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AUFRECHT of Oberschlesien - the PRINGSHEIM link #germany

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Roger Lustig wrote: "The birth of Dr. Paul AUFRECHT (1867-1942) of Gleiwitz
is not recorded in Upper Silesian records, but my father's notes (presumably
from the Gleiwitz Jewish Community's card catalog) indicate that he was born
in Frankfurt/O! He brought my father into the world and was a friend of the
family. He and his wife Martha geb. PRINGSHEIM (>from Oppeln) committed
suicide on the eve of the first deportation >from Gleiwitz."

I was most interested in Roger's reply and especially the connection between
the AUFRECHT and PRINGSHEIM families. Some members of this PRINGSHEIM family
moved to Vienna and are connected with the SCHROEFL, GRAF and BRYK families.
I personally knew the GRAF descendants of Fritz and Flora who were >from Oppeln
in Upper Silesia and emigrated to Sydney, NSW.
See this tombstone in a prominent position in the Zentralfriedhof, Vienna:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/2059824124/

I have often looked at this family tree and it mentions the AUFRECHT link:

http://www.genealogy.metastudies.net/ZDocs/Webp/Pringsheim_FamilyTree.htm

and Mrs AUFRECHT [nee PRINGSHEIM], who must have had genealogical leanings,
indeed gave some details of the relationship between the PRINGSHEIM family
members - see note 107 - and confusion between two different Siegfrieds.
We could do with her help now concerning the AUFRECHT family

These two articles about Fritz Robert PRINGSHEIM are most enlightening:
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~alls0079/fritz2.pdf
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/Langbehn/Pringsheim_020146.html

Obviously, the PRINGSHEIM were another very academic family >from Upper Silesia,
Breslau and environs - and we must not forget the famous link to Thomas MANN.

Celia Male - London, U.K. celiamale@yahoo.com

Footnote: re Umlauts and Moderator 1's edict. Although I could see Fritz
Neubauer's umlaut as such [on my computer, another genner received it as
garbled symbols.
**** It seems that the way umlauts are perceived depends on the operating
system of your computer or your E-mail program.
***** [This recent experience shows why it's important to avoid using
the umlaut and other international accents in our email to these lists.]


German SIG #Germany AUFRECHT of Oberschlesien - the PRINGSHEIM link #germany

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Roger Lustig wrote: "The birth of Dr. Paul AUFRECHT (1867-1942) of Gleiwitz
is not recorded in Upper Silesian records, but my father's notes (presumably
from the Gleiwitz Jewish Community's card catalog) indicate that he was born
in Frankfurt/O! He brought my father into the world and was a friend of the
family. He and his wife Martha geb. PRINGSHEIM (>from Oppeln) committed
suicide on the eve of the first deportation >from Gleiwitz."

I was most interested in Roger's reply and especially the connection between
the AUFRECHT and PRINGSHEIM families. Some members of this PRINGSHEIM family
moved to Vienna and are connected with the SCHROEFL, GRAF and BRYK families.
I personally knew the GRAF descendants of Fritz and Flora who were >from Oppeln
in Upper Silesia and emigrated to Sydney, NSW.
See this tombstone in a prominent position in the Zentralfriedhof, Vienna:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/2059824124/

I have often looked at this family tree and it mentions the AUFRECHT link:

http://www.genealogy.metastudies.net/ZDocs/Webp/Pringsheim_FamilyTree.htm

and Mrs AUFRECHT [nee PRINGSHEIM], who must have had genealogical leanings,
indeed gave some details of the relationship between the PRINGSHEIM family
members - see note 107 - and confusion between two different Siegfrieds.
We could do with her help now concerning the AUFRECHT family

These two articles about Fritz Robert PRINGSHEIM are most enlightening:
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~alls0079/fritz2.pdf
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/Langbehn/Pringsheim_020146.html

Obviously, the PRINGSHEIM were another very academic family >from Upper Silesia,
Breslau and environs - and we must not forget the famous link to Thomas MANN.

