Date   

ViewMate Translation Help #poland

jsachs@...
 

Dear SIG members,

I have posted the 1889 birth record of my great-grandmother, Lea
Nochumowna KRACOWSKA, onto ViewMate (VM10467). I would greatly appreciate
any help translating this document (her entry is #80, the third >from the
top) >from Russian into English.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=10467

Please respond directly to me.

Thank you,

Jaclyn Sachs,
Los Angeles, CA, USA


Family finding in Morocco #general

fatima zohra moutreb <f.moutreb@...>
 

Hello all
i wander if you can assist by searching for the following family
MOSEF SEFF MOAYUSESS
Consul Honoraire
Morocco
Larache in 1931
Thank you


Polish Translation Needed - Viewmate File VM10477 #general

SUSAN JURISZ <suejurisz@...>
 

I have just posted a birth document for my husband's great-grandmother, Sura
Gracz of Drobin, Poland. I was delighted to receive this file >from a fellow
researcher, Marjorie Gratz Baldwin, whom I believe to be a distant cousin.

Sura Gracz was also known as Chaya Sura; I'm not sure whether she received
the extra name at birth or later on.

I am seeking a translation of this document, so that I can finally zero in
on Sura's birth date. (Her age seems to vary widely in subsequent
documents.) Any pertinent details would be greatly appreciated!

The direct link to this file is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=10477

Please reply directly to me at:

suejurisz@msn.com

Best regards,

Susan Jurisz
Minneapolis, MN / The Villages, FL

Researching: JURYS/JURYSZ (Drobin, Sierpc); GRACZ (Drobin); MAJEROWICZ,
NORDON, GRUDAW (Sierpc); ELBAUM (Kosow Lacki); MANOWICZ (Gora Kalwaria,
Kosow Lacki).


Re: Exploring families related by marriage #general

Carolyn Lea <clea@...>
 

I read with interest the responses to the question of whether or not one
should research families tied by marriage. I do this quite a lot and several
good reasons to do so were mentioned in other posts. I first began to do
this when I realized how much intermarriage occurred between families (as
David mentions) and it has been very helpful in determining maiden names or
finding "missing" daughters. In one case a Rothschild daughter had been in
front of me the whole time but I had been looking for a Sol Masky - a name I
found in an obit - when it should have been the surname Semansky - she was
in a census record I had already located when her brother was shown there
with his wife, a Semansky. I later discovered additional connections by
working on that family.

I have also worked on marital connections in an effort to either prove or
disprove claims to famous people. For example, a cousin I located said he
thought we were related to Mervyn LeRoy and Hal LeRoy - both in show
business. He thought they also owned some well known restaurants in NYC. At
first I could not figure out the connection - I did figure out that Hal was
not connected to Mervyn. A year or so later I got a film >from the LDS on the
Levy family in California that included the surname Schwarzbaum. As it turns
out there was a connection to Mervyn Levy, aka, Mervyn LeRoy - his son owned
the restaurants. Eli Schwarzbaum md. the sister of LeRoy's father. Ok - not
a close connection. But I found my answer and in the process set out to
correct the errors I found in the tree submitted on the film that was shot
from records submitted to a Jewish Archive in San Francisco. I have also
worked on the Oppenheim family that settled in South Carolina - I was
intrigued by the story an Oppenheim cousin sent and wanted to correct and
add to the tree I found on the American Jewish Archives site. I have already
contacted them about submitting my work.

There's another reason to work on these families. I feel that the more
families I include the larger the number of people that will find the work
meaningful. I love the research. But it is work - I don't want it to be
lost. I want to share it and hope that families will hang on to it and that
it will be preserved. I try to locate living family and share the work I
have done - this is what makes it rewarding for me. Some of the work I have
undertaken just because I know the pleasure others, especially elderly
cousins I have found, take in the work. I am even planning to post about
some of these families on Jgen in case there are relatives that may be
working on them that I could share with.

The software I use (Legacy) allows me to do reports that feature multiple
lines of descent. These reports allow me, and the people I share with, the
opportunity to see the connections between the different families, the
multiple intermarriages, how the families came >from the same area and may
have ties in the "old country," etc.

