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Re: The common name for Nesanajl #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

snip>>
More precisely, modern Israeli Hebrew has replaced the "th" sound
with "t". Yemenite pronunciation keeps it, I am told. The use of
"th" in English renderings of biblical names probably reflects the
actual pronunciation at some period of time.
I don't think so. The parallel letter in Arabic is also a simple "T". For
the "Th" to have got into European languages >from Hebrew, that would have
had to be the pronunciation in the Levant when Europeans started to
transliterate Biblical names/words >from Hebrew, e.g. when they became
Christians (which is not deep in antiquity. I suspect that the origin of the
"Th" lies in a failed effort to differentiate TAV >from TET (which should
indeed be differentiated, but not this way); Greek may well have tried to
assign its Theta to the TAV. Or the effort may have taken place later, in
Germany, which is presumably also the source of all the "J's" in
transliterated Hebrew, which by rights should be pronounced as "Y" rather
than as "Dzh -- unless you are also arguing that there was really a
Patriarch Dzha'aqov.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

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GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The common name for Nesanajl #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

snip>>
More precisely, modern Israeli Hebrew has replaced the "th" sound
with "t". Yemenite pronunciation keeps it, I am told. The use of
"th" in English renderings of biblical names probably reflects the
actual pronunciation at some period of time.
I don't think so. The parallel letter in Arabic is also a simple "T". For
the "Th" to have got into European languages >from Hebrew, that would have
had to be the pronunciation in the Levant when Europeans started to
transliterate Biblical names/words >from Hebrew, e.g. when they became
Christians (which is not deep in antiquity. I suspect that the origin of the
"Th" lies in a failed effort to differentiate TAV >from TET (which should
indeed be differentiated, but not this way); Greek may well have tried to
assign its Theta to the TAV. Or the effort may have taken place later, in
Germany, which is presumably also the source of all the "J's" in
transliterated Hebrew, which by rights should be pronounced as "Y" rather
than as "Dzh -- unless you are also arguing that there was really a
Patriarch Dzha'aqov.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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Tracing the COBURN family #general

Martyn Drake <martyn@...>
 

Hello,

I'm trying to trace the Jewish side of my mother's family and trying
to find out how far back the matrilineal rule for being considered
Jewish goes back (for example, would it be considered one or two
generations, or would it go much further back than that).

A bit of background. Although not raised as Jewish (in fact, I was
baptised in the Anglican church and my father is not religious,
although I believe his family did come >from a Christian background),
it turns out that my mother was Jewish, as was my grandmother and my
great-grandmother before her. As far as I am aware (and have been
told), >from my great-grandmother on my mother's side onwards is when
they married outside the faith.

Although neither my grandmother or mother grew up or practice the
Jewish faith (and it's taken 30 years for me to discover this - it was
never discussed!), I am nonetheless curious about the Jewish roots of
the family.

My mother's married name was Noble (Jean Kathleen, born 19th Janurary
1939). My grandmother's maiden name was Coburn (Kathleen Coburn, born
11th May 1915, although I have not managed to find any record of her
birth - this was what was recorded on her death certificated). I
cannot find any records relating to my great-grandmother and her
family - although the majority of the family appears to have lived in
and around London .

I've not been able to find much information in the JewishGen UK
databases, and since my mother and grandparents have long since gone
I'm not able to question them - although I am trying to get in touch
with my uncle to see what he knows about this. Is there any good
places that I might be able to look to see if I can go further back
than my grandmother?

Many thanks,

Martyn


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tracing the COBURN family #general

Martyn Drake <martyn@...>
 

Hello,

I'm trying to trace the Jewish side of my mother's family and trying
to find out how far back the matrilineal rule for being considered
Jewish goes back (for example, would it be considered one or two
generations, or would it go much further back than that).

A bit of background. Although not raised as Jewish (in fact, I was
baptised in the Anglican church and my father is not religious,
although I believe his family did come >from a Christian background),
it turns out that my mother was Jewish, as was my grandmother and my
great-grandmother before her. As far as I am aware (and have been
told), >from my great-grandmother on my mother's side onwards is when
they married outside the faith.

Although neither my grandmother or mother grew up or practice the
Jewish faith (and it's taken 30 years for me to discover this - it was
never discussed!), I am nonetheless curious about the Jewish roots of
the family.

My mother's married name was Noble (Jean Kathleen, born 19th Janurary
1939). My grandmother's maiden name was Coburn (Kathleen Coburn, born
11th May 1915, although I have not managed to find any record of her
birth - this was what was recorded on her death certificated). I
cannot find any records relating to my great-grandmother and her
family - although the majority of the family appears to have lived in
and around London .

I've not been able to find much information in the JewishGen UK
databases, and since my mother and grandparents have long since gone
I'm not able to question them - although I am trying to get in touch
with my uncle to see what he knows about this. Is there any good
places that I might be able to look to see if I can go further back
than my grandmother?

Many thanks,

Martyn


Re: Zaslav #belarus

Alexander Sharon
 

"L A" wrote
I ask about Zaslav, knights of Zaslav because My
grandparents are buried in Everett, MA. The area that
they are buried in says knights of Zaslav. I don't
know who had the relationship to zaslav my GGF or GGM.
They lived together in Kishinev. However GGF had a
son living in Shargorod (?sp)Which I believe is sw of
Kiev. I found Zaslav in Belarus, but not sure what
the relationship would have been to my GGparents.
Maybe after I visit Nara in the next few eeks I'll
find out!
Hi,

Zaslaw (Zaslav), you are referring to, is known currently as Izyaslaw at
5007 2648 in Podolia region in Ukraine. Known Jewish towns such as
Shepetivka, and Belogorodka, are located within 13 miles distance. Shargorod
is located a bit further but still in the same genearl Podolia region
vicinity.

I am not familiar with the particular Knights of Zaslav fraternity of MA,
but in NY county there is lsiting for another landmashaftn association >from
Zaslaw, known as First Saslawer (Zaslawer) Benevolent Association (est
1896).
YIVO database also lists Zaslaver Relief Committee (Boston)

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab., Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Zaslav #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"L A" wrote
I ask about Zaslav, knights of Zaslav because My
grandparents are buried in Everett, MA. The area that
they are buried in says knights of Zaslav. I don't
know who had the relationship to zaslav my GGF or GGM.
They lived together in Kishinev. However GGF had a
son living in Shargorod (?sp)Which I believe is sw of
Kiev. I found Zaslav in Belarus, but not sure what
the relationship would have been to my GGparents.
Maybe after I visit Nara in the next few eeks I'll
find out!
Hi,

Zaslaw (Zaslav), you are referring to, is known currently as Izyaslaw at
5007 2648 in Podolia region in Ukraine. Known Jewish towns such as
Shepetivka, and Belogorodka, are located within 13 miles distance. Shargorod
is located a bit further but still in the same genearl Podolia region
vicinity.

I am not familiar with the particular Knights of Zaslav fraternity of MA,
but in NY county there is lsiting for another landmashaftn association >from
Zaslaw, known as First Saslawer (Zaslawer) Benevolent Association (est
1896).
YIVO database also lists Zaslaver Relief Committee (Boston)

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab., Canada


Researcging: KUNIN - Russia > Montreal #general

Gary Kass <gman425@...>
 

Is there anyone out there who can help me with this problem? I know of a
Canadian entertainer(who is very talented)named Elan KUNIN. Elan's family
emmigrated >from Russia to Montreal(I don't know which year or what part of
Russia they came from). His great-grandfather was named Morris and was in
real estate. His grandfather was named Jack. Jack had two sisters,Libby
and Anne. Elan believes his great-grandmother's maiden name was Posen. He
knows there are relatives in New York City. He is also aware of an aunt
and uncle named Sarah and Abraham,respectively.
As it turns out,my grandmother's maiden name was also Kunin. She was born
Tsivia in 1893 or 1894. She came to the United States just over 95 years
ago,on December 4,1911. My grandmother was born in Minsk,in the Vitebsk
Gubernia. Her American name was Celia. She married my grandfather on May
24,1913. My grandmother's father was Lewis Kunin and her mother was Muska
Abramis. Both parents were born in 1865 in Vitebsk and died in 1906 in
Vitebsk as well. I am aware of at least two brothers of my grandmother,but
I don't know their names.
Does anybody know if my grandmother's brother might have been one of
Elan's relatives? I don't think Kunin is that common a name. My
grandparents did settle in Brooklyn after emmigrating >from Russia. Any
help that is provided is greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much.
Gary Kass
Staten Island,New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researcging: KUNIN - Russia > Montreal #general

Gary Kass <gman425@...>
 

Is there anyone out there who can help me with this problem? I know of a
Canadian entertainer(who is very talented)named Elan KUNIN. Elan's family
emmigrated >from Russia to Montreal(I don't know which year or what part of
Russia they came from). His great-grandfather was named Morris and was in
real estate. His grandfather was named Jack. Jack had two sisters,Libby
and Anne. Elan believes his great-grandmother's maiden name was Posen. He
knows there are relatives in New York City. He is also aware of an aunt
and uncle named Sarah and Abraham,respectively.
As it turns out,my grandmother's maiden name was also Kunin. She was born
Tsivia in 1893 or 1894. She came to the United States just over 95 years
ago,on December 4,1911. My grandmother was born in Minsk,in the Vitebsk
Gubernia. Her American name was Celia. She married my grandfather on May
24,1913. My grandmother's father was Lewis Kunin and her mother was Muska
Abramis. Both parents were born in 1865 in Vitebsk and died in 1906 in
Vitebsk as well. I am aware of at least two brothers of my grandmother,but
I don't know their names.
Does anybody know if my grandmother's brother might have been one of
Elan's relatives? I don't think Kunin is that common a name. My
grandparents did settle in Brooklyn after emmigrating >from Russia. Any
help that is provided is greatly appreciated.
Thank you very much.
Gary Kass
Staten Island,New York


Descendants of the MaHaRaL of Prague #dna

Henry (home) <hmsinai@...>
 

I am researching the SINAI family name and have initiated a DNA
project. Please contact me privately if you believe that you are
descended on a direct male line >from the MaHaRal of Prague (R. Judah
Loew ben Bezalel) or one of his male siblings (especially, R. Sinai
ben Bezalel).

Henry Sinai
Raanana, Israel

Researching: Personal Name of "Sinai"
Family names: SINAI (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, etc.); PARNES- Lemberg
(Lvov), Brody, Berlin; GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin; MOSZKOWSKI- Opole
Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland; SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie, Rzeszow;
Poland; SCHMITZ - Slovakia, Austria/Hungary; WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland;
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna


DNA Research #DNA Descendants of the MaHaRaL of Prague #dna

Henry (home) <hmsinai@...>
 

I am researching the SINAI family name and have initiated a DNA
project. Please contact me privately if you believe that you are
descended on a direct male line >from the MaHaRal of Prague (R. Judah
Loew ben Bezalel) or one of his male siblings (especially, R. Sinai
ben Bezalel).

Henry Sinai
Raanana, Israel

Researching: Personal Name of "Sinai"
Family names: SINAI (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, etc.); PARNES- Lemberg
(Lvov), Brody, Berlin; GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin; MOSZKOWSKI- Opole
Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland; SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie, Rzeszow;
Poland; SCHMITZ - Slovakia, Austria/Hungary; WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland;
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna


Descendants of the MaHaRaL of Prague #rabbinic

Henry (home) <hmsinai@...>
 

I am researching the SINAI family name. Please contact me privately
if you believe that you are descended on a direct male line >from the
MaHaRal of Prague (R. Judah Loew ben Bezalel) or one of his male
siblings (especially, R. Sinai ben Bezalel).

Henry Sinai
Raanana, Israel

Researching: Personal Name of "Sinai"
Family names: SINAI (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, etc.); PARNES- Lemberg
(Lvov), Brody, Berlin; GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin; MOSZKOWSKI- Opole
Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland; SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie, Rzeszow;
Poland; SCHMITZ - Slovakia, Austria/Hungary; WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland;
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Descendants of the MaHaRaL of Prague #rabbinic

Henry (home) <hmsinai@...>
 

I am researching the SINAI family name. Please contact me privately
if you believe that you are descended on a direct male line >from the
MaHaRal of Prague (R. Judah Loew ben Bezalel) or one of his male
siblings (especially, R. Sinai ben Bezalel).

Henry Sinai
Raanana, Israel

Researching: Personal Name of "Sinai"
Family names: SINAI (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, etc.); PARNES- Lemberg
(Lvov), Brody, Berlin; GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin; MOSZKOWSKI- Opole
Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland; SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie, Rzeszow;
Poland; SCHMITZ - Slovakia, Austria/Hungary; WOLARSKY -Mlawa; Poland;
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna


Searching OLINGER #scandinavia

Barbara Olinger
 

I am new to the Scandinavian SIG and am searching the surname OLINGER,
or perhaps OLIENGER or OLINGIER. My husband's great-grandfather,
Abraham OLINGER and maybe his wife Rakhel and/or Sophie, were said to
have come >from Sweden and moved to Galicia (Skala area). I estimate
that they left Sweden sometime >from around 1850 to around 1875.

I'm also searching for Abraham's great-grandson, Alexander OLINGER,
son of Emil OLINGER (d. 1999, in Warsaw). We were told that Alexander
OLINGER was born around 1947 and lives in or around Lund, Sweden. I'd
like to contact him to see what information he has about his
ancestors.

Can anyone help me find Alexander OLINGER, and does any one have any
information about Jewish OLINGERs in Sweden?

Thank you.
Barbara OLINGER
Glencoe, Illinois, USA

also searching: KULI, ROSENBERG, MAGER, SEEMAN, ROZMANN, MANDEL,
PARNES (all in Galicia); BRANTMAN, SPECTOR (Lithuania)


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Searching OLINGER #scandinavia

Barbara Olinger
 

I am new to the Scandinavian SIG and am searching the surname OLINGER,
or perhaps OLIENGER or OLINGIER. My husband's great-grandfather,
Abraham OLINGER and maybe his wife Rakhel and/or Sophie, were said to
have come >from Sweden and moved to Galicia (Skala area). I estimate
that they left Sweden sometime >from around 1850 to around 1875.

I'm also searching for Abraham's great-grandson, Alexander OLINGER,
son of Emil OLINGER (d. 1999, in Warsaw). We were told that Alexander
OLINGER was born around 1947 and lives in or around Lund, Sweden. I'd
like to contact him to see what information he has about his
ancestors.

Can anyone help me find Alexander OLINGER, and does any one have any
information about Jewish OLINGERs in Sweden?

Thank you.
Barbara OLINGER
Glencoe, Illinois, USA

also searching: KULI, ROSENBERG, MAGER, SEEMAN, ROZMANN, MANDEL,
PARNES (all in Galicia); BRANTMAN, SPECTOR (Lithuania)


Chag Sameaj Chanukah #ukraine

Ana <ananuta@...>
 

Dear Genners:
I wish you, your family and all jewish people in the
world a healthy, happy Chanukah with peace.

Ana R.Nuta
ananuta@ciudad.com.ar
ananuta@yahoo.com
Buenos Aires
Argentina

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Chag Sameaj Chanukah #ukraine

Ana <ananuta@...>
 

Dear Genners:
I wish you, your family and all jewish people in the
world a healthy, happy Chanukah with peace.

Ana R.Nuta
ananuta@ciudad.com.ar
ananuta@yahoo.com
Buenos Aires
Argentina

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This goes for all of us, too! This is not the start of a thread.


Re: Origin of PINCHERLE of Italy #general

Jules Levin
 

How/why does a writer chose their special nom de plume? That is a question
I pondered on when I discovered today that the real name of Alberto Moravia,
the Italian novelist and writer, was actually PINCHERLE.
snip>>>>>>>>>

You may add to the puzzle the Italian Jewish writer Italo Svevo >from Trieste.
His real name was Schmidt. Trieste, part of Austria, seems
to have been an entry point into Italy for Ashkenazi
Jews.
Jules Levin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Origin of PINCHERLE of Italy #general

Jules Levin
 

How/why does a writer chose their special nom de plume? That is a question
I pondered on when I discovered today that the real name of Alberto Moravia,
the Italian novelist and writer, was actually PINCHERLE.
snip>>>>>>>>>

You may add to the puzzle the Italian Jewish writer Italo Svevo >from Trieste.
His real name was Schmidt. Trieste, part of Austria, seems
to have been an entry point into Italy for Ashkenazi
Jews.
Jules Levin


Re: Searching KUJAWSKI family Shoah survivors #general

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

This name seems rather common.I don't know if the following
information may help you. There were 5 KUJAWSKI deported >from France
during WWII. There is a POT on the site of Yad Vashem for one of them
and for his sister, but I couldn't find the name of his sister among
the Jews deported >from France. There are currently about 20 KUJAWSKI
in the French directory, and according to the index of French
naturalisations, 19 KUJAWSKI asked for the French nationality between
1900 and 1950.

Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching KUJAWSKI family Shoah survivors #general

Eve Line Blum <eve.line.blum@...>
 

This name seems rather common.I don't know if the following
information may help you. There were 5 KUJAWSKI deported >from France
during WWII. There is a POT on the site of Yad Vashem for one of them
and for his sister, but I couldn't find the name of his sister among
the Jews deported >from France. There are currently about 20 KUJAWSKI
in the French directory, and according to the index of French
naturalisations, 19 KUJAWSKI asked for the French nationality between
1900 and 1950.

Eve Line Blum-Cherchevsky
Besancon (France)
and also
Cercle de Genealogie Juive (International JGS in Paris)
http://www.genealoj.org