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Re: Marriage Rituals Questions #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

some stray thoughts, that might be helpful:

1) although there are customs, reality often takes precedence. just like today, i think weddings were held wherever the families decided to hold them. various reasons can be a preference for a particular venue (synagogue or banquet hall), an elderly relative who isn't well enough to travel, or just about anything else.

2) the primary requirement for witnesses at a jewish wedding is that they be (religiously) observant and reliable, and are often provided by the rabbi. in order to be impartial, it is almost preferable that they not be friends or family of the parties. often, the rabbi would use the same witnesses over and over again.


....... tom klein, toronto

"Jerry Zeisler" <jzeisler@email.com> wrote:

My great-great-grandparents, Eduard ZEISLER and Josephine UNGAR, were
married in May, 1850 in Eger by Rabbi Weiss. Eduard was living in Eger at
the time but Josephine was >from Gyongyos. I have several questions:

1. My understanding is that, based upon tradition, they would have been
married in the bride's town. Why then would they have married in Eger and
not Gyongyos?

2. Although her parents are named in the marriage record, the only witness
listed for the bride is a local man, Yosef Sugar, who also was a witness in
other marriages in Eger. Since Gyongyos is only 24 miles >from Eger, it would
seem to me that it would have been a fairly short journey between the towns
that a sibling or other close relative would have taken on such a special
occasion. I would love to read your speculations on what might have
happened.
[snip!]


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Marriage Rituals Questions #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

some stray thoughts, that might be helpful:

1) although there are customs, reality often takes precedence. just like today, i think weddings were held wherever the families decided to hold them. various reasons can be a preference for a particular venue (synagogue or banquet hall), an elderly relative who isn't well enough to travel, or just about anything else.

2) the primary requirement for witnesses at a jewish wedding is that they be (religiously) observant and reliable, and are often provided by the rabbi. in order to be impartial, it is almost preferable that they not be friends or family of the parties. often, the rabbi would use the same witnesses over and over again.


....... tom klein, toronto

"Jerry Zeisler" <jzeisler@email.com> wrote:

My great-great-grandparents, Eduard ZEISLER and Josephine UNGAR, were
married in May, 1850 in Eger by Rabbi Weiss. Eduard was living in Eger at
the time but Josephine was >from Gyongyos. I have several questions:

1. My understanding is that, based upon tradition, they would have been
married in the bride's town. Why then would they have married in Eger and
not Gyongyos?

2. Although her parents are named in the marriage record, the only witness
listed for the bride is a local man, Yosef Sugar, who also was a witness in
other marriages in Eger. Since Gyongyos is only 24 miles >from Eger, it would
seem to me that it would have been a fairly short journey between the towns
that a sibling or other close relative would have taken on such a special
occasion. I would love to read your speculations on what might have
happened.
[snip!]


FIDLER/FIEDLER #germany

Elaine Kahn <ebkahn@...>
 

Hello,
My late grandmother (Carola MAINZER KAHN of Lorsch/Hesse and then Canada)
told me that her mother, Rosa NEUBERGER MAINZER (b.Friedelsheim, d.
Brooklin, Ontario, Canada) worked, before her marriage, in an aunt's home in
Switzerland. All I know is the aunt's surname, which was pronounced FIEDLER.

If you know of a link, please be in touch. Successful New Year!

Elaine Kahn CITY ? State ?

Please sign every email to this list with your full name plus city and state
or nation of residence.


Re: shetl near Kiev #general

sherwindu <sherwindu@...>
 

Hi Cindy,

My grandfather was originally >from Ritzuv. He left for the USA in 1911, by
himself. My family was >from Lubin, close to Ritzuv. I know this because my
grandfather took a two day wagon ride >from Ritzuv to check out my grandmother
before he married her. The rest of our family left Lubin shortly after WWI. I
have not been able to locate either Lubin or Ritzuv on any maps. I know they
were not far >from Shepetovka and possibly Polenoy, both much bigger towns on
the railway line.

I have heard the Germans leveled Lubin, and nothing is left, not even the Jewish
cemetary. My grandfather's name was Schuchman, and he appears on the Ellis
Island record as Erucham. Any information on either Ritziv and Lubin would be
of interest.

