Re: US Naturalization questions (more or less general) #general #records


Hi Rick,

I recently requested some documents from NARA via their website and got this e-mail last week (about 2 weeks after the request):

Thank you for providing the Petition #s for your request. It makes our job so much easier.
Unfortunately, our facility is still closed due to COVID-19, so we do not have access to our records.
Your request has been placed in a queue and when we are finally able to reopen we will be in contact with you to complete your request.

So you can request documents, but your request will go into a queue with completion who knows when.

Good luck,

Vicky Furstenberg Ferraresi

Belmont, CA

researching: FUERSTENBERG (Gdansk, Berlin, Shanghai) 
PROCHOWNIK (Bydgoszcz, Berlin, Shanghai)
QUIATOWSKY (Berlin, Ujest/Ujazd))
BAUM (Gdansk)
FREYSTADT (Berlin, Sweden)
HEYMANN (Israel, Geneva)
SCHULVALTER (Berlin, Brazil)


Re: Belarus SIG Request for Volunteers #belarus #translation

Maurice I. Kessler

I have been doing the russian transliteration  for eric feinstein

maurice kessler   mikessler222@...

New Document translation needed (4)_1.pdf #translation

Jacques Klein

Following my previous message, I am looking for a translation in english of the attached document concerning the marriage in Lublin in 1917 of Berek SZER.
No need of a full translation, only the main points such as names, dates, places, ages, witnesses etc..
Many thanks
Jacques Klein
Paris, France

Re: US Naturalization questions (more or less general)#usa#general#records

Dear all

In his long discussion Mr. Cherson writes that Camille Pissaro was of Danish-French descent. Wrong! Jacob Abraham Camille Pissarro was born Jewish, to a father of Portuguese marrano extraction who was an active member of the little Jewish community of the island and to a local Jewish mother. He came in conflict with the Jewish community because he married the widow of his uncle which for the strict orthodox then and now is utterly forbidden. This has of course nothing to do with the judicial Cassirer issue. But to the many solutions suggested by Mr. Cherson I would add, why not donating it to the Israel's Museum in Jerusalem?


Prof. Isak Gath MD, DIC, DSc (Elect. Eng)

Faculty of Biomedical Engineering             Tel. Office #972-4-8294115

Technion Israel Institute of Technology             Home #972-4-9835704

32000 Haifa, Israel


Re: Jones Avenue / Goel Tzedec Cemetery, Toronto #canada

Sherri Bobish


Another resource to try is
You can search by name, and see results that will show name of cemetery, but to see the photo of a stone you would need to subscribe to the site.  Some public libraries may have a subscription.


Sherri Bobish

Re: US Naturalization questions (more or less general) #general #records

Sherri Bobish


If she married in 1921, and her husband was already a citizen (by birth or by naturalization) than she automatically became a citizen.  She would not have had her own naturalization papers.

That law changed in 1922.

Interestingly, if a woman who was an American citizen married a man who was not a citizen than she lost her American citizenship.  This happened to my husband's gm in 1913, and she eventually petitioned to regain her citizenship. She was born in Manhattan.

Also, regarding manifests, see for links to databases of manifests of various ports, including Baltimore.

Note that passenger's names sometimes are spelled differently in the index of different company's databases, i.e. I have seen (more than once) the name of a specific passenger spelled differently on the EIDB vs FamilySearch.  If you don't find the person when searching it pays to do a soundex search.


Sherri Bobish

Re: DNA Tests #dna

Max Heffler

Also (from FTDNA)


From: Max Heffler
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 12:15 PM
To: main@...
Subject: RE: [] DNA Tests #dna


From: main@... [mailto:main@...] On Behalf Of Michelle Sandler via
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@...
Subject: [] DNA Tests #dna


I am the administrator of 9 DNA Tests.  The 9 family members tests were taken at FTDNA 10 - 6 years ago.  All have been transferred to MyHeritage.  They are all autosomal and either YDNA or MTDNA.  I just bought 2 kits on sale at Ancestry.  I plan to test myself and my husband first.  My husband is already in FTDNA and MyHeritage.  I have never tested before.  Besides FTDNA and MyHeritage where do I transfer them?   Is Gedmatch up and working again?


