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Re: Okopy Swietej Trojcy #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Chalom Schirman wrote:

I am desperately looking for information about the Jewish community
of Okopy Swietej Trojcy where my paternal family lived (happily,
from what my father used to tell). He used to describe it as a real
"loch" (a hole, god forsaken little place) with extremely few Jewish
families. Also by the little he said, it would seem that this little
village was composed of a tri-ethnic population - Poles, Jews and
Ukrainians.
Actually this particular region was more complex ethnically. This was
the place where Austro-Hungarian Empire (Bukovina region) met Russian
Empire's Podolia and Bessarabia (Moldova), and the Kingdom of Romania.
Nearby Okopy, small village Kazoczowka was a custom office of A-H
Empire.

I have got all the birth, marriage and death records mentioning the
name of Okopy Swietej Trojcy >from JRI as well as pages of testimony
from Yad Vashem. (I have now about 280 individual entries in the
database I created.).
Since you have already done research through JRI-P database, you have
probably noticed that >from 281 entries listed for Okopy, Borszczow
district, close to 80% of all records are listed in Mielnica. This
logically was the town for the Jewish records of the all surrounding
area were located. Nearby Okopy two other larger Jewish communities
were Chotin (Khotin) and Zwaniec (Zhvanets).

Okopy (701 residents in 1921) is too small to conduct any meaningful
search for - you should concentrate on Mielnica (Melnitsa Podolskaya).

To answer your questions:

1. Yizkor information on Mielnica has been translated >from Pinkas
Hakehillot, Part II, and is located in Jewish Gen databse of
translations:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/pinkas_poland/pol2_00320.html

Nearby two other Jewish communities were Chotin (Khotin) and Zwaniec
(Zhvanets).

2. Okopy might have their own Jewish community in the past since
marriage records for years 1854-1876 are listed separately >from
Mielnica.

3. Records >from Mielnica have all survived till 1939 (some B and D
records till 1942) and they located in Polish archives. Check Miriam
Weiner book or site. Also Polish database "Pradziad" at:
http://tinyurl.com/2jp67d

3. Jewish cemetery in Mielnica is also listed in JG database
http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/e-europe/ukra-m.html

4. Other administration records for Okopy (eg land title) were
deposited in Mielnica and Czortkow, where district and the regional
courts were located.

Best,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab.


Re: Okopy Swietej Trojcy #galicia

Galicia Forever <vladis@...>
 

Hi!

Okopy sw Trojcy locate in actual Borshchiv district of Ternopil
region of Ukraine. That is why you should contact people >from
Borszczow area. You could try to write to the local town
administration.

Vladi Semenov

Rivka Schirman <capitetes@wanadoo.fr> wrote...

... I have searched the Web as thoroughly as it gets, and found
nothing about Okopy itself, except for a few lines here and there
(mainly reproduction of the few lines >from Wikipedia). There is
nothing, either, in any of the Jewish sites (genealogical and
others) about the specific community....


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Okopy Swietej Trojcy #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Chalom Schirman wrote:

I am desperately looking for information about the Jewish community
of Okopy Swietej Trojcy where my paternal family lived (happily,
from what my father used to tell). He used to describe it as a real
"loch" (a hole, god forsaken little place) with extremely few Jewish
families. Also by the little he said, it would seem that this little
village was composed of a tri-ethnic population - Poles, Jews and
Ukrainians.
Actually this particular region was more complex ethnically. This was
the place where Austro-Hungarian Empire (Bukovina region) met Russian
Empire's Podolia and Bessarabia (Moldova), and the Kingdom of Romania.
Nearby Okopy, small village Kazoczowka was a custom office of A-H
Empire.

I have got all the birth, marriage and death records mentioning the
name of Okopy Swietej Trojcy >from JRI as well as pages of testimony
from Yad Vashem. (I have now about 280 individual entries in the
database I created.).
Since you have already done research through JRI-P database, you have
probably noticed that >from 281 entries listed for Okopy, Borszczow
district, close to 80% of all records are listed in Mielnica. This
logically was the town for the Jewish records of the all surrounding
area were located. Nearby Okopy two other larger Jewish communities
were Chotin (Khotin) and Zwaniec (Zhvanets).

