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Re: Fanny POCRAS #unitedkingdom

Angie Elfassi
 

Mark - have you tried: Mental asylums (sorry, dont know the modern name for it), S. African records, Australia.......
My instinct tells me that if he has "disappeared off the face of the earth" then maybe she was mentally ill
- embarassing and all that. It has been known to happen, unfortunately, that girls at the adolescent age/puberty,
become ill. Good luck!
Angie
Israel

My great-aunt Fanny POCRAS, was born, one of twins, in London in 1895.(Actually, the family name was more
typically spelt POKRASSE, but on Fanny's birth certificate it is POCRAS)."


Missing family Schillimore #unitedkingdom

Louise Arruda <larruda@...>
 

Lube Schillimore and her 6 children ( Dise, Hersch, Schifoe, Hayde, Moses
and Jankel) are listed as having Hebrew ethnicity on the passenger list to
Ellis Island in 1906. They traveled >from Liverpool, England but were from
Palova, Russia. They were en route to Baltimore where husband and father,
Michael Schillimore resided. He had paid for their passage.
Aside >from the passenger list of the Oceanic, Nov 28, 1906 to Ellis Island,
there is no previous or subsequent record of this family.
There was also a Fanny Shillemore who arrived in Ellis Island in March 1904.
I have also uncovered an Edward H who composed a war time song and was
buried in California as a US soldier.( No record of any wife or children)
However, I have been unsuccessful in finding any Schillemores or their
descendents in the USA( No spelling variations either).
Were names changed???? How could 6 children simply disappear? Could all have
died?
If anyone has any suggestions as to how I should proceed, please help.

Many thanks

Louise Schillemore- Arruda


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom re: Fanny POCRAS #unitedkingdom

Angie Elfassi
 

Mark - have you tried: Mental asylums (sorry, dont know the modern name for it), S. African records, Australia.......
My instinct tells me that if he has "disappeared off the face of the earth" then maybe she was mentally ill
- embarassing and all that. It has been known to happen, unfortunately, that girls at the adolescent age/puberty,
become ill. Good luck!
Angie
Israel

My great-aunt Fanny POCRAS, was born, one of twins, in London in 1895.(Actually, the family name was more
typically spelt POKRASSE, but on Fanny's birth certificate it is POCRAS)."


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Missing family Schillimore #unitedkingdom

Louise Arruda <larruda@...>
 

Lube Schillimore and her 6 children ( Dise, Hersch, Schifoe, Hayde, Moses
and Jankel) are listed as having Hebrew ethnicity on the passenger list to
Ellis Island in 1906. They traveled >from Liverpool, England but were from
Palova, Russia. They were en route to Baltimore where husband and father,
Michael Schillimore resided. He had paid for their passage.
Aside >from the passenger list of the Oceanic, Nov 28, 1906 to Ellis Island,
there is no previous or subsequent record of this family.
There was also a Fanny Shillemore who arrived in Ellis Island in March 1904.
I have also uncovered an Edward H who composed a war time song and was
buried in California as a US soldier.( No record of any wife or children)
However, I have been unsuccessful in finding any Schillemores or their
descendents in the USA( No spelling variations either).
Were names changed???? How could 6 children simply disappear? Could all have
died?
If anyone has any suggestions as to how I should proceed, please help.

Many thanks

Louise Schillemore- Arruda


Re: missing manifest pages #general

Jan Groshan <jangro@...>
 

I had the same situation with the Misc. Atlantic Ports. It took about a year
for Ancestry.com to finally get both sides of the manifest online, but they
finally did. Have you tried the missing manifests at the stevemorse.org
website?

"JEF BARNETT" <JBarnett@...> wrote

I was researching a passenger on the ship, Pilsudski, arriving NY on
11/29/1938 and according to Ancestry.com they showed the name of the
friend he was to visit/stay with. Unfortunately, the actual manifest on
Ancestry.com was only the right side of the book and not the page that
showed where they got the friend's name.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: missing manifest pages #general

Jan Groshan <jangro@...>
 

I had the same situation with the Misc. Atlantic Ports. It took about a year
for Ancestry.com to finally get both sides of the manifest online, but they
finally did. Have you tried the missing manifests at the stevemorse.org
website?

"JEF BARNETT" <JBarnett@...> wrote

I was researching a passenger on the ship, Pilsudski, arriving NY on
11/29/1938 and according to Ancestry.com they showed the name of the
friend he was to visit/stay with. Unfortunately, the actual manifest on
Ancestry.com was only the right side of the book and not the page that
showed where they got the friend's name.


Elena DUBIANSKAYA - thanks #general

David Kravitz
 

My thanks to all those who answered my appeal for information about Elena
Dubianskaya and, in particular, to Edward Markov who spoke to Elena and
passed on to me both her home and cell phone numbers.

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Elena DUBIANSKAYA - thanks #general

David Kravitz
 

My thanks to all those who answered my appeal for information about Elena
Dubianskaya and, in particular, to Edward Markov who spoke to Elena and
passed on to me both her home and cell phone numbers.

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel


Re: Finding Those Russian Towns #general

malkajef <malkajef@...>
 

Dear Alexander

Thank you for your very helpful comments. I did not include the surnames
and arrival dates because I did not expect anyone to go to the trouble of
actually examning the records.

They are (I'm working on a new son in law's BALTIMORE family):
-Phillip SCHEININ: Starloup >from WWI registration. (Cannot find ship
manifest, still working on naturalization)
-Abraham DIMOFF, Kisherov >from interviews. (Cannot find ship manifest, still
working on naturalization)
-David Tevia RUDO: Redejiska, Minsk guberniya, Russia, >from WWI
registration. (Cannot find ship manifest, still working on naturalization).

Jeff Malka

----- Original Message -----
Personally, I prefer to revisit Ellis Island database to review scanned
manifests. Unfortunately, Jeff did not provide surnames of his ancestors,
and this make search a bit more challenging.

It would be nice if Jeff and other Genners searching for their shtetls
names, will indicate researched by tem surnames and their arrival year(s).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Finding Those Russian Towns #general

malkajef <malkajef@...>
 

Dear Alexander

Thank you for your very helpful comments. I did not include the surnames
and arrival dates because I did not expect anyone to go to the trouble of
actually examning the records.

They are (I'm working on a new son in law's BALTIMORE family):
-Phillip SCHEININ: Starloup >from WWI registration. (Cannot find ship
manifest, still working on naturalization)
-Abraham DIMOFF, Kisherov >from interviews. (Cannot find ship manifest, still
working on naturalization)
-David Tevia RUDO: Redejiska, Minsk guberniya, Russia, >from WWI
registration. (Cannot find ship manifest, still working on naturalization).

Jeff Malka

----- Original Message -----
Personally, I prefer to revisit Ellis Island database to review scanned
manifests. Unfortunately, Jeff did not provide surnames of his ancestors,
and this make search a bit more challenging.

It would be nice if Jeff and other Genners searching for their shtetls
names, will indicate researched by tem surnames and their arrival year(s).


Researching Beila ERLICHMAN from Kovena #general

Annette Stolberg <annettes@...>
 

I am researching Beila ERLICHMAN >from Kovena, pronounced Kovna. She
was married to Louis Fox. Their children were Morris and Feige
Fox. Beila's brother was Mordechai Ben Meier Harav
Erlichman. Feige's name in English is Fanny. I have recently found
the names of 25 cousins, first once removed and second, all
descendants of Beila Fox. Does anyone know anything about Erlichmans
from Kovena?
Annette Stolberg
Rochester, NY
annettes@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researching Beila ERLICHMAN from Kovena #general

Annette Stolberg <annettes@...>
 

I am researching Beila ERLICHMAN >from Kovena, pronounced Kovna. She
was married to Louis Fox. Their children were Morris and Feige
Fox. Beila's brother was Mordechai Ben Meier Harav
Erlichman. Feige's name in English is Fanny. I have recently found
the names of 25 cousins, first once removed and second, all
descendants of Beila Fox. Does anyone know anything about Erlichmans
from Kovena?
Annette Stolberg
Rochester, NY
annettes@...


Re: Elena DUBIANSKAYA {and other refuseniks} #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

David Kravitz of Netanya, Israel wrote: <In the early 1980's I visited the
Refuseniks in Moscow and Leningrad (St Petersburg). My special contact in
Moscow was Elena DUBIANSKAYA. After the collapse of the USSR, Elena and her
family were allowed to leave. Her daughter was a very promising tennis player
and her husband's name was Eric. They probably went to Israel but may not have
stayed.

Can anyone supply me with contact details of Elena? Please respond privately
unless your reply contains details of a general nature of help to other
genners.>

I have carried out some very selective googling and found a reference to Yelena
[sic] and other refuseniks. I am sure this interesting article, with links to
other interviews will help David and others to reconnect, that is why I have
replied to the list:

http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/soviet_jews_exodus/English/Interview_s/InterviewVerman.shtml


or alternatively try: http://tinyurl.com/ya8hwc

Yelena's husband was apparently called Eric HASSIN

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Elena DUBIANSKAYA {and other refuseniks} #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

David Kravitz of Netanya, Israel wrote: <In the early 1980's I visited the
Refuseniks in Moscow and Leningrad (St Petersburg). My special contact in
Moscow was Elena DUBIANSKAYA. After the collapse of the USSR, Elena and her
family were allowed to leave. Her daughter was a very promising tennis player
and her husband's name was Eric. They probably went to Israel but may not have
stayed.

Can anyone supply me with contact details of Elena? Please respond privately
unless your reply contains details of a general nature of help to other
genners.>

I have carried out some very selective googling and found a reference to Yelena
[sic] and other refuseniks. I am sure this interesting article, with links to
other interviews will help David and others to reconnect, that is why I have
replied to the list:

http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/soviet_jews_exodus/English/Interview_s/InterviewVerman.shtml


or alternatively try: http://tinyurl.com/ya8hwc

Yelena's husband was apparently called Eric HASSIN

Celia Male [U.K.]


SILBERMAN, KOSHINSKI of Tzfat, Uman, Kishinev #general

Yaron Pedhazur
 

Dear Genners,

My ggggrandfather was Refael SILBERMAN, ABD Tzfat
(1839-1918). After many years of research, his roots
are still hard to trace:

- Refael was born in Uman, and so was his father
Mordechai. They moved to Tzfat in 1850. However,
according to family tradition the family lived in
Tzfat >from the times of the ARI, moved to Uman for few
dozens of years and came back to Tzfat. Nothing else
in known on Refael and Mordechai ancestors.

- Refael was married to Henya, daughter of Chaim
Baruch of Kishinev. it is a fact. However, in Tveria
census of 1855 we find him (or someone with the same
name) as son-in-law of R' Yom Tov Shu"v. Was he
married twice (Henya as 2nd marriage)?

- Mordechai was married to Ruchama, daughter of R'
Abraham Leib, Rav of Uman. we know nothing about him
or his family. A new detail is that Mordechai
mother-in-law came to Tzfat with the family, Yocheved,
and died in Tzfat.

- Another detail coming >from Tzfat census in 1855 and
1866: Mordechai has a wife called Treine or Shreine.
We think she is a 2nd wife. nothing is known about
her.

- Refael SILBERMAN was married to Henya, daughter of
Chaim Baruch of Kishinev (born in Kishinev c. 1805,
came to Tzfat c. 1860, still alive in 1875) Chaim
Baruch's wife, Leah, was daughter of R' Rlazar
KOSHINSKI. Elazar was a descendant of R' Gedalya of
Linitz, of the Chassidut very early generations. He
(Elazar) was also father-in-law of R' Menachem Nachum
Friedman of Shtefenesht (son of R' Israel of Rizin),
and of the Bender Rebbe. Nothing else is known on the
roots of Chaim Baruch or on Elazar Koshinski.

Any info on the above, or ideas on how to further
investigate, would be appreciated!

Please reply also directly to: yarpd@...

