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Re: Okopy Swietej Trojcy
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Alexander Sharon
Chalom Schirman wrote:
I am desperately looking for information about the Jewish communityActually this particular region was more complex ethnically. This was the place where Austro-Hungarian Empire (Bukovina region) met Russian Empire's Podolia and Bessarabia (Moldova), and the Kingdom of Romania. Nearby Okopy, small village Kazoczowka was a custom office of A-H Empire. I have got all the birth, marriage and death records mentioning theSince you have already done research through JRI-P database, you have probably noticed that >from 281 entries listed for Okopy, Borszczow district, close to 80% of all records are listed in Mielnica. This logically was the town for the Jewish records of the all surrounding area were located. Nearby Okopy two other larger Jewish communities were Chotin (Khotin) and Zwaniec (Zhvanets). Okopy (701 residents in 1921) is too small to conduct any meaningful search for - you should concentrate on Mielnica (Melnitsa Podolskaya). To answer your questions: 1. Yizkor information on Mielnica has been translated >from Pinkas Hakehillot, Part II, and is located in Jewish Gen databse of translations: http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/pinkas_poland/pol2_00320.html Nearby two other Jewish communities were Chotin (Khotin) and Zwaniec (Zhvanets). 2. Okopy might have their own Jewish community in the past since marriage records for years 1854-1876 are listed separately >from Mielnica. 3. Records >from Mielnica have all survived till 1939 (some B and D records till 1942) and they located in Polish archives. Check Miriam Weiner book or site. Also Polish database "Pradziad" at: http://tinyurl.com/2jp67d 3. Jewish cemetery in Mielnica is also listed in JG database http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/e-europe/ukra-m.html 4. Other administration records for Okopy (eg land title) were deposited in Mielnica and Czortkow, where district and the regional courts were located. Best, Alexander Sharon Calgary, Ab.
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Re: Okopy Swietej Trojcy
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Galicia Forever <vladis@...>
Hi!
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Okopy sw Trojcy locate in actual Borshchiv district of Ternopil region of Ukraine. That is why you should contact people >from Borszczow area. You could try to write to the local town administration. Vladi Semenov Rivka Schirman <capitetes@wanadoo.fr> wrote...
... I have searched the Web as thoroughly as it gets, and found
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Okopy Swietej Trojcy
#galicia
Alexander Sharon
Chalom Schirman wrote:
I am desperately looking for information about the Jewish communityActually this particular region was more complex ethnically. This was the place where Austro-Hungarian Empire (Bukovina region) met Russian Empire's Podolia and Bessarabia (Moldova), and the Kingdom of Romania. Nearby Okopy, small village Kazoczowka was a custom office of A-H Empire. I have got all the birth, marriage and death records mentioning theSince you have already done research through JRI-P database, you have probably noticed that >from 281 entries listed for Okopy, Borszczow district, close to 80% of all records are listed in Mielnica. This logically was the town for the Jewish records of the all surrounding area were located. Nearby Okopy two other larger Jewish communities were Chotin (Khotin) and Zwaniec (Zhvanets). Okopy (701 residents in 1921) is too small to conduct any meaningful search for - you should concentrate on Mielnica (Melnitsa Podolskaya). To answer your questions: 1. Yizkor information on Mielnica has been translated >from Pinkas Hakehillot, Part II, and is located in Jewish Gen databse of translations: http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/pinkas_poland/pol2_00320.html Nearby two other Jewish communities were Chotin (Khotin) and Zwaniec (Zhvanets). 2. Okopy might have their own Jewish community in the past since marriage records for years 1854-1876 are listed separately >from Mielnica. 3. Records >from Mielnica have all survived till 1939 (some B and D records till 1942) and they located in Polish archives. Check Miriam Weiner book or site. Also Polish database "Pradziad" at: http://tinyurl.com/2jp67d 3. Jewish cemetery in Mielnica is also listed in JG database http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/e-europe/ukra-m.html 4. Other administration records for Okopy (eg land title) were deposited in Mielnica and Czortkow, where district and the regional courts were located. Best, Alexander Sharon Calgary, Ab.
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Okopy Swietej Trojcy
#galicia
Galicia Forever <vladis@...>
Hi!
