Date   

Destruction of Kossov Poleski #general

Paul & Irene Berman <ikpjb@...>
 

Does anyone know the date, either the Hebrew date or that on the general
calendar, of the destruction of the town of Kossovo Poleski - in the Slonim
District - by the Nazis?
Irene Berman
Shoham, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Destruction of Kossov Poleski #general

Paul & Irene Berman <ikpjb@...>
 

Does anyone know the date, either the Hebrew date or that on the general
calendar, of the destruction of the town of Kossovo Poleski - in the Slonim
District - by the Nazis?
Irene Berman
Shoham, Israel


SCHLESINGER - book publishers, Vienna and Budapest #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Following the recent question about Max GRUNWALD's Beruria, I wrote about the
SCHLESINGER book publishers founded in 1848. They were situated at No 5
Seitenstettengasse, Vienna as well as in Budapest. No 5 Seitenstettengasse
happens to be the house where my grandfather was born on 25 August 1862, so I
have a particular interest in this house [opposite the IKG, Vienna].

I ended with the mournful note that the publisher ceased to exist after the
anchluss. But now, to my delight, I find I am wrong and it is still trading
albeit under a different name - Sinai books

http://www.sinaibooks.com/english.htm

This site is still under construction. The owners are still called SCHLESINGER.

I would like to thank our Sigger Naomi Eisenberger Atlani [Toronto] for this
lead. Naomi wrote to me and has given me permission to quote: Dear Celia, I can
tell you a little of the Budapest branch of the SCHLESINGER family as my
grandfather, Dr. Sigmund ALT was their attorney and my grandmother, Hedvig, and
Mrs. Dora SCHLESINGER were best friends. Adolf SCHLESINGER and his two sons,
Karoly and Pista ran the business which was founded in 1848. Since decades, the
business, under the name SINAI PUBLISHING, is located at 72 Allenby Rd, Tel
Aviv and is now operated by Adolf's grandchildren.

So, another mystery has been solved, thanks to our wonderful SIG network.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech SCHLESINGER - book publishers, Vienna and Budapest #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Following the recent question about Max GRUNWALD's Beruria, I wrote about the
SCHLESINGER book publishers founded in 1848. They were situated at No 5
Seitenstettengasse, Vienna as well as in Budapest. No 5 Seitenstettengasse
happens to be the house where my grandfather was born on 25 August 1862, so I
have a particular interest in this house [opposite the IKG, Vienna].

I ended with the mournful note that the publisher ceased to exist after the
anchluss. But now, to my delight, I find I am wrong and it is still trading
albeit under a different name - Sinai books

http://www.sinaibooks.com/english.htm

This site is still under construction. The owners are still called SCHLESINGER.

I would like to thank our Sigger Naomi Eisenberger Atlani [Toronto] for this
lead. Naomi wrote to me and has given me permission to quote: Dear Celia, I can
tell you a little of the Budapest branch of the SCHLESINGER family as my
grandfather, Dr. Sigmund ALT was their attorney and my grandmother, Hedvig, and
Mrs. Dora SCHLESINGER were best friends. Adolf SCHLESINGER and his two sons,
Karoly and Pista ran the business which was founded in 1848. Since decades, the
business, under the name SINAI PUBLISHING, is located at 72 Allenby Rd, Tel
Aviv and is now operated by Adolf's grandchildren.

So, another mystery has been solved, thanks to our wonderful SIG network.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Re: Tombsone question #hungary

Katz, Itzik <Itzik.Katz@...>
 

This may happen if at the time of death the father's name-or the
father's Hebrew name-of the deceased person was not known to the family.
There are several examples of this situation especially if the people
moved to a new town where no one new their past. I even have seen
tombstones with no father's name whatsoever.

