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Re: The meaning of Memeh Fryme #yiddish #galicia

shirley@...
 

My Belarus [Minsk] side used Tante and my Ukrainian [Galician] side used Mima.  In each case the aunt was older than the speaker, and the title was respectful.  These are regionalisms used by native Yiddish speakers.  Both are correct.
Shirley Ginzburg


Re: Let me restate my name question Re: Nellie #russia #names

Glenda Rubin
 

Nettie is also derived from Genesha.
 
I had an aunt named Nettie, and as far as I know, it wasn't a nickname or diminutive.  Her "Jewish" name was Genesha, and formal/English name was Nettie. I can't be absolutely certain, as I don't have birth certificate, but Nettie is what's on the 1910 census form when she was ~6 years old.
 
Glenda

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Glenda Rubin
San Francisco Bay Area
Researching: STRYZEWSKI, STRAUSS, JANOFSKY, JANOFF, OBODOV, WERNICK, GREENBERG, KROCHAK. Shtetls: Lipovets, Ilintsy, Pliskov, Starokonstantinov, Krasilov


Re: DATZ and SATZ Families from Mogilev-Podol'sk #ukraine

jswack@...
 

I replied and I don't see it. I'm a Satz descendant (in fact doubly, because my great-grandparents were first cousins Satz-Spilkes). And they were from Mogilev-Podolsky. But we have a lot of matches with variants of Deitch, Deitz, Deutsch, etc., and this includes the other families who put together ticket orders with my great-grandfather Joine Spilkes (mother was a Satz and his wife was a Satz) to bring relatives from Mogilev and from Bessarabia. Do you know if Datz was the same family as the one's I mentioned. I see records for Datz and records for all these Deutsch variants. Satz was also Zatz, Shatz, and Shatz-Treibichan.  Our close relatives were Satz, Spilkes, Treibich, Gass, Broker, and my great-grandfather sent orders through Cohen (I think the maternal family of Treibich), Blufstein, and Roytman (besides through other Gass family members). Their immigration was to Philadelphia.  I think we have exchanged some information before. Best regards, Jeanne Swack


ViewMate translation request - Polish #poland #translation

evagjuni@...
 

I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation. It is on ViewMate at the following address ...
https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM85370
Specifically, if you can help decipher the grandmother's name, that would be very helpful.
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.
Thank you very much.
Eva Stevenson


Re: DATZ and SATZ Families from Mogilev-Podol'sk #ukraine

jswack@...
 

Dear Janis,
I'm a Satz descendant (my mother's mother's parents were a Satz and a Spilkes who were first cousins; they were from Mogilev-Podolsky). I've seen the Datz's, plus Deitz's, Deitch's, Deutches, etc., all of whom seem to be the same family (not sure about Datz). The Deitch etc. names also appear in the ticket order groups that my great-grandfather Joine Spilkes participated in to bring other family members from Mogilev and from Bessarabia (we also had a lot of relatives in Galicia) to Philadelphia. Some of our other close relatives are Treibich, Gass, Broker, and sometimes they are combined in the records (Satz or Shatz-Treibichan, for example). And Gass is sometimes Hass or similar, since the sound is between G and H in Russian. My great-grandfather's also sent his ticket orders via a Roytman family and a Blufstein family.   I have been wondering about you too. Does this sound familiar to you?  Jeanne Swack


Minnesota JGS Webinar: Exploring your New York Jewish History Online. Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 1 PM CDT #announcements #jgs-iajgs

casson123@...
 

Have you ever wondered how your immigrant ancestors adjusted to life in New York when they first immigrated to the US, and how they came to the Midwest? Our speaker will be J.D. Arden, reference and genealogy librarian at the Center for Jewish History (CJH) in New York. The talk will focus on how to research immigrants to New York during two periods of immigration 1860 - 1891 and 1892 - 1924 using New York-specific online resources, with an emphasis on resources available at the CJH Ackerman and Ziff Family Genealogy Institute.