Okopy (701 residents in 1921) is too small to conduct any meaningful
search for - you should concentrate on Mielnica (Melnitsa Podolskaya).

To answer your questions:

1. Yizkor information on Mielnica has been translated >from Pinkas
Hakehillot, Part II, and is located in Jewish Gen databse of
translations:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/pinkas_poland/pol2_00320.html

Nearby two other Jewish communities were Chotin (Khotin) and Zwaniec
(Zhvanets).

2. Okopy might have their own Jewish community in the past since
marriage records for years 1854-1876 are listed separately >from
Mielnica.

3. Records >from Mielnica have all survived till 1939 (some B and D
records till 1942) and they located in Polish archives. Check Miriam
Weiner book or site. Also Polish database "Pradziad" at:
http://tinyurl.com/2jp67d

3. Jewish cemetery in Mielnica is also listed in JG database
http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/e-europe/ukra-m.html

4. Other administration records for Okopy (eg land title) were
deposited in Mielnica and Czortkow, where district and the regional
courts were located.

Best,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Okopy Swietej Trojcy #galicia

Galicia Forever <vladis@...>
 

Hi!

Okopy sw Trojcy locate in actual Borshchiv district of Ternopil
region of Ukraine. That is why you should contact people >from
Borszczow area. You could try to write to the local town
administration.

Vladi Semenov

Rivka Schirman <capitetes@wanadoo.fr> wrote...

... I have searched the Web as thoroughly as it gets, and found
nothing about Okopy itself, except for a few lines here and there
(mainly reproduction of the few lines >from Wikipedia). There is
nothing, either, in any of the Jewish sites (genealogical and
others) about the specific community....


Page of Testimony, name JAGODOWICZ #general

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

Several pages of testimony were submitted in 1955 by Sahava SHEFER (or other
spellings as Zeev SCHEFFER, or Zahava SCHEFFER) living in Tel Aviv at that date.

Does someone know still living relatives of Zahava SCHEFFER ?

Please respond privately.
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
http://www.convoi73.org
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Page of Testimony, name JAGODOWICZ #general

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

Several pages of testimony were submitted in 1955 by Sahava SHEFER (or other
spellings as Zeev SCHEFFER, or Zahava SCHEFFER) living in Tel Aviv at that date.

Does someone know still living relatives of Zahava SCHEFFER ?

Please respond privately.
--
Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
http://www.convoi73.org
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


Rachella GLATZER #general

JELORRAINE
 

Dear Genners, I am here again with the same Glatzer problem.When I attended
the
conference at the Marriott in New York I had the pleasant surprise of
receiving some information. >from a Deborah Fosberg-Nelson. The info mentions
two sisters named of Glatzer >from Buczacz Buchach who married into Fassberg
and Schumer families.

Reflecting on that I am wondering if anybody knows if one of the sisters was
Rachella Glatzer.Thanks for any info,

Jewel Glatzer
Jelorraine@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rachella GLATZER #general

JELORRAINE
 

Dear Genners, I am here again with the same Glatzer problem.When I attended
the
conference at the Marriott in New York I had the pleasant surprise of
receiving some information. >from a Deborah Fosberg-Nelson. The info mentions
two sisters named of Glatzer >from Buczacz Buchach who married into Fassberg
and Schumer families.

Reflecting on that I am wondering if anybody knows if one of the sisters was
Rachella Glatzer.Thanks for any info,

Jewel Glatzer
Jelorraine@aol.com


Re: The name Eugenie #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Actually women in Europe often had only secular or Yiddish names. And
also, our ancestors had the annoying habit of using different names at
different times. One of my great grandmothers was Johanna, another
Regina; my grandmothers were Matilda and Gertrude.

Eugenia (actually pronounced Ev-genia with the g pronounced like gun)
is a popular Slavic name. I know a woman called Gen who is from
Ukraine, and that is her full name.