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Okopy sw Trojcy locate in actual Borshchiv district of Ternopil region of Ukraine. That is why you should contact people >from Borszczow area. You could try to write to the local town administration. Vladi Semenov Rivka Schirman <capitetes@wanadoo.fr> wrote...
... I have searched the Web as thoroughly as it gets, and found
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Page of Testimony, name JAGODOWICZ
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Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
Several pages of testimony were submitted in 1955 by Sahava SHEFER (or other
spellings as Zeev SCHEFFER, or Zahava SCHEFFER) living in Tel Aviv at that date. Does someone know still living relatives of Zahava SCHEFFER ? Please respond privately. -- Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky Besancon (France) http://www.convoi73.org and also Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris) http://www.genealoj.org
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Page of Testimony, name JAGODOWICZ
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Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
Several pages of testimony were submitted in 1955 by Sahava SHEFER (or other
spellings as Zeev SCHEFFER, or Zahava SCHEFFER) living in Tel Aviv at that date. Does someone know still living relatives of Zahava SCHEFFER ? Please respond privately. -- Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky Besancon (France) http://www.convoi73.org and also Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris) http://www.genealoj.org
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Rachella GLATZER
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JELORRAINE
Dear Genners, I am here again with the same Glatzer problem.When I attended
the conference at the Marriott in New York I had the pleasant surprise of receiving some information. >from a Deborah Fosberg-Nelson. The info mentions two sisters named of Glatzer >from Buczacz Buchach who married into Fassberg and Schumer families. Reflecting on that I am wondering if anybody knows if one of the sisters was Rachella Glatzer.Thanks for any info, Jewel Glatzer Jelorraine@aol.com
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rachella GLATZER
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JELORRAINE
Dear Genners, I am here again with the same Glatzer problem.When I attended
the conference at the Marriott in New York I had the pleasant surprise of receiving some information. >from a Deborah Fosberg-Nelson. The info mentions two sisters named of Glatzer >from Buczacz Buchach who married into Fassberg and Schumer families. Reflecting on that I am wondering if anybody knows if one of the sisters was Rachella Glatzer.Thanks for any info, Jewel Glatzer Jelorraine@aol.com
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Re: The name Eugenie
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Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
Actually women in Europe often had only secular or Yiddish names. And
also, our ancestors had the annoying habit of using different names at different times. One of my great grandmothers was Johanna, another Regina; my grandmothers were Matilda and Gertrude. Eugenia (actually pronounced Ev-genia with the g pronounced like gun) is a popular Slavic name. I know a woman called Gen who is from Ukraine, and that is her full name. So I wouldn't say it is odd at all, Sally Bruckheimer
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The name Eugenie
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Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
Actually women in Europe often had only secular or Yiddish names. And
also, our ancestors had the annoying habit of using different names at different times. One of my great grandmothers was Johanna, another Regina; my grandmothers were Matilda and Gertrude. Eugenia (actually pronounced Ev-genia with the g pronounced like gun) is a popular Slavic name. I know a woman called Gen who is from Ukraine, and that is her full name. So I wouldn't say it is odd at all, Sally Bruckheimer
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Re: OTOLENGO from Colombia, Italy and Spain
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Enzo Falco
I received this message >from a cousin of mine:
My name is Andrew (Andrea) Marcello Ottolenghi and I live in Quito , Ecuador . I was born in Milan , Italy but my original family was >from Acqui, in Piemonte. According to my deceased father (Giorgio Bellom) the original family name was Otolengo and there was a Jose de Otolengo that set up a bank in Genova , Italy in 1492. My father also claimed that there was a town named Otolengo in la Mancha Spain . Obviously he must have been a Jew expelled >from Spain . Furthermore, my father claimed to have met, in the 1940's a man by name Otolengo in Ipiales , Colombia . Does anyone have any knowledge of OTOLENGO as a family name or a town in Spain? Enzo Falco Belmont, Massachusetts USA enzofalco@earthlink.net Researching ARTOM, AVIGDOR, BACHI, BASEVI, CANTARINI, DI CAPUA, CAVAGLIONE, COLOMBO, DEBENEDETTI, DELLO STROLOGO, DINA, DIPORTO, FALCO, FINZI, FOA, FUBINI, JACHIA, JONA, LASCAR, LATTES, LEVI, LOEWENTHAL, LOMBARDINI, LOMBROSO, MONSELISE, OLIVETTI, OTTOLENGHI, PAVIA, PICARD, PUGLIESE, SACERDOTE, SEGRE, TEDESCHI, TEGLIO, TREVES, VALABREGA, VITALE=
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Sephardic SIG #Sephardim Re: OTOLENGO from Colombia, Italy and Spain
#sephardic
Enzo Falco
I received this message >from a cousin of mine:
My name is Andrew (Andrea) Marcello Ottolenghi and I live in Quito , Ecuador . I was born in Milan , Italy but my original family was >from Acqui, in Piemonte. According to my deceased father (Giorgio Bellom) the original family name was Otolengo and there was a Jose de Otolengo that set up a bank in Genova , Italy in 1492. My father also claimed that there was a town named Otolengo in la Mancha Spain . Obviously he must have been a Jew expelled >from Spain . Furthermore, my father claimed to have met, in the 1940's a man by name Otolengo in Ipiales , Colombia . Does anyone have any knowledge of OTOLENGO as a family name or a town in Spain? Enzo Falco Belmont, Massachusetts USA enzofalco@earthlink.net Researching ARTOM, AVIGDOR, BACHI, BASEVI, CANTARINI, DI CAPUA, CAVAGLIONE, COLOMBO, DEBENEDETTI, DELLO STROLOGO, DINA, DIPORTO, FALCO, FINZI, FOA, FUBINI, JACHIA, JONA, LASCAR, LATTES, LEVI, LOEWENTHAL, LOMBARDINI, LOMBROSO, MONSELISE, OLIVETTI, OTTOLENGHI, PAVIA, PICARD, PUGLIESE, SACERDOTE, SEGRE, TEDESCHI, TEGLIO, TREVES, VALABREGA, VITALE=
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Cheshella=Chotonyci? or maybe Chorzele?
#general
Steven Bloom <sbloom@...>
The second town you mention is in Belarus, for sure. Baranovici is about 100km
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SW of Minsk, and about 100 km East of Bialystok. The first...it could be Chorzele, Poland. That is not very close, even to Bialystok, near the border. I have heard it pronounced something like "Herzella" or "Chorzella". Perhaps a better choice is Chotynici, about 50 km south of Baranovici. These are just suggestions. I do not know much about the towns themselves. Steve Bloom Central Virginia
My wife's grandmother has proved to be a big puzzle in regard to locating
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cheshella=Chotonyci? or maybe Chorzele?
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Steven Bloom <sbloom@...>
The second town you mention is in Belarus, for sure. Baranovici is about 100km
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SW of Minsk, and about 100 km East of Bialystok. The first...it could be Chorzele, Poland. That is not very close, even to Bialystok, near the border. I have heard it pronounced something like "Herzella" or "Chorzella". Perhaps a better choice is Chotynici, about 50 km south of Baranovici. These are just suggestions. I do not know much about the towns themselves. Steve Bloom Central Virginia
My wife's grandmother has proved to be a big puzzle in regard to locating
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Re: DROZ, SELSER and BOUCHER
#general
Joseph Laden
My mother's father's family name was first recorded as Druzz when they arrived
in the USA >from Taln'e, Russia (Ukraine). It had been something similar when written down in the Cyrillic script, that Roger Lustig so aptly pointed out was in use in Russia. They eventually decided as a group to change the name to Droz. There had been a large billboard in town that displayed a Swiss watch company named Droz and they liked that better. As Roger Lustig previously implied, folks felt free to alter or shorten last names as they saw fit. Our Droz family is very Jewish by Halacha. I once discovered that there were a lot of Drozes in Puerto Rico but I never found a family connection with them. Joseph Laden L.A.,Ca. researching Droz, Rosenfeld, Sorkin, Teplitsky >from Talne, Talnoye, Ekatarinaslav, and Smela
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: DROZ, SELSER and BOUCHER
#general
Joseph Laden
My mother's father's family name was first recorded as Druzz when they arrived
in the USA >from Taln'e, Russia (Ukraine). It had been something similar when written down in the Cyrillic script, that Roger Lustig so aptly pointed out was in use in Russia. They eventually decided as a group to change the name to Droz. There had been a large billboard in town that displayed a Swiss watch company named Droz and they liked that better. As Roger Lustig previously implied, folks felt free to alter or shorten last names as they saw fit. Our Droz family is very Jewish by Halacha. I once discovered that there were a lot of Drozes in Puerto Rico but I never found a family connection with them. Joseph Laden L.A.,Ca. researching Droz, Rosenfeld, Sorkin, Teplitsky >from Talne, Talnoye, Ekatarinaslav, and Smela
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Re: DROZ, SELSER and BOUCHER
