Date   

Re: Hebrew chronology #dna

MARC M COHEN <marc-cohen25@...>
 

On 2006.11.16, Danielle James <daniandw@aanet.com.au> wrote:

Also, were the original Hebrews a bronze-age people? I am very
interested in the chronology of the Hebraic line.
Danielle,

Unfortunately for your interest, there is probably little or no
established connection between the technologies of civilizations and
their DNA.

Insofar as I understand, basically, all the post-neolithic
civilizations of the Mediterranean were "bronze age" cultures until
the Carthaginians and the Romans became the first iron age cultures.
One of the main advantages the Romans had in conquest and building
their empire was their mastery of ironwork and iron weapons.
Apparently, the first iron mines and iron foundries were in Italy,
especially in Venice.

As a comparative data point, the Indians/native Americans of North
America were a neolithic culture, with flint arrowheads and tools --
never developing on their own the bronze age technology of the period
of Abraham or the ancient (Homeric) Greeks/Trojans.

Marc M. Cohen,
Palo Alto, CA


DNA Research #DNA Re: Hebrew chronology #dna

MARC M COHEN <marc-cohen25@...>
 

On 2006.11.16, Danielle James <daniandw@aanet.com.au> wrote:

Also, were the original Hebrews a bronze-age people? I am very
interested in the chronology of the Hebraic line.
Danielle,

Unfortunately for your interest, there is probably little or no
established connection between the technologies of civilizations and
their DNA.

Insofar as I understand, basically, all the post-neolithic
civilizations of the Mediterranean were "bronze age" cultures until
the Carthaginians and the Romans became the first iron age cultures.
One of the main advantages the Romans had in conquest and building
their empire was their mastery of ironwork and iron weapons.
Apparently, the first iron mines and iron foundries were in Italy,
especially in Venice.

As a comparative data point, the Indians/native Americans of North
America were a neolithic culture, with flint arrowheads and tools --
never developing on their own the bronze age technology of the period
of Abraham or the ancient (Homeric) Greeks/Trojans.

Marc M. Cohen,
Palo Alto, CA


Re: Hebrew chronology #dna

Vivian Kahn
 

On 2006.11.16, Danielle James <daniandw@aanet.com.au> wrote:

Also, were the original Hebrews a bronze-age people? I am very
interested in the chronology of the Hebraic line.
Here's a brief chronology that may be of interest. For more info go
to http://www.jewishmuseum.net/collections/permanent.html

Early Bronze Age (Canaanite)

* 3200-2200 BCE
* Cultural contacts with Egypt, Mesopotamia, Anatolia, Cyprus
* Fortified towns

Middle Bronze Age.

* 2250-1570 BCE
* 2000 BCE -- Beginning of Jewish history; Abraham leaves Ur
* Period of wanderings of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob
* 1700-1600 BCE -- Joseph in Pharaoh's Court; Hebrews migrate to
Egypt
* Pottery shaped by hand

Late Bronze Age

* 1500-1400 BCE -- Egyptian rule
* Canaan under Egyptian dominance
* Hebrews enslaved in Egypt
* 1200-1100 BCE -- Moses leads the Hebrews out of Egypt,
wanderings in the Sinai Desert, Hebrews conquer Canaanites
(Passover); giving of Law at Mt. Sinai
* Beginning of alphabet in writing
* Philistines invade Canaan

Iron Age

* 1150-586 BCE
* King Saul--first King of the Jews
* circa 1000 BCE--King David
* 975 BCE--King Solomon
* First Temple erected in Jerusalem
* Jewish material culture becomes distinct
* Hebrew Kingdom split
* Israel (north) capital at Samaria
* 772 BCE--north capital destroyed by Assyrians, population
exiled, "lost" tribes
* Judah (south) capital at Jerusalem
* 586 BCE--conquered by Babylonians, First Temple destroyed

Persian to Roman Period

* 500-300 BCE--Babylonian Empire conquered by Persians under Cyrus
* Jews return to Jerusalem, rebuild Temple
* 301-200 BCE--Jews ruled by Ptolemies, Egyptian-Greek

Hellenistic Period

* 198 BCE--Ptolemies overthrown by Seleucids, Syrian-Greeks
* 167 BCE--Revolt against the Seleucids led by the Macabees (war
lasted 25 years) Jews recapture Jerusalem and rededicate Temple
* 63 BCE--Judea occupied by the Romans, becomes a Roman province
* Second Temple enlarged and beautified by Herod (Dead Sea
Scrolls >from this period)
* 66-73 CE--Second Temple destroyed in response to Jewish revolt
* 132-135 CE--Jews dispersed >from Judea; continued Jewish unrest

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


DNA Research #DNA Re: Hebrew chronology #dna

Vivian Kahn
 

On 2006.11.16, Danielle James <daniandw@aanet.com.au> wrote:

Also, were the original Hebrews a bronze-age people? I am very
interested in the chronology of the Hebraic line.
Here's a brief chronology that may be of interest. For more info go
to http://www.jewishmuseum.net/collections/permanent.html

Early Bronze Age (Canaanite)

* 3200-2200 BCE
* Cultural contacts with Egypt, Mesopotamia, Anatolia, Cyprus
* Fortified towns

Middle Bronze Age.

