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Re: Exploring families related by marriage #general

Judith27
 

Dear Debbie,
When I first started my genealogical adventures some 15 years ago, I did so
by researching both my ancestral families as well as my husband's ancestral
families ~ and since I aimed to be as inclusionary as possible, I have always
accepted any additional information that relatives offered along the way. One
advantage of doing this is that when a new baby cousin is born or someone in
the extended mishpacha has a Bar Mitzvah /Bat Mitzvah I can send a fuller
ancestral tree as a present. (Of course the remaining blanks in the tree may
also motivate the relatives then sending you ever more data on their
relatives...)
Later on, as my sons married, I also started doing their wives' family
histories as I knew I would want my grandchildren to have as full an ancestral
tree as possible.
However, when my husband's brother married and I asked his wife-to-be for a
few basics about her immediate family, since she had seen the family trees I
had sent my brother-in-law, instead of her just sending me data about her
immediate nuclear family, she instead contacted her father for familial
information and she wound up sending me information about a fascinating
Sephardic tree that stretched >from England and France back to Izmir,
Turkey, and Mogador, Morocco. In the process of supplementing that data,
I have really expanded my genealogical research skills, and I have also
been in touch with many of her distant relatives, three of whom I have
had the pleasure of meeting at various IAJGS conferences, especially at
the most recent gathering in Israel.
So my advice would definitely be to store and enter data about relatives by
marriage.
Shanah tovah,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY

"Debbie Bozkurt" <debbieinscotland@googlemail.com>

Can anyone advise me whether they investigate families related by
marriage and is this exceptable when undertaking geneology.
snip>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Exploring families related by marriage #general

Judith27
 

Dear Debbie,
When I first started my genealogical adventures some 15 years ago, I did so
by researching both my ancestral families as well as my husband's ancestral
families ~ and since I aimed to be as inclusionary as possible, I have always
accepted any additional information that relatives offered along the way. One
advantage of doing this is that when a new baby cousin is born or someone in
the extended mishpacha has a Bar Mitzvah /Bat Mitzvah I can send a fuller
ancestral tree as a present. (Of course the remaining blanks in the tree may
also motivate the relatives then sending you ever more data on their
relatives...)
Later on, as my sons married, I also started doing their wives' family
histories as I knew I would want my grandchildren to have as full an ancestral
tree as possible.
However, when my husband's brother married and I asked his wife-to-be for a
few basics about her immediate family, since she had seen the family trees I
had sent my brother-in-law, instead of her just sending me data about her
immediate nuclear family, she instead contacted her father for familial
information and she wound up sending me information about a fascinating
Sephardic tree that stretched >from England and France back to Izmir,
Turkey, and Mogador, Morocco. In the process of supplementing that data,
I have really expanded my genealogical research skills, and I have also
been in touch with many of her distant relatives, three of whom I have
had the pleasure of meeting at various IAJGS conferences, especially at
the most recent gathering in Israel.
So my advice would definitely be to store and enter data about relatives by
marriage.
Shanah tovah,
Judi Langer-Surnamer Caplan
Long Beach, NY

"Debbie Bozkurt" <debbieinscotland@googlemail.com>

Can anyone advise me whether they investigate families related by
marriage and is this exceptable when undertaking geneology.
snip>>


Re: Exploring families related by marriage #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

When I taught genealogy, one of the first things I taught was that
this was not high school. There is no right thing to do to get an A.
You do what you want - only some things will help you get further and
some things will confuse things.

And often, especially in the older times, the relatives by marriage
will turn out to be cousins of some sort. I found 5 relatives who
married various Stolowski people, and I am sure that, if the records
ever show up, we will turn out to be one family in about 1800.

So if you want to investigate families related by marriage, go ahead.
I do it; lots do. A friend of mine keeps track of the families that
live near her families in censuses - a boon to me because my family
lived near her family in many censuses! Her uncle once told her of
smoking corn silk behind a barn with my mother's first cousin (then
about 85) when they were little; my cousin burned off his eyebrows. I
called the man and reminded him of it. What a good story.

So do what is of interest to you.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Exploring families related by marriage #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

When I taught genealogy, one of the first things I taught was that
this was not high school. There is no right thing to do to get an A.
You do what you want - only some things will help you get further and
some things will confuse things.

And often, especially in the older times, the relatives by marriage
will turn out to be cousins of some sort. I found 5 relatives who
married various Stolowski people, and I am sure that, if the records
ever show up, we will turn out to be one family in about 1800.

So if you want to investigate families related by marriage, go ahead.
I do it; lots do. A friend of mine keeps track of the families that
live near her families in censuses - a boon to me because my family
lived near her family in many censuses! Her uncle once told her of
smoking corn silk behind a barn with my mother's first cousin (then
about 85) when they were little; my cousin burned off his eyebrows. I
called the man and reminded him of it. What a good story.

So do what is of interest to you.

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ


Antwerp Alien Registration #general

Paul Goodman <paul.goodman513@...>
 

I would like to thank Evertjan Hannivoort for bringing to my attention the
Antwerp Alien Registers. I was able to find after searching for nearly 10
years documentary proof that my Great Grandfather Emanuel Goodman was living
in Antwerp. Thereby confirming the stories handed down about where he
had 'disappeared' to.
Thanks very much for alerting me to these archives.

Paul Goodman
Folkestone Kent
Researching : GOODMAN Poland, London, Liverpool ZEFFERTT Kutno Poland,
London, Liverpool SIMONS Poland London JOSEPH The Netherlands, London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Antwerp Alien Registration #general

Paul Goodman <paul.goodman513@...>
 

I would like to thank Evertjan Hannivoort for bringing to my attention the
Antwerp Alien Registers. I was able to find after searching for nearly 10
years documentary proof that my Great Grandfather Emanuel Goodman was living
in Antwerp. Thereby confirming the stories handed down about where he
had 'disappeared' to.
Thanks very much for alerting me to these archives.

Paul Goodman
Folkestone Kent
Researching : GOODMAN Poland, London, Liverpool ZEFFERTT Kutno Poland,
London, Liverpool SIMONS Poland London JOSEPH The Netherlands, London


researching family by marriage #general

Annemarie Jutel <jutel@...>
 

There are some very important reasons for researching family by marriage.
For example, in my family, there was little information available about my
great grandmother or her family. But, I did find a picture of her brother
and his wife (with their names). So, I researched him, and similarly found
little about where he might have come from. So I looked at his wife, who
conveniently had a more unusual maiden name. What I was able to
reconstruct >from doing this is that he and his wife most likely followed HER
brothers to the US. But, HIS parents and married sister (my blood family)
followed him. And, as his WIFE'S family became prominent in their new town,
and had the unusual name, looking up information about them was easy, and
revealed information about the town they came from, and by extension my
family might have come from. And indeed, I have been able to confirm now
that it was their town. I think therefore that researching marriage lines
can be very important to uncovering information about blood lines.

Annemarie Jutel
Wellington, New Zealand


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen researching family by marriage #general

Annemarie Jutel <jutel@...>
 

There are some very important reasons for researching family by marriage.
For example, in my family, there was little information available about my
great grandmother or her family. But, I did find a picture of her brother
and his wife (with their names). So, I researched him, and similarly found
little about where he might have come from. So I looked at his wife, who
conveniently had a more unusual maiden name. What I was able to
reconstruct >from doing this is that he and his wife most likely followed HER
brothers to the US. But, HIS parents and married sister (my blood family)
followed him. And, as his WIFE'S family became prominent in their new town,
and had the unusual name, looking up information about them was easy, and
revealed information about the town they came from, and by extension my
family might have come from. And indeed, I have been able to confirm now
that it was their town. I think therefore that researching marriage lines
can be very important to uncovering information about blood lines.

Annemarie Jutel
Wellington, New Zealand


AMDUR AMDURSKY EMDUR AMDURER & variations #general

News Groups <mister@...>
 

If you are related to any of the various Amdur branches this is just a
reminder that there is an official Amdur web site located at
http://www.amnet.net.au/~fourkidz/

Please feel free to browse the site, and to pass on the site address to
those who might not be aware of it. Our aim is to try and link together as
many of the Amdur branches that we possibly can. This can only be done with
your assistance.

Wishing you all a great yomtov and well over the fast

Mike Ross (Australia) & Sallyann Sack (USA)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen AMDUR AMDURSKY EMDUR AMDURER & variations #general

News Groups <mister@...>
 

If you are related to any of the various Amdur branches this is just a
reminder that there is an official Amdur web site located at
http://www.amnet.net.au/~fourkidz/

Please feel free to browse the site, and to pass on the site address to
those who might not be aware of it. Our aim is to try and link together as
many of the Amdur branches that we possibly can. This can only be done with
your assistance.

Wishing you all a great yomtov and well over the fast

Mike Ross (Australia) & Sallyann Sack (USA)


Looking for SEGAL family formerly of Philadelphia #general

GojuMom@...
 

I am looking for information on the descendants of Max and Chaya (Ida) SEGAL
of Philadelphia. They came >from Zhivotov, a shtetl about 94 miles SSW of
Kiev arriving in the early 1900's.
Chaya's maiden name was VINNITSKIA (Vinnitskii) she was born 1868.
Max was a butcher and he was born about 1865.
They had the following children: Jacob, Rose, Rachel, Michael and Rubin.
Michael married Edith TREGUB.
And Rubin married a woman named Pearl.
They had at least one daughter, Marsha who married 1969 to a WACHS.