Sherwin Dubren

Cindy POTTER Taylor wrote:

After a lengthy conversation with a long lost cousin I finally found out the
name of the village/hamlet/shetl/town of a branch of my Boston family. He
didn't know how to spell it so we both came up with phonics of Ritzuv.
He did say that it was very near Kiev.


Re; Broide and Kopolowitz from ILYA and DOLHINOV #lithuania

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

Anntte Blum asked about ILYA and DOLHINOV. I created sites for the two
places with much information and pictures;
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/dolhinov/dolhinov.html
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/ilja/ilja.html

I also translated some of the Yizkor books for both places;
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/ilya/ilya.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/dolginovo/dolginovo.html
and the names of your relatives are on the list of perished.

I am in touch with some native survivors who now live in Israel.
amongst them are relatives of the Broide and Kopolowitz families of
Ilya, Dolhinov and near by Vileika

Love to include your uncle and aunts' pictures and information.
Thank you very much,

Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles

My mother's sisters lived in ILYA. ROCHEL and Zeev Wolf
Brochin and three children. MARA FAYGE and Yaakov Broide and six children.
My grandparents, who came to America, were Nachama (nee Kopolowitz)
and Yitzchak Yosef Epstein >from Ilya. My mother also had a brother AVROHOM BER EPSTEIN, who was a shohet in Dolhinov.....
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond to Eilat privately if you have photos
for her.


German SIG #Germany FIDLER/FIEDLER #germany

Elaine Kahn <ebkahn@...>
 

Hello,
My late grandmother (Carola MAINZER KAHN of Lorsch/Hesse and then Canada)
told me that her mother, Rosa NEUBERGER MAINZER (b.Friedelsheim, d.
Brooklin, Ontario, Canada) worked, before her marriage, in an aunt's home in
Switzerland. All I know is the aunt's surname, which was pronounced FIEDLER.

If you know of a link, please be in touch. Successful New Year!

Elaine Kahn CITY ? State ?

Please sign every email to this list with your full name plus city and state
or nation of residence.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: shetl near Kiev #general

sherwindu <sherwindu@...>
 

Hi Cindy,

My grandfather was originally >from Ritzuv. He left for the USA in 1911, by
himself. My family was >from Lubin, close to Ritzuv. I know this because my
grandfather took a two day wagon ride >from Ritzuv to check out my grandmother
before he married her. The rest of our family left Lubin shortly after WWI. I
have not been able to locate either Lubin or Ritzuv on any maps. I know they
were not far >from Shepetovka and possibly Polenoy, both much bigger towns on
the railway line.

I have heard the Germans leveled Lubin, and nothing is left, not even the Jewish
cemetary. My grandfather's name was Schuchman, and he appears on the Ellis
Island record as Erucham. Any information on either Ritziv and Lubin would be
of interest.

Sherwin Dubren

Cindy POTTER Taylor wrote:

After a lengthy conversation with a long lost cousin I finally found out the
name of the village/hamlet/shetl/town of a branch of my Boston family. He
didn't know how to spell it so we both came up with phonics of Ritzuv.
He did say that it was very near Kiev.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re; Broide and Kopolowitz from ILYA and DOLHINOV #lithuania

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

Anntte Blum asked about ILYA and DOLHINOV. I created sites for the two
places with much information and pictures;
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/dolhinov/dolhinov.html
http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/ilja/ilja.html

I also translated some of the Yizkor books for both places;
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/ilya/ilya.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/dolginovo/dolginovo.html
and the names of your relatives are on the list of perished.

I am in touch with some native survivors who now live in Israel.
amongst them are relatives of the Broide and Kopolowitz families of
Ilya, Dolhinov and near by Vileika

Love to include your uncle and aunts' pictures and information.
Thank you very much,

Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles

My mother's sisters lived in ILYA. ROCHEL and Zeev Wolf
Brochin and three children. MARA FAYGE and Yaakov Broide and six children.
My grandparents, who came to America, were Nachama (nee Kopolowitz)
and Yitzchak Yosef Epstein >from Ilya. My mother also had a brother AVROHOM BER EPSTEIN, who was a shohet in Dolhinov.....
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond to Eilat privately if you have photos
for her.


FW: CHAMITA :::: MUSZKAT #general

Eric Svirskis
 

Dear Dina,

I noticed MUSZKAT/MUSZKET in your posting. I am searching for MUSZKATBLAT if
that is of any help.

"My" Muszkatblats come >from Lithuania & are believed to have perished in the
Shoah although some of the family (OKUN) is in the USA.

What also may be of interest is that I have had some correspondence with
another JGen member (surname is MUSHKAT: please forgive me for not giving
her name & address without permission). I'll send her a BCC of this.

Our mutuality is that her husband's family was Muszkatblat or similar & was
truncated to Mushkat, although we have not (yet?) found any family in
common.

Good luck with your searches. If you have anything on Muszkat that was
Muszkatblat or just would like to compare notes, please get in touch.

Eric Svirskis, Melbourne, Australia.
svire@melbpc.org.au

|-----Original Message-----
|From: Dina Hill [mailto:dina_hill@bellsouth.net]
|
|Hi,
|My name is Dina Aptekar Hill. I just rejoined Jewishgen after a few years,
|and I am hoping to break past that brick wall I've been up against for so
|long. I have been searching for others with the surname of Chamita. My mom
|was Genia Szyfra CHAMITA born in Chrzanow Lubelski Poland. The only other
|relative she had that survived the Holocaust was her cousin Abraham Chamita
|in Bondi, Australia. He died last year. He didn't have any children. Her
|brother survived as well, but he doesn't go by the Chamita name.
|
|Tonight I searched the White Pages and found one Chamita in Virginia. I
|had
|to pay to get the address and phone number for this particular person. Is
|Anderea a woman's name??
|
|I was hoping that people around the world out of the United States could
|please look up the Chamita name and let me know (personally via e-mail) of
|anyone with that name that I can write to. With the help of Jewishgenners,
|I was able to speak to my cousin Abraham before he died. Perhaps one of
|you can come through for me once again.
|
|Dina Aptekar Hill

Interested in: FLEXER, GANTOVNIK, OKUN, MUSZKATBLAT, SRAGOWITZ, SVIRSKIS or
SWIRSKY (Panevesz/Panecevysz), & ZILBERMAN (Widze/Vidzy).


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FW: CHAMITA :::: MUSZKAT #general

Eric Svirskis
 

Dear Dina,

I noticed MUSZKAT/MUSZKET in your posting. I am searching for MUSZKATBLAT if
that is of any help.

"My" Muszkatblats come >from Lithuania & are believed to have perished in the
Shoah although some of the family (OKUN) is in the USA.

What also may be of interest is that I have had some correspondence with
another JGen member (surname is MUSHKAT: please forgive me for not giving
her name & address without permission). I'll send her a BCC of this.

Our mutuality is that her husband's family was Muszkatblat or similar & was
truncated to Mushkat, although we have not (yet?) found any family in
common.

Good luck with your searches. If you have anything on Muszkat that was
Muszkatblat or just would like to compare notes, please get in touch.

Eric Svirskis, Melbourne, Australia.
svire@melbpc.org.au

|-----Original Message-----
|From: Dina Hill [mailto:dina_hill@bellsouth.net]
|
|Hi,
|My name is Dina Aptekar Hill. I just rejoined Jewishgen after a few years,
|and I am hoping to break past that brick wall I've been up against for so
|long. I have been searching for others with the surname of Chamita. My mom
|was Genia Szyfra CHAMITA born in Chrzanow Lubelski Poland. The only other
|relative she had that survived the Holocaust was her cousin Abraham Chamita
|in Bondi, Australia. He died last year. He didn't have any children. Her
|brother survived as well, but he doesn't go by the Chamita name.
|
|Tonight I searched the White Pages and found one Chamita in Virginia. I
|had
|to pay to get the address and phone number for this particular person. Is
|Anderea a woman's name??
|
|I was hoping that people around the world out of the United States could
|please look up the Chamita name and let me know (personally via e-mail) of
|anyone with that name that I can write to. With the help of Jewishgenners,
|I was able to speak to my cousin Abraham before he died. Perhaps one of
|you can come through for me once again.
|
|Dina Aptekar Hill

Interested in: FLEXER, GANTOVNIK, OKUN, MUSZKATBLAT, SRAGOWITZ, SVIRSKIS or
SWIRSKY (Panevesz/Panecevysz), & ZILBERMAN (Widze/Vidzy).


Fate of man sent to Siberia - OSIPOVA #general

steve@...
 

Greetings,

A man I met today is married to a woman whose father was taken by the
Russian police in Ajerbajan in 1936 (he was an anti-Communist) and sent to
Siberia. The surname was OSIPOVA.
Does anybody have an idea of whether it is possible to find out any
information about his fate?
Thanks.

Steve Lasky
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Fate of man sent to Siberia - OSIPOVA #general

steve@...
 

Greetings,

A man I met today is married to a woman whose father was taken by the
Russian police in Ajerbajan in 1936 (he was an anti-Communist) and sent to
Siberia. The surname was OSIPOVA.
Does anybody have an idea of whether it is possible to find out any
information about his fate?
Thanks.

Steve Lasky
New York


Ramat Gan look up - ELTERMAN #general

steve@...
 

Greetings,

I nice man I met has lost touch with his elderly cousin who should
currently be living in Ramat Gan in Israel. I am hoping that somebody
either knows her or can do a look up in a phone book and let me know the
results. Her name is Ruchel ELTERMAN (nee Kadish.)
Thank you so much.

Regards,
Steven Lasky
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ramat Gan look up - ELTERMAN #general

steve@...
 

Greetings,

I nice man I met has lost touch with his elderly cousin who should
currently be living in Ramat Gan in Israel. I am hoping that somebody
either knows her or can do a look up in a phone book and let me know the
results. Her name is Ruchel ELTERMAN (nee Kadish.)
Thank you so much.

Regards,
Steven Lasky
New York


Re: Chalova/Cracow #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Bobbe Mootchnik"wrote

I always thought that my gr-mother was >from Crakow, Pol. but now see
Chalova listed on some documents. Can anyone clarify this for me?
Many thanks.
The correct village name is Szalowa. Town was (is) located in Gorlice
district of Krakow Province. It had tiny Jewish population of just five
souls before WWII. City of Krakow lies at the east in about 50 miles
distance.

Krakow was probably listed in your family records or memory as the largest
town in this region.
Near Szalowa in approx. 6 miles radius located other prominent Jewish towns:
Bobowa, the seat of Halberstam Chasisdic dynasty with their famous yeshivah,
and Gorlice.

Regards,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Chalova/Cracow #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Bobbe Mootchnik"wrote

I always thought that my gr-mother was >from Crakow, Pol. but now see
Chalova listed on some documents. Can anyone clarify this for me?
Many thanks.
The correct village name is Szalowa. Town was (is) located in Gorlice
district of Krakow Province. It had tiny Jewish population of just five
souls before WWII. City of Krakow lies at the east in about 50 miles
distance.

Krakow was probably listed in your family records or memory as the largest
town in this region.
Near Szalowa in approx. 6 miles radius located other prominent Jewish towns:
Bobowa, the seat of Halberstam Chasisdic dynasty with their famous yeshivah,
and Gorlice.

Regards,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta


Matzo Ball-Cracker Meal & Bialys #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

While I don't have any insights on matzo balls made out of cracker meal, if
you are interested in learning about food as an evocation of Eastern
European pre-Holocaust culture, I can heartily recommend Mimi Sheraton's
"The Bialy Eaters: The Story of a Bread and a Lost World," which traces the
history of this delicious treat by merging the memories of the elderly men
and women who survived pogroms and WWII with good old- fashioned
research....not just scholarly, but olfactory and gustatory.

Ms. Sheraton's book opens by posing the question: What would a bialy taste
like in Bialystok?

Beginning her quest by placing an in the Bialystok Shtimme Yiddish newspaper
for stories about the Bialy and the place where it originated, she embarks
on a culinary pilgrimage-->from Kossar's Bialy Bakery on New York's Lower
East Side to Miami Beach, Poland, France, Israel, Texas, and
Australia.Throughout her journey she details the customs surrounding its
making and the scents, smells and standards involved in creating (and
judging) the perfect one.

Although food is its focus, one reviewer called it "the best history book I
ever read," for its ability to bring back to life this lost Polish world and
evoke childhood nostalgic recollections of food and "the endurance of the
simplest traditions" involving its preparation, which, as we all know, like
ancient family recipes handed down on faded paper, are among the most
powerful memories we have, especially at holiday time.

The book may be in many public libraries and is easily found by searching
online under title and author.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Louis ROSENBLATT's son Barney #general

Georgia Haken <gwhaken@...>
 

Dear JewishGenners,

I have been searching for the descendants of my husbands great
grandfather Louis ROSENBLATT. I have been successful with the help
of JewishGen and the Internet with many but several are still among
the missing. Louis was born in Hesse-Kassel about 1825 and emigrated
to the United States in 1845. Louis lived in Cincinnati, Ohio,
Cleveland, Ohio and New York City where he died in 1924. He had 14
children with two wives. His tenth and last child by his first wife,
Bertha STERNBERG, was Barney aka Barnet and Bernard. He was born
June 1875 in Cleveland Ohio. In 1898 he married Josie BIESENTHAL in
New York and was in Manhattan living on East 83rd Street in 1900.
Josie was the daughter of Herman BIESENTHAL and Julia KLINE. In 1910
they were still in Manhattan, living on Second Avenue. By 1930 he
had moved to 35th Street in Queens. He had five children: Herman
born May 1900, Julius born about 1905, David born in 1910, Beatrice
born about 1914 and Hazel born about 1917.

I would be happy to share information privately with anyone who is
interested in this ROSENBLATT family.

Georgia HAKEN Danbury, Connecticut

Researching ROSENBLATT & STERNBERG Hesse-Kassel, Cleveland and
Cincinnati Ohio, New York City : HEPPENHEIMER Eichtersheim, Baden:
PROPPER Bohemia: RUNKEL, BIESENTHAL,PLOTZ, HELBURN, WEINER New York City


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Matzo Ball-Cracker Meal & Bialys #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

While I don't have any insights on matzo balls made out of cracker meal, if
you are interested in learning about food as an evocation of Eastern
European pre-Holocaust culture, I can heartily recommend Mimi Sheraton's
"The Bialy Eaters: The Story of a Bread and a Lost World," which traces the
history of this delicious treat by merging the memories of the elderly men
and women who survived pogroms and WWII with good old- fashioned
research....not just scholarly, but olfactory and gustatory.

Ms. Sheraton's book opens by posing the question: What would a bialy taste
like in Bialystok?

Beginning her quest by placing an in the Bialystok Shtimme Yiddish newspaper
for stories about the Bialy and the place where it originated, she embarks
on a culinary pilgrimage-->from Kossar's Bialy Bakery on New York's Lower
East Side to Miami Beach, Poland, France, Israel, Texas, and
Australia.Throughout her journey she details the customs surrounding its
making and the scents, smells and standards involved in creating (and
judging) the perfect one.

Although food is its focus, one reviewer called it "the best history book I
ever read," for its ability to bring back to life this lost Polish world and
evoke childhood nostalgic recollections of food and "the endurance of the
simplest traditions" involving its preparation, which, as we all know, like
ancient family recipes handed down on faded paper, are among the most
powerful memories we have, especially at holiday time.

The book may be in many public libraries and is easily found by searching
online under title and author.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Louis ROSENBLATT's son Barney #general

Georgia Haken <gwhaken@...>
 

Dear JewishGenners,

I have been searching for the descendants of my husbands great
grandfather Louis ROSENBLATT. I have been successful with the help
of JewishGen and the Internet with many but several are still among
the missing. Louis was born in Hesse-Kassel about 1825 and emigrated
to the United States in 1845. Louis lived in Cincinnati, Ohio,
Cleveland, Ohio and New York City where he died in 1924. He had 14
children with two wives. His tenth and last child by his first wife,
Bertha STERNBERG, was Barney aka Barnet and Bernard. He was born
June 1875 in Cleveland Ohio. In 1898 he married Josie BIESENTHAL in
New York and was in Manhattan living on East 83rd Street in 1900.
Josie was the daughter of Herman BIESENTHAL and Julia KLINE. In 1910
they were still in Manhattan, living on Second Avenue. By 1930 he
had moved to 35th Street in Queens. He had five children: Herman
born May 1900, Julius born about 1905, David born in 1910, Beatrice
born about 1914 and Hazel born about 1917.

I would be happy to share information privately with anyone who is
interested in this ROSENBLATT family.

Georgia HAKEN Danbury, Connecticut

Researching ROSENBLATT & STERNBERG Hesse-Kassel, Cleveland and
Cincinnati Ohio, New York City : HEPPENHEIMER Eichtersheim, Baden:
PROPPER Bohemia: RUNKEL, BIESENTHAL,PLOTZ, HELBURN, WEINER New York City