* 2250-1570 BCE
* 2000 BCE -- Beginning of Jewish history; Abraham leaves Ur
* Period of wanderings of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob
* 1700-1600 BCE -- Joseph in Pharaoh's Court; Hebrews migrate to
Egypt
* Pottery shaped by hand

Late Bronze Age

* 1500-1400 BCE -- Egyptian rule
* Canaan under Egyptian dominance
* Hebrews enslaved in Egypt
* 1200-1100 BCE -- Moses leads the Hebrews out of Egypt,
wanderings in the Sinai Desert, Hebrews conquer Canaanites
(Passover); giving of Law at Mt. Sinai
* Beginning of alphabet in writing
* Philistines invade Canaan

Iron Age

* 1150-586 BCE
* King Saul--first King of the Jews
* circa 1000 BCE--King David
* 975 BCE--King Solomon
* First Temple erected in Jerusalem
* Jewish material culture becomes distinct
* Hebrew Kingdom split
* Israel (north) capital at Samaria
* 772 BCE--north capital destroyed by Assyrians, population
exiled, "lost" tribes
* Judah (south) capital at Jerusalem
* 586 BCE--conquered by Babylonians, First Temple destroyed

Persian to Roman Period

* 500-300 BCE--Babylonian Empire conquered by Persians under Cyrus
* Jews return to Jerusalem, rebuild Temple
* 301-200 BCE--Jews ruled by Ptolemies, Egyptian-Greek

Hellenistic Period

* 198 BCE--Ptolemies overthrown by Seleucids, Syrian-Greeks
* 167 BCE--Revolt against the Seleucids led by the Macabees (war
lasted 25 years) Jews recapture Jerusalem and rededicate Temple
* 63 BCE--Judea occupied by the Romans, becomes a Roman province
* Second Temple enlarged and beautified by Herod (Dead Sea
Scrolls >from this period)
* 66-73 CE--Second Temple destroyed in response to Jewish revolt
* 132-135 CE--Jews dispersed >from Judea; continued Jewish unrest

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


Hebrew Maven Brief Phrase Thank you #general

Susan Goldsmith
 

Dear Genners,

With lightning speed or faster, I have my answer to my request for translation
of a brief phrase. It is Happy Ending! My cheeks are a bit red as I see that
of course it was Ha pei ending with a Yiddishe touch.
Thanks to all who helped.
Best Regards,
Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area US


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew Maven Brief Phrase Thank you #general

Susan Goldsmith
 

Dear Genners,

With lightning speed or faster, I have my answer to my request for translation
of a brief phrase. It is Happy Ending! My cheeks are a bit red as I see that
of course it was Ha pei ending with a Yiddishe touch.
Thanks to all who helped.
Best Regards,
Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area US


Re: More STERNGLANZ mysteries (STERNBERG) #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Barbara Zimmer has various STERNGLANZ mysteries to solve. She is particularly
mystified about Elias and Cecilia [variant spellings] STERNGLANZ who are very
elusive. I hope this will help.

Although I have yet to find Elias STERNGLANZ in Manhattan, I have found him and
his brothers at home in Krakow [Galicia]. His parents were: Mojzesz Juda
STERNGLANTZ dob {Sep 26, 1809} and Jachetta GOLDBERG/ELIASZOWICZ dob 1811-12
married 1834:

Elias STERNGLANTZ [sic] was born in 1834; his brother Marcus in 1836 and Jakob
in 1842. There was another brother Isaak born in 1850 who probably died in
childhood. The whole family tree can be seen here:
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Krakow/Families/Sternglantz.html

The tree starts in Krakow with Markus STERNGLANTZ 1754 (son of Abram Ickowicz
1722 + Gitel c 1740). You can also see Elias' birth on Jri-pl:

STERNGLANTZ Elias 1834 B 463 718914

Here are more facts, gleaned >from the IGI index, about the three brothers who
all emigrated to the USA:

1. Elias STERNGLANZ and Caecilia nee STERNBERG had a daughter Julie/Julia in
1876 in Manhattan; she married Isaac HARRIS on 18 Nov 1902 in Manhattan.
The marriage certificate of Julie STERNGLANZ should solve the mystery of her
parents' whereabouts.

2. Jacob STERNGLANZ and Rebecca nee BAUMGARTEN were the parents of another
Elias STERNGLANZ dob 25 0ct 1881 [Manhattan] who can be seen by googling as an
architect or property developer. He travelled on the Ile de France with Ethel
in Jan 1956 and died in California in May 1965 {SSDI}.

3. Marcus [Marx] STERNGLANZ was married to Fanny WETTSTEIN. Their daughter
Antonie was born on Nov 5 1869. She does not appear in the census of 1880, so
sadly she probably died. Daughter Emma was born on 4 March 1875. She can be
seen in the the census of 1880 as Emma STERUGLANZ. Her older sister, Henriette,
married Joseph VORHAUS in Manhattan on 8 March 1898

There are obviously another STERNGLANTZ family in Krakow as a younger
generation Max/Marx STERNGLANZ married Delphine Dey on 15 June 1884 in
Manhattan and his father is given as Wolf Mayer STERNGLANZ and his mother as
Malka Isaak. His place of birth is given as Frankan, Osterich which must be a
transcription error for Krakow/Krakau. On 12 July 1899, Max STERNGLANZ and
Delphine DEY had a daughter Malka. This seems an very long gap since their
marriage. Note Malka is also the name of Max's mother.

There is also Rose STERNGLANZ [born in Austria], daughter of Morris and Anna
ANGLER who marries Adolf JUNKