Two weeks ago, Avotaynu invited subscribers to its e-zine, "Nu? What's
New?" to participate in a survey that asked 26 questions about their
participation in Jewish genealogy. More than 3,200 -- 47% of the 7,200
subscribers -- participated. Some stereotypes of a Jewish genealogist were
confirmed and others were not. Here are some observations based on the
results:

Most Jewish genealogists are relatively new to the hobby -- more than half
have been researching their family history for less than 10 years.

Jewish genealogists rely on the volunteer efforts of others -- 68.8% of the
respondents claim they do not volunteer for genealogy projects.

We are a computer-oriented, high-speed Internet-oriented group, but this
appears to be true of all genealogists.

Jewish genealogists are well educated -- 47.7% have advanced
(masters/doctorate) degrees.

Are we "little old ladies in tennis sneakers"? Unfortunately, an important
question was accidentally left out of the survey -- What is your gender
(male/female)? But the survey did ask age and, remarkably, the typical
Jewish genealogist is nearly seven years older (61.2 years) than the
non-Jewish genealogist (54.6).

You can view all the results of all 26 questions at
http://www.avotaynu.com/survey/survey.htm .

Gary Mokotoff

Two weeks ago, Avotaynu invited subscribers to its e-zine, "Nu? What's
New?" to participate in a survey that asked 26 questions about their
participation in Jewish genealogy. More than 3,200 -- 47% of the 7,200
subscribers -- participated. Some stereotypes of a Jewish genealogist were
confirmed and others were not. Here are some observations based on the
results:

Most Jewish genealogists are relatively new to the hobby -- more than half
have been researching their family history for less than 10 years.

Jewish genealogists rely on the volunteer efforts of others -- 68.8% of the
respondents claim they do not volunteer for genealogy projects.

We are a computer-oriented, high-speed Internet-oriented group, but this
appears to be true of all genealogists.

Jewish genealogists are well educated -- 47.7% have advanced
(masters/doctorate) degrees.

Are we "little old ladies in tennis sneakers"? Unfortunately, an important
question was accidentally left out of the survey -- What is your gender
(male/female)? But the survey did ask age and, remarkably, the typical
Jewish genealogist is nearly seven years older (61.2 years) than the
non-Jewish genealogist (54.6).

You can view all the results of all 26 questions at
http://www.avotaynu.com/survey/survey.htm .

Gary Mokotoff

Dear Genners,

I have posted to ViewMate a record of marriage in Crakow in 1827. If
you are able to translate this >from the Polish I would be
appreciative. I'm seeking great great grandparental roots. The image
of the document is at
(http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate) in the To View section - as file
- VM9106. Please reply privately. Thank you and Happy Channukah.

Burt Hecht

Seaching: EHRLICH (ERLICH) - Tuszyn

MODERATOR NOTE: The URL for the viewmate marriage record that Burt posted is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9106

Dear Genners,

I have posted to ViewMate a record of marriage in Crakow in 1827. If
you are able to translate this >from the Polish I would be
appreciative. I'm seeking great great grandparental roots. The image
of the document is at
(http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate) in the To View section - as file
- VM9106. Please reply privately. Thank you and Happy Channukah.

Burt Hecht

Seaching: EHRLICH (ERLICH) - Tuszyn

MODERATOR NOTE: The URL for the viewmate marriage record that Burt posted is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9106

I have posted 2 documents, both marriages of a GRUSHKUVITZ, in Radom,
Poland in 1871 & 1875.
I would appreciate it if someone could translate them >from Russian to
English.

Direct links to the documents:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9107
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9108

Please reply directly to me and not the group.

Thank you,
Bobby Furst

bobby1st@sprynet.com

I have posted 2 documents, both marriages of a GRUSHKUVITZ, in Radom,
Poland in 1871 & 1875.
I would appreciate it if someone could translate them >from Russian to
English.

Direct links to the documents:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9107
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9108

Please reply directly to me and not the group.

Thank you,
Bobby Furst

bobby1st@sprynet.com

Happy Chanukah, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to *all*.

Legibility may be a big problem. I am hoping people familiar with the
language(s) may be able to discern >from what is viewable

I have posted the images of 5 tombstones many of whom I believe to be
related to me on my maternal side.

One JewishGenner stated, because of the crescent and 5-pointed star (the
symbol on the Turkish flag) at the top of a prior photo (VM-8983), that
the script may not be Arabic script but Osmali (ancient Turkish).

Because of the diversity of places my relatives came from, there may be a
Turkish influence on some of these stones but not others.

They apparently did not all come >from the same region, though many were

from the Vilna and Ivye areas.

Many may be infants. The adults belonged to the Lithuanian Tartar Society
in Brooklyn New York, USA. These tombstones are >from 1900 - 1935, estimated,
Maple Grove Cemetery in Queens, New York, USA.

These individuals were Mohammedan (Moslem), and lived among Jewish people,
prior to coming to America. They were probably not very educated.
They came >from small towns in Eastern Europe.

They are not Arabs, but Eastern European - probably a combination of Polish,
Lithuanian, Belarusian, having come to America in the early 1900's.

VM 8982 - 8986 which are archived are viewable and could use translations also.

They are similar stones.

Please reply directly to me. Thank you all for any assistance, as I know these
stones are barely legible, if legible at all.

Edward Potereiko
edwardp@writeme.com
Colorado, USA

MODERATOR NOTE: The tombstone photos are posted at
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp

Happy Chanukah, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to *all*.

Legibility may be a big problem. I am hoping people familiar with the
language(s) may be able to discern >from what is viewable

I have posted the images of 5 tombstones many of whom I believe to be
related to me on my maternal side.

One JewishGenner stated, because of the crescent and 5-pointed star (the
symbol on the Turkish flag) at the top of a prior photo (VM-8983), that
the script may not be Arabic script but Osmali (ancient Turkish).

Because of the diversity of places my relatives came from, there may be a
Turkish influence on some of these stones but not others.

They apparently did not all come >from the same region, though many were

from the Vilna and Ivye areas.

Many may be infants. The adults belonged to the Lithuanian Tartar Society
in Brooklyn New York, USA. These tombstones are >from 1900 - 1935, estimated,
Maple Grove Cemetery in Queens, New York, USA.

These individuals were Mohammedan (Moslem), and lived among Jewish people,
prior to coming to America. They were probably not very educated.
They came >from small towns in Eastern Europe.

They are not Arabs, but Eastern European - probably a combination of Polish,
Lithuanian, Belarusian, having come to America in the early 1900's.

VM 8982 - 8986 which are archived are viewable and could use translations also.

They are similar stones.

Please reply directly to me. Thank you all for any assistance, as I know these
stones are barely legible, if legible at all.

Edward Potereiko
edwardp@writeme.com
Colorado, USA

MODERATOR NOTE: The tombstone photos are posted at
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp

This is a one-time mention of a new resource available for locating UK
outbound passenger lists. It is a for pay site with which I have no
financial or other connection.

Unfortunately, the for pay sites are a trend which is increasing in the
genealogy world and cannot be ignored. Unlike JewishGen which mainly
depends on volunteers and the Jewish-Generosity of their subscribers, other
entities established as commercial concerns have to hire researchers which
is a costly proposition.

Doing this enables an enormous amount of data to be processed quickly which
might not otherwise be done via the volunteer method or might take years to
do.

Ancestry.com has been among the very first to take advantage of this new
trend and their holdings have been rapidly increasing month by month. As a
result, they are becoming a standard research tool for Jewish genealogists.

The for pay sites allow the researcher access to many new resources
previously inaccessible and that is their draw.

This latest for pay site is:

ancestorsonboard.com

It is affiliated with findmypast.com and they have just announced that they
will have their first decade of the UK outbound passenger lists (1890-1899)
ready next year. In the meantime, you can check their test database.

I tried it out by plugging in the family name of LAPIDUS and received six
entries which gave the name, sex, year of departure, departure port,
destination country and destination port.

In order to see the image of the entry, it was necessary to purchase 10
units to view a transcript and 25 units for an image.

As a further example, I tried some other general Jewish names:

BALKIN which produced nineteen names, one of which was to South Africa, the
rest to America.

BLATT which produced six names, two going to South Africa, the others to
America.

CANTOR which produced seven names with destinations for South Africa,
America and India!!!

LEVER which produced twenty names many of which were headed for South
Africa.

SACHAR which produced one name going to America.

TOBIAS which produced twenty-five names going to South Africa, Canada and
America.

VAN DER HORST produced three names, two going to South Africa.

The last name I tried was COHEN which is the buggaboo and the hardest Jewish
name to find information for. There were innumerable listings which I did
not care to count. However, the amazing number of destinations that the
COHEN families went to will astround you. Some of which were America,
Argentina, Australia, Canada, Chile, Jamaica, New Zealand, Panama, and South
Africa.

The COHEN search proves the efficacy of utilizing such a database as it may
include destination ports which are not covered by other databases whether
free or paid. Or, it specifies specific ports within a country, such as in
South Africa or Canada, which may not be found in other existing databases
or at all.

Of course, the test database which is on-line has limitations as all of the
data has not been input yet. There were many family names which I did not
find that I knew to have sailed during the specified time period.

So, this is one database which you should keep track of in order to see what
new data they are inputing.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net

This is a one-time mention of a new resource available for locating UK
outbound passenger lists. It is a for pay site with which I have no
financial or other connection.

Unfortunately, the for pay sites are a trend which is increasing in the
genealogy world and cannot be ignored. Unlike JewishGen which mainly
depends on volunteers and the Jewish-Generosity of their subscribers, other
entities established as commercial concerns have to hire researchers which
is a costly proposition.

Doing this enables an enormous amount of data to be processed quickly which
might not otherwise be done via the volunteer method or might take years to
do.

Ancestry.com has been among the very first to take advantage of this new
trend and their holdings have been rapidly increasing month by month. As a
result, they are becoming a standard research tool for Jewish genealogists.

The for pay sites allow the researcher access to many new resources
previously inaccessible and that is their draw.

This latest for pay site is:

ancestorsonboard.com

It is affiliated with findmypast.com and they have just announced that they
will have their first decade of the UK outbound passenger lists (1890-1899)
ready next year. In the meantime, you can check their test database.

I tried it out by plugging in the family name of LAPIDUS and received six
entries which gave the name, sex, year of departure, departure port,
destination country and destination port.

In order to see the image of the entry, it was necessary to purchase 10
units to view a transcript and 25 units for an image.

As a further example, I tried some other general Jewish names:

BALKIN which produced nineteen names, one of which was to South Africa, the
rest to America.

BLATT which produced six names, two going to South Africa, the others to
America.

CANTOR which produced seven names with destinations for South Africa,
America and India!!!

LEVER which produced twenty names many of which were headed for South
Africa.

SACHAR which produced one name going to America.

TOBIAS which produced twenty-five names going to South Africa, Canada and
America.

VAN DER HORST produced three names, two going to South Africa.

The last name I tried was COHEN which is the buggaboo and the hardest Jewish
name to find information for. There were innumerable listings which I did
not care to count. However, the amazing number of destinations that the
COHEN families went to will astround you. Some of which were America,
Argentina, Australia, Canada, Chile, Jamaica, New Zealand, Panama, and South
Africa.

The COHEN search proves the efficacy of utilizing such a database as it may
include destination ports which are not covered by other databases whether
free or paid. Or, it specifies specific ports within a country, such as in
South Africa or Canada, which may not be found in other existing databases
or at all.

Of course, the test database which is on-line has limitations as all of the
data has not been input yet. There were many family names which I did not
find that I knew to have sailed during the specified time period.

So, this is one database which you should keep track of in order to see what
new data they are inputing.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net

"Laurence Harris" <laurence@lizlo.com> wrote in message

As many of you will be aware, UK census information is made publicly
available after 100 years. The next census to be released will be the
1911

For further information on how to apply see
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help/1911census/faq-foi.htm

This is as a result of a decision by the UK Information Commissioner in
response to a complaint under the UK Freedom of Information Act.

The webpage makes clear the following:

(i) you need to know the exact address (as suggested above) including the
house number or house name, street, town and county
(ii) only part of the entry for the address requested can be supplied - not
the whole entry
(iii) some sensitive information (eg on infirmity) will be restricted and
will be redacted in the copy supplied - the full information will be
available in 2012

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)
/FREDKIN (?)(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)

Her passenger list shows her name as
Sosja FAIN arriving in Aug 1912 in NYC >from Libau on
the Kursk (the same ship Rose took in 1913).

Sosja (Sosha) is an Eastern European variant of the name Soro (Sarah).

Perets Mett

London

"Laurence Harris" <laurence@lizlo.com> wrote in message

As many of you will be aware, UK census information is made publicly
available after 100 years. The next census to be released will be the
1911

For further information on how to apply see
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help/1911census/faq-foi.htm

This is as a result of a decision by the UK Information Commissioner in
response to a complaint under the UK Freedom of Information Act.

The webpage makes clear the following:

(i) you need to know the exact address (as suggested above) including the
house number or house name, street, town and county
(ii) only part of the entry for the address requested can be supplied - not
the whole entry
(iii) some sensitive information (eg on infirmity) will be restricted and
will be redacted in the copy supplied - the full information will be
available in 2012

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)
/FREDKIN (?)(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)

Her passenger list shows her name as
Sosja FAIN arriving in Aug 1912 in NYC >from Libau on
the Kursk (the same ship Rose took in 1913).

Sosja (Sosha) is an Eastern European variant of the name Soro (Sarah).

Perets Mett

London

Dear All,

I posted this query on Galicia SIG with limited results. So, I'm
trying again with this larger group. On ViewMate is a two page birth
record >from Lemberg/Lwow/Lviv, Galicia of Laura [HIRSCH], born in 1885.
I would be so very thankful for yet another Polish to English
translation.
Please respond to me privately at: gspiegel2@optonline.net


Direct ViewMate addresses:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9096

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9097

Thank you,
Gail Spiegel Billow, Florida, NY, USA

Researching in Galicia:
Trembowla: SPIEGEL, RINTEL; Chorostkow: BLECHER, SPIEGEL; Ulaszkowce: ALLWEIL;
Zbaraz: BIALAZURKER, GEIST; Buczacz: KLANG; Brzezany: SPIEGEL
Brody: RINTEL, KOLIN, LINDNER, ENGELHARDT
Lemberg/Lwow/Lviv: HIRSCH Welica/Wolica/Wieliczka: SPIEGEL
in former Russian Empire: Ilintsy/Linitz: PALTILOWITZ/POLTILOVITCH
Biala Podlaska, PL: BRODACZ; Augustow, PL: KAHAN

MODERATOR NOTE: You may find these document pages at
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp

Dear All,

I posted this query on Galicia SIG with limited results. So, I'm
trying again with this larger group. On ViewMate is a two page birth
record >from Lemberg/Lwow/Lviv, Galicia of Laura [HIRSCH], born in 1885.
I would be so very thankful for yet another Polish to English
translation.
Please respond to me privately at: gspiegel2@optonline.net


Direct ViewMate addresses:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9096

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9097

Thank you,
Gail Spiegel Billow, Florida, NY, USA

Researching in Galicia:
Trembowla: SPIEGEL, RINTEL; Chorostkow: BLECHER, SPIEGEL; Ulaszkowce: ALLWEIL;
Zbaraz: BIALAZURKER, GEIST; Buczacz: KLANG; Brzezany: SPIEGEL
Brody: RINTEL, KOLIN, LINDNER, ENGELHARDT
Lemberg/Lwow/Lviv: HIRSCH Welica/Wolica/Wieliczka: SPIEGEL
in former Russian Empire: Ilintsy/Linitz: PALTILOWITZ/POLTILOVITCH
Biala Podlaska, PL: BRODACZ; Augustow, PL: KAHAN

MODERATOR NOTE: You may find these document pages at
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp

My maternal grandfather, Meier Itzik OXENGORN, was born in Ostrog, Russia
(now Ostroh, Ukraine). He immigrated >from Kamennyy Brod, Ukraine, to NYC in
1904 and became Meyer Isaac OXENHORN. I have just received the 1885 NYC
death certificate for my husband's Hungarian ggf, Leopold ICZKOVITS, which
lists his father's name as Meier Isak. Since the two families were not
connected, I am wondering if the combination Meyer Isaac was commonly used
to name sons, or if the similarity was completely coincidental.

Sharon Block Korn
San Diego, CA

My maternal grandfather, Meier Itzik OXENGORN, was born in Ostrog, Russia
(now Ostroh, Ukraine). He immigrated >from Kamennyy Brod, Ukraine, to NYC in
1904 and became Meyer Isaac OXENHORN. I have just received the 1885 NYC
death certificate for my husband's Hungarian ggf, Leopold ICZKOVITS, which
lists his father's name as Meier Isak. Since the two families were not
connected, I am wondering if the combination Meyer Isaac was commonly used
to name sons, or if the similarity was completely coincidental.

Sharon Block Korn
San Diego, CA

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com> wrote:

It's my understanding (>from a converation with a German of that name
- I don't speak German) that the name means "Tanner". Specifically,
that it is derived >from "Lohgerber", where the "Gerber" part is "Tanner"
and the prefix refers to tanbark. And I have assumed that the surname
of that part of my tree indicates an ancestor who was a tanner.

==My [very comprehensive] German dictionary does not list Lohgerber. Lorbeer
is a Laurel. Gerber is a tanner (in the USA they sell baby food and
insurance).

==Lauer means "[on the] lookout"; Lauern means to loiter. Lohn means wages.
I would guess that a Lohngerber is a tanner who's paid wages, rather than a
tannery owner. Lohe translates as the noun, "tan," so it would be unlikely
doubled as Lohegerber, a name equivalent to Tan-Tan.

Michael Bernet, New York

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com> wrote:

It's my understanding (>from a converation with a German of that name
- I don't speak German) that the name means "Tanner". Specifically,
that it is derived >from "Lohgerber", where the "Gerber" part is "Tanner"
and the prefix refers to tanbark. And I have assumed that the surname
of that part of my tree indicates an ancestor who was a tanner.

==My [very comprehensive] German dictionary does not list Lohgerber. Lorbeer
is a Laurel. Gerber is a tanner (in the USA they sell baby food and
insurance).

==Lauer means "[on the] lookout"; Lauern means to loiter. Lohn means wages.
I would guess that a Lohngerber is a tanner who's paid wages, rather than a
tannery owner. Lohe translates as the noun, "tan," so it would be unlikely
doubled as Lohegerber, a name equivalent to Tan-Tan.

Michael Bernet, New York