Celia Male - London, U.K. celiamale@yahoo.com

Footnote: re Umlauts and Moderator 1's edict. Although I could see Fritz
Neubauer's umlaut as such [on my computer, another genner received it as
garbled symbols.
**** It seems that the way umlauts are perceived depends on the operating
system of your computer or your E-mail program.
***** [This recent experience shows why it's important to avoid using
the umlaut and other international accents in our email to these lists.]


Re: AUFRECHT of Oberschlesien {was: Looking for Ernst AUFRECHT} #germany

Roger Lustig
 

This is getting interesting! According to Menk, the only AUFRECHTs
found outside of Silesia were in Frankfurt/O. Moreover, they probably
arrived there after 1812, because they do not appear on the
surname/citizenship list. Among the Silesians, one head of household
(Mendel) was in Breslau in 1812; the other 5, in Upper Silesia.

Between then and 1874 there were many, many vital events of AUFRECHTs
recorded in Upper Silesia, incl. the births of Emanuel and Sigismund A.
The latter's mother was named Rosalie LUSTIG. No proven relationship to
myself--yet.

The birth of Dr. Paul AUFRECHT (1867-1942) of Gleiwitz is not recorded
in Upper Silesian records, but my father's notes (presumably >from the
Gleiwitz Jewish Community's card catalog) indicate that he was born in
Frankfurt/O! He brought my father into the world and was a friend of
the family. He and his wife Martha geb. PRINGSHEIM (>from Oppeln)
committed suicide on the eve of the first deportation >from Gleiwitz. He
settled in Gleiwitz between 1899 and 1905; so it's entirely possible
that the Frankfurt/O AUFRECHTs were related to those >from Oberschlesien
(Upper Silesia).

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA Research co-ordinator, GerSIG

Celia Male - London, U.K. celiamale@yahoo.com wrote:
Fritz Neubauer found a thesis by Ernst AUFRECHT in Breslau.....
I too have found academic qualifications/articles for two AUFRECHT of this
region as well as the holocaust death certificate of one of them. They may
all be related. I have no idea how many AUFRECHT families there were in this
area but we now have a regional cluster of three academic AUFRECHT.
1. Emanuel AUFRECHT born 1844 in Loslau, Oberschlesien, a distinguished doctor
in Magdeburg, with many research interests [German article/ Festschrift for
his 80th birthday]: http://tinyurl.com/4mpp3m
2. Sigismund AUFRECHT born 1862 in Loslau, Preussen - University of Zurich
degree in philosophy: http://tinyurl.com/4pewag
8949 philo SS 1890 AUFRECHT Sigismund *1862 m
Loslau Preussen Dtld. Breslau ab mit Zgn.03.03.1891 E: majorenn
Here, sadly is Sigismund's death notification on Yad vashem, ironically
at the same age as Emanuel received his congratulatory Festschrift in 1924.....
[snip]
I have found only one AUFRECHT living in Bohemia in 1793.... [snip]


German SIG #Germany Re: AUFRECHT of Oberschlesien {was: Looking for Ernst AUFRECHT} #germany

Roger Lustig
 

This is getting interesting! According to Menk, the only AUFRECHTs
found outside of Silesia were in Frankfurt/O. Moreover, they probably
arrived there after 1812, because they do not appear on the
surname/citizenship list. Among the Silesians, one head of household
(Mendel) was in Breslau in 1812; the other 5, in Upper Silesia.

Between then and 1874 there were many, many vital events of AUFRECHTs
recorded in Upper Silesia, incl. the births of Emanuel and Sigismund A.
The latter's mother was named Rosalie LUSTIG. No proven relationship to
myself--yet.

The birth of Dr. Paul AUFRECHT (1867-1942) of Gleiwitz is not recorded
in Upper Silesian records, but my father's notes (presumably >from the
Gleiwitz Jewish Community's card catalog) indicate that he was born in
Frankfurt/O! He brought my father into the world and was a friend of
the family. He and his wife Martha geb. PRINGSHEIM (>from Oppeln)
committed suicide on the eve of the first deportation >from Gleiwitz. He
settled in Gleiwitz between 1899 and 1905; so it's entirely possible
that the Frankfurt/O AUFRECHTs were related to those >from Oberschlesien
(Upper Silesia).

