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Free Masons in Boston #general

Jeff Blustein
 

Hello Genners,

Is anybody familiar with the Free Masons in Boston? Would they have had a
special burial plot or section in any of Boston's cemeteries in the 1930s?
I found relatives through www.jcam.org who told me their grandfather (Gdalio
Soroka) was a Free Mason, and thought he is interred somewhere at Baker
Street. I've come to learn that Baker Street consists of many cemeteries,
not all of which are managed by Jewish Cemetery Association of
Massachusetts. The Jcam site has a useful genealogy section, those of you
with "dead ends" in Boston would be wise to look into it.

Thanks,

Jeff Blustein
Livingston, NJ
jblu14@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Free Masons in Boston #general

Jeff Blustein
 

Hello Genners,

Is anybody familiar with the Free Masons in Boston? Would they have had a
special burial plot or section in any of Boston's cemeteries in the 1930s?
I found relatives through www.jcam.org who told me their grandfather (Gdalio
Soroka) was a Free Mason, and thought he is interred somewhere at Baker
Street. I've come to learn that Baker Street consists of many cemeteries,
not all of which are managed by Jewish Cemetery Association of
Massachusetts. The Jcam site has a useful genealogy section, those of you
with "dead ends" in Boston would be wise to look into it.

Thanks,

Jeff Blustein
Livingston, NJ
jblu14@...


Re: Dayyan Question #general

Maria <elena@...>
 

Last week I came into the happy possession of Volume II of "Distinguished
Jews of America"; the first thing I did was to turn to page 188 and read
the entire article on Samuel Maltinsky of Pittsburgh. I came across some
answers, much to sympathize with and a few eye-brow raisers, which I will
put to you for possible comment, or explanation.

Samuel says he was born in Libau, Courland. This raised an eyebrow because
the family seems to have been pretty much rooted way to the east, in the
Dvinsk/Rezhitsa area for at least three generations. Of course this doesn't
rule out a trip to Libau and a birth there before returning east, but it's
rather strange, and strikes me as a bit unlikely, and makes me wonder if
there might be a reason for Samuel to think Libau more "recommendable" than
Dvinsk.

The real eyebrow raiser comes when he says his father, Chaim Maltinsky, was a
dayyan (and one of the most popular men in town). He also says he was a
Talmudic scholar and attended gymnasium in "Russia" (there was a gymnasium in
Rezhitsa). The 1897 Russian census puts Chaim Maltinsky down as an illiterate
merchant; the son remaining in Rezhitsa in 1897, Meyer, is also listed as
illterate (as is a daughter). I don't doubt that an illiterate merchant can
be at least as wise and discerning as an educated man, but would an illiterate
merchant be likely carry the title of dayyan? Along the same lines, might it
be possible that Samuel, as the eldest son, might have gone to school where
the younger brothers might not have?

Samuel says he arrived in the US in 1880, started out as a peddler, and within
6 months of his arrival, was at Duff's College in Pittsburgh. Duff's College
turns out to be, according to a Google search, the first mercantile college in
the US, and it's likely this is where Samuel learned about the jewelry/optician
trade, by which he made his living. I'm in the process of making contact with
Duff's to see if they have any records >from that period.

I'll end by saying I'll be happy to reproduce any pages >from this volume for
anyone who discovers a relative or contact is in here.

Maria Torres
elena@...
MALTINSKY, RUBINSTEIN, MOSTOW, IMONITOFF, ZELLAT/ZELOTUKHIN (Latvia, PA, GA, NY)
NOTIS (Kovno, NY) KUNST (Poland, PA), PADEREWSKI (Poland, Savannah)
SABLODOWSKY (Poland, PA) ROSKOPH (Bohemia, OH, PA, NY)
PHILLIPS (PSCHEDESKI, PRZDECKI, DADACZ), LEVY, POMERANZ, ZEPLINSKY, FRANKEL
(Poland, NY, KY) RYBINSKI (Poland, UK)
TOBIAS (Poland, UK) DANIELSKI (Przdecz Poland)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Dayyan Question #general

Maria <elena@...>
 

Last week I came into the happy possession of Volume II of "Distinguished
Jews of America"; the first thing I did was to turn to page 188 and read
the entire article on Samuel Maltinsky of Pittsburgh. I came across some
answers, much to sympathize with and a few eye-brow raisers, which I will
put to you for possible comment, or explanation.