So I wouldn't say it is odd at all,

Sally Bruckheimer


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The name Eugenie #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

Actually women in Europe often had only secular or Yiddish names. And
also, our ancestors had the annoying habit of using different names at
different times. One of my great grandmothers was Johanna, another
Regina; my grandmothers were Matilda and Gertrude.

Eugenia (actually pronounced Ev-genia with the g pronounced like gun)
is a popular Slavic name. I know a woman called Gen who is from
Ukraine, and that is her full name.

So I wouldn't say it is odd at all,

Sally Bruckheimer


Re: OTOLENGO from Colombia, Italy and Spain #sephardic

Enzo Falco
 

I received this message >from a cousin of mine:

My name is Andrew (Andrea) Marcello Ottolenghi and I live in
Quito , Ecuador . I was born in Milan , Italy but my original
family was >from Acqui, in Piemonte. According to my deceased father (Giorgio Bellom) the original
family name was Otolengo and there was a Jose de Otolengo that set
up a bank in Genova , Italy in 1492. My father also claimed that
there was a town named Otolengo in la Mancha Spain . Obviously he
must have been a Jew expelled >from Spain . Furthermore, my father
claimed to have met, in the 1940's a man by name Otolengo in Ipiales , Colombia .

Does anyone have any knowledge of OTOLENGO as a family name or a town in Spain?

Enzo Falco
Belmont, Massachusetts
USA
enzofalco@earthlink.net

Researching ARTOM, AVIGDOR, BACHI, BASEVI,
CANTARINI, DI CAPUA, CAVAGLIONE, COLOMBO, DEBENEDETTI, DELLO
STROLOGO, DINA, DIPORTO, FALCO, FINZI, FOA, FUBINI, JACHIA, JONA,
LASCAR, LATTES, LEVI, LOEWENTHAL, LOMBARDINI, LOMBROSO, MONSELISE,
OLIVETTI, OTTOLENGHI, PAVIA, PICARD, PUGLIESE, SACERDOTE, SEGRE,
TEDESCHI, TEGLIO, TREVES, VALABREGA, VITALE=


Sephardic SIG #Sephardim Re: OTOLENGO from Colombia, Italy and Spain #sephardic

Enzo Falco
 

I received this message >from a cousin of mine:

My name is Andrew (Andrea) Marcello Ottolenghi and I live in
Quito , Ecuador . I was born in Milan , Italy but my original
family was >from Acqui, in Piemonte. According to my deceased father (Giorgio Bellom) the original
family name was Otolengo and there was a Jose de Otolengo that set
up a bank in Genova , Italy in 1492. My father also claimed that
there was a town named Otolengo in la Mancha Spain . Obviously he
must have been a Jew expelled >from Spain . Furthermore, my father
claimed to have met, in the 1940's a man by name Otolengo in Ipiales , Colombia .

Does anyone have any knowledge of OTOLENGO as a family name or a town in Spain?

Enzo Falco
Belmont, Massachusetts
USA
enzofalco@earthlink.net

Researching ARTOM, AVIGDOR, BACHI, BASEVI,
CANTARINI, DI CAPUA, CAVAGLIONE, COLOMBO, DEBENEDETTI, DELLO
STROLOGO, DINA, DIPORTO, FALCO, FINZI, FOA, FUBINI, JACHIA, JONA,
LASCAR, LATTES, LEVI, LOEWENTHAL, LOMBARDINI, LOMBROSO, MONSELISE,
OLIVETTI, OTTOLENGHI, PAVIA, PICARD, PUGLIESE, SACERDOTE, SEGRE,
TEDESCHI, TEGLIO, TREVES, VALABREGA, VITALE=


Cheshella=Chotonyci? or maybe Chorzele? #general

Steven Bloom <sbloom@...>
 

The second town you mention is in Belarus, for sure. Baranovici is about 100km
SW of Minsk, and about 100 km East of Bialystok.