Please RSVP here to reserve your place.
https://www.mnjgs.org/events

Liba Casson
VP, MNJGS
Edina, MN

Researching: NOTKIN from Minsk, Gomel, Zlynka and CASSON/CHAZANSKI from Nemencine, Vilnius


Re: WWI deportees returning from Russia - What info in original record #lithuania #records

Michele Lock
 

I found the correct Sheina Lak Klein from Zagare, and matched up her age with her death record. She and her family were returning from Slaviansk in the Ukraine. This also matches up with the 'birthplace' of Slaviansk that my great uncle Eli Lak (born 1904, half-brother to Sheina Lak Klein) used on his ship passenger list when he came to the US in 1923; he also listed himself as a citizen of Russia, rather than Lithuania.

I have records showing that Eli's other brothers and sisters were born in Gruzdziai, near Zagare. Slaviansk is 700 miles from Zagare; it is not possible that one brother would be born 700 miles away from his other siblings. I believe he was unable to get Lithuanian citizenship after returning to Lithuania, so was 'forced' to declare himself a Russian citizen, which included having to declare a new birthplace within Russia. Even as late as 1942, on his WW II draft card for the US Army, he was listing his birthplace as Slaviansk (caused me a lot of confusion when I first saw this).

I am aware that deportees went through various stages from and back to Lithuania and that it was not a smooth journey either way; what I am most interested in is the place within Russia where they spent the majority of the war.

Michele Lock
Alexandria, VA


Re: Finding siblings of Harry Schwartz in Brooklyn?? #bessarabia #usa

elissa7@...
 

I am questioning the date of birth for Joseph. There is no way he was only two years older than his son. I have a second great uncle Joseph Schwartz, that was born in Debrecon, Hungry.  July 10, 1863, son of Lajos Schwartz and Becka Weiss Schwartz.  Becka died in Utica, NY in 1899.  
Any chance this is the right family.  Daughter Bertha Schwartz Glick lived in Utica, Fulton, Beacon and Newburgh. NY. Newhaven CT and Clifton and Paterson, NJ.  

Elissa Haden


JGSColorado September lecture Using Endogamous DNA to Research or Solve Your Genealogical Puzzles and DNA Case Studies #events

Ellen Beller
 

Sunday, September 13th
10:00 AM  to 12:00 PM Mountain Time

Using Endogamous DNA to Research or Solve Your Genealogical Puzzles and DNA Case Studies  

Register in advance for this meeting:

https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZwkfu6prjouGdMWPAf05Zu8FE3X0PgcYKYU

Speaker:  Terry Lasky

Terry undertook a large DNA analysis project on the paternal side of his family.  The purpose of this analysis was to try and prove/disprove the relationships between different family lines.  Over 25 family members participated by testing on Ancestry and FamilyTreeDNA.  This presentation is a summary of the approach, issues, methods and, results from that study.  The lessons learned, both good and bad, are valuable for any Jewish person wishing to use DNA to research or solve their genealogical puzzles.

Terry Lasky is a 20-year member of JGSCO.  He served as treasurer for 5 years and as VP of Programming for 4 years.  He has presented over 25 programs to JGSCO and other Jewish organizations in Denver and has mentored many members of JGSCO.  He moved to New Mexico several years ago and continues to present to different groups.  Terry is also a major contributor to JewishGen and has photographed over 40,000 gravestones, translated over 75,000, and submitted over 250,000 entries to JOWBR.  He has also developed a number of databases of Denver, Colorado and, Bessarabia (Moldova) resources and submitted to JewishGen about a dozen distinct databases totaling over 200,000 records.  He is also responsible for the translation of the Yizkor book from his ancestral town, the development of a Kehilalink from the same town, and for research into Jewish shtetls in Moldova, Ukraine, and Romania leading to the development of the JewishGen Communities databases. 

Register in advance for this meeting:

https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZwkfu6prjouGdMWPAf05Zu8FE3X0PgcYKYU


Ellen Beller


 


How to locate family who immigrated from Russia to Israel? #ukraine #israel #russia

Lfried1@...
 

I recently learned that my Great Grandfather Charles Chaskell Goishen Gerscheiner's brother Rachmiel immigrated from Zhytomer to Israel. I do not know to where or when. We believe current family in Israel uses the name Goshen. Have been unable to contact them. How can I access records that might document Rachmiel's arrival in Israel? Thank you, Laurie Fried


New Lezajsk Database for recent discovered gravestones #announcements #galicia #poland

Moses Jefferson
 

Greetings.

You might be aware about the recent discovery in the town square of Lezajsk, Poland. Workers unearthed 150 gravestones in July, which were stoled from the nearby Jewish Cemetery to lay foundations for roads, under the orders of the occupying Nazis.

Described as one of the biggest 'matzevot' finds in recent times, around 100 of the gravestones are still complete. Another 50 headstones were broken up into small pieces and used to fill in the base of the road.

I have gathered as much images possible I could find online, and have deciphered and complied the relevant data into a database which can be accessed here: http://yichus.net/databases/Lezajsk/index.html 

The database currently consists of ONLY 33 Mazevot. The earliest dating February 1915 and the most recent January 1938, it seems the Nazis favoured the ‘newer’ gravestones for their disgusting act.

The database can currently be searched in English, but also displays the original Hebrew names & dates.

I have recently contacted the archeological team responsible for the finding, demanding they share with me photographs for the remaining Matzevot, but unfortunately they still haven’t decided on it. 

Your comments and suggestions are welcome! Especially if you have additional photographs.

Sincerely,

Moses Jefferson 
Genealogist & Researcher of Jewish History
London, UK


Re: Is there such a place as Palestine, Russia??? #russia #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Hi again, folks.

Palestyna is listed in JRI-P database 266 times, as birth place or residence.
It shows mainly in historical Galicia regions:
62 times in Lwow Province,
145 times in Stanislawow and 24 times in Tarnopol Provinces.

In addition, there are Palestyna listings in Bielsko-Biala post Holocaust AD 1945 (?) list and in the JDC Vilna refugees lists and JHI (Jewish Historical Institute) passport collection.
During the period of 1925 to 1948 residents of the Palestine Mandate were issued mandatory Palestine passports. Some folks have traveled to Poland, hence the vital documents such as marriage were issued. Hope this resolves Palestine issue.

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


Re: Telephone books in Ekaterinoslav, Ukraine in 1904 #general #records

boris
 

Speaking from memory, I am not sure there was such a thing as “Telephone Book” in Russia of 1905. There were books titled “Telephone and Reference Books” but I think they came in later. (If anybody wants to correct me - feel free). More common were books titled similar to “All of ..” as in “All of Moscow”, “All of Kiev”, “All of Ekaterinoslav” (if it existed).

 

Regarding your great-grandfather’s story, the suggestion is to check some of the factual details. While pogroms were almost regular occurance, I doubt they were planned four months in advance. Four days would be more likely. Also, I just browsed the Russian internet but could not find a reference to a January, 1905 pogrom in Ekaterinoslav. The first, huge, wave of pogroms started around Passover-Easter time in 1905. As bloody and horrible as it was, it turned out to be a small introduction to the October, 1905 pogroms.


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Boris Feldblyum
FAST Genealogy Service
boris@...

While you might be correct on certain aspects. However when I personally visited the new Ellis Island probably 20 years ago, there is a wall which discusses pogroms. On that wall it talks about a single pogrom that happened in Ekaterinoslav on January 4 & 5, 1905. To say that the upper military did not know in advance about pogroms is incorrect. They knew. From the end of October to early January is just over 2 months. Even in Germany, the Nazi's had a "trial run" of Kristallnacht in Bad Arolsen several days before. When they saw that nothing happened, they executed the "real thing" on November 9-10, 1938.I stand by the story.
Phil Goldfarb
Tulsa, OK


Re: Let me restate my name question Re: Nellie #russia #names

MARC M COHEN
 

With respect to the nickname Nettie, I had a great aunt Nettie whose Hebrew name was Neshama (soul) and whose given name was Ernestine.  So, Nettie could derive from either.