Samuel says he was born in Libau, Courland. This raised an eyebrow because
the family seems to have been pretty much rooted way to the east, in the
Dvinsk/Rezhitsa area for at least three generations. Of course this doesn't
rule out a trip to Libau and a birth there before returning east, but it's
rather strange, and strikes me as a bit unlikely, and makes me wonder if
there might be a reason for Samuel to think Libau more "recommendable" than
Dvinsk.

The real eyebrow raiser comes when he says his father, Chaim Maltinsky, was a
dayyan (and one of the most popular men in town). He also says he was a
Talmudic scholar and attended gymnasium in "Russia" (there was a gymnasium in
Rezhitsa). The 1897 Russian census puts Chaim Maltinsky down as an illiterate
merchant; the son remaining in Rezhitsa in 1897, Meyer, is also listed as
illterate (as is a daughter). I don't doubt that an illiterate merchant can
be at least as wise and discerning as an educated man, but would an illiterate
merchant be likely carry the title of dayyan? Along the same lines, might it
be possible that Samuel, as the eldest son, might have gone to school where
the younger brothers might not have?

Samuel says he arrived in the US in 1880, started out as a peddler, and within
6 months of his arrival, was at Duff's College in Pittsburgh. Duff's College
turns out to be, according to a Google search, the first mercantile college in
the US, and it's likely this is where Samuel learned about the jewelry/optician
trade, by which he made his living. I'm in the process of making contact with
Duff's to see if they have any records >from that period.

I'll end by saying I'll be happy to reproduce any pages >from this volume for
anyone who discovers a relative or contact is in here.

Maria Torres
elena@...
MALTINSKY, RUBINSTEIN, MOSTOW, IMONITOFF, ZELLAT/ZELOTUKHIN (Latvia, PA, GA, NY)
NOTIS (Kovno, NY) KUNST (Poland, PA), PADEREWSKI (Poland, Savannah)
SABLODOWSKY (Poland, PA) ROSKOPH (Bohemia, OH, PA, NY)
PHILLIPS (PSCHEDESKI, PRZDECKI, DADACZ), LEVY, POMERANZ, ZEPLINSKY, FRANKEL
(Poland, NY, KY) RYBINSKI (Poland, UK)
TOBIAS (Poland, UK) DANIELSKI (Przdecz Poland)


Sunshine family #general

Shirley <shirley.collier@...>
 

I knew of a large family by the name of Sunshine when I lived in Stoke
Newington, North London, many years ago.

According to a person search on British Telecom (www.bt.com) there are still
members of a Sunshine family living in London.

Shirley COLLIER
East of London UK

MODERATOR NOTE: Thank you to the readers who have sent in many examples
of this name. Further comments should focus on genealogical issues.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sunshine family #general

Shirley <shirley.collier@...>
 

I knew of a large family by the name of Sunshine when I lived in Stoke
Newington, North London, many years ago.

According to a person search on British Telecom (www.bt.com) there are still
members of a Sunshine family living in London.

Shirley COLLIER
East of London UK

MODERATOR NOTE: Thank you to the readers who have sent in many examples
of this name. Further comments should focus on genealogical issues.


Re: The WALDES family #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Carol Harter of Claremont, Ca writes: <I've been told that my grandmother, Rosa
WALDES and her siblings, Anna, Max, Julius, and Ottokar were born in Linz in
the late 1800s. According to family story, the parents of these children were
Sigmund and Agnes WALDES >from what is now the Czech Republic.

Thanks to a second cousin, a grandson of Max, I know he and his wife
died in the early 1940s and are buried in Vienna. The internet has a listing
for Julius in the same cemetery. But none of our remaining family members
knows anything about this family before the early 1900s when Rosa and, a
little later, Anna came to America. How can I find information about this
family's history?>

Welcome to our SIG Carol; I suspect you are a new member. We really have a
problem here in an old-established group that knows the ropes! We cannot go
over the same ground over and over again, so I will give Carol a ring and tell
her what to do! May I suggest as a starter that all our new Siggers read:
Beginner's Guide to Austrian Jewish Genealogy:

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ausguide.htm

There is a vast amount of data to follow up available on the internet re the
WALDES family most probably >from Czernowitz, Bukowina, not the Czech Republic.

Burials in Austria:

Zentralfriedhof Tor IV 20 12 27 [Vienna]
WALDES Aloisia age 68 died 05.04.1942
WALDES Max age 66 died 10.12.1940

WALDES Julius age 67 died 3.11.1939 Zentralfriedhof Tor IV 20a 19 12

WALDES Josefa 22.10.1918 Waidhofen/Thaya 6 4

Ottakar WALDES had an asset file deposited after April 1938 - dob Ottokar 14
October 1881. This can be ordered >from the Staatsarchiv, Vienna.

The biggest clue however comes >from Letter to the Stars
http://www.lettertothestars.at/

where two schoolboys have researched Ottakar's family who died in the
holocaust. It would be a very nice gesture to contact them: Michael Redl and
Dominik Rohrbock - tehn in class 4A, HS {Hochschule] Vitis

They want to the WALDES family to be remembered and brought back to life;
namely Ottokar WALDES and his wife Pauline nee SPITZ and their daughter
Gertrude. Ottokar was born on 14.10.1881 in Czernowitz, Romania. He was
Oberinspektor at the railways. Pauline was born on 16.09.1886 in Vitis, N.O.
[Lower Austria]. She was the sister of Emma HAHN nee SPITZ who also died in
the holocaust....

The Todeserklarung [death declaration, which can be ordered] of Ottokar can be
found at the Wiener Stadt und Landesarchiv 48T1311/47. Their daughter Gertrude
appears to have survived outside Austria. We may find out her whereabouts from
these death declarations.

On Yad Vashem you will find many POTs for this family network written in 1955
by Therese SCHLESINGER in Israel. Therese, I suspect was nee HAHN but there is
a big mix-up on the POT with the relationships. She knows little about Paula
WALDES so she cannot be her sister. She also says Otto [Ottakar] was born in
Linz, but I tend to believe the data >from the Vienna archives where they state
he was born in Czernowitz. There is always the possibility that Sigmund WALDES,
the father of Ottakar was also an employee on the Austrian Railways or
elsewhere] and was stationed in Czernowitz when Ottakar was born.

Yad vashem: WALDES extended family victims we remember here today: [year of
birth given]

HAHN Emma 1888
WALDES Wien 1886 [this is Paula]
SCHLESINGER Bertha Horn N.O. Austria 1893
SCHLESINGER Johanna Horn 1885
SCHWARZ Lina Graz Steiermark, Austria 1882
SCHLESINGER Stockerau N.O. 1877
WALDES Otto Wien 1881
HAHN Eduard Gross Weikersdorf, N.O. Austria 1883

There are also two listings in the Vienna phone book for 1933 for:

Otto WALDES; Verlag der Volkswirtschaft, Bratislava-Wien; Bergasse 16 Wien IX
WALDES und Co; Metallwarenfabrik [Depot] WipplingerStr 17, Wien I.

One would have to research these to see if they belong to the same family.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: Carol has listed the name WALDES, [Linz] on the JGFF. There you will
also find Albert Brookenthal, researching the same family. I assume he is the
descendant of Max referred to above. Although this name has been registered
since 2002, we have never had any query about it on our SIG before. It is
always best to follow up a JGFF registration with a query on the appropriate
SIG.


Rodolfo Miller - Seeking plot in Vienna Friedhof #austria-czech

FRANK EISINGER <feising@...>
 

Rodolfo,

The IKG Cemetery Data Base has a note right at the top that states: "For
data protection act reasons only data of persons deceased prior to May 5,
1945 are displayed!"

Regards,

Frank Eisinger Saint James, NY USA

Researching:
EISINGER Hustopeche, Moravia
HIRSCH Vienna, Gaunersdorf (Gaweinstal), Austria


more on Sights in south west Bohemia and exhibit in Prague #austria-czech

susiestree@...
 