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA Research co-ordinator, GerSIG

Celia Male - London, U.K. celiamale@yahoo.com wrote:
Fritz Neubauer found a thesis by Ernst AUFRECHT in Breslau.....
I too have found academic qualifications/articles for two AUFRECHT of this
region as well as the holocaust death certificate of one of them. They may
all be related. I have no idea how many AUFRECHT families there were in this
area but we now have a regional cluster of three academic AUFRECHT.
1. Emanuel AUFRECHT born 1844 in Loslau, Oberschlesien, a distinguished doctor
in Magdeburg, with many research interests [German article/ Festschrift for
his 80th birthday]: http://tinyurl.com/4mpp3m
2. Sigismund AUFRECHT born 1862 in Loslau, Preussen - University of Zurich
degree in philosophy: http://tinyurl.com/4pewag
8949 philo SS 1890 AUFRECHT Sigismund *1862 m
Loslau Preussen Dtld. Breslau ab mit Zgn.03.03.1891 E: majorenn
Here, sadly is Sigismund's death notification on Yad vashem, ironically
at the same age as Emanuel received his congratulatory Festschrift in 1924.....
[snip]
I have found only one AUFRECHT living in Bohemia in 1793.... [snip]


Re: Mohileff #ukraine

Scott Schultz <scottaschultz@...>
 

Carol,

It is a very safe bet that these are the same. And yes, it is in the area
that was part of the Podolia gubernia in Ukraine. The area is now in the
Vinnytsia Oblast.

And as an extremely picky point, Ukrainians have dropped the "the" in front
of Ukraine. "The" Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union and now that they are
a sovereign nation, they simply go by Ukraine.

Good luck!
Scott Schultz
JewishGen Researcher #188546

P.S. Both of my mother's parents were >from the Podolia region

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol Gene Cohen" <cgandhc@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ukraine SIG" <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: [ukraine] Mohileff


Address your forum messages to <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is Mohileff the same as Mogilev? Is this city part of the Ukraine?

Researching: Rosenfeld, Mogilev Podolsky Gibernia


Thank you,
Carol Gene Cohen


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Mohileff #ukraine

Scott Schultz <scottaschultz@...>
 

Carol,

It is a very safe bet that these are the same. And yes, it is in the area
that was part of the Podolia gubernia in Ukraine. The area is now in the
Vinnytsia Oblast.

And as an extremely picky point, Ukrainians have dropped the "the" in front
of Ukraine. "The" Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union and now that they are
a sovereign nation, they simply go by Ukraine.

Good luck!
Scott Schultz
JewishGen Researcher #188546

P.S. Both of my mother's parents were >from the Podolia region

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol Gene Cohen" <cgandhc@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Ukraine SIG" <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: [ukraine] Mohileff


Address your forum messages to <ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is Mohileff the same as Mogilev? Is this city part of the Ukraine?

Researching: Rosenfeld, Mogilev Podolsky Gibernia


Thank you,
Carol Gene Cohen


need a reseacher in Lublin, Poland #general

Natalie Spencer Carroll
 

Dear Cousins,

I am researching my grandmother's AJZENBERG family >from Miedzyrzec
Podlaski/Beltz. I reached a point where a researcher might help. Does
anybody in Jewishgen land have a researcher they would recommend? The
particular time period I need help with is >from 1884 through 1910.

Gerald I. Simon
gilmore3@ix.netcom.co

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send any recommendations privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen need a reseacher in Lublin, Poland #general

Natalie Spencer Carroll
 

Dear Cousins,

I am researching my grandmother's AJZENBERG family >from Miedzyrzec
Podlaski/Beltz. I reached a point where a researcher might help. Does
anybody in Jewishgen land have a researcher they would recommend? The
particular time period I need help with is >from 1884 through 1910.