Michelle Sandler 

Westminster California   



Web sites I manage - Personal home page, Greater Houston Jewish Genealogical Society, Woodside Civic Club, Skala, Ukraine KehilalLink, Joniskelis, Lithuania KehilaLink, and pet volunteer project - Yizkor book project:

August 25, 2020: #events Genealogy Coffee Break #events #russia #poland #announcements

Moriah Amit

Tomorrow (8/25/2020) at 3:30 pm ET, tune into the Center for Jewish History's Facebook page for the next episode of Genealogy Coffee Break. Want to get the gist of your family's Polish and Russian-language records (without learning these languages)? Our genealogy librarians will show you how to recognize the basic layout of handwritten civil records and which online tools you can use to quickly verify a name or record typeTo join the live webinar, click "Follow" on the top of the Center's Facebook page and a notification will pop up on your screen when the webinar goes live. Note: If the notification doesn't appear, you can also find the webinar on our Facebook videos page once it goes live. Catch up on the entire series here

Moriah Amit, Senior Genealogy Librarian at the Center for Jewish History, NY, NY

Help needed to decipher handwriting of the name of vessel on attached Petition for Naturalization #usa

Keren Weiner

Requesting your assistance with deciphering the handwriting on the attached Petition for Naturalization for Abraham HOROWITZ, who arrived in New York on 3 June 1899.  The description of the vessel reads in part " Quebec and via R.R. and boat to N.Y." but the first two words of the vessel are a mystery we could sure use your help to solve.    With thanks,

Keren Weiner,  Pittsfield, MA kweiner2@...>

Re: MARANTZ - Odessa, Ukraine, Russia 1872 #ukraine #russia #austria-czech #unitedkingdom

Chuck Weinstein

Unfortunately, there are no known birth records from Odessa between 1845 and 1875.  If you have not checked the JewishGen Ukraine database for information about Naftali Marantz, you should.  We have a lot of records from Odessa available on line.  There are a lot of listings for Marantz in that database.

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, JewishGen Ukraine Research Division

Re: Jewish "juniors" in Hungary mid-1800's #hungary #slovakia


I've found that the "rules" about naming children are really common customs that are used sometimes, but not always.  In addition to sons having the same name as a living relative, I've found that half brothers (same father, different mother) have the same names.  I haven't tracked down all the details yet, but it has happened often enough that I consider the Askenazi naming custom as just part of the evidence to be considered, not the final decision when evaluating the evidence.

Peggy Mosinger Freedman
Atlanta, GA

Looking for any information on BENJAMIN LYONS #unitedkingdom


Can't find any records for BENJAMIN LYONS apart from where he is recorded as the father of Lewis Lyons on a marriage certificate from 1838, the ceremony was held at the New Synagogue in the city of London. 

Felicia Schumer from Galacia #galicia


Searching for my grandmother’s sister Fela Schumer. #Galicia


Re: travel from Besarabia to Hamburg in 1905 #bessarabia

Yefim Kogan

Ricardo,  that is very good question, and many people asked it before.

There were many ways to get to Humburg,  and two of them you mentioned in your message were valid means of transportation in these years.
Also they could go by train.  The city in Romania Galats was connected with other European countries, and Ismail is not that far from Galats, only 60 miles.

The other way possible is thru Kishinev, although it is longer way to Kishinev,  but Kishinev was connected to European countries via Yassy.

I would think that the ship option from Ismail to some of European countries on Danube is more likely.
I never find any records of these travels,  only in people's stories I saw that some went to Odessa, etc.

All the best,

Re: US Naturalization questions (more or less general) #general #records


On 8/24/2020 7:09 AM, Rick Zeckel wrote:

Second question: I am seeking the naturalization papers of a number of
individuals who would have gone through the process in the 1910s and
1920s. I went to the National Archives website but they have a notice
that appears to say that as a result of current Covid-19 restrictions
they will not be responding to on-line requests for document copies. It
is not clear to me whether or not they will respond to requests for such
documents (by mail, by phone, by carrier pigeon, however). Does anyone
know whether they will provide the documents at all and, if so, how to
request them?
I would strongly suggest you file FOIA requests to get the records. You
can thus avoid the $65.00 fee for each record, which is going up to
$255.00 on, I believe, October 2nd. Go here:

Be sure to request the "A-File" for each person. It includes every
document your ancestors filled out since arrival in the USA, including
naturalization papers. The first two hours of research are free, as are
the first 100 pages. When you sign the papers you're agreeing to pay up
to $25.00 for time/pages over the above. I highly doubt that would happen.

Good Luck!
Jeri Friedman
Port Saint Lucie, Florida
Poland/Russia/Belarus); GEIST (?,Russia); GLICKMAN, KLUGMAN, STURMAN,
KAPLAN, ROTENBERG (Bilgoraj, Lublin, Poland/Russia); LIEB/LEIBOWITZ,
BLAU (Jassy/Iasi, Romania); GALINSKY, GELLIS, KRYNSKA (Suwalki,
Poland/Russia); KOPCIANSKY (?, Poland/Russia); GOLDSTEIN, SCHRAGER (?,
Romania); CYRULNIK (Suwalki, Poland/Russia and Kalvarija, Lithuania)

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DNA Tests #dna

Michelle Sandler

I am the administrator of 9 DNA Tests.  The 9 family members tests were taken at FTDNA 10 - 6 years ago.  All have been transferred to MyHeritage.  They are all autosomal and either YDNA or MTDNA.  I just bought 2 kits on sale at Ancestry.  I plan to test myself and my husband first.  My husband is already in FTDNA and MyHeritage.  I have never tested before.  Besides FTDNA and MyHeritage where do I transfer them?   Is Gedmatch up and working again?
Michelle Sandler 
Westminster California   

Re: travel from Besarabia to Hamburg in 1905 #bessarabia

Jorge Sexer

Ricardo : I’m not sure there were any passenger ships along the Danube in 1905. Taking a ship from Odessa to Hamburg and then another one to Argentina seems unlikely.  But : they can very well have traveled somehow from Izmail to Odessa, or to Iasi or to an even closer place like Galatz (Gali). In 1905 there was already a railway line  from those places, northbound. I could imagine they traveled for say 12 hours to Kamenetz-Podolsk and from there, by cart again, to Brody, in Galicia.  My own grandparents came from Kamenetz to Argentina in 1889.   Jorge Sexer

Re: Sharing family tree information #general

Susan stone

Robert....I post photos of children but no one can see them if my tree is marked "private for living persons".  right?  Unless I send the tree to family and allow them to see living persons (check box).  
I have had several people recently who have found family members we had no  idea were even in our tree.  Very exciting but  a lot of work to dissect it all.  Especially family is married to another family and all are related to me!
Pretty soon there are a lot of people over the generations with the same name.  How can people see living people if you have those marked "private".?

Susan Stone
Evanston, IL

Re: Sharing family tree information #general

Selma Sheridan

As a newbie researcher, I chanced upon an online family tree of a cousin's ancestors, set up by someone I didn't know.  I emailed the tree's owner, thanked him for all his work, and offered to send more information, to which he eagerly agreed.  Soon the tree correctly contained the details which I had provided, without  attribution; nor was any notice sent separately to me.  I emailed the owner to ask about his protocol in a situation such as this.  He replied defensively that he had "no obligation of any sort" to me - "after all, it's MY tree".  True, - but it seems that here was a "taker" with a sense of entitlement and perhaps poor manners as well.  Happily, all my other experiences with family tree researchers have been wonderful.
Selma Sheridan
Oswego NY


David Selig

Hi Jewishgenners

I live in Paris.
I seek information on the two following people :

bn. 10.05 1885,  d. 17.01.1931 Mannheim

Is it possible to discover, WHERE he was born?
He was a factory owner in Mannheim

He married my grandmother, Martha née OPPENHEIMER, who was born
26.11.1897, Bad Mergentheim, Germany
he was her first husband.

They had one son, my father, Martin SELIG bn. 11.06.1922
Helene WOLFF,
bn.  25.9. 1862, Koenigsberg.

She married Salomon BLUMENTHAL,
(bn.  Wormdit, 17.07.1861)

I know that Salomon lived until 1940, but have no knowledge of Helene's
She is not buried in Weissensee, and had died earlier.

Thanks for any help
Best wishes to all

Paris, France