I wrote earlier about my recent trip to the CZ R and the Bar mitzvah that I
attended in Klatovy with 75 people mainly >from the UK and the USA. I have some
links to share so that you can see some of what I saw. Two torah scrolls that
once were a part of the Klatovy Jewish Community were brought >from Surrey in
the UK and NY for this historic trip. The Bar mitzvah was a fitting
introduction to the exhibit now at the Guttmann Gallery of the Jewish Museum in Prague
until the end of January. I encourage anyone visiting Prague to see it. The
exhibit is called the SECOND LIFE OF THE TORAH SCROLLS.
http://www.jewishmuseum.cz/en/aexhibition.htm
There is a small movie that goes with it and the exhibit may be available to
travel to other places after the exhibit closes in Prague. I doubt if the
artifacts would be available for travel but the story boards. ( Just an idea, but
with over 1,000 CZ scrolls in the USA, these scrolls could easily become
artifacts to illustrate the story boards as they now have a second life all over
the world)

I also visited the area near the Sumava Mts. in the SW Bohemia-Susice. It was
the town of survivor Hana Gruna and I visited her friends and home and
listened to her remembrances. It is a vacation area where people come to bike and
hike and ski. Framed by soft green mountains, a lovely little river runs right
through the town. Nearby are the ruins of castles in Rabi and by bus we went
to a small museum in the mountains built by people who now live in Israel (Dr.
Adler) who came >from this area -a rabbinic family. They got back their family
home and then recreated what a small home in the 1800s would look like. It is
filled it with Jewish treasures. There is a church next door that was also
beautiful. And a few miles away was a restored synagogue. It was mentioned when
we visited that the Bloch family were living in this area and they were into
glass. Maybe someone has relatives >from this area and can tell us more about
Hartmanice.
http://www.jspcountry.cz/detail.php?ukaz=77&lang=en
The Adler home in Dobra Voda
The synagogue www.hartmancie.cz

Susan Boyer
Sherman Oaks CA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: The WALDES family #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Carol Harter of Claremont, Ca writes: <I've been told that my grandmother, Rosa
WALDES and her siblings, Anna, Max, Julius, and Ottokar were born in Linz in
the late 1800s. According to family story, the parents of these children were
Sigmund and Agnes WALDES >from what is now the Czech Republic.

Thanks to a second cousin, a grandson of Max, I know he and his wife
died in the early 1940s and are buried in Vienna. The internet has a listing
for Julius in the same cemetery. But none of our remaining family members
knows anything about this family before the early 1900s when Rosa and, a
little later, Anna came to America. How can I find information about this
family's history?>

Welcome to our SIG Carol; I suspect you are a new member. We really have a
problem here in an old-established group that knows the ropes! We cannot go
over the same ground over and over again, so I will give Carol a ring and tell
her what to do! May I suggest as a starter that all our new Siggers read:
Beginner's Guide to Austrian Jewish Genealogy:

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ausguide.htm

There is a vast amount of data to follow up available on the internet re the
WALDES family most probably >from Czernowitz, Bukowina, not the Czech Republic.

Burials in Austria:

Zentralfriedhof Tor IV 20 12 27 [Vienna]
WALDES Aloisia age 68 died 05.04.1942
WALDES Max age 66 died 10.12.1940

WALDES Julius age 67 died 3.11.1939 Zentralfriedhof Tor IV 20a 19 12

WALDES Josefa 22.10.1918 Waidhofen/Thaya 6 4

Ottakar WALDES had an asset file deposited after April 1938 - dob Ottokar 14
October 1881. This can be ordered >from the Staatsarchiv, Vienna.

The biggest clue however comes >from Letter to the Stars
http://www.lettertothestars.at/

where two schoolboys have researched Ottakar's family who died in the
holocaust. It would be a very nice gesture to contact them: Michael Redl and
Dominik Rohrbock - tehn in class 4A, HS {Hochschule] Vitis

They want to the WALDES family to be remembered and brought back to life;
namely Ottokar WALDES and his wife Pauline nee SPITZ and their daughter
Gertrude. Ottokar was born on 14.10.1881 in Czernowitz, Romania. He was
Oberinspektor at the railways. Pauline was born on 16.09.1886 in Vitis, N.O.
[Lower Austria]. She was the sister of Emma HAHN nee SPITZ who also died in
the holocaust....

The Todeserklarung [death declaration, which can be ordered] of Ottokar can be
found at the Wiener Stadt und Landesarchiv 48T1311/47. Their daughter Gertrude
appears to have survived outside Austria. We may find out her whereabouts from
these death declarations.