Gerald I. Simon
gilmore3@ix.netcom.co

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send any recommendations privately.


Do you recognize - Unknown Rabbi, possibly from Leipzig #general

Yaacov Slizak <yslizak@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I am posting the following query on behalf of a relative of mine.
For many years he has been trying to identify the Rabbi pictured
in this photo:

http://tinyurl.com/4jphd7

There is very little information about him, most of it >from
recollections of my friends' late father, so this is to be taken
with a grain of salt:

- It is a picture of a Rabbi who probably lived at that time in Leipzig.
- Possibly family names related to this Rabbi are LIBERMAN and (less likely)
ROZENBAUM. Both families came >from Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland.
- The picture was painted in the early 1920's by a young German girl (not
Jewish).

Should anyone recognize the picture, or have any suggestion on
how to obtain more information, please respond privately.

Thanks,
Yaacov Slizak


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Do you recognize - Unknown Rabbi, possibly from Leipzig #general

Yaacov Slizak <yslizak@...>
 

Dear Friends,

I am posting the following query on behalf of a relative of mine.
For many years he has been trying to identify the Rabbi pictured
in this photo:

http://tinyurl.com/4jphd7

There is very little information about him, most of it >from
recollections of my friends' late father, so this is to be taken
with a grain of salt:

- It is a picture of a Rabbi who probably lived at that time in Leipzig.
- Possibly family names related to this Rabbi are LIBERMAN and (less likely)
ROZENBAUM. Both families came >from Miedzyrzec Podlaski, Poland.
- The picture was painted in the early 1920's by a young German girl (not
Jewish).

Should anyone recognize the picture, or have any suggestion on
how to obtain more information, please respond privately.

Thanks,
Yaacov Slizak


Re: Konigsberg, East Prussia #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I happened upon an interesting article about the Jewish
community of Konigsberg by Stephanie Schuler-Springorm which was
entitled: Assimilation and Community Reconsidered: The Jewish
Community in Konigsberg, 1871-1914.
This appeared in the magazine "Jewish Social Studies 5.3 (1999), 104-131.

See the site where you may read about it:

http://muse.uq.edu.au/journals/jewish_social_studies/v005/
5.3schuler-springorum.html

There are many references mentioned which would be helpful to
researchers in this area.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Konigsberg, East Prussia #general

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

I happened upon an interesting article about the Jewish
community of Konigsberg by Stephanie Schuler-Springorm which was
entitled: Assimilation and Community Reconsidered: The Jewish
Community in Konigsberg, 1871-1914.
This appeared in the magazine "Jewish Social Studies 5.3 (1999), 104-131.

See the site where you may read about it:

http://muse.uq.edu.au/journals/jewish_social_studies/v005/
5.3schuler-springorum.html

There are many references mentioned which would be helpful to
researchers in this area.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net


Re: LEFKOWITZ from Hungary #general

tom
 

I found only one Lipot Lefkovits listed at Ellis Island, but the record
contained neither "arog" nor "ketoe ergie" on the transcription
(ethnicity: hungarian, last residence: hernadfalva) or on the scanned
manifest itself (which uses the abbreviation "hung." for both country
and province of nativity, but shows his mother tongue as "heb. j.",
while his co-travellers are shown as "magyar" or "slovak").

Assuming this is the right Lipot Lefkovits, hernadfalva could be
hernadfalu in present-day Slovakia. You can search Hungarian place names
in the online 1913 gazetteer at <http://www.bogardi.com/>.

tom klein, toronto

"Lois Levick" <loisl637@comcast.net> wrote:
In my ongoing search for my grandfather, I have come across
an entry at Steve Morse for Lipot Lefkovits >from "Arog" (might it
be "Arad?) and a possible town spelled Ketoe ergie on the manifest.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where this might be?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: LEFKOWITZ from Hungary #general

tom
 

I found only one Lipot Lefkovits listed at Ellis Island, but the record
contained neither "arog" nor "ketoe ergie" on the transcription
(ethnicity: hungarian, last residence: hernadfalva) or on the scanned
manifest itself (which uses the abbreviation "hung." for both country
and province of nativity, but shows his mother tongue as "heb. j.",
while his co-travellers are shown as "magyar" or "slovak").