The family are cousins. Chaya was my father's aunt.

Thank you,

JoAnne Vanett
Ambler, PA

Searching: >from the Zhivotov & Tetiev area of the Ukraine:
VINNITSKII > VENETSKY > Vanett (aka Winnitski)
ROSENBERG BELENKEY / Belanko FEINGOLD ALTMAN
BALABAN GRIMBURG / Greenburg KRASNEY OSMAN /Hossman
SHPAK / Schpek OROWITZ / Horowitz SOLOSITSKY
Also >from Sulwak & East Prussia: ALTKRUG POSTAWELSKY
EWENTHAWE FUHRMAN HELLER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for SEGAL family formerly of Philadelphia #general

GojuMom@...
 

I am looking for information on the descendants of Max and Chaya (Ida) SEGAL
of Philadelphia. They came >from Zhivotov, a shtetl about 94 miles SSW of
Kiev arriving in the early 1900's.
Chaya's maiden name was VINNITSKIA (Vinnitskii) she was born 1868.
Max was a butcher and he was born about 1865.
They had the following children: Jacob, Rose, Rachel, Michael and Rubin.
Michael married Edith TREGUB.
And Rubin married a woman named Pearl.
They had at least one daughter, Marsha who married 1969 to a WACHS.

The family are cousins. Chaya was my father's aunt.

Thank you,

JoAnne Vanett
Ambler, PA

Searching: >from the Zhivotov & Tetiev area of the Ukraine:
VINNITSKII > VENETSKY > Vanett (aka Winnitski)
ROSENBERG BELENKEY / Belanko FEINGOLD ALTMAN
BALABAN GRIMBURG / Greenburg KRASNEY OSMAN /Hossman
SHPAK / Schpek OROWITZ / Horowitz SOLOSITSKY
Also >from Sulwak & East Prussia: ALTKRUG POSTAWELSKY
EWENTHAWE FUHRMAN HELLER


Ohio Online Death and Marriage Index #general

Shelly Crane
 

Hello,
I came upon a nice online resource for Ohio, (USA) genealogy called, "The
R.B. Hayes Presidential Center Index." This includes over 1,200,000
obituaries, death and marriage notices >from the 1810's to present day
for the following Ohio counties: Allen, Auglaize, Belmont, Clark,
Defiance, Erie, Franklin, Gallia, Hancock, Hardin, Henry, Highland,
Huron, Logan, Loraine, Miami, Ottawa, Paulding, Putnam, Ross, Sandusky,
Seneca, Van Wert, Washington, Wayne, Wood, Wyandot.

Playing around with this index, I noticed in some cases basic details are
listed including, age, location, names of parents, spouse etc. In other
instances, minimal information is provided, but always there are instructions
for ordering the actual newspaper notice along with instructions for payment.

Unfortunately, only some cities are represented in each county, but with
a bit of luck, you will find a family obituary or other notice.
The URL is:
http://index.rbhayes.org/hayes/index/

Happy hunting,
Shelly Levin
USA
crzprncess@aol.com
Names I am researching in Ohio, USA:
Akron: DAVIDSON, GARBER, STEIN; Sandusky: BARATT; Youngstown: DAVIDOV
Cleveland: : APPLEBAUM, BARANSKY, BARATT, BERKA, BERMAN, BERKOWICZ/
BUKOWICZ, DAVIDOV, DAVIS, FROMSON, GABELMAN, GLASS, KOEPPEL, KWAIT, KWATCHINSKY,
LANGUS, LEFELMAN, LEVIN, LIPOFF, LIPOWICZ , MILEWICZ, RABINOWITZ,
SELDMAN, SHAPIRO, SHIFFMAN, SILVERSTEIN, SOLOMON, STARK, STILLMAN, WITRIOL,
ZEISLER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ohio Online Death and Marriage Index #general

Shelly Crane
 

Hello,
I came upon a nice online resource for Ohio, (USA) genealogy called, "The
R.B. Hayes Presidential Center Index." This includes over 1,200,000
obituaries, death and marriage notices >from the 1810's to present day
for the following Ohio counties: Allen, Auglaize, Belmont, Clark,
Defiance, Erie, Franklin, Gallia, Hancock, Hardin, Henry, Highland,
Huron, Logan, Loraine, Miami, Ottawa, Paulding, Putnam, Ross, Sandusky,
Seneca, Van Wert, Washington, Wayne, Wood, Wyandot.

Playing around with this index, I noticed in some cases basic details are
listed including, age, location, names of parents, spouse etc. In other
instances, minimal information is provided, but always there are instructions
for ordering the actual newspaper notice along with instructions for payment.

Unfortunately, only some cities are represented in each county, but with
a bit of luck, you will find a family obituary or other notice.
The URL is:
http://index.rbhayes.org/hayes/index/

Happy hunting,
Shelly Levin
USA
crzprncess@aol.com
Names I am researching in Ohio, USA:
Akron: DAVIDSON, GARBER, STEIN; Sandusky: BARATT; Youngstown: DAVIDOV
Cleveland: : APPLEBAUM, BARANSKY, BARATT, BERKA, BERMAN, BERKOWICZ/
BUKOWICZ, DAVIDOV, DAVIS, FROMSON, GABELMAN, GLASS, KOEPPEL, KWAIT, KWATCHINSKY,
LANGUS, LEFELMAN, LEVIN, LIPOFF, LIPOWICZ , MILEWICZ, RABINOWITZ,
SELDMAN, SHAPIRO, SHIFFMAN, SILVERSTEIN, SOLOMON, STARK, STILLMAN, WITRIOL,
ZEISLER


Galician families WW2 #galicia

Beata Kalinska
 

I am researching deportations (and fate of deportees) >from Galicia
during WW2 and often come across Jewish names. These might have
relevance for someone who is searching for family history.

Going through the listings of Anders Army soldiers who died during
the period the army was being consolidated and are buried in USSR,
I have come across, so far:

BELIC Abram age 24 buried at Tockoje

BIEGIELAIZEN Jakub age 30 buried at Tockoje

BLOCH Szepsel age 35 buried at Tockoje

CYNDLER Julim age 48 buried at Buzuluk

RAJCHENBACH Szulim age ? buried at Koltubanka

If this is of any use to anyone I will update this list as names
come up. I hope someone can make a connection.

Beata Kalinska
Montreal


PENN Genealogy #general

Arnon Hershkovitz <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagus!

While trying to help a friend with a family mystery, I'm trying to trace the
paternal ancestors of the director Arthur PENN (b. 1923, PA) and his brother
photographer, Irving PENN (b. 1917, NY).

Their father was Harry PENN (divorced >from his wife, Sonia nee GREENBERG) c.
1926, and died in the 1940s, probably in New York, NY. I've found Sonia as
the head of the family in 1930 US Federal Census, but didn't find the family
in 1920 census.

I'm trying to find information about Harry's ancestors and particularly
information about his possible connection to the famous Hebrew poet
Alexander PENN.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Yours,
Arnon Hershkvoitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Galician families WW2 #galicia

Beata Kalinska
 

I am researching deportations (and fate of deportees) >from Galicia
during WW2 and often come across Jewish names. These might have
relevance for someone who is searching for family history.

Going through the listings of Anders Army soldiers who died during
the period the army was being consolidated and are buried in USSR,
I have come across, so far:

BELIC Abram age 24 buried at Tockoje

BIEGIELAIZEN Jakub age 30 buried at Tockoje

BLOCH Szepsel age 35 buried at Tockoje

CYNDLER Julim age 48 buried at Buzuluk

RAJCHENBACH Szulim age ? buried at Koltubanka

If this is of any use to anyone I will update this list as names
come up. I hope someone can make a connection.

Beata Kalinska
Montreal


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen PENN Genealogy #general

Arnon Hershkovitz <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagus!

While trying to help a friend with a family mystery, I'm trying to trace the
paternal ancestors of the director Arthur PENN (b. 1923, PA) and his brother
photographer, Irving PENN (b. 1917, NY).

Their father was Harry PENN (divorced >from his wife, Sonia nee GREENBERG) c.
1926, and died in the 1940s, probably in New York, NY. I've found Sonia as
the head of the family in 1930 US Federal Census, but didn't find the family
in 1920 census.

I'm trying to find information about Harry's ancestors and particularly
information about his possible connection to the famous Hebrew poet
Alexander PENN.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Yours,
Arnon Hershkvoitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


Articles for The Galitzianer #galicia

Edward Goldstein <editor.TheGalitzianer@...>
 

We are looking for material for The Galitzianer: original articles,
material >from other publications, postcards, etc. The only criterion
is that there be some relevance to Galicia.

If you have any ideas let me know by writing privately to
editor.TheGalitzianer@verizon.net.

Edward Goldstein
Editor, The Galitzianer


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Articles for The Galitzianer #galicia

Edward Goldstein <editor.TheGalitzianer@...>
 

We are looking for material for The Galitzianer: original articles,
material >from other publications, postcards, etc. The only criterion
is that there be some relevance to Galicia.

If you have any ideas let me know by writing privately to
editor.TheGalitzianer@verizon.net.

Edward Goldstein
Editor, The Galitzianer