On Yad Vashem you will find many POTs for this family network written in 1955
by Therese SCHLESINGER in Israel. Therese, I suspect was nee HAHN but there is
a big mix-up on the POT with the relationships. She knows little about Paula
WALDES so she cannot be her sister. She also says Otto [Ottakar] was born in
Linz, but I tend to believe the data >from the Vienna archives where they state
he was born in Czernowitz. There is always the possibility that Sigmund WALDES,
the father of Ottakar was also an employee on the Austrian Railways or
elsewhere] and was stationed in Czernowitz when Ottakar was born.

Yad vashem: WALDES extended family victims we remember here today: [year of
birth given]

HAHN Emma 1888
WALDES Wien 1886 [this is Paula]
SCHLESINGER Bertha Horn N.O. Austria 1893
SCHLESINGER Johanna Horn 1885
SCHWARZ Lina Graz Steiermark, Austria 1882
SCHLESINGER Stockerau N.O. 1877
WALDES Otto Wien 1881
HAHN Eduard Gross Weikersdorf, N.O. Austria 1883

There are also two listings in the Vienna phone book for 1933 for:

Otto WALDES; Verlag der Volkswirtschaft, Bratislava-Wien; Bergasse 16 Wien IX
WALDES und Co; Metallwarenfabrik [Depot] WipplingerStr 17, Wien I.

One would have to research these to see if they belong to the same family.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: Carol has listed the name WALDES, [Linz] on the JGFF. There you will
also find Albert Brookenthal, researching the same family. I assume he is the
descendant of Max referred to above. Although this name has been registered
since 2002, we have never had any query about it on our SIG before. It is
always best to follow up a JGFF registration with a query on the appropriate
SIG.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Rodolfo Miller - Seeking plot in Vienna Friedhof #austria-czech

FRANK EISINGER <feising@...>
 

Rodolfo,

The IKG Cemetery Data Base has a note right at the top that states: "For
data protection act reasons only data of persons deceased prior to May 5,
1945 are displayed!"

Regards,

Frank Eisinger Saint James, NY USA

Researching:
EISINGER Hustopeche, Moravia
HIRSCH Vienna, Gaunersdorf (Gaweinstal), Austria


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech more on Sights in south west Bohemia and exhibit in Prague #austria-czech

susiestree@...
 

I wrote earlier about my recent trip to the CZ R and the Bar mitzvah that I
attended in Klatovy with 75 people mainly >from the UK and the USA. I have some
links to share so that you can see some of what I saw. Two torah scrolls that
once were a part of the Klatovy Jewish Community were brought >from Surrey in
the UK and NY for this historic trip. The Bar mitzvah was a fitting
introduction to the exhibit now at the Guttmann Gallery of the Jewish Museum in Prague
until the end of January. I encourage anyone visiting Prague to see it. The
exhibit is called the SECOND LIFE OF THE TORAH SCROLLS.
http://www.jewishmuseum.cz/en/aexhibition.htm
There is a small movie that goes with it and the exhibit may be available to
travel to other places after the exhibit closes in Prague. I doubt if the
artifacts would be available for travel but the story boards. ( Just an idea, but
with over 1,000 CZ scrolls in the USA, these scrolls could easily become
artifacts to illustrate the story boards as they now have a second life all over
the world)

I also visited the area near the Sumava Mts. in the SW Bohemia-Susice. It was
the town of survivor Hana Gruna and I visited her friends and home and
listened to her remembrances. It is a vacation area where people come to bike and
hike and ski. Framed by soft green mountains, a lovely little river runs right
through the town. Nearby are the ruins of castles in Rabi and by bus we went
to a small museum in the mountains built by people who now live in Israel (Dr.
Adler) who came >from this area -a rabbinic family. They got back their family
home and then recreated what a small home in the 1800s would look like. It is
filled it with Jewish treasures. There is a church next door that was also
beautiful. And a few miles away was a restored synagogue. It was mentioned when
we visited that the Bloch family were living in this area and they were into
glass. Maybe someone has relatives >from this area and can tell us more about
Hartmanice.
http://www.jspcountry.cz/detail.php?ukaz=77&lang=en
The Adler home in Dobra Voda
The synagogue www.hartmancie.cz

Susan Boyer
Sherman Oaks CA


Re: Seeking plot in Vienna Friedhof #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
 

Rodolfo.