The first...it could be Chorzele, Poland. That is not very close, even to
Bialystok, near the border. I have heard it pronounced something like
"Herzella" or "Chorzella".

Perhaps a better choice is Chotynici, about 50 km south of Baranovici.

These are just suggestions. I do not know much about the towns themselves.

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia

My wife's grandmother has proved to be a big puzzle in regard to locating
the shtetl where she was born as well as finding a ship manifest showing her
arrival in the US. Here is some of the information I have:

[...] and place of birth as Cheshella, Poland. Family oral history indicates
that "Cheshella" was near Baranavichy, Baranowitschi, Baranowicze, Baranovichi,
Baranoviche .


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cheshella=Chotonyci? or maybe Chorzele? #general

Steven Bloom <sbloom@...>
 

The second town you mention is in Belarus, for sure. Baranovici is about 100km
SW of Minsk, and about 100 km East of Bialystok.

The first...it could be Chorzele, Poland. That is not very close, even to
Bialystok, near the border. I have heard it pronounced something like
"Herzella" or "Chorzella".

Perhaps a better choice is Chotynici, about 50 km south of Baranovici.

These are just suggestions. I do not know much about the towns themselves.

Steve Bloom
Central Virginia

My wife's grandmother has proved to be a big puzzle in regard to locating
the shtetl where she was born as well as finding a ship manifest showing her
arrival in the US. Here is some of the information I have:

[...] and place of birth as Cheshella, Poland. Family oral history indicates
that "Cheshella" was near Baranavichy, Baranowitschi, Baranowicze, Baranovichi,
Baranoviche .


Re: DROZ, SELSER and BOUCHER #general

Joseph Laden
 

My mother's father's family name was first recorded as Druzz when they arrived
in the USA >from Taln'e, Russia (Ukraine). It had been something similar when
written down in the Cyrillic script, that Roger Lustig so aptly pointed out was
in use in Russia. They eventually decided as a group to change the name to
Droz.

There had been a large billboard in town that displayed a Swiss watch company
named Droz and they liked that better. As Roger Lustig previously implied,
folks felt free to alter or shorten last names as they saw fit. Our Droz family
is very Jewish by Halacha. I once discovered that there were a lot of Drozes in
Puerto Rico but I never found a family connection with them.

Joseph Laden L.A.,Ca.
researching Droz, Rosenfeld, Sorkin, Teplitsky >from Talne, Talnoye,
Ekatarinaslav, and Smela


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: DROZ, SELSER and BOUCHER #general

Joseph Laden
 

My mother's father's family name was first recorded as Druzz when they arrived
in the USA >from Taln'e, Russia (Ukraine). It had been something similar when
written down in the Cyrillic script, that Roger Lustig so aptly pointed out was
in use in Russia. They eventually decided as a group to change the name to
Droz.

There had been a large billboard in town that displayed a Swiss watch company
named Droz and they liked that better. As Roger Lustig previously implied,
folks felt free to alter or shorten last names as they saw fit. Our Droz family
is very Jewish by Halacha. I once discovered that there were a lot of Drozes in
Puerto Rico but I never found a family connection with them.

Joseph Laden L.A.,Ca.
researching Droz, Rosenfeld, Sorkin, Teplitsky >from Talne, Talnoye,
Ekatarinaslav, and Smela


Re: DROZ, SELSER and BOUCHER #general

tom klein <bossman@...>
 

First, it is impossible to determine if a person is Jewish based solely on their
name. For example, “William Cohen”, ex- American secretary of defence, is not
Jewish, whereas “Geraldo Rivera”, technically, is (his mother is, and is father
isn’t). I have met non-Jews with very Jewish names (like “Goldberg” and
“Henrique’s”), and Jews with very non-Jewish names (like “Smith” and “Davis”).
While very few Jews would take on the surname of “Hitler”, there were many with
a given name of “Adolf” (it was a popular name). There really is no such thing
as a “Jewish name”.