Isaac Katz
Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: Kormans [mailto:korman3@...]=20
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 12:30 AM
To: H-SIG
Subject: [h-sig] Tombsone question

I have two tombstones, a husband and wife who died in the early 20th
century=20
in Esztergom. What surprised me is that the Hebrew names are Chaim son
of=20
Raisal, and Beila daughter of Hannah. No mention of the father's names,
only=20
the mother's names.

Usually the father's names, and not the mother's names, are on the=20
tombstones. Is there something that I am missing? I know who the parents
of=20
both persons were.

Any thoughts?

Debbi Korman
Portland, Oregon


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Tombsone question #hungary

Katz, Itzik <Itzik.Katz@...>
 

This may happen if at the time of death the father's name-or the
father's Hebrew name-of the deceased person was not known to the family.
There are several examples of this situation especially if the people
moved to a new town where no one new their past. I even have seen
tombstones with no father's name whatsoever.

Isaac Katz
Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: Kormans [mailto:korman3@...]=20
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 12:30 AM
To: H-SIG
Subject: [h-sig] Tombsone question

I have two tombstones, a husband and wife who died in the early 20th
century=20
in Esztergom. What surprised me is that the Hebrew names are Chaim son
of=20
Raisal, and Beila daughter of Hannah. No mention of the father's names,
only=20
the mother's names.

Usually the father's names, and not the mother's names, are on the=20
tombstones. Is there something that I am missing? I know who the parents
of=20
both persons were.

Any thoughts?

Debbi Korman
Portland, Oregon


Re: Geographical Question #general

Alexander Sharon
 

On the Austrian map circa 1889 locate town Lvov and click on this quadrant,
or scroll down and click on coordinates 42-50 (Lemberg-Lviv). When quadrant
map opens, enlarge it scroll to Bobrka, located approx. at 4158E 4930N of
Ferro coordinates of this map. Lanki Male identified on the map as Lanki
Ml., are located across Bobrka on the right bank of Bialy Potok River
(Boberka).

It appears that town Bobrka has incorporated Lanki Male as its suburb.

Regards,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor
So sorry,

I forgot to add URL for the Austrian map, listed in my previous message.

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm

Best,

Alexander


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Geographical Question #general

Alexander Sharon
 

On the Austrian map circa 1889 locate town Lvov and click on this quadrant,
or scroll down and click on coordinates 42-50 (Lemberg-Lviv). When quadrant
map opens, enlarge it scroll to Bobrka, located approx. at 4158E 4930N of
Ferro coordinates of this map. Lanki Male identified on the map as Lanki
Ml., are located across Bobrka on the right bank of Bialy Potok River
(Boberka).

It appears that town Bobrka has incorporated Lanki Male as its suburb.

Regards,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor
So sorry,

I forgot to add URL for the Austrian map, listed in my previous message.

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm

Best,

Alexander


introduction #germany

Tracie Rose <dust1@...>
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group.I have been doing genealogy research for about 8
years, I have never used message boards and because of this I may not
completely understand acronyms and the like that are generally used.
I consider myself to be very novice in doing German Jewish Genealogy
research.
I live in Drayton Valley, Alberta, Canada. My native language is English.
I consider myself well versed in using a computer.My experience in using
the Internet is extensive.
I have identified the names and birth and death dates of 4 of my
grandparents, 3 of my great grandparents, 8 of my great great =
grandparents,and only partial information on the other 8 great great grandparents.
My primary research goals now are to find out: The origin of my grandfather.

The towns that I am currently researching are: Rzesz, Bremen, Baden,

The names that I am currently researching are: BANKZ, BIEHLER,
BANK/ZOWSKI. There may also be a possible family connection with: GOLDSTEIN

BANKZ Jamel, Jacob(Jamel's father), Elizabeth (Elsie)(Jamel's mother) I
am not sure where they came >from ;only that the information I have says =
they came over by ship around 1918. here are some census records that indicate a few with the
surname BANKZ were born in Bremen, Germany and a few in Austria.
The coal mines in Nordegg, Alberta was their destination. Nordegg
proved to be a coal mine established in 1911 by a Martin Cohen; he was a
German Jew. Today the town stands as a ghost town and historical site. I am
currently working on the history and records of that town. The only other
information I have on this side of the family is that they are related to
BIEHLER.
If naming traditions are followed in the BANKZ family the names of his
children should provide clues as to relatives, at least that is what I =
am hoping for. Here are possible other names I could be looking for: first and middle names of Jamel's 12 children:
Jamel, Jacob, Sarah, Miriam, Elvin, Myrtle, Ernest, Evelyn, Mae, Aimie,
Germaine, Irma, Kathleen, Robert, David, Raymond, Earle, Ethel, Florence,
Chester, Shirley, Anne, Irene & Elmer.
My great grandfather Jamel Elvin BANKZ listed his racial origin as German on
his marriage registration.I know very little about him as he seemed very
intent on disassociating himself >from who he was. He used various versions
of his first and middle names >from 1935 on; by 1943 he had started using the
last name BIEHLER. The children, my grandfather included, were all separated
in 1947 as a result of the untimely passing of their mother. Their father
placed them in various homes, most of which do not exist anymore and others
like the "Sisters Home of Atonement". which is still around but no longer
functions as an orphanage. blessed me with the ability to actually speak with
a nun who was there when the children were. The two eldest boys, my grandfather
and his younger brother Elvin, left together to be on their own. Several were
raised by the nuns and the two youngest were adopted out. I
have since managed to find them all. Most have passed away, but now
I have relationships with their children.
One of my aunts had been doing research on the BANKZ family for the last 31 years
before her death and I was privileged to be able to use her information and compile
it with mine.
If I gave the impression (in a previous post)that I was after instant results I apologize,
As you can see. the 31 years spent by my aunt compiled with the years I have
spent looking, my plea was more out of desperation.(I am) only hoping for a lead not a miracle,
although a miracle would be nice as I am sure many of you would agree.
My research has mainly consisted of travel and hands on, going to
Archive centers and the like. My journeys have led me here and although I
have done various types of research, I have no experience with German or
Polish research.
To those who were so kind as to correspond with me before I realized I
needed to do proper posts ~ THANK YOU! Even in ignorance we learn =
something hey?
My warmest thanks to all of you who have already been so helpful.

Tracie Rose MacPherson
Drayton Valley, Alberta, Canada


German SIG #Germany introduction #germany

Tracie Rose <dust1@...>
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group.I have been doing genealogy research for about 8
years, I have never used message boards and because of this I may not
completely understand acronyms and the like that are generally used.
I consider myself to be very novice in doing German Jewish Genealogy
research.
I live in Drayton Valley, Alberta, Canada. My native language is English.
I consider myself well versed in using a computer.My experience in using
the Internet is extensive.
I have identified the names and birth and death dates of 4 of my
grandparents, 3 of my great grandparents, 8 of my great great =
grandparents,and only partial information on the other 8 great great grandparents.
My primary research goals now are to find out: The origin of my grandfather.

The towns that I am currently researching are: Rzesz, Bremen, Baden,

The names that I am currently researching are: BANKZ, BIEHLER,
BANK/ZOWSKI. There may also be a possible family connection with: GOLDSTEIN

BANKZ Jamel, Jacob(Jamel's father), Elizabeth (Elsie)(Jamel's mother) I
am not sure where they came >from ;only that the information I have says =
they came over by ship around 1918. here are some census records that indicate a few with the
surname BANKZ were born in Bremen, Germany and a few in Austria.
The coal mines in Nordegg, Alberta was their destination. Nordegg
proved to be a coal mine established in 1911 by a Martin Cohen; he was a
German Jew. Today the town stands as a ghost town and historical site. I am
currently working on the history and records of that town. The only other
information I have on this side of the family is that they are related to
BIEHLER.
If naming traditions are followed in the BANKZ family the names of his
children should provide clues as to relatives, at least that is what I =
am hoping for. Here are possible other names I could be looking for: first and middle names of Jamel's 12 children:
Jamel, Jacob, Sarah, Miriam, Elvin, Myrtle, Ernest, Evelyn, Mae, Aimie,
Germaine, Irma, Kathleen, Robert, David, Raymond, Earle, Ethel, Florence,
Chester, Shirley, Anne, Irene & Elmer.
My great grandfather Jamel Elvin BANKZ listed his racial origin as German on
his marriage registration.I know very little about him as he seemed very
intent on disassociating himself >from who he was. He used various versions
of his first and middle names >from 1935 on; by 1943 he had started using the
last name BIEHLER. The children, my grandfather included, were all separated
in 1947 as a result of the untimely passing of their mother. Their father
placed them in various homes, most of which do not exist anymore and others
like the "Sisters Home of Atonement". which is still around but no longer
functions as an orphanage. blessed me with the ability to actually speak with
a nun who was there when the children were. The two eldest boys, my grandfather
and his younger brother Elvin, left together to be on their own. Several were
raised by the nuns and the two youngest were adopted out. I
have since managed to find them all. Most have passed away, but now
I have relationships with their children.
One of my aunts had been doing research on the BANKZ family for the last 31 years
before her death and I was privileged to be able to use her information and compile
it with mine.
If I gave the impression (in a previous post)that I was after instant results I apologize,
As you can see. the 31 years spent by my aunt compiled with the years I have
spent looking, my plea was more out of desperation.(I am) only hoping for a lead not a miracle,
although a miracle would be nice as I am sure many of you would agree.
My research has mainly consisted of travel and hands on, going to
Archive centers and the like. My journeys have led me here and although I
have done various types of research, I have no experience with German or
Polish research.
To those who were so kind as to correspond with me before I realized I
needed to do proper posts ~ THANK YOU! Even in ignorance we learn =
something hey?
My warmest thanks to all of you who have already been so helpful.

Tracie Rose MacPherson
Drayton Valley, Alberta, Canada


Independent First Pilover Society #general

Glenda Rogers <gar929@...>
 

My grandparents are buried in the "Independent First Pilover Society" area
of Baron Hirsh Cemetery, Staten Island, NY.
I cannot not find any info about this "Society". I have checked
all the sources that I could find and found nothing. Has anyone
ever heard of this society or have any information about it?
I would appreciate any help.

Thanks in advance.

Glenda Rogers
Researching the following families:
Phillips (Morris); Yellen (Hinda Leah/Annie);
Polonetsky (Shmuel/Samuel)

----- Original Message -----

I am seeking anyone that my have been a member of the Parnes Family
Association based in Brooklyn, NY. The president at various time was
Henry Hochman and his brother Jack Hochman. Is there anything familiar
about this to anyone?

Steven B. Taylor


SEIDMAN Family Relatives #general

Bernis@...
 

Searching for relatives of the Seidman Family of Chicago Illinois. In
particular the family of Harry and Samuel Seidman. Family lived in Whitewater,
Wisconsin in 1910-1920.

Bernis Kretchmar
Los Altos California
Bernis@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Independent First Pilover Society #general

Glenda Rogers <gar929@...>
 

My grandparents are buried in the "Independent First Pilover Society" area
of Baron Hirsh Cemetery, Staten Island, NY.
I cannot not find any info about this "Society". I have checked
all the sources that I could find and found nothing. Has anyone
ever heard of this society or have any information about it?
I would appreciate any help.

Thanks in advance.

Glenda Rogers
Researching the following families:
Phillips (Morris); Yellen (Hinda Leah/Annie);
Polonetsky (Shmuel/Samuel)

----- Original Message -----

I am seeking anyone that my have been a member of the Parnes Family
Association based in Brooklyn, NY. The president at various time was
Henry Hochman and his brother Jack Hochman. Is there anything familiar
about this to anyone?

Steven B. Taylor


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SEIDMAN Family Relatives #general

Bernis@...
 

Searching for relatives of the Seidman Family of Chicago Illinois. In
particular the family of Harry and Samuel Seidman. Family lived in Whitewater,
Wisconsin in 1910-1920.

Bernis Kretchmar
Los Altos California
Bernis@...


Re: Limited notations on Detroit border crossing cards #general

Ted Gostin
 

Bob Roudman recently posted a question regarding an index card >from the
Detroit border crossings (National Archives publication M-1748) that he
recently found online. He indicated that the only information on the card
was the name, date of arrival and a notation at the bottom reading "524
#129222."

The name and date weren't given in Bob's message, but this sounds a lot like
the Certificate of Registry (CR) index cards that were added to other ports'
arrival indexes after 1929. If this arrival was after 1929, it is possible
that the index card may be for a Certificate of Registry, with the notation
524 instead of CR. The Registry program was begun in 1929 for people who
appeared to have entered the country legally, but for whom no entry on the
passenger manifests could be located. This sometimes happened because of
name changes and name variations on the lists. Since the 1906 law, these
individuals could not complete the naturalization process because a
Certificate of Arrival was required, and if no manifest entry could be
found, the Certificate of Arrival could not be issued and the person could
not be naturalized. The 1929 Registry program was sort of an "amnesty"
program, allowing a Certificate of Registry to be issued instead of a
Certificate of Arrival. The Certificate of Registry gave the information
about the arrival provided by the immigrant, even though this information
could not be verified on the manifests. An index card with this limited
information was then added to that ports' index. The ones for New York
usually list a name, arrival date and ship with the notation "CR# XXXXXXX,"
with the number of the Certificate of Registry. It sounds like this entry
in the Detroit border crossings index may be a variation of that practice.

Marian Smith, the historian of the USCIS, might be able to shed some more
light on this.

Ted Gostin
Los Angeles, CA
tedgostin@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Limited notations on Detroit border crossing cards #general

Ted Gostin
 

Bob Roudman recently posted a question regarding an index card >from the
Detroit border crossings (National Archives publication M-1748) that he
recently found online. He indicated that the only information on the card
was the name, date of arrival and a notation at the bottom reading "524
#129222."

The name and date weren't given in Bob's message, but this sounds a lot like
the Certificate of Registry (CR) index cards that were added to other ports'
arrival indexes after 1929. If this arrival was after 1929, it is possible
that the index card may be for a Certificate of Registry, with the notation
524 instead of CR. The Registry program was begun in 1929 for people who
appeared to have entered the country legally, but for whom no entry on the
passenger manifests could be located. This sometimes happened because of
name changes and name variations on the lists. Since the 1906 law, these
individuals could not complete the naturalization process because a
Certificate of Arrival was required, and if no manifest entry could be
found, the Certificate of Arrival could not be issued and the person could
not be naturalized. The 1929 Registry program was sort of an "amnesty"
program, allowing a Certificate of Registry to be issued instead of a
Certificate of Arrival. The Certificate of Registry gave the information
about the arrival provided by the immigrant, even though this information
could not be verified on the manifests. An index card with this limited
information was then added to that ports' index. The ones for New York
usually list a name, arrival date and ship with the notation "CR# XXXXXXX,"
with the number of the Certificate of Registry. It sounds like this entry
in the Detroit border crossings index may be a variation of that practice.

Marian Smith, the historian of the USCIS, might be able to shed some more
light on this.

Ted Gostin
Los Angeles, CA
tedgostin@...


Re: Detroit Crossings and Passenger and Crew List #general

Gladys Paulin <paulin@...>
 

This database is NARA microfilm publication M1478 and these are manifest
cards, not an index. (LDS has copies). This is one of the few 'M'
publications for which there is NO Descriptive Pamphlet (DP), only a listing
of the alpha contents of each roll. The title says they were entries which
does not say they were all alien immigrants

My experience with this publication is that those who only have a name may
have been individuals who were residents of Canada or the United States and
were probably citizens of their country of residence and that this was
merely for a short visit. They were most likely not new immigrants. I have
seen Detroit cards in this publication fully completed for those who were
immigrants and those do indicate a port of arrival, date and ship name.

This is my PERSONAL experience after several years of using this publication.
It has not been verified by any government entity or publication.

To my knowledge, these entries do not appear in the St. Albans lists, but if
your relative was an immigrant who entered through Canada, you should check
the St. Albans lists for another entry date. I have relatives with multiple
entries, because relatives lived. And still live, on both sides of the
border; they crossed the border regularly (and still do) for Bar Mitzvahs,
weddings, funerals and unveilings.

Gladys

Gladys Friedman Paulin, CG
Winter Springs, FL
http://genealogybygladys.com

Subject: "Detroit Crossings and Passenger and Crew List" M-1478 Manifest Cards
From: "robert roudman" <rcroudman@...>
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:22:11 -0800
up a relative in the set of films called "Detroit Crossings and Passenger
and Crew List", film M-1478, but the manifest card gave no more than his
name and date. As I do not believe this was an index card I am wondering if
the St. Albans Manifests (M1464) might contain the manifest information?
Could it be that they let him into the country by just putting his name on
the manifest card, and never really filled out the remainder of the card.
The only information on the card was his name, the date and at the bottom of
the card under ship and port of entry it shows a number, "524 #129222"
Thank you,
Bob Roudman
San Rafael


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Detroit Crossings and Passenger and Crew List #general

Gladys Paulin <paulin@...>
 

This database is NARA microfilm publication M1478 and these are manifest
cards, not an index. (LDS has copies). This is one of the few 'M'
publications for which there is NO Descriptive Pamphlet (DP), only a listing
of the alpha contents of each roll. The title says they were entries which
does not say they were all alien immigrants

My experience with this publication is that those who only have a name may
have been individuals who were residents of Canada or the United States and
were probably citizens of their country of residence and that this was
merely for a short visit. They were most likely not new immigrants. I have
seen Detroit cards in this publication fully completed for those who were
immigrants and those do indicate a port of arrival, date and ship name.

This is my PERSONAL experience after several years of using this publication.
It has not been verified by any government entity or publication.

To my knowledge, these entries do not appear in the St. Albans lists, but if
your relative was an immigrant who entered through Canada, you should check
the St. Albans lists for another entry date. I have relatives with multiple
entries, because relatives lived. And still live, on both sides of the
border; they crossed the border regularly (and still do) for Bar Mitzvahs,
weddings, funerals and unveilings.

Gladys

Gladys Friedman Paulin, CG
Winter Springs, FL
http://genealogybygladys.com

Subject: "Detroit Crossings and Passenger and Crew List" M-1478 Manifest Cards
From: "robert roudman" <rcroudman@...>
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:22:11 -0800
up a relative in the set of films called "Detroit Crossings and Passenger
and Crew List", film M-1478, but the manifest card gave no more than his
name and date. As I do not believe this was an index card I am wondering if
the St. Albans Manifests (M1464) might contain the manifest information?
Could it be that they let him into the country by just putting his name on
the manifest card, and never really filled out the remainder of the card.
The only information on the card was his name, the date and at the bottom of
the card under ship and port of entry it shows a number, "524 #129222"
Thank you,
Bob Roudman
San Rafael


Correction: MOSS and ESCH{E}WEGE families of Hohenems, Voralberg and Hanau, Hessen #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I mispelt VORARLBERG in my posting I just sent in.

Voralberg in the subject line and in line 4 of the text should read VORARLBERG.

Celia Male


Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter #general

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

If anyone has a Plus Subscription to Eastman's newsletter, please contact me
privately. I would like to get information on an article in today's edition
regarding converting PDF files to Word Documents.

Thank you,
Eden Joachim
Pomona, NY
esjoachim@...