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ViewMate translation from Russian: Marriage record, Wegrow, Poland #poland

Jrbaston
 

Dear Fellow researchers:

I have posted to Viewmate (9182) a marriage record of Szmul
Chaim SZTERN and Estera Malka BLUMBERG in Wegrow,
Poland in 1904. Below is the direct link:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9182

I believe that Szmul Chaim SZTERN was the maternal grandfather of
my cousin in Israel -- but there are several potentially contradictory
pieces of data. In Pages of Testimony for his mother (Szmul Chaim's
daughter) my cousin listed her birth year as 1896. This, of course,
pre-dates a 1904 marriage. Also Pages of testimony for my cousin's
sisters gave their birth years as 1916 and 1918.

This makes me think there might be two reasons for a 1904
marriage:

1) This was a re-marriage of Szmul Chaim SZTERN, after
his first wife died.

2) This was a significantly delayed civil registration of a
religious marriage that took place at least a decade earlier.

So, I am hoping that those of you who can read the Cyrillic
script and are familiar with Polish marriage records of
this period could tell me the following:

1) How old are Szmul Chaim and Malka (I've been told
38 and 40 years old -- is this correct??)

2) Are they described as unmarried or widow/widower?

3) Is there any reference to the date/year or when a
religious marriage might have taken place, or any other
evidence of a previous religious marriage (including names
of children, etc.)

Any other relevant information, such as towns of birth, etc.
would also be appreciated.

Please respond privately.

Thanks in advance,

Judy Baston
San Francisco, CA
JRBaston@aol.com


Re: Rechte SELTZER #poland

Debbie Raff
 

To answer your question "recte" and most likely "rechte" would be Latin for
'properly', I believe.

It appears that your uncle Karl KOCH rechte SELTZER had an alternate
surname, which could very well be the maiden name of his mother. I suppose
it could even go back to his mother's mother, but someone else may know more
on this topic.

There were many people in this situation so you see the designation "recte"
or 'vel' in many records. If the government did not recognize the marriage
of his parents for example this is what could be the outcome.

Is it possible that Karl's parents were married in a religious ceremony, but
not a secular one? One of my uncles is listed as an illegitmate child due
to this reason. Karl would be in good company, as I once read that this was
the case with about 1/3 of Polish Jews. I don't know if that was an
exaggeration or not.

Debbie Raff
California

Subject: rechte seltzer
From: "milton koch" <miltonkoch@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:29:42 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1

My uncle, Karl Koch, was born in Vienna. His birth certificate mentions
"rechte Seltzer" but I have NOT found this name in any other family
documents. Can someone explain this to me?
Thanks.

Milton Koch
BARBASCH/GINSBERG -PODVOLCHISK/ZALESCKI
KOCH JAGELNITSA


JRI Poland #Poland ViewMate translation from Russian: Marriage record, Wegrow, Poland #poland

Jrbaston
 

Dear Fellow researchers:

I have posted to Viewmate (9182) a marriage record of Szmul
Chaim SZTERN and Estera Malka BLUMBERG in Wegrow,
Poland in 1904. Below is the direct link:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=9182

I believe that Szmul Chaim SZTERN was the maternal grandfather of
my cousin in Israel -- but there are several potentially contradictory
pieces of data. In Pages of Testimony for his mother (Szmul Chaim's
daughter) my cousin listed her birth year as 1896. This, of course,
pre-dates a 1904 marriage. Also Pages of testimony for my cousin's
sisters gave their birth years as 1916 and 1918.

This makes me think there might be two reasons for a 1904
marriage:

1) This was a re-marriage of Szmul Chaim SZTERN, after
his first wife died.

2) This was a significantly delayed civil registration of a
religious marriage that took place at least a decade earlier.

So, I am hoping that those of you who can read the Cyrillic
script and are familiar with Polish marriage records of
this period could tell me the following:

1) How old are Szmul Chaim and Malka (I've been told
38 and 40 years old -- is this correct??)

2) Are they described as unmarried or widow/widower?

3) Is there any reference to the date/year or when a
religious marriage might have taken place, or any other
evidence of a previous religious marriage (including names
of children, etc.)

Any other relevant information, such as towns of birth, etc.
would also be appreciated.

Please respond privately.

Thanks in advance,

Judy Baston
San Francisco, CA
JRBaston@aol.com


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Rechte SELTZER #poland

Debbie Raff
 

To answer your question "recte" and most likely "rechte" would be Latin for
'properly', I believe.

It appears that your uncle Karl KOCH rechte SELTZER had an alternate
surname, which could very well be the maiden name of his mother. I suppose
it could even go back to his mother's mother, but someone else may know more
on this topic.

There were many people in this situation so you see the designation "recte"
or 'vel' in many records. If the government did not recognize the marriage
of his parents for example this is what could be the outcome.

Is it possible that Karl's parents were married in a religious ceremony, but
not a secular one? One of my uncles is listed as an illegitmate child due
to this reason. Karl would be in good company, as I once read that this was
the case with about 1/3 of Polish Jews. I don't know if that was an
exaggeration or not.

Debbie Raff
California

Subject: rechte seltzer
From: "milton koch" <miltonkoch@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:29:42 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1

My uncle, Karl Koch, was born in Vienna. His birth certificate mentions
"rechte Seltzer" but I have NOT found this name in any other family
documents. Can someone explain this to me?
Thanks.

Milton Koch
BARBASCH/GINSBERG -PODVOLCHISK/ZALESCKI
KOCH JAGELNITSA


Re: robert pataki from melbourne australia, messages bouncing #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

i was trying to reply to a message >from robert pataki, but his email
at netspace (that he signed his most recent postings with) keeps
bouncing, saying that his account doesn't exist.

does anyone have a working email address for him?


....... tom klein, toronto

Moderator: Please respond off-list if you have a current address for Robert Pataki.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: robert pataki from melbourne australia, messages bouncing #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

i was trying to reply to a message >from robert pataki, but his email
at netspace (that he signed his most recent postings with) keeps
bouncing, saying that his account doesn't exist.

does anyone have a working email address for him?


....... tom klein, toronto

Moderator: Please respond off-list if you have a current address for Robert Pataki.


Re: Jewish Institute in St. Petersburg, Russia #galicia

Hava Porat <havapo@...>
 

I tried to link to http://www.ort.spb.ru/j_univ/ but got error.

As I have a branch of my family tree that came >from Russia would
like very much to have an address that might give me more
information.

As a matter of fact I am looking for information >from Buynaksk /
Bujnatsk, Dagastan Russia. (I know that is not connected to Galicia
but maybe somebody can help.)

Best regards,

Hava Porat
Research families: Levit (Dagastan, Russia),
Korn, Wiesenfeld and Kranz (Tarnobrzeg, Poland),
Pitchon and Hanoka (Thessaloniki, Greece),
Federman and Borchovski (Siedlce, Poland).
www.myroots.co.il

Naomi Fatouros <nfatouros@sbcglobal.net> wrote...

I think what Ms. Rosenbaum may be inquiring about
is:

St. Petersburg Jewish University Address: Russia
196247 St. Petersburg, POB 10
Tel.: 7-812-316-38-30
Fax: 7-812-513-10-04
E-mail: univer@jewuni.spb.ru
Web site: http://www.ort.spb.ru/j_univ/
[Quoted message truncated by Moderator.]

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The correct web address for the university appears
to be http://www.ort.spb.ru/friend/pju/ . Please continue privately
any discussion of non-Galician research.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Jewish Institute in St. Petersburg, Russia #galicia

Hava Porat <havapo@...>
 

I tried to link to http://www.ort.spb.ru/j_univ/ but got error.

As I have a branch of my family tree that came >from Russia would
like very much to have an address that might give me more
information.

As a matter of fact I am looking for information >from Buynaksk /
Bujnatsk, Dagastan Russia. (I know that is not connected to Galicia
but maybe somebody can help.)

Best regards,

Hava Porat
Research families: Levit (Dagastan, Russia),
Korn, Wiesenfeld and Kranz (Tarnobrzeg, Poland),
Pitchon and Hanoka (Thessaloniki, Greece),
Federman and Borchovski (Siedlce, Poland).
www.myroots.co.il

Naomi Fatouros <nfatouros@sbcglobal.net> wrote...

I think what Ms. Rosenbaum may be inquiring about
is:

St. Petersburg Jewish University Address: Russia
196247 St. Petersburg, POB 10
Tel.: 7-812-316-38-30
Fax: 7-812-513-10-04
E-mail: univer@jewuni.spb.ru
Web site: http://www.ort.spb.ru/j_univ/
[Quoted message truncated by Moderator.]

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The correct web address for the university appears
to be http://www.ort.spb.ru/friend/pju/ . Please continue privately
any discussion of non-Galician research.


rechte Seltzer #galicia

milton koch <miltonkoch@...>
 

My uncle, Karl Koch, was born in Vienna. His birth certificate
mentions "rechte Seltzer" but I have NOT found this name in any
other family documents. Can someone explain this to me?

Thanks.

Milton Koch
BARBASCH/GINSBERG - Podvolchisk/Zalescki
KOCH - Jagelnitsa


Vilkowiskis, Southern Lithuania Cemetery Project #general

Ralph <salinger@...>
 

Dear Readers,

It is my intention to travel to VILKAVISKIS, Southern Lithuania in August
2007 to photograph the several hundred Jewish gravestones at the Jewish
Cemetery there.Salingers lived in Vilkaviskis >from around 1805 until the
destruction of the community In 1941.

The Cemetery has been fenced and is maintained by the local council.

To date I received the blessings of the Jewish Community in Vilnius as well
as >from the Mayor of Vilkaviskis.

I have a hand drawn map of the Jewish community of VILKAVISKIS and I am
attempting to index this map and link the names with the various data bases
on the net, particularly Yad Vershem.

I would be more than delighted to hear >from anyone who has either
information on their family >from Vilkowiskis or is interested in either
coming along or can offer any other kind of support.

At: http://www.picturetrail.com/ralphs11 you can get idea of the project !

The completed material will be donated to the JewishGen Online Worldwide
Burial Registry http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/, where it will
be available to all researchers.

Looking forward to your response,

Ralph Salinger
Kfar Ruppin


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia rechte Seltzer #galicia

milton koch <miltonkoch@...>
 

My uncle, Karl Koch, was born in Vienna. His birth certificate
mentions "rechte Seltzer" but I have NOT found this name in any
other family documents. Can someone explain this to me?

Thanks.

Milton Koch
BARBASCH/GINSBERG - Podvolchisk/Zalescki
KOCH - Jagelnitsa


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Vilkowiskis, Southern Lithuania Cemetery Project #general

Ralph <salinger@...>
 

Dear Readers,

It is my intention to travel to VILKAVISKIS, Southern Lithuania in August
2007 to photograph the several hundred Jewish gravestones at the Jewish
Cemetery there.Salingers lived in Vilkaviskis >from around 1805 until the
destruction of the community In 1941.

The Cemetery has been fenced and is maintained by the local council.

To date I received the blessings of the Jewish Community in Vilnius as well
as >from the Mayor of Vilkaviskis.

I have a hand drawn map of the Jewish community of VILKAVISKIS and I am
attempting to index this map and link the names with the various data bases
on the net, particularly Yad Vershem.

I would be more than delighted to hear >from anyone who has either
information on their family >from Vilkowiskis or is interested in either
coming along or can offer any other kind of support.

At: http://www.picturetrail.com/ralphs11 you can get idea of the project !

The completed material will be donated to the JewishGen Online Worldwide
Burial Registry http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/cemetery/, where it will
be available to all researchers.

Looking forward to your response,

Ralph Salinger
Kfar Ruppin


"Galicia Mon Amour" - program at YIVO, Jan. 16 #galicia

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

The YIVO Institute for Jewish Research will present Leon Wieseltier
and Daniel Mendelsohn in conversation on Tuesday, Jan. 16, at 7:00
p.m., at the Center for Jewish History in New York. The two authors
will compare notes on the "torments and exhilarations" of their
pilgrimages to family towns in eastern Galicia. For more information,
see the YIVO website --
http://yivo.org/events/index.php?tid=151&aid=389

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills, New York, USA
genmaven@gmail.org


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia "Galicia Mon Amour" - program at YIVO, Jan. 16 #galicia

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

The YIVO Institute for Jewish Research will present Leon Wieseltier
and Daniel Mendelsohn in conversation on Tuesday, Jan. 16, at 7:00
p.m., at the Center for Jewish History in New York. The two authors
will compare notes on the "torments and exhilarations" of their
pilgrimages to family towns in eastern Galicia. For more information,
see the YIVO website --
http://yivo.org/events/index.php?tid=151&aid=389

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills, New York, USA
genmaven@gmail.org


SAFIER #general

Corinne Silver
 

I have moved >from the UK to Israel eleven months ago , I am looking
for any memebers of the Safier family that are alive and living in
Israel. (and anywhere else in the world).My great grand father was Max
( Meyer) Safier he was naturlised as a UK citizen in 1893. he had 10
or 111 sibling's . Many of the family did not survive the holacaust .
I would be grateful for any information.
My grandfather was Avrahm Israel Safier ( also know as Alex or even
JImmy ( never knew why!) My father who was born on 28.12.1926 ( 80
years ago today ) died 29.6.1983 was Geffory Mark Safier.any
information about my paternal family would be wonderful.
Many thanks
(Corinne) Rachelle Silver


Cleaning and Storage - Antique Prayer Shawl #general

Joyce Eastman
 

I want to thank everyone who replied with suggestions as to the cleaning and
storage of my antique prayer shawl. I hope that this will enable me to keep
the shawl in good condition for many years to come.

Joyce Eastman
Orange City, FL USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Fwd: SAFIER #general

Corinne Silver
 

I have moved >from the UK to Israel eleven months ago , I am looking
for any memebers of the Safier family that are alive and living in
Israel. (and anywhere else in the world).My great grand father was Max
( Meyer) Safier he was naturlised as a UK citizen in 1893. he had 10
or 111 sibling's . Many of the family did not survive the holacaust .
I would be grateful for any information.
My grandfather was Avrahm Israel Safier ( also know as Alex or even
JImmy ( never knew why!) My father who was born on 28.12.1926 ( 80
years ago today ) died 29.6.1983 was Geffory Mark Safier.any
information about my paternal family would be wonderful.
Many thanks
(Corinne) Rachelle Silver


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cleaning and Storage - Antique Prayer Shawl #general

Joyce Eastman
 

I want to thank everyone who replied with suggestions as to the cleaning and
storage of my antique prayer shawl. I hope that this will enable me to keep
the shawl in good condition for many years to come.

Joyce Eastman
Orange City, FL USA


Marja FRENSDORF, born: 25-02-1909, in Tarnow, Poland #general

MBernet@...
 

Does anyone have any information on Marja FRENSDORF, Date of Birth:
25-02-1909, Place of Birth: Tarnow, Poland

She is listed in British records of aliens, as living in the UK 1939 to 1942
(she may have emigrated to the USA), and is specifically listed as Jewish.

To the best of my knowledge, all FRENSDORFs (or FRENSDORFF) who are of
Jewish ancestry, were descendants of Suessel (Jekusiel?) [ben] Hirsch, a merchant
in Frensdorf, a village near Bamberg, Bavaria, who was born ca 1650.

The Frensdorf family are Levites.

One extensive branch is descended >from Rabbi Michael [ben Meir/Marum]
FRENSDORFF of Hamburg and Hannover. The line had many rabbis, scholars, and even an
Episcopal bishop. There was a branch who studied medicine in Heidelberg and
practiced in Bamberg. One Captain FRENSDORF was a hero on the winning side of
the Battle of Waterloo (not sure if he's related)

A number of branches came to the USA in the mid-1800's. One branch lived in
Syracuse, NY, one large branch settled in the Great Lakes region and became
prominent in agrobusiness and politics.

I have much information and would appreciate more so that I can link
together the various trees that I have. Of course, I'll supply info in return.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Marja FRENSDORF, born: 25-02-1909, in Tarnow, Poland #general

MBernet@...
 

Does anyone have any information on Marja FRENSDORF, Date of Birth:
25-02-1909, Place of Birth: Tarnow, Poland

She is listed in British records of aliens, as living in the UK 1939 to 1942
(she may have emigrated to the USA), and is specifically listed as Jewish.

To the best of my knowledge, all FRENSDORFs (or FRENSDORFF) who are of
Jewish ancestry, were descendants of Suessel (Jekusiel?) [ben] Hirsch, a merchant
in Frensdorf, a village near Bamberg, Bavaria, who was born ca 1650.

The Frensdorf family are Levites.

One extensive branch is descended >from Rabbi Michael [ben Meir/Marum]
FRENSDORFF of Hamburg and Hannover. The line had many rabbis, scholars, and even an
Episcopal bishop. There was a branch who studied medicine in Heidelberg and
practiced in Bamberg. One Captain FRENSDORF was a hero on the winning side of
the Battle of Waterloo (not sure if he's related)

A number of branches came to the USA in the mid-1800's. One branch lived in
Syracuse, NY, one large branch settled in the Great Lakes region and became
prominent in agrobusiness and politics.

I have much information and would appreciate more so that I can link
together the various trees that I have. Of course, I'll supply info in return.

Michael Bernet, New York