As Michael said it is your choice. If you have the time and the desire to do
the work then go for it. I have to admit I am a little more timid when it
comes to calling strangers that I am really not related to but I have never
been as timid as many of the people who post and have only once had a
negative reaction and I think the elderly man I spoke to may have been
senile. When I find a cousin that is 90 I figure I had better call fast!

Good luck,

Carolyn Lea
NW Ohio
clea@woh.rr.com
ID# 152314

Researching: SCHWARZBAUM/SCHWARTZBAUM > Posen, Prussia >New York,
Savannah, Georgia and California ROTHSCHILD/ROTHCHILD> Zierenberg, Hessen
Kassel, Hamburg? Prussia> Darien and Savannah, Georgia
BASCH>Prussia>Savannah, Georgia LEWISOHN/LEVISON Elbing, West Prussia>
Brunswick and Savannah, Georgia OPPENHEIM(ER) > Hannover>Savannah, Georgia
and South Carolina WEINBERG >Prussia? Hamburg?> Georgia WITKOWSKI/
WITMAN > Posen, Prussia > Georgia, Florida, New York


JGSGW, Bethesda Maryland, Sunday, September 9, 2007 #general

Jeff Miller
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
Kicks off the 2007-8 Schedule with a Stimulating Program
S a v e t h e D a t e!

Date: Sunday, September 9, 2007
Time: 1:00 PM Schmooze Time 1:30 PM Program

Location: Congregation Beth El,
8215 Old Georgetown Road
Bethesda, Maryland 20814

Topic: "Sephardic Genealogy: Resources, Similarities and
Differences"
Speaker: Jeffrey Malka, M.D.

In this presentation, Dr. Malka will discuss getting started in Sephardic
Jewish genealogy, where the records are found, and surnames. Resources will
be identified that are especially relevant to pre-expulsion Spain. He will
discuss the similarities and differences between Sephardic and Eastern
European Jewish genealogy. The role and uses of DNA and the differences
found between Sephardic and Ashkenasim will be presented.

A retired professor of orthopaedic surgery, Jeffrey Malka is the author of
the prize-winning book "Sephardic Genealogy: Discovering your Sephardic
Ancestors and their World" (Avotaynu, 2002) and the creator of JewishGen's
Sephardic SIG website based on his own popular Sephardic Genealogy Resources
website. Descended >from a long line of Sephardic rabbis going back to 14th
century cabbalists and authors (as well as Catalan blacksmiths and money
lenders), he is one of the pioneers of Sephardic genealogy in the United
States and a well known lecturer on the subject. Dr. Malka has been an
invited lecturer at the Library of Congress, several IAJGS annual
conferences, Washington Jewish Historical Society, and numerous Jewish
Genealogy Societies in the U.S., Canada, and Spain.
____________________
DIRECTIONS TO BETH EL (BETHESDA)

from Washington, DC
Go north on Wisconsin Avenue
Make a diagonal left onto Old Georgetown Road (MD-187 West) in downtown
Bethesda at the intersection with East-West Highway
Go approximately one mile
Congregation Beth El is on your right at the light for Huntington Parkway
from the Beltway (495)
from the Beltway (495), exit at Old Georgetown Road (exit 36)
Follow the exit ramp South towards Bethesda
Continue on Old Georgetown Road for a 1 3/4 miles
Congregation Beth El is on your left at the light for Huntington Parkway

All are welcome to visit. We charge $5 to non-members to attend a program
meeting, but the fee can go towards membership if you join at a meeting.

I look forward to seeing you at an upcoming program.

Jeff Miller
VP, Administration/Logistics and Publicist
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington


JFRA Israel: Karen Franklin on Sept. 4 and Jerusalem Post article #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

JFRA Israel's Ra'anana branch welcomes New Yorker
Karen Franklin at 7.30, Tuesday, September 4.

She will speak on how the international genealogical
community and art organizations are collaborating to
solve European cases, and will also speak on the
issues relating to Jewish museums.

JFRA Ra'anana meets at Bet Fisher, 5 Klausner St,
Ra'anana. Members, NIS 5; others, NIS 20.

Here's a link to the Jerusalem Post article on Karen's
role in these issues and some fascinating cases:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1188392507317&pagename=
JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Best wishes,

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
dardasht1@yahoo.com

Tracing the Tribe - The Jewish Genealogy Blog
httpL//tracingthetribe.blogspot.com
schelly@tracingthetribe.com


Polish Translation Needed - Viewmate VM10477 #poland

SUSAN JURISZ <suejurisz@...>
 

I have just posted a birth document for my husband's great-grandmother, Sura
Gracz of Drobin, Poland. I was delighted to receive this file >from a fellow
researcher, Marjorie Gratz Baldwin, whom I believe to be a distant cousin.

Sura Gracz was also known as Chaya Sura; I'm not sure whether she received
the extra name at birth or later on.

I am seeking a translation of this document, so that I can finally zero in
on Sura's birth date. (Her age seems to vary widely in subsequent
documents.) Any pertinent details would be greatly appreciated!

The direct link to this file is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=10477

Please reply directly to me at:

suejurisz@msn.com

Best regards,

Susan Jurisz
Minneapolis, MN / The Villages, FL

Researching: JURYS/JURYSZ (Drobin, Sierpc); GRACZ (Drobin); MAJEROWICZ,
NORDON, GRUDAW (Sierpc); ELBAUM (Kosow Lacki); MANOWICZ (Gora Kalwaria,
Kosow Lacki).


ViewMate Translation Help #poland

jsachs@...
 

Dear group members,

I have posted the 1889 birth record of my great-grandmother, Lea
Nochumowna KRACOWSKA, who was born in Bialystok, onto ViewMate (VM10467).
I would greatly appreciate any help translating her entry (#80, the third
from the top) >from Russian into English.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=10467

Please respond directly to me.

Thank you,

Jaclyn Sachs,
Los Angeles, CA, USA


Re: Shavli Chaimas Frenkelis and his son Jacob #lithuania

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

On 9/2/07, Jules Levin <ameliede@earthlink.net> wrote:
: The museum has come to own a mansion built by one
Chaimas Frenkelis and his son Jacob in 1908. Apparently after renovations,
ALL the museum's collection will be housed in the Frenkels' former
mansion. Any Frenkel/Frankel heirs on this list?
At the turn of the century ( c 1900) a tannery (a factory to process
raw leather), was established by a Jew by the name of Chaim Frankel
in Shavli/ Saulai. The firm was the biggest factory in the entire region.
During the holocaust this factory saved the lives of many Jews in the area.
Simcha Brudno ( born in Shavli in 1924) told me; When the Germans took
control of the tannery, they realized the great potential and decided
to continue the work. Soon they found out that many of the essential
workers were Jews and most of them were arrested. A committee made up
of a number of Jewish leaders in contact with the city officials and the
German leaders decided to put the essential Jews in a ghetto for their
own protection....

You could read Simchas' story at;
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/siauliai/siau_pages/siau_stories112305.htm

Another story is by Meyer Kron he wrote that Chaim Frenkel died in Bad
Homburg in 1920 at the age of sixty. He left his property to his wife
and their only son, Yaakov. He had four cousins who had worked with
his father before the war. They were Chaim-Leib Sheskin, Ilya and
Isaac Mordel and Fiva Potruch. The only person involved in the
reconstruction of the factory who was not a relative was Meyer Korns'
father.
There is much more about it;
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/siauliai/siau_pages/siau_stories_return.htm

Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland ViewMate Translation Help #poland

jsachs@...
 

Dear SIG members,

I have posted the 1889 birth record of my great-grandmother, Lea
Nochumowna KRACOWSKA, onto ViewMate (VM10467). I would greatly appreciate
any help translating this document (her entry is #80, the third >from the
top) >from Russian into English.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=10467

Please respond directly to me.

