Etti Lea MENDZIGURSKY (then 7 years old) was
"separated >from her mother and killed first". I assume this must refer to
after they were loaded on to the train and during the transit, because they
never did arrive at Riga. It also conflicts with what my mother told me
years ago, that her mother and little sister had frozen to death. But my
mother had also filed a POT on Yad Vashem stating that little Etti Lea had
been used for medical experiments. The fact is, only Chaskiel LAUER knew
exactly what had happened to them, because he appears to have witnessed
their deaths.

Chaskiel LAUER survived the Holocaust, ending up in London and then Israel,
where he died in Netanya in 1993. I have found Stoke Newington birth
records for his children, Nigel H. LAUER (born 1963), Sarah M. LAUER (born
1957) and Gary Jonathan LAUER (born 1960). I have found a tree on Geni.com
and Ancestry.com and messaged the managers. I have found his wife Vivienne
COUSIN LAUER, and their children on Facebook, and messaged them. They are
not active FB users.

Please can someone find a personal email address or phone number for any of
these 3 children, who I believe all live in England. Maybe, just maybe,
their father talked to them about my grandmother and little aunty. And if I
knew how Chaskiel had survived and what he had witnessed, I might be able to
finally have an answer as to what happened to my grandmother and aunt. My
mother tried to find out all her life, so now it is my turn to take on this
task. Please respond privately.

Judith E. Elam
Kihei, Hawaii
mailto:elamj@hawaii.rr.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for contact information for the children of Chaskiel LAUER #general

Judith Elam
 

Chaskiel LAUER was the last person to see my maternal grandmother and little
aunty alive. They were all deported on 21 January 1942 >from Leipzig to
Riga. Chaskiel was 14 at the time. I have received documents >from an
archive in Hanover, in which my mother states that in 1950 she met Chaskiel,
who told her exactly what happened to my grandmother and aunt. My mother
states that her little sister Etti Lea MENDZIGURSKY (then 7 years old) was
"separated >from her mother and killed first". I assume this must refer to
after they were loaded on to the train and during the transit, because they
never did arrive at Riga. It also conflicts with what my mother told me
years ago, that her mother and little sister had frozen to death. But my
mother had also filed a POT on Yad Vashem stating that little Etti Lea had
been used for medical experiments. The fact is, only Chaskiel LAUER knew
exactly what had happened to them, because he appears to have witnessed
their deaths.

Chaskiel LAUER survived the Holocaust, ending up in London and then Israel,
where he died in Netanya in 1993. I have found Stoke Newington birth
records for his children, Nigel H. LAUER (born 1963), Sarah M. LAUER (born
1957) and Gary Jonathan LAUER (born 1960). I have found a tree on Geni.com
and Ancestry.com and messaged the managers. I have found his wife Vivienne
COUSIN LAUER, and their children on Facebook, and messaged them. They are
not active FB users.

Please can someone find a personal email address or phone number for any of
these 3 children, who I believe all live in England. Maybe, just maybe,
their father talked to them about my grandmother and little aunty. And if I
knew how Chaskiel had survived and what he had witnessed, I might be able to
finally have an answer as to what happened to my grandmother and aunt. My
mother tried to find out all her life, so now it is my turn to take on this
task. Please respond privately.

Judith E. Elam
Kihei, Hawaii
mailto:elamj@hawaii.rr.com


Going to BRICHEVA (and KISHINEV) #bessarabia

Ayana Kimron Genealogy
 

I am going to Bricheva and Kishinev on the 25th of April for
docu-genealogical purposes.
If you are interested in Bricheva (or Kishinev), please write me directly.

Ayana KimRon
Forensic Genealogist
Israel


Bessarabia SIG #Bessarabia Going to BRICHEVA (and KISHINEV) #bessarabia

Ayana Kimron Genealogy
 

I am going to Bricheva and Kishinev on the 25th of April for
docu-genealogical purposes.
If you are interested in Bricheva (or Kishinev), please write me directly.

Ayana KimRon
Forensic Genealogist
Israel


Fajba CHOROSUCH #general

George Fogelson
 

Fajba CHOROSUCH who was born 15.11.1897 in Sniadowie in Lomza
Province. He was married to Brajna WIDMAN and their son's name was
Izak CHOROSUCH born 23.3.1937 in Lomza.

They survived the war and were trying to immigrate to Argentina or Paraguay.

I am trying to find out the name of the parents of Fajba CHOROSUCH and
what happened to the family after 1947. Did they reach South America?
Did they change their surname? I sent an email to the lomza bialystok
archive today.

Any information or suggestions on how to continue my search please contact
me at

George FOGELSON
fogelson@berkeley.edu
Redondo Beach, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Fajba CHOROSUCH #general

George Fogelson
 

Fajba CHOROSUCH who was born 15.11.1897 in Sniadowie in Lomza
Province. He was married to Brajna WIDMAN and their son's name was
Izak CHOROSUCH born 23.3.1937 in Lomza.

They survived the war and were trying to immigrate to Argentina or Paraguay.

I am trying to find out the name of the parents of Fajba CHOROSUCH and
what happened to the family after 1947. Did they reach South America?
Did they change their surname? I sent an email to the lomza bialystok
archive today.

Any information or suggestions on how to continue my search please contact
me at

George FOGELSON
fogelson@berkeley.edu
Redondo Beach, CA


Re: especially long matching DNA segment #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

Ellen,
I am in the same boat. I have one match with 4 segments (My Heritage) but
the longest is 66.6 cMs and my match has only three surnames in his tree.
And common matches >from both sides of my family. Any and all suggestions
welcomed.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
https://sarahsgenies.com

^^^
Can someone please explain if there is any significance to a DNA match that
is relatively small, but that has one very long matching segment.

I have one instance where the total amount of matching DNA is only 59.9
centiMorgans, but there is one shared segment of 45.5 cMs.
I have a 2nd instance where the total amount of matching DNA is only 85
centiMorgans, but there is one shared segment of 57.6 cMs.

Thank you.

Ellen Caplan
Ottawa, Canada


DNA Research #DNA RE: especially long matching DNA segment #dna

Sarah L Meyer
 

Ellen,
I am in the same boat. I have one match with 4 segments (My Heritage) but
the longest is 66.6 cMs and my match has only three surnames in his tree.
And common matches >from both sides of my family. Any and all suggestions
welcomed.
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
https://sarahsgenies.com

^^^
Can someone please explain if there is any significance to a DNA match that
is relatively small, but that has one very long matching segment.

I have one instance where the total amount of matching DNA is only 59.9
centiMorgans, but there is one shared segment of 45.5 cMs.
I have a 2nd instance where the total amount of matching DNA is only 85
centiMorgans, but there is one shared segment of 57.6 cMs.

Thank you.

Ellen Caplan
Ottawa, Canada


New IAJGS Member: JewishGen.org #general

Nolan Altman
 

On behalf of the IAJGS Board and our current membership, it is with great
pleasure that we welcome JewishGen.org as an Associate Member of our growing
family of IAJGS organizations.

For more than 30 years, JewishGen has served as the global home for Jewish
genealogy. Featuring unparalleled access to 30+ million records, it offers
unique search tools, along with opportunities for researchers to connect
with others who share similar interests. Resources such as the Family
Finder, Discussion Groups, and ViewMate, are relied upon by thousands each
day. In addition, JewishGen's extensive informational, educational and
historical offerings, provide critical insights, first-hand accounts, and
context about Jewish communal and familial life throughout the world.
Offered as a free resource, JewishGen.org has facilitated thousands of
family connections and success stories, and is currently engaged in an
intensive expansion effort that will bring many more records, tools, and
resources to its collections. For more information, and to get started with
your research, please visit www.JewishGen.org

The International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS) was
formed in 1988 as a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization. IAJGS is an umbrella
group of organizations which provides a common voice for issues of
significance to its members, to advocate for and educate about our
genealogical avocation, and to coordinate items such as the annual
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. For more information on
IAJGS, please see our website at http://www.iajgs.org/blog/ or contact me at
membership@iajgs.org

Nolan Altman
Membership Development Committee Chair


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New IAJGS Member: JewishGen.org #general

Nolan Altman
 

On behalf of the IAJGS Board and our current membership, it is with great
pleasure that we welcome JewishGen.org as an Associate Member of our growing
family of IAJGS organizations.

For more than 30 years, JewishGen has served as the global home for Jewish
genealogy. Featuring unparalleled access to 30+ million records, it offers
unique search tools, along with opportunities for researchers to connect
with others who share similar interests. Resources such as the Family
Finder, Discussion Groups, and ViewMate, are relied upon by thousands each
day. In addition, JewishGen's extensive informational, educational and
historical offerings, provide critical insights, first-hand accounts, and
context about Jewish communal and familial life throughout the world.
Offered as a free resource, JewishGen.org has facilitated thousands of
family connections and success stories, and is currently engaged in an
intensive expansion effort that will bring many more records, tools, and
resources to its collections. For more information, and to get started with
your research, please visit www.JewishGen.org

The International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies (IAJGS) was
formed in 1988 as a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization. IAJGS is an umbrella
group of organizations which provides a common voice for issues of
significance to its members, to advocate for and educate about our
genealogical avocation, and to coordinate items such as the annual
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. For more information on
IAJGS, please see our website at http://www.iajgs.org/blog/ or contact me at
membership@iajgs.org

Nolan Altman
Membership Development Committee Chair


New York assistance #general

Trudy Barch
 

Hi friends,

In researching New York online death index, I find possible deaths of 2
relatives. I thought they had retired to Florida.
All I can see is the data which does not prove if it is my relative or not.
Is there another way of seeing that data line? What cemetery are they at?
Are they buried together? Any help will be appreciated.
The name is/was Julius Kay and Sylvia Kay.

Thank you, Trudy Barch, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New York assistance #general

Trudy Barch
 

Hi friends,

In researching New York online death index, I find possible deaths of 2
relatives. I thought they had retired to Florida.
All I can see is the data which does not prove if it is my relative or not.
Is there another way of seeing that data line? What cemetery are they at?
Are they buried together? Any help will be appreciated.
The name is/was Julius Kay and Sylvia Kay.

Thank you, Trudy Barch, FL


New Book Documenting Gravestones in Poland #general

WO Foundation <stephen.landau@...>
 

Wielkie Oczy Publishing is announcing its forthcoming publication of
"These Stones Shall Be a Witness: The Jewish Cemetery in Wielkie Oczy"
by Andrzej Trczinski, Poland's foremost expert on Ashkenazi material
culture.

More here:

https://sites.google.com/view/wielkie-oczy-foundation/home/this-very-stone-shall-be-a-witness
[or http://tinyurl.com/y3t44uhq --Mod.]

Stephen Landau


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New Book Documenting Gravestones in Poland #general

WO Foundation <stephen.landau@...>
 

Wielkie Oczy Publishing is announcing its forthcoming publication of
"These Stones Shall Be a Witness: The Jewish Cemetery in Wielkie Oczy"
by Andrzej Trczinski, Poland's foremost expert on Ashkenazi material
culture.

More here:

https://sites.google.com/view/wielkie-oczy-foundation/home/this-very-stone-shall-be-a-witness
[or http://tinyurl.com/y3t44uhq --Mod.]

Stephen Landau


Re: Immigrant Bank records #general

Moishe Miller
 

Martha,

You are right on both counts. The records are available and it is
difficult to find the way to view them. Indexes are on both JewishGen
and Ancestry.

To show by example, that anyone can re-produce, do the following:

go to JewishGen's unified search and search on an exact match to the
surname "Fainkuchen"the first result set was for "Blitzstein Bank
Passage Order Book Records"Click on the "List 4 Records" button You see
FAINKUCHEN, Peirel in book 3, page 125 Click on the page header
"Blitzstein Bank Passage Order Book Records" scroll down on the info page
to the topic "Obtaining Copies of Full Entries" click on the link to

http://digital.library.temple.edu/cdm/landingpage/collection/p16002coll16

click the brown "Browse Collection" box near the top of the page as per
our search results in JewishGen, we need Blitzstein book 3, page 25, so
click on Blitzstein Volume 3 On the right side is a "sliding" reference
to each page. Slide down to page 125 and click on the Page 125 It will
show on the bottom as page 128 of 205click on the red two-way arrow on
the top right of the image to expand it to full page If the image is
still not big enough, click on the 4th icon on the top left, a white
two-way arrow, to expand further If the image is still not big enough,
click on the "+" sign on the top left see the page is stamped top-right
and top-left as page 125 On line 8, see the entry for Peirel Fainkuchen,
with her 4 children, her last address at Mr. Kartus in Berozi and that
her ticket was paid by Gersch Fainkuchen

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@totalben.com

--- Original Message ---

From: Martha Forsyth <theforsyths@verizon.net>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:28:24 -0400

I have this dim, but firm memory of once having been able to see the
actual records >from one of the major Immigrant banks (Blitzstein,
etc.).? But now I can't find them.? Are they available somewhere to look
at the actual record?? (Were then, and did that ability get retracted?)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Immigrant Bank records #general

Moishe Miller
 

Martha,

You are right on both counts. The records are available and it is
difficult to find the way to view them. Indexes are on both JewishGen
and Ancestry.

To show by example, that anyone can re-produce, do the following:

go to JewishGen's unified search and search on an exact match to the
surname "Fainkuchen"the first result set was for "Blitzstein Bank
Passage Order Book Records"Click on the "List 4 Records" button You see
FAINKUCHEN, Peirel in book 3, page 125 Click on the page header
"Blitzstein Bank Passage Order Book Records" scroll down on the info page
to the topic "Obtaining Copies of Full Entries" click on the link to

http://digital.library.temple.edu/cdm/landingpage/collection/p16002coll16

click the brown "Browse Collection" box near the top of the page as per
our search results in JewishGen, we need Blitzstein book 3, page 25, so
click on Blitzstein Volume 3 On the right side is a "sliding" reference
to each page. Slide down to page 125 and click on the Page 125 It will
show on the bottom as page 128 of 205click on the red two-way arrow on
the top right of the image to expand it to full page If the image is
still not big enough, click on the 4th icon on the top left, a white
two-way arrow, to expand further If the image is still not big enough,
click on the "+" sign on the top left see the page is stamped top-right
and top-left as page 125 On line 8, see the entry for Peirel Fainkuchen,
with her 4 children, her last address at Mr. Kartus in Berozi and that
her ticket was paid by Gersch Fainkuchen

Moishe Miller
Brooklyn, NY
moishe.miller@totalben.com

--- Original Message ---

From: Martha Forsyth <theforsyths@verizon.net>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:28:24 -0400

I have this dim, but firm memory of once having been able to see the
actual records >from one of the major Immigrant banks (Blitzstein,
etc.).? But now I can't find them.? Are they available somewhere to look
at the actual record?? (Were then, and did that ability get retracted?)

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