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Marc M. Cohen, Los Gatos, California, USA

BARAK/CANTORCZY: Khotin, Bessarabia; Strorozhinets, Bukovina, Ukraine
CHOMITZ/HAMETZ: Ionina (Janina), Greece; Ignatovka, Ukraine; Kiev Gubernia, Ukraine
COHEN: Dinovitsi (Dunayevtsy) Ukraine; Roman/Tirgu Frumos, Romania
KORNITZKY: Kiev Gubernia, Stepnitz/Stepantsy, Ukraine
RÎBNER: Storozhinetz, Costesti (Costyntsi), Drachinets, Cabesti, Bukovina, Ukraine
ROSENBERG: Tirgu Frumos, Roman, Romania; ISRAEL
WEININGER: Cabesti, Costesti, Drachinets, Czernowitz, Bukovina, Ukraine


Re: Using DNA matches to find Jewish ancestors #dna

valfeatherstone53@...
 

Hi,  I am in a similar position to your father. I found out that I am 26% Jewish earlier this year. My grandmother named a Jewish father on a Salvation Army Home for unmarried mothers document (not on my father s birth certificate though).  My dad is dead so I haven t any DNA data from him. I have found a second cousin in a family with, I believe,  8 potential grandfathers (brothers) in it  but, my father obviously being the result of an extra marital affair, I am finding it fiendishly difficult to find out who my paternal grandfather was.  One of the brothers' grandsons of this family kindly did a DNA test for me and, he turns out to be another second cousin. I am not asking anyone in the family to test  because I do not want to intrude on their privacy, so I guess I too will never know who my grandfather was unless a first cousin pops up. Which is sad because it would make my life make so much more sense.

I think i will look at the DNA more closely now this Winter after I have read your analysis, this may help me sift out potential grandfathers more.
Best wishes with your search. 

Val Featherstone


Re: The meaning of Memeh Fryme #yiddish #galicia

Sherri Bobish
 


My father-in-law called his much older first cousin "Tante Manya" out of respect for their age difference.

That confused me when I first began putting together the family tree!

Sherri Bobish


Re: Question about keeping old newspaper clippings #records

jbonline1111@...
 

If  you choose to save the original clippings, I suggest putting them in acid-free sleeves in an acid-free box.  This will slow down further deterioration.  But I applaud you for scanning everything, though I think you will want at least two digital copies, just in case one deteriorates.
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Barbara Sloan
Conway, SC


Re: Let me restate my name question Re: Nellie #russia #names

Madeleine Isenberg
 

Hi Gayle,

Nellie, or possibly Nettie, might have had the Yiddish name, Necha.  (Not the greatest homonym for a current Hebrew word that means handicapped.)

My mother-in-law was a Nettie/Necha so I know of what I write.  Nad that also is a variation of the Nechama as others have replied.

Regards,
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Madeleine Isenberg
madeleine.isenberg@...
Beverly Hills, CA
 
Researching: GOLDMAN, STEINER, LANGER, GLUECKSMAN, STOTTER in various parts of Galicia, Poland
(Nowy Targ, Nowy Sanz, Wachsmund, Dembno, Lapuszna, Krakow, Ochotnica) who migrated into Kezmarok or
nearby towns in northern Slovakia and Czech Republic (i.e., those who lived/had businesses in Moravska Ostrava);
GOLDSTEIN in Sena or Szina, Szkaros and Kosice, Slovakia; Tolcsva and Tokaj, Hungary.


Re: Hi~Searching for Family. GERSZON & POLEJES from Rubezhevichi, Belarus. #belarus

Sherri Bobish
 


Stefanie,

It is not clear from your message exactly what you are looking for.

Are you looking for research tips for searching U..S. records, or for Belarus records?

Are there specific types of records you seek, i.s. passenger manifests or census, etc.?

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


JewishGen Discussion Group re: KAMINSKY #russia

Rica Goldberg
 

Some time ago I investigated my Kaminsky grandmothers family. I found out they came from Yanova and searched for them in JewishGen. Because of some very clever men who worked on JewishGen (I would love to meet them) who were clever enough to take certain sound out of the surnames, up came in 1874 showing the Kamenshick family with the first names of both my great grandparents plus all their children i.e my grandmothers siblings whose names I already knew.

Rica Goldberg
Manchester, England