Thank you,

Jaclyn Sachs,
Los Angeles, CA, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Family finding in Morocco #general

fatima zohra moutreb <f.moutreb@...>
 

Hello all
i wander if you can assist by searching for the following family
MOSEF SEFF MOAYUSESS
Consul Honoraire
Morocco
Larache in 1931
Thank you


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish Translation Needed - Viewmate File VM10477 #general

SUSAN JURISZ <suejurisz@...>
 

I have just posted a birth document for my husband's great-grandmother, Sura
Gracz of Drobin, Poland. I was delighted to receive this file >from a fellow
researcher, Marjorie Gratz Baldwin, whom I believe to be a distant cousin.

Sura Gracz was also known as Chaya Sura; I'm not sure whether she received
the extra name at birth or later on.

I am seeking a translation of this document, so that I can finally zero in
on Sura's birth date. (Her age seems to vary widely in subsequent
documents.) Any pertinent details would be greatly appreciated!

The direct link to this file is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=10477

Please reply directly to me at:

suejurisz@msn.com

Best regards,

Susan Jurisz
Minneapolis, MN / The Villages, FL

Researching: JURYS/JURYSZ (Drobin, Sierpc); GRACZ (Drobin); MAJEROWICZ,
NORDON, GRUDAW (Sierpc); ELBAUM (Kosow Lacki); MANOWICZ (Gora Kalwaria,
Kosow Lacki).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Exploring families related by marriage #general

Carolyn Lea <clea@...>
 

I read with interest the responses to the question of whether or not one
should research families tied by marriage. I do this quite a lot and several
good reasons to do so were mentioned in other posts. I first began to do
this when I realized how much intermarriage occurred between families (as
David mentions) and it has been very helpful in determining maiden names or
finding "missing" daughters. In one case a Rothschild daughter had been in
front of me the whole time but I had been looking for a Sol Masky - a name I
found in an obit - when it should have been the surname Semansky - she was
in a census record I had already located when her brother was shown there
with his wife, a Semansky. I later discovered additional connections by
working on that family.

I have also worked on marital connections in an effort to either prove or
disprove claims to famous people. For example, a cousin I located said he
thought we were related to Mervyn LeRoy and Hal LeRoy - both in show
business. He thought they also owned some well known restaurants in NYC. At
first I could not figure out the connection - I did figure out that Hal was
not connected to Mervyn. A year or so later I got a film >from the LDS on the
Levy family in California that included the surname Schwarzbaum. As it turns
out there was a connection to Mervyn Levy, aka, Mervyn LeRoy - his son owned
the restaurants. Eli Schwarzbaum md. the sister of LeRoy's father. Ok - not
a close connection. But I found my answer and in the process set out to
correct the errors I found in the tree submitted on the film that was shot
from records submitted to a Jewish Archive in San Francisco. I have also
worked on the Oppenheim family that settled in South Carolina - I was
intrigued by the story an Oppenheim cousin sent and wanted to correct and
add to the tree I found on the American Jewish Archives site. I have already
contacted them about submitting my work.

There's another reason to work on these families. I feel that the more
families I include the larger the number of people that will find the work
meaningful. I love the research. But it is work - I don't want it to be
lost. I want to share it and hope that families will hang on to it and that
it will be preserved. I try to locate living family and share the work I
have done - this is what makes it rewarding for me. Some of the work I have
undertaken just because I know the pleasure others, especially elderly
cousins I have found, take in the work. I am even planning to post about
some of these families on Jgen in case there are relatives that may be
working on them that I could share with.

The software I use (Legacy) allows me to do reports that feature multiple
lines of descent. These reports allow me, and the people I share with, the
opportunity to see the connections between the different families, the
multiple intermarriages, how the families came >from the same area and may
have ties in the "old country," etc.

As Michael said it is your choice. If you have the time and the desire to do
the work then go for it. I have to admit I am a little more timid when it
comes to calling strangers that I am really not related to but I have never
been as timid as many of the people who post and have only once had a
negative reaction and I think the elderly man I spoke to may have been
senile. When I find a cousin that is 90 I figure I had better call fast!