Thank you,
Yaron Pedhazur
Tel-Aviv, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SILBERMAN, KOSHINSKI of Tzfat, Uman, Kishinev #general

Yaron Pedhazur
 

Dear Genners,

My ggggrandfather was Refael SILBERMAN, ABD Tzfat
(1839-1918). After many years of research, his roots
are still hard to trace:

- Refael was born in Uman, and so was his father
Mordechai. They moved to Tzfat in 1850. However,
according to family tradition the family lived in
Tzfat >from the times of the ARI, moved to Uman for few
dozens of years and came back to Tzfat. Nothing else
in known on Refael and Mordechai ancestors.

- Refael was married to Henya, daughter of Chaim
Baruch of Kishinev. it is a fact. However, in Tveria
census of 1855 we find him (or someone with the same
name) as son-in-law of R' Yom Tov Shu"v. Was he
married twice (Henya as 2nd marriage)?

- Mordechai was married to Ruchama, daughter of R'
Abraham Leib, Rav of Uman. we know nothing about him
or his family. A new detail is that Mordechai
mother-in-law came to Tzfat with the family, Yocheved,
and died in Tzfat.

- Another detail coming >from Tzfat census in 1855 and
1866: Mordechai has a wife called Treine or Shreine.
We think she is a 2nd wife. nothing is known about
her.

- Refael SILBERMAN was married to Henya, daughter of
Chaim Baruch of Kishinev (born in Kishinev c. 1805,
came to Tzfat c. 1860, still alive in 1875) Chaim
Baruch's wife, Leah, was daughter of R' Rlazar
KOSHINSKI. Elazar was a descendant of R' Gedalya of
Linitz, of the Chassidut very early generations. He
(Elazar) was also father-in-law of R' Menachem Nachum
Friedman of Shtefenesht (son of R' Israel of Rizin),
and of the Bender Rebbe. Nothing else is known on the
roots of Chaim Baruch or on Elazar Koshinski.

Any info on the above, or ideas on how to further
investigate, would be appreciated!

Please reply also directly to: yarpd@...

Thank you,
Yaron Pedhazur
Tel-Aviv, Israel


Subject: Hungarian Jewish Archives #hungary

Jordan Auslander <jausland@...>
 

They will tell you everything has been filmed by the Mormons and/or is at
the Hungarian National Archives..

Jordan Auslander


Hungary SIG #Hungary Subject: Hungarian Jewish Archives #hungary

Jordan Auslander <jausland@...>
 

They will tell you everything has been filmed by the Mormons and/or is at
the Hungarian National Archives..

Jordan Auslander


great read: "The Lost" by Daniel Mendelsohn #general

philafrum
 

10/26/06

Genners,

I just finished reading a fantastic non-fiction work which speaks directly
to us as genealogists. Daniel Mendelsohn's "The Lost: A Search for Six of
Six Million" is riveting and compelling. Mendelsohn is a writer who has
wondered about six of his relatives who perished during the Shoah ever since
he was a young boy. His book describes his search over five to six years to
identify more concretely what happened to those relatives.

He relates all his successes, failures, misses, and brick walls during his
travels through several countries and continents. He often mentions Jewish
Gen and his Ukraine guide, Alexander Dunai. We can all identify with his
search and his highs and lows.

I have no financial interest in this book. I just wanted to make the Jewish
Gen community aware of this compelling book.

Evan Fishman
ebf2001@...
New Jersey, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen great read: "The Lost" by Daniel Mendelsohn #general

philafrum
 

10/26/06

Genners,

I just finished reading a fantastic non-fiction work which speaks directly
to us as genealogists. Daniel Mendelsohn's "The Lost: A Search for Six of
Six Million" is riveting and compelling. Mendelsohn is a writer who has
wondered about six of his relatives who perished during the Shoah ever since
he was a young boy. His book describes his search over five to six years to
identify more concretely what happened to those relatives.

He relates all his successes, failures, misses, and brick walls during his
travels through several countries and continents. He often mentions Jewish
Gen and his Ukraine guide, Alexander Dunai. We can all identify with his
search and his highs and lows.

I have no financial interest in this book. I just wanted to make the Jewish
Gen community aware of this compelling book.

Evan Fishman
ebf2001@...
New Jersey, USA