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tom klein <bossman@...>
First, it is impossible to determine if a person is Jewish based solely on their
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name. For example, “William Cohen”, ex- American secretary of defence, is not Jewish, whereas “Geraldo Rivera”, technically, is (his mother is, and is father isn’t). I have met non-Jews with very Jewish names (like “Goldberg” and “Henrique’s”), and Jews with very non-Jewish names (like “Smith” and “Davis”). While very few Jews would take on the surname of “Hitler”, there were many with a given name of “Adolf” (it was a popular name). There really is no such thing as a “Jewish name”. Of the three names that you mention, I am not familiar with DROZ, although you can check in the JewishGen family finder, in case someone has registered family by that name. BOUCHER is a very common French surname, with no particular Jewish connections that I am aware of, but that doesn’t mean that a Jewish family couldn’t have that name - it might be a translation of some other name, as a way to “fit in” with a French milieu, etc. SELTZER and its spelling variants can be a Jewish name (I can think of some instances), although I don’t believe that it is exclusively so. This might be the most fruitful area for research. The only way to find out if you have Jewish roots is to research your family. There is an enormous amount of documentary material about births, marriages, and deaths, amongst which you can find your ancestors. Unfortunately, there aren’t any shortcuts. Good luck, ....... Tom Klein, Toronto
Subject: Droz, Selser and Boucher
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: DROZ, SELSER and BOUCHER
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tom klein <bossman@...>
First, it is impossible to determine if a person is Jewish based solely on their
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name. For example, “William Cohen”, ex- American secretary of defence, is not Jewish, whereas “Geraldo Rivera”, technically, is (his mother is, and is father isn’t). I have met non-Jews with very Jewish names (like “Goldberg” and “Henrique’s”), and Jews with very non-Jewish names (like “Smith” and “Davis”). While very few Jews would take on the surname of “Hitler”, there were many with a given name of “Adolf” (it was a popular name). There really is no such thing as a “Jewish name”. Of the three names that you mention, I am not familiar with DROZ, although you can check in the JewishGen family finder, in case someone has registered family by that name. BOUCHER is a very common French surname, with no particular Jewish connections that I am aware of, but that doesn’t mean that a Jewish family couldn’t have that name - it might be a translation of some other name, as a way to “fit in” with a French milieu, etc. SELTZER and its spelling variants can be a Jewish name (I can think of some instances), although I don’t believe that it is exclusively so. This might be the most fruitful area for research. The only way to find out if you have Jewish roots is to research your family. There is an enormous amount of documentary material about births, marriages, and deaths, amongst which you can find your ancestors. Unfortunately, there aren’t any shortcuts. Good luck, ....... Tom Klein, Toronto
Subject: Droz, Selser and Boucher
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MONTEFIORE
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Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
Dear Deborah,
For a lot of information about MONTEFIORE, There is an excellent book called Montefiore, The Hospital as Social Instrument by Dorothy Levenson, who was I believe the historian of the Hospital. The book was written in 1984 and Mrs. Levenson gave a program to the JGS Ny that year. The publisher was Farrar, Strauss & Giroux. The first inhabitants of Montefiore were very poor juvenile delinquents. My wife Harriet retired >from there several years ago. (which is why we bought the book.) Maybe you can find a used copy of the book. I would guess it is long out of print. It was printed for the centennial of the Hospital. Joe Fibel New Rochelle, NY
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MONTEFIORE
#general
Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
Dear Deborah,
For a lot of information about MONTEFIORE, There is an excellent book called Montefiore, The Hospital as Social Instrument by Dorothy Levenson, who was I believe the historian of the Hospital. The book was written in 1984 and Mrs. Levenson gave a program to the JGS Ny that year. The publisher was Farrar, Strauss & Giroux. The first inhabitants of Montefiore were very poor juvenile delinquents. My wife Harriet retired >from there several years ago. (which is why we bought the book.) Maybe you can find a used copy of the book. I would guess it is long out of print. It was printed for the centennial of the Hospital. Joe Fibel New Rochelle, NY
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