Good luck,

Carolyn Lea
NW Ohio
clea@woh.rr.com
ID# 152314

Researching: SCHWARZBAUM/SCHWARTZBAUM > Posen, Prussia >New York,
Savannah, Georgia and California ROTHSCHILD/ROTHCHILD> Zierenberg, Hessen
Kassel, Hamburg? Prussia> Darien and Savannah, Georgia
BASCH>Prussia>Savannah, Georgia LEWISOHN/LEVISON Elbing, West Prussia>
Brunswick and Savannah, Georgia OPPENHEIM(ER) > Hannover>Savannah, Georgia
and South Carolina WEINBERG >Prussia? Hamburg?> Georgia WITKOWSKI/
WITMAN > Posen, Prussia > Georgia, Florida, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSGW, Bethesda Maryland, Sunday, September 9, 2007 #general

Jeff Miller
 

The Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
Kicks off the 2007-8 Schedule with a Stimulating Program
S a v e t h e D a t e!

Date: Sunday, September 9, 2007
Time: 1:00 PM Schmooze Time 1:30 PM Program

Location: Congregation Beth El,
8215 Old Georgetown Road
Bethesda, Maryland 20814

Topic: "Sephardic Genealogy: Resources, Similarities and
Differences"
Speaker: Jeffrey Malka, M.D.

In this presentation, Dr. Malka will discuss getting started in Sephardic
Jewish genealogy, where the records are found, and surnames. Resources will
be identified that are especially relevant to pre-expulsion Spain. He will
discuss the similarities and differences between Sephardic and Eastern
European Jewish genealogy. The role and uses of DNA and the differences
found between Sephardic and Ashkenasim will be presented.

A retired professor of orthopaedic surgery, Jeffrey Malka is the author of
the prize-winning book "Sephardic Genealogy: Discovering your Sephardic
Ancestors and their World" (Avotaynu, 2002) and the creator of JewishGen's
Sephardic SIG website based on his own popular Sephardic Genealogy Resources
website. Descended >from a long line of Sephardic rabbis going back to 14th
century cabbalists and authors (as well as Catalan blacksmiths and money
lenders), he is one of the pioneers of Sephardic genealogy in the United
States and a well known lecturer on the subject. Dr. Malka has been an
invited lecturer at the Library of Congress, several IAJGS annual
conferences, Washington Jewish Historical Society, and numerous Jewish
Genealogy Societies in the U.S., Canada, and Spain.
____________________
DIRECTIONS TO BETH EL (BETHESDA)

from Washington, DC
Go north on Wisconsin Avenue
Make a diagonal left onto Old Georgetown Road (MD-187 West) in downtown
Bethesda at the intersection with East-West Highway
Go approximately one mile
Congregation Beth El is on your right at the light for Huntington Parkway
from the Beltway (495)
from the Beltway (495), exit at Old Georgetown Road (exit 36)
Follow the exit ramp South towards Bethesda
Continue on Old Georgetown Road for a 1 3/4 miles
Congregation Beth El is on your left at the light for Huntington Parkway

All are welcome to visit. We charge $5 to non-members to attend a program
meeting, but the fee can go towards membership if you join at a meeting.

I look forward to seeing you at an upcoming program.

Jeff Miller
VP, Administration/Logistics and Publicist
Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JFRA Israel: Karen Franklin on Sept. 4 and Jerusalem Post article #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

JFRA Israel's Ra'anana branch welcomes New Yorker
Karen Franklin at 7.30, Tuesday, September 4.

She will speak on how the international genealogical
community and art organizations are collaborating to
solve European cases, and will also speak on the
issues relating to Jewish museums.

JFRA Ra'anana meets at Bet Fisher, 5 Klausner St,
Ra'anana. Members, NIS 5; others, NIS 20.

Here's a link to the Jerusalem Post article on Karen's
role in these issues and some fascinating cases:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1188392507317&pagename=
JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Best wishes,

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
dardasht1@yahoo.com

Tracing the Tribe - The Jewish Genealogy Blog
httpL//tracingthetribe.blogspot.com
schelly@tracingthetribe.com


JRI Poland #Poland Polish Translation Needed - Viewmate VM10477 #poland

SUSAN JURISZ <suejurisz@...>
 

I have just posted a birth document for my husband's great-grandmother, Sura
Gracz of Drobin, Poland. I was delighted to receive this file >from a fellow
researcher, Marjorie Gratz Baldwin, whom I believe to be a distant cousin.

Sura Gracz was also known as Chaya Sura; I'm not sure whether she received
the extra name at birth or later on.

I am seeking a translation of this document, so that I can finally zero in
on Sura's birth date. (Her age seems to vary widely in subsequent
documents.) Any pertinent details would be greatly appreciated!

The direct link to this file is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=10477

Please reply directly to me at:

suejurisz@msn.com

Best regards,

Susan Jurisz
Minneapolis, MN / The Villages, FL

Researching: JURYS/JURYSZ (Drobin, Sierpc); GRACZ (Drobin); MAJEROWICZ,
NORDON, GRUDAW (Sierpc); ELBAUM (Kosow Lacki); MANOWICZ (Gora Kalwaria,
Kosow Lacki).


JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate Translation Help #poland

jsachs@...
 

Dear group members,

I have posted the 1889 birth record of my great-grandmother, Lea
Nochumowna KRACOWSKA, who was born in Bialystok, onto ViewMate (VM10467).
I would greatly appreciate any help translating her entry (#80, the third
from the top) >from Russian into English.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=10467

Please respond directly to me.

Thank you,

Jaclyn Sachs,
Los Angeles, CA, USA


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Shavli Chaimas Frenkelis and his son Jacob #lithuania

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

On 9/2/07, Jules Levin <ameliede@earthlink.net> wrote:
: The museum has come to own a mansion built by one
Chaimas Frenkelis and his son Jacob in 1908. Apparently after renovations,
ALL the museum's collection will be housed in the Frenkels' former
mansion. Any Frenkel/Frankel heirs on this list?
At the turn of the century ( c 1900) a tannery (a factory to process
raw leather), was established by a Jew by the name of Chaim Frankel
in Shavli/ Saulai. The firm was the biggest factory in the entire region.
During the holocaust this factory saved the lives of many Jews in the area.
Simcha Brudno ( born in Shavli in 1924) told me; When the Germans took
control of the tannery, they realized the great potential and decided
to continue the work. Soon they found out that many of the essential
workers were Jews and most of them were arrested. A committee made up
of a number of Jewish leaders in contact with the city officials and the
German leaders decided to put the essential Jews in a ghetto for their
own protection....

You could read Simchas' story at;
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/siauliai/siau_pages/siau_stories112305.htm

Another story is by Meyer Kron he wrote that Chaim Frenkel died in Bad
Homburg in 1920 at the age of sixty. He left his property to his wife
and their only son, Yaakov. He had four cousins who had worked with
his father before the war. They were Chaim-Leib Sheskin, Ilya and
Isaac Mordel and Fiva Potruch. The only person involved in the
reconstruction of the factory who was not a relative was Meyer Korns'
father.
There is much more about it;
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/siauliai/siau_pages/siau_stories_return.htm

Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles


Nathan MOSCISKER - "3 os." #galicia

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Our original query was >from Rivka Schirman who wrote: "I have found
an entry referring to my great-uncle in the directory of refugees:
(page 250) MOSCISKER Natan, urz. bank., - Wieden, IX. Alserbachg.
1. 7. 3 os."

We solved the Wieden/Vienna side easily. But *3 os.* was more of a
problem.

Logan Kleinwaks replied; "In answer to a question about the 1914/1915
Galiciaand Bukovina War Refugees Directory, I believe that "os."
appearing after each entry is an abbreviation for "osob," meaning
persons. So, "3 os." means that three people were somehow associated
with the person identified in the entry, but I do not know in what
way they were associated. Were they relatives, people living in the
same apartment, or something else?"

I noted in the Galicia SIG message archives in January 2007 we have
already had a clear reply to the "Os" question >from Evelyne Haendel
and Johannes Heidecker who told us that in Serbian, "os" namely
"osobe", means (number of) persons.

I decided to confirm this "3 os." problem, once and for all, for
Nathan MOSCISKER so I cross-checked the Meldezettel in Vienna and
this is what it says: [nb the address in the refugee directory must
have been the one he was first assigned to/registered at when he
***first*** arrived by train!]:

Nathan MOSCISKER, born 12.03.1866 in Lopatyn/Galicia, Bank official,
married, lived between 02.02.1915 - 09.02.1916: at 9., Sensengasse
9a/2/10 (registered together with wife Victoria aged 32 and child
Alfred aged 10.} Nathan MOSCISKER died on 09.02.1916 in Vienna. [I
already located his grave and reported on this - he was indeed
buried on the 11 Feb 1916].

Wiktoria MOSCISKER, born 16.01.1882 in Stanislau, widowed, lived
between 05.09.1916 - 20.06.1918: at 7., Lerchenfelder 45-47/3/7 and
was registered together with child Alfred aged 12 - and then departed
for Stanislau.

QED - there were 3 people in the MOSCISKER family group, so we have
effectively confirmed the *3 os.* problem and any further *os*
problems, if they arise again. Thus, the little word *os* can give
us quite a lot of genealogical information!

I suspect, >from this single piece of evidence, that the Galicia and
Bukovina War Refugees Directory was based on an *initial* official
registration with the authorities on arrival [first address and
number of people in family group]. Families may have moved to other
addresses later. I would need to follow up other entries to confirm
this, at least for Vienna.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Nathan MOSCISKER - "3 os." #galicia

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Our original query was >from Rivka Schirman who wrote: "I have found
an entry referring to my great-uncle in the directory of refugees:
(page 250) MOSCISKER Natan, urz. bank., - Wieden, IX. Alserbachg.
1. 7. 3 os."

We solved the Wieden/Vienna side easily. But *3 os.* was more of a
problem.

Logan Kleinwaks replied; "In answer to a question about the 1914/1915
Galiciaand Bukovina War Refugees Directory, I believe that "os."
appearing after each entry is an abbreviation for "osob," meaning
persons. So, "3 os." means that three people were somehow associated
with the person identified in the entry, but I do not know in what
way they were associated. Were they relatives, people living in the
same apartment, or something else?"

I noted in the Galicia SIG message archives in January 2007 we have
already had a clear reply to the "Os" question >from Evelyne Haendel
and Johannes Heidecker who told us that in Serbian, "os" namely
"osobe", means (number of) persons.

I decided to confirm this "3 os." problem, once and for all, for
Nathan MOSCISKER so I cross-checked the Meldezettel in Vienna and
this is what it says: [nb the address in the refugee directory must
have been the one he was first assigned to/registered at when he
***first*** arrived by train!]:

Nathan MOSCISKER, born 12.03.1866 in Lopatyn/Galicia, Bank official,
married, lived between 02.02.1915 - 09.02.1916: at 9., Sensengasse
9a/2/10 (registered together with wife Victoria aged 32 and child
Alfred aged 10.} Nathan MOSCISKER died on 09.02.1916 in Vienna. [I
already located his grave and reported on this - he was indeed
buried on the 11 Feb 1916].

Wiktoria MOSCISKER, born 16.01.1882 in Stanislau, widowed, lived
between 05.09.1916 - 20.06.1918: at 7., Lerchenfelder 45-47/3/7 and
was registered together with child Alfred aged 12 - and then departed
for Stanislau.

QED - there were 3 people in the MOSCISKER family group, so we have
effectively confirmed the *3 os.* problem and any further *os*
problems, if they arise again. Thus, the little word *os* can give
us quite a lot of genealogical information!

I suspect, >from this single piece of evidence, that the Galicia and
Bukovina War Refugees Directory was based on an *initial* official
registration with the authorities on arrival [first address and
number of people in family group]. Families may have moved to other
addresses later. I would need to follow up other entries to confirm
this, at least for Vienna.

Celia Male [U.K.]