The reason you are unable to find your grandmother's grave site on the IKG cemetery database is that
she was not buried in a Jewish cemetery.

A search on the Vienna City's cemetery database
https://www.wien.gv.at/grabauskunft/internet/suche.aspx reveals that Rosa Muller (with umlaut) was
cremated on 6 April 1949 at the Feuerhalle Simmering

Some other datails, presumably where the ashes are kept, are:
Abteilung 3; Ring 2; Gruppe 2; Nummer 18;
Grabnutzungsgerecht bis 09.06.2011 (9 June 2011)
(Probably a date at which payment is due to extend current occupancy).

Regards

David Laufer
Sydney.


Rosa Muller's grave in the Feuerhalle, Simmering #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Rodolfo Miller >from Mexico wrote: <My grandmother, father's side, returned to
Vienna in the late forties, after many years in diverse parts of the world,
mainly Mexico, as a refugee.

My parents received a letter >from a close relative, dated in Vienna 30.3.1949,
informing them that: "... Heute leider keine gute nachricht..... die Liebe
Mutter, auf dem wege vom Kai-Park, vom schlage getroffen, tot zusammenbrach..."

"... today unfortunately no good news... our beloved mother, on her way from
the Kai-Park was struck by a heart attack and died... "

Grandmother´s name was Rosa MULLER (umlaut U), her maiden name was Rosa
GOTTLIEB or GOTLIEB. I am unable to locate her funeral plot in the IKG
database...>

Dear Rodolfo; I believe your grandmother is buried in the Feuerhalle,
Simmering,
namely the crematorium. This is just opposite the Zentralfriedhof Tor I and in
case you are disappoionted, I want to assure you that this is a very beautiful
place, within the walls of an ancient Habsburg castle with wonderful oak trees.
Your grandmother will not be alone as there are many Jewish burials there!
I can send you a few pictures so you can get the atmosphere.

Familienname: Muller Vorname: Rosa
Bestattungsdatum : 06.04.1949 [date of burial]
Friedhof: Feuerhalle Simmering
Abteilung: 3 Ring: 2 Gruppe: 2 Nummer: 18
Grabnutzungsrecht bis: 09.06.2011

Friedhofsadresse: Simmeringer Hauptstraße 337, 1110 Wien
Telefon: 760 41 - 97892
Öffnungszeiten: Kanzlei: Montag bis Freitag 8 bis 15 Uhr

Apart >from the location, the most important line here is: "Grabnutzungsrecht
bis: 09.06.2011 which means that on 9 June 2011 the rights to this grave will
expire and it will be removed. So if you wish, the grave to be maintained, you
will have to contact the Feuerhalle and extend the rights.

If you are lucky you will find this: "auf Friedhofsdauer" ie in perpetuity -
this means that your forebears have paid for the grave in perpetuity and it
will not be removed.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: Non-Jewish cemeteries in Vienna can be searched at
https://www.wien.gv.at/grabauskunft/internet/Suche.aspx

People sometimes have trouble connecting to this database. It could be due to
their browsers. PS: you must use an umlaut to search for Muller.


Re: The WALDES family #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
 

Carole Harter wrote:

"I've been told that my grandmother, Rosa WALDES, and her siblings,
Anna, Max, Julius, and Ottokar were born in Linz in the late 1800s.
According to family story, the parents of these children were Sigmund and
Agnes WALDES >from what is now the Czech Republic."

According to the Memorial book "Totenbuch Theresienstadt"
Otokar WALDES, born on 14.10.1881, was deported to Theresienstadt
on 02.10.1942, He was sent >from there to Auschwitz on 09.10.1944.

There is also mention of a Pauline WALDES (his wife ?) born 16.09.1886, on the same transports.

Regards

David Laufer
Sydney


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Seeking plot in Vienna Friedhof #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
 

Rodolfo.

The reason you are unable to find your grandmother's grave site on the IKG cemetery database is that
she was not buried in a Jewish cemetery.

