Dear Cousins,
I've tried on a number of occasions without success to navigate the
Berlin Address book
(<http://adressbuch.zlb.de/>;http://adressbuch.zlb.de/). I don't read
German, & the English on the site doesn't help with actually using
the site. Can someone either spell it out for me,
or look up a furniture store called "SALAMON & SALAMON", make a
picture and email it to me? It existed until c 1935, but I don't know
for how long.

Or also look up Aron HAM (married to Linka ERBER) in the residential
directory. For the years, all I know is that their daughter
Margarethe was born in Berlin in 1901.

Unless the response is of help to everyone, please email me at
sorlen@email.arizona.edu

Best, Steve Orlen Tucson AZ <sorlen@email.arizona.edu>

Dear Cousins,
I've tried on a number of occasions without success to navigate the
Berlin Address book
(<http://adressbuch.zlb.de/>;http://adressbuch.zlb.de/). I don't read
German, & the English on the site doesn't help with actually using
the site. Can someone either spell it out for me,
or look up a furniture store called "SALAMON & SALAMON", make a
picture and email it to me? It existed until c 1935, but I don't know
for how long.

Or also look up Aron HAM (married to Linka ERBER) in the residential
directory. For the years, all I know is that their daughter
Margarethe was born in Berlin in 1901.

Unless the response is of help to everyone, please email me at
sorlen@email.arizona.edu

Best, Steve Orlen Tucson AZ <sorlen@email.arizona.edu>

Greetings,

I thought you might like to know that I have placed online a
topographical map of Krakow and the surrounding areas, mostly
north and east of the city, i.e. as far north as Skala and
Slomniki, and as far east as Klimontow, Proszowice and Zabierzow.
One can easily see the names of the surrounding towns and more.
Please note that at least a third of the map, especially the
northern part, was once within the Russian Empire.

The one caveat is that this is a full map over 8 megabytes in size,
so slower computers might download this map very slowly. Once
downloaded, enlarge the map so it will be readable by whatever
means is available to you. Usually there is a gold enlargement
icon with four blue arrows in the bottom right corner of the photo
that you need to click on, or perhaps there is a magnifying glass
that appears. Whichever the case, this should make the map appear
much larger and clearer and easier to read. The map can be found at
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/maproom-4.htm . You will find the
Krakow map at the very bottom of the page on the left. I hope this
helps you in your research.

Regards,
Steve Lasky
New York
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This very detailed map -- watch for Jewish stars
marking Jewish sites! -- covers latitudes 50 00 to 50 15 and
longitudes 19 50 to 20 20. Klimontow, Proszowice, Skala, and
Slomniki, Poland, are located within the non-Galician northern
part of the map. For a sense of Krakow's proximity to the one-time
Austrian-Russian border, see the map of Galicia on the Gesher
Galicia web site -- http://www.feefhs.org/maps/AH/ah-galic.html .

Greetings,

I thought you might like to know that I have placed online a
topographical map of Krakow and the surrounding areas, mostly
north and east of the city, i.e. as far north as Skala and
Slomniki, and as far east as Klimontow, Proszowice and Zabierzow.
One can easily see the names of the surrounding towns and more.
Please note that at least a third of the map, especially the
northern part, was once within the Russian Empire.

The one caveat is that this is a full map over 8 megabytes in size,
so slower computers might download this map very slowly. Once
downloaded, enlarge the map so it will be readable by whatever
means is available to you. Usually there is a gold enlargement
icon with four blue arrows in the bottom right corner of the photo
that you need to click on, or perhaps there is a magnifying glass
that appears. Whichever the case, this should make the map appear
much larger and clearer and easier to read. The map can be found at
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/maproom-4.htm . You will find the
Krakow map at the very bottom of the page on the left. I hope this
helps you in your research.

Regards,
Steve Lasky
New York
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This very detailed map -- watch for Jewish stars
marking Jewish sites! -- covers latitudes 50 00 to 50 15 and
longitudes 19 50 to 20 20. Klimontow, Proszowice, Skala, and
Slomniki, Poland, are located within the non-Galician northern
part of the map. For a sense of Krakow's proximity to the one-time
Austrian-Russian border, see the map of Galicia on the Gesher
Galicia web site -- http://www.feefhs.org/maps/AH/ah-galic.html .