Assuming this is the right Lipot Lefkovits, hernadfalva could be
hernadfalu in present-day Slovakia. You can search Hungarian place names
in the online 1913 gazetteer at <http://www.bogardi.com/>.

tom klein, toronto

"Lois Levick" <loisl637@comcast.net> wrote:
In my ongoing search for my grandfather, I have come across
an entry at Steve Morse for Lipot Lefkovits >from "Arog" (might it
be "Arad?) and a possible town spelled Ketoe ergie on the manifest.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where this might be?


Re: Information on those who came after the war. #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

Regarding this recent message:

I was asked a question by a relative whose father came to America
around 1950. Since he didn't come in thru Ellis Island but flew
here, how can my relative get information on his father? It seems
that his father used his mother's last name in Europe but changed
it to his paternal last name here in America.
The Holocaust-era search engine of the Czestochowa-Radomsko Area Research
Group (CRARG) includes many, many thousands of such records, for Jews
throughout Poland:

http://www.benkazez.com/dan/crarg/search.php

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@sbcglobal.net>
President, Czestochowa-Radomsko Area Research Group
Springfield, Ohio USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Information on those who came after the war. #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

Regarding this recent message:

I was asked a question by a relative whose father came to America
around 1950. Since he didn't come in thru Ellis Island but flew
here, how can my relative get information on his father? It seems
that his father used his mother's last name in Europe but changed
it to his paternal last name here in America.
The Holocaust-era search engine of the Czestochowa-Radomsko Area Research
Group (CRARG) includes many, many thousands of such records, for Jews
throughout Poland:

http://www.benkazez.com/dan/crarg/search.php

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@sbcglobal.net>
President, Czestochowa-Radomsko Area Research Group
Springfield, Ohio USA


Re: YOUCHA YOUCHAH etc and Monastir (Bitola) #general

Naomi Fatouros
 

Gratuitously I am adding to Ms. Tagger's Oct.13, 08 perfectly
adequate response to Victor Youcha's Oct. 13 inquiry about the
personal name "Youcha" in suggesting this URL:

http://www.sephardicstudies.org/monastir.html

which contains an interesting list of the family names of the
Jews of Monastir.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@sbcglobal.net
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/
SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: YOUCHA YOUCHAH etc and Monastir (Bitola) #general

Naomi Fatouros
 

Gratuitously I am adding to Ms. Tagger's Oct.13, 08 perfectly
adequate response to Victor Youcha's Oct. 13 inquiry about the
personal name "Youcha" in suggesting this URL:

http://www.sephardicstudies.org/monastir.html

which contains an interesting list of the family names of the
Jews of Monastir.

Naomi Fatouros (nee FELDMAN)
Bloomington, Indiana
NFatouros@sbcglobal.net
BELKOWSKY,BIELKOWSKY, BILKOWSKI, Odessa,St. Petersburg,Berdichev,
Kiev;ROTHSTEIN, Kremenchug;FRASCH,Kiev;LIBERMAN,Moscow;FELDMAN, Pinsk;
SCHUTZ, RETTIG, WAHL, Shcherets;LEVY, WEIL, Mulhouse; SAS/
SASS,Podwolochisk;
RAPOPORT, Tarnopol, Podwolochisk, Radomysl?; BEHAM, Salok, Kharkov;
WOLPIANSKY, Ostryna.


Mohileff #ukraine

Carol Cohen
 

Is Mohileff the same as Mogilev? Is this city part of the Ukraine?

Researching: Rosenfeld, Mogilev Podolsky Gibernia


Thank you,
Carol Gene Cohen


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Mohileff #ukraine

Carol Cohen
 

Is Mohileff the same as Mogilev? Is this city part of the Ukraine?

Researching: Rosenfeld, Mogilev Podolsky Gibernia


Thank you,
Carol Gene Cohen