A search on the Vienna City's cemetery database
https://www.wien.gv.at/grabauskunft/internet/suche.aspx reveals that Rosa Muller (with umlaut) was
cremated on 6 April 1949 at the Feuerhalle Simmering

Some other datails, presumably where the ashes are kept, are:
Abteilung 3; Ring 2; Gruppe 2; Nummer 18;
Grabnutzungsgerecht bis 09.06.2011 (9 June 2011)
(Probably a date at which payment is due to extend current occupancy).

Regards

David Laufer
Sydney.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Rosa Muller's grave in the Feuerhalle, Simmering #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Rodolfo Miller >from Mexico wrote: <My grandmother, father's side, returned to
Vienna in the late forties, after many years in diverse parts of the world,
mainly Mexico, as a refugee.

My parents received a letter >from a close relative, dated in Vienna 30.3.1949,
informing them that: "... Heute leider keine gute nachricht..... die Liebe
Mutter, auf dem wege vom Kai-Park, vom schlage getroffen, tot zusammenbrach..."

"... today unfortunately no good news... our beloved mother, on her way from
the Kai-Park was struck by a heart attack and died... "

Grandmother´s name was Rosa MULLER (umlaut U), her maiden name was Rosa
GOTTLIEB or GOTLIEB. I am unable to locate her funeral plot in the IKG
database...>

Dear Rodolfo; I believe your grandmother is buried in the Feuerhalle,
Simmering,
namely the crematorium. This is just opposite the Zentralfriedhof Tor I and in
case you are disappoionted, I want to assure you that this is a very beautiful
place, within the walls of an ancient Habsburg castle with wonderful oak trees.
Your grandmother will not be alone as there are many Jewish burials there!
I can send you a few pictures so you can get the atmosphere.

Familienname: Muller Vorname: Rosa
Bestattungsdatum : 06.04.1949 [date of burial]
Friedhof: Feuerhalle Simmering
Abteilung: 3 Ring: 2 Gruppe: 2 Nummer: 18
Grabnutzungsrecht bis: 09.06.2011

Friedhofsadresse: Simmeringer Hauptstraße 337, 1110 Wien
Telefon: 760 41 - 97892
Öffnungszeiten: Kanzlei: Montag bis Freitag 8 bis 15 Uhr

Apart >from the location, the most important line here is: "Grabnutzungsrecht
bis: 09.06.2011 which means that on 9 June 2011 the rights to this grave will
expire and it will be removed. So if you wish, the grave to be maintained, you
will have to contact the Feuerhalle and extend the rights.

If you are lucky you will find this: "auf Friedhofsdauer" ie in perpetuity -
this means that your forebears have paid for the grave in perpetuity and it
will not be removed.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: Non-Jewish cemeteries in Vienna can be searched at
https://www.wien.gv.at/grabauskunft/internet/Suche.aspx

People sometimes have trouble connecting to this database. It could be due to
their browsers. PS: you must use an umlaut to search for Muller.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: The WALDES family #austria-czech

David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
 

Carole Harter wrote:

"I've been told that my grandmother, Rosa WALDES, and her siblings,
Anna, Max, Julius, and Ottokar were born in Linz in the late 1800s.
According to family story, the parents of these children were Sigmund and
Agnes WALDES >from what is now the Czech Republic."

According to the Memorial book "Totenbuch Theresienstadt"
Otokar WALDES, born on 14.10.1881, was deported to Theresienstadt
on 02.10.1942, He was sent >from there to Auschwitz on 09.10.1944.

There is also mention of a Pauline WALDES (his wife ?) born 16.09.1886, on the same transports.

Regards

David Laufer
Sydney


Plot in Vienna #austria-czech

Traude Triebel
 

Dear Mr. Miller


https://www.wien.gv.at/grabauskunft/internet/suche.aspx

here you find Rosa Mueller

friendly regards

Traude Triebel
Wr. Neustadt

Email: traude.triebel@...
Web: http://www.genealogie-gruenwald.reumann.biz/gg/


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Plot in Vienna #austria-czech

Traude Triebel
 

Dear Mr. Miller


https://www.wien.gv.at/grabauskunft/internet/suche.aspx

here you find Rosa Mueller

friendly regards

Traude Triebel
Wr. Neustadt

Email: traude.triebel@...
Web: http://www.genealogie-gruenwald.reumann.biz/gg/