Dear Neil:

Have you done the following:

1. Searched Malcom Stern's book on early American Jewish families which is
on-line?

2. Contacted the American Jewish Historical Society in NY?

3. Contacted the Blacksburg Museum or county historical society?

4. Contacted the library at Virginia Tech which is located in Blacksburg as
it should have a good selection of material on 19th Cen. Blacksburg
inhabitants.

Unfortunately, the 1860 Census for Blacksburg does not have any of the
family noted there, although it does have two other "German" families who
are probably Jewish. Also, the 1860 Census for Richmond does not have them
listed either, but does have numerous other "German" families.

By the way, Loew Emanuel (or Herman Loeb) who you say was born in 1825 could
not have had children: Rosalie born in 1826-29 or Caroline (Gutel) born in
1829 as you stated.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net

Dear Neil:

Have you done the following:

1. Searched Malcom Stern's book on early American Jewish families which is
on-line?

2. Contacted the American Jewish Historical Society in NY?

3. Contacted the Blacksburg Museum or county historical society?

4. Contacted the library at Virginia Tech which is located in Blacksburg as
it should have a good selection of material on 19th Cen. Blacksburg
inhabitants.

Unfortunately, the 1860 Census for Blacksburg does not have any of the
family noted there, although it does have two other "German" families who
are probably Jewish. Also, the 1860 Census for Richmond does not have them
listed either, but does have numerous other "German" families.

By the way, Loew Emanuel (or Herman Loeb) who you say was born in 1825 could
not have had children: Rosalie born in 1826-29 or Caroline (Gutel) born in
1829 as you stated.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net

The Cambroman page for gf Jacob Granat (Jakol Granat) has a bold dark line
drawn through passengers #1 to 20 and the notation "not travelling"
Apparently these passengers were accommodated a week later on the Merion.
On EIDB the 20 "not traveling" passengers on the Cambroman sheet are
not indexed, (I tested several) however the 10 "traveling" passengers
are indexed. You can find the sheet on EIDB by searching for one of the
indexed passengers on Steve Morse's White form; Berel Cohn. It
looks like the people doing the indexing for EIDB omitted manifested
persons who did not make the voyage, something I hadn't known before,
although this practice may not have been followed throughout the
project.

David Rosen
Boston, MA

JWasserst@aol.com wrote:

I found my grandfather, Jacob Granat, in the Ellis Island database. He

sailed on the S.S. Merion which left Antwerp November 16, 1907 and arrived at
Ellis Island on November 29, 1907. Just recently I found my grandfather listed
on another ship's manifest. This ship was the S.S. Cambroman which left
Antwerp on November 9, 1907 and arrived at Ellis Island on November 24, 1907.
The other passengers on that page of the Merion's manifest were also listed on
the Cambroman's manifest. Obviously they couldn't have sailed on 2
different ships at the same time. Did something happen to the Cambroman and
all the passengers were then transferred to the Merion?>>

The Cambroman page for gf Jacob Granat (Jakol Granat) has a bold dark line
drawn through passengers #1 to 20 and the notation "not travelling"
Apparently these passengers were accommodated a week later on the Merion.
On EIDB the 20 "not traveling" passengers on the Cambroman sheet are
not indexed, (I tested several) however the 10 "traveling" passengers
are indexed. You can find the sheet on EIDB by searching for one of the
indexed passengers on Steve Morse's White form; Berel Cohn. It
looks like the people doing the indexing for EIDB omitted manifested
persons who did not make the voyage, something I hadn't known before,
although this practice may not have been followed throughout the
project.

David Rosen
Boston, MA

JWasserst@aol.com wrote:

I found my grandfather, Jacob Granat, in the Ellis Island database. He

sailed on the S.S. Merion which left Antwerp November 16, 1907 and arrived at
Ellis Island on November 29, 1907. Just recently I found my grandfather listed
on another ship's manifest. This ship was the S.S. Cambroman which left
Antwerp on November 9, 1907 and arrived at Ellis Island on November 24, 1907.
The other passengers on that page of the Merion's manifest were also listed on
the Cambroman's manifest. Obviously they couldn't have sailed on 2
different ships at the same time. Did something happen to the Cambroman and
all the passengers were then transferred to the Merion?>>

I responded earlier to some of you when the Canadian Library site for
passenger arrivals was announced. I said then that these appear to be book
lists (a good resource to be sure) but not the actual manifests. I know
because I have copies of two of the actual manifest pages and they are not the
same as the list I found on the Canadian Archive site.

I would like to point out to those of you searching for passenger arrivals
to Canadian ports, that in addition to the Canadian records, there are filmed
manifests at NARA in Washington D.C. I accessed the films through my local
Family History Center in suburban Philadelphia, PA.

I have just located my order receipts >from the FHC which lists the actual
film numbers. When I punched them in on the FHC website it brought up the
following:
___________________
Film or fiche number 1561094
Film/fiche search results
St. Albans District manifest records of aliens arriving >from foreign
contiguous territory : arrivals at
Canadian border ports >from January 1895 to June 30, 1954 ; Indexes
(Soundex), 1895-1952 United States. Immigration and Naturalization Service

1 title matching the film number.
__________________________________________________

However, when I brought up the film notes for the actual title of this film
group, it shows only the the soundex portion, not the manifests. I am
reasonably certain I found the actual (with the name of the ship, date, etc)
manifest on this particular film. That said, I had just begun genealogy and
to my regret I had not yet learned the importance of citing my sources.

The consensus >from the Canadians, to my first posting on this subject, was
that these films contains only manifests for those immigrants whose stated
destinations were in the U.S. I cannot speak with certainty that this is not
the case, but at the time I thought I was looking at a complete manifest. I
searched these films in 1991 when I was beginning my research and found both
of my grandfathers arriving at Saint John, New Brunswick in 1902, within a two
week period, so I only have in my possession those pertinent pages. Both were
listed pages on pages with assengers going to the U.S., however there was at
least one exception whose destination was listed as Haverhill, Ont.

I should point out that I searched the films by date and found no
corresponding index or soundex for these manifests. I do think that all of you
(Canadians included) searching for ancestors arriving in Canada take a look at
these U.S. films. Especially, since you can now locate the passenger through
the Canadian Library database, you will have a reasonably decent shot at
finding the additional ships manifest without too much hassle.

Maybe one of JGS groups in Canada can take a look at a varity of the U.S.
films and determine if there were indeed passengers listed whose end
destination was in Canada.

Lois Sernoff [Philadelphia, PA, USA]

From: israel@math.ubc.ca
Date: 22 Nov 2006 16:54:46 -0800
X-Message-Number: 1

Alan Greenberg wrote:

The collectionscanada site mentioned below does not allow searching
by name, but some records are now indexed. Specifically, arrivals

go to http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager

I came across a very important documentary microfilm series taken >from the
Military Science Archive at the Russian State Military History Archive.

It is entitled: "Russian Archives, The Napoleonic Wars, 1805-1815".

A description of the contents of the microfilm can be found at:

http://www.gale.com/servlet/ItemDetailServlet?region=9&;imprint=745
&titleCode=PSM9&type=3&id=187686

This microfilm can be obtained for a cost, so this is a one time posting
about it. I have no connection to this at all. In all probability, the
microfilm can also be found in some major public or university libraries.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net

I responded earlier to some of you when the Canadian Library site for
passenger arrivals was announced. I said then that these appear to be book
lists (a good resource to be sure) but not the actual manifests. I know
because I have copies of two of the actual manifest pages and they are not the
same as the list I found on the Canadian Archive site.

I would like to point out to those of you searching for passenger arrivals
to Canadian ports, that in addition to the Canadian records, there are filmed
manifests at NARA in Washington D.C. I accessed the films through my local
Family History Center in suburban Philadelphia, PA.

I have just located my order receipts >from the FHC which lists the actual
film numbers. When I punched them in on the FHC website it brought up the
following:
___________________
Film or fiche number 1561094
Film/fiche search results
St. Albans District manifest records of aliens arriving >from foreign
contiguous territory : arrivals at
Canadian border ports >from January 1895 to June 30, 1954 ; Indexes
(Soundex), 1895-1952 United States. Immigration and Naturalization Service

1 title matching the film number.
__________________________________________________

However, when I brought up the film notes for the actual title of this film
group, it shows only the the soundex portion, not the manifests. I am
reasonably certain I found the actual (with the name of the ship, date, etc)
manifest on this particular film. That said, I had just begun genealogy and
to my regret I had not yet learned the importance of citing my sources.

The consensus >from the Canadians, to my first posting on this subject, was
that these films contains only manifests for those immigrants whose stated
destinations were in the U.S. I cannot speak with certainty that this is not
the case, but at the time I thought I was looking at a complete manifest. I
searched these films in 1991 when I was beginning my research and found both
of my grandfathers arriving at Saint John, New Brunswick in 1902, within a two
week period, so I only have in my possession those pertinent pages. Both were
listed pages on pages with assengers going to the U.S., however there was at
least one exception whose destination was listed as Haverhill, Ont.

I should point out that I searched the films by date and found no
corresponding index or soundex for these manifests. I do think that all of you
(Canadians included) searching for ancestors arriving in Canada take a look at
these U.S. films. Especially, since you can now locate the passenger through
the Canadian Library database, you will have a reasonably decent shot at
finding the additional ships manifest without too much hassle.

Maybe one of JGS groups in Canada can take a look at a varity of the U.S.
films and determine if there were indeed passengers listed whose end
destination was in Canada.

Lois Sernoff [Philadelphia, PA, USA]

From: israel@math.ubc.ca
Date: 22 Nov 2006 16:54:46 -0800
X-Message-Number: 1

Alan Greenberg wrote:

The collectionscanada site mentioned below does not allow searching
by name, but some records are now indexed. Specifically, arrivals

go to http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager

I came across a very important documentary microfilm series taken >from the
Military Science Archive at the Russian State Military History Archive.

It is entitled: "Russian Archives, The Napoleonic Wars, 1805-1815".

A description of the contents of the microfilm can be found at:

http://www.gale.com/servlet/ItemDetailServlet?region=9&;imprint=745
&titleCode=PSM9&type=3&id=187686

This microfilm can be obtained for a cost, so this is a one time posting
about it. I have no connection to this at all. In all probability, the
microfilm can also be found in some major public or university libraries.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net

I'm looking for an advice >from an Expert in search in Michigan... For a long
time, whatever route I take, I'm running into a brick wall in Michigan.
Here's some background.

Isak SELDES along with two sisters Eva and Sara arrived at New York in 1906.
Soon, he changed his given name and was listed as Edward in 1910 Census in
Pennsylvania. Next mention of him is in a WWI Draft Registration Card. Now
he's living in Detroit, filled a Declaration (presumably for
Naturalization), owns a pharmacy, married and has two children. No names of
wife or children, however, he mentioned his "poor health" as obstruction to
service. No other information about Isak/Edward SELDES.
I could not find his Naturalization record, no listing in 1920 or 1930
Censuses, no SSDI, no Michigan Death Index, no marriage record, nothing...

Any advice you may have will be appreciated.

Ilya Zeldes
Fort Myers, Florida

I'm looking for an advice >from an Expert in search in Michigan... For a long
time, whatever route I take, I'm running into a brick wall in Michigan.
Here's some background.

Isak SELDES along with two sisters Eva and Sara arrived at New York in 1906.
Soon, he changed his given name and was listed as Edward in 1910 Census in
Pennsylvania. Next mention of him is in a WWI Draft Registration Card. Now
he's living in Detroit, filled a Declaration (presumably for
Naturalization), owns a pharmacy, married and has two children. No names of
wife or children, however, he mentioned his "poor health" as obstruction to
service. No other information about Isak/Edward SELDES.
I could not find his Naturalization record, no listing in 1920 or 1930
Censuses, no SSDI, no Michigan Death Index, no marriage record, nothing...

Any advice you may have will be appreciated.

Ilya Zeldes
Fort Myers, Florida

Hello All

I had tried finding my great-great grandfathers(Sam Steiner)
naturalization papers about a year ago, but unfortunately the papers I
got back were on an entirely different person. Just recently I came
across a file card for a petition for a Sam Steiner. What told me I
finally found him was that the occupation and address listed matched
the 1900 census I already had for him.

So, I sent away for his papers and I just got them in the mail today. I
am so excited to have finally found the papers pertaining to him. Now

from all the census's I have it states he was >from Hungary, but his

papers say Austria. Which Is right?

Sam Steiner arrived in New York on 7/4/1891, followed later in 1892-93
by his wiife Cecelia & 2 children Theresa(my great-grandmother) and
joseph who I believe died as a young child after arriving. According to
his papers it states he was >from Teplitz, Austria. Can anyone give me
any information about that. Was that town/village in Austria or
Hungary.

Sam Steiner was naturalized in november of 1899, and one of the
witnesses who vouched for him was an Adolf Steiner. I am hoping this
was either a father or brother of Sam. Its so exciting to have another
lead to trace. Anyways if anyone can give me a little background
information on the Town/Village called Teplitz and how to find any
records >from that area. Are there archives?

Sarah Greenberg(USA)
sacredsisters3@aol.com

Hello All

I had tried finding my great-great grandfathers(Sam Steiner)
naturalization papers about a year ago, but unfortunately the papers I
got back were on an entirely different person. Just recently I came
across a file card for a petition for a Sam Steiner. What told me I
finally found him was that the occupation and address listed matched
the 1900 census I already had for him.

So, I sent away for his papers and I just got them in the mail today. I
am so excited to have finally found the papers pertaining to him. Now

from all the census's I have it states he was >from Hungary, but his

papers say Austria. Which Is right?

Sam Steiner arrived in New York on 7/4/1891, followed later in 1892-93
by his wiife Cecelia & 2 children Theresa(my great-grandmother) and
joseph who I believe died as a young child after arriving. According to
his papers it states he was >from Teplitz, Austria. Can anyone give me
any information about that. Was that town/village in Austria or
Hungary.

Sam Steiner was naturalized in november of 1899, and one of the
witnesses who vouched for him was an Adolf Steiner. I am hoping this
was either a father or brother of Sam. Its so exciting to have another
lead to trace. Anyways if anyone can give me a little background
information on the Town/Village called Teplitz and how to find any
records >from that area. Are there archives?

Sarah Greenberg(USA)
sacredsisters3@aol.com

Sarah Greenberg writes that she is very excited at having found new details on
her great-great grandfather Sam Steiner: <Sam Steiner arrived in New York on
7/4/1891, followed later in 1892-93 by his wife Cecelia & 2 children Theresa
(my great-grandmother) and Joseph who I believe died as a young child after
arriving. According to his papers it states he was >from Teplitz, Austria. Can
anyone give me any information about that.>

Peter Zavon has given us a good explanation on the term "Austria"
in that era. However he did not stress that there is a special SIG which deals
with Austria per-se as well as Bohemia and Moravia [now the Czech Republic] -

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ Sarah may find family links if she joins
our SIG.

Teplitz indeed a town in Bohemia and became a very famous spa in the erstwhile
Habsburg Empire. Teplitz, also known as Teplice-Sanov or Teplitz-Schonau
[German] is about 75 km NW of Prague and a small Jewish community had settled
there already in the 15th century.

However there is *another* Teplitz, known as Teplice, Rajecke, Slovakia [see
footnote]: http://www.trencin.sk/22149 [nb the synagogue of Trencin!].

That Teplitz would be dealt with by the Hungarian SIG:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/

This was also a famous spa town and would also be called Teplitz in German.
... world-famous spa, known >from the 14th century .....spa house Hamman, built
in year 1888 - 1890 in the style of oriental Buildings.

So unless we have more facts, we cannot come to a definite conclusion about
which Teplitz this STEINER family came from. I suspect it is the latter, as
Samuel STEINER's entry on the ship's manifest gives his nationality as
*Hungarian*, which would be consistent with the Slovakian town. Immigrants from
Bohemia are often designated as: Bohemia or Bohemian. Please note that the
Samuel STEINER, I found arrived on 7 October 1891 not 7 April 1891. He too was
alone - a merchant,aged 34.

Here is a link to the really magnificent synagogue in Teplitz, Bohemia -
Architects: Wilhelm Stiassny and Hermann Rudolph. Fate: destroyed 1938. Read
all about the architectural history of this building here, where you find
photographs: http://kurrein.com/teplitz.htm

Celia Male [U.K.]

Foonote: Avigdor Ben-Dov recently asked about the Slovakian town by name of
Rajec.

Sarah Greenberg writes that she is very excited at having found new details on
her great-great grandfather Sam Steiner: <Sam Steiner arrived in New York on
7/4/1891, followed later in 1892-93 by his wife Cecelia & 2 children Theresa
(my great-grandmother) and Joseph who I believe died as a young child after
arriving. According to his papers it states he was >from Teplitz, Austria. Can
anyone give me any information about that.>

Peter Zavon has given us a good explanation on the term "Austria"
in that era. However he did not stress that there is a special SIG which deals
with Austria per-se as well as Bohemia and Moravia [now the Czech Republic] -

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ Sarah may find family links if she joins
our SIG.

Teplitz indeed a town in Bohemia and became a very famous spa in the erstwhile
Habsburg Empire. Teplitz, also known as Teplice-Sanov or Teplitz-Schonau
[German] is about 75 km NW of Prague and a small Jewish community had settled
there already in the 15th century.

However there is *another* Teplitz, known as Teplice, Rajecke, Slovakia [see
footnote]: http://www.trencin.sk/22149 [nb the synagogue of Trencin!].

That Teplitz would be dealt with by the Hungarian SIG:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/

This was also a famous spa town and would also be called Teplitz in German.
... world-famous spa, known >from the 14th century .....spa house Hamman, built
in year 1888 - 1890 in the style of oriental Buildings.

So unless we have more facts, we cannot come to a definite conclusion about
which Teplitz this STEINER family came from. I suspect it is the latter, as
Samuel STEINER's entry on the ship's manifest gives his nationality as
*Hungarian*, which would be consistent with the Slovakian town. Immigrants from
Bohemia are often designated as: Bohemia or Bohemian. Please note that the
Samuel STEINER, I found arrived on 7 October 1891 not 7 April 1891. He too was
alone - a merchant,aged 34.

Here is a link to the really magnificent synagogue in Teplitz, Bohemia -
Architects: Wilhelm Stiassny and Hermann Rudolph. Fate: destroyed 1938. Read
all about the architectural history of this building here, where you find
photographs: http://kurrein.com/teplitz.htm

Celia Male [U.K.]

Foonote: Avigdor Ben-Dov recently asked about the Slovakian town by name of
Rajec.

Shalom,

Following the message I've posted few days ago, the message contained a typo -
the date of death of Daniel BENEVET was Feb. 1973, and not 1923.

Thanks again,

Oded Mann,
Israel
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I wrote:

Subject: Daniel BENEVET - N.Y. Death Index + Obit lookup

Need help - lookup at Death Index + Obit of Daniel BENEVET (possible
alternative spelling - BENEVETT or BENAVET).

Born about 1886 in Izmir (Turkey).
According to SSD: died at Feb 1923; SSN - 060-20-3547; Last Residence
- Brooklyn, Kings, NY.

According to the 1930 U.S. federal census, he had a wife called Ester.
They lived in Bronx, NY and had 3 children: Victoria (born at 1915),
David (1916) and Rose (1921).

According to the New York Groom Index, Daniel and Ester were married at 1912.

Shalom,

Following the message I've posted few days ago, the message contained a typo -
the date of death of Daniel BENEVET was Feb. 1973, and not 1923.

Thanks again,

Oded Mann,
Israel
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I wrote:

Subject: Daniel BENEVET - N.Y. Death Index + Obit lookup

Need help - lookup at Death Index + Obit of Daniel BENEVET (possible
alternative spelling - BENEVETT or BENAVET).

Born about 1886 in Izmir (Turkey).
According to SSD: died at Feb 1923; SSN - 060-20-3547; Last Residence
- Brooklyn, Kings, NY.

According to the 1930 U.S. federal census, he had a wife called Ester.
They lived in Bronx, NY and had 3 children: Victoria (born at 1915),
David (1916) and Rose (1921).

According to the New York Groom Index, Daniel and Ester were married at 1912.