Of the three names that you mention, I am not familiar with DROZ, although you
can check in the JewishGen family finder, in case someone has registered family
by that name. BOUCHER is a very common French surname, with no particular
Jewish connections that I am aware of, but that doesn’t mean that a Jewish
family couldn’t have that name - it might be a translation of some other name,
as a way to “fit in” with a French milieu, etc.

SELTZER and its spelling variants can be a Jewish name (I can think of some
instances), although I don’t believe that it is exclusively so. This might be
the most fruitful area for research.
The only way to find out if you have Jewish roots is to research your family.
There is an enormous amount of documentary material about births, marriages, and
deaths, amongst which you can find your ancestors. Unfortunately, there aren’t
any shortcuts.
Good luck,

....... Tom Klein, Toronto

Subject: Droz, Selser and Boucher
From: “Beverly Selser” <Navah312@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:37:38 -0800
X-Message-Number: 20

I would like to know if anyone knows whether “Droz”, “Boucher” and “Selser”
are Jewish. I have ancestors by all three names. I am trying to establish
whether or not I am Jewish.
Thanks for your help.

Beverly Selser


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: DROZ, SELSER and BOUCHER #general

tom klein <bossman@...>
 

First, it is impossible to determine if a person is Jewish based solely on their
name. For example, “William Cohen”, ex- American secretary of defence, is not
Jewish, whereas “Geraldo Rivera”, technically, is (his mother is, and is father
isn’t). I have met non-Jews with very Jewish names (like “Goldberg” and
“Henrique’s”), and Jews with very non-Jewish names (like “Smith” and “Davis”).
While very few Jews would take on the surname of “Hitler”, there were many with
a given name of “Adolf” (it was a popular name). There really is no such thing
as a “Jewish name”.

Of the three names that you mention, I am not familiar with DROZ, although you
can check in the JewishGen family finder, in case someone has registered family
by that name. BOUCHER is a very common French surname, with no particular
Jewish connections that I am aware of, but that doesn’t mean that a Jewish
family couldn’t have that name - it might be a translation of some other name,
as a way to “fit in” with a French milieu, etc.

SELTZER and its spelling variants can be a Jewish name (I can think of some
instances), although I don’t believe that it is exclusively so. This might be
the most fruitful area for research.
The only way to find out if you have Jewish roots is to research your family.
There is an enormous amount of documentary material about births, marriages, and
deaths, amongst which you can find your ancestors. Unfortunately, there aren’t
any shortcuts.
Good luck,

....... Tom Klein, Toronto

Subject: Droz, Selser and Boucher
From: “Beverly Selser” <Navah312@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:37:38 -0800
X-Message-Number: 20

I would like to know if anyone knows whether “Droz”, “Boucher” and “Selser”
are Jewish. I have ancestors by all three names. I am trying to establish
whether or not I am Jewish.
Thanks for your help.

Beverly Selser


MONTEFIORE #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Dear Deborah,

For a lot of information about MONTEFIORE, There is an excellent book
called Montefiore, The Hospital as Social Instrument by Dorothy Levenson,
who was I believe the historian of the Hospital. The book was written in
1984 and Mrs. Levenson gave a program to the JGS Ny that year. The
publisher was Farrar, Strauss & Giroux.

The first inhabitants of Montefiore were very poor juvenile delinquents.

My wife Harriet retired >from there several years ago. (which is why we
bought the book.)

Maybe you can find a used copy of the book. I would guess it is long out of
print. It was printed for the centennial of the Hospital.

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MONTEFIORE #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Dear Deborah,

For a lot of information about MONTEFIORE, There is an excellent book
called Montefiore, The Hospital as Social Instrument by Dorothy Levenson,
who was I believe the historian of the Hospital. The book was written in
1984 and Mrs. Levenson gave a program to the JGS Ny that year. The
publisher was Farrar, Strauss & Giroux.

The first inhabitants of Montefiore were very poor juvenile delinquents.

My wife Harriet retired >from there several years ago. (which is why we
bought the book.)

Maybe you can find a used copy of the book. I would guess it is long out of
print. It was printed for the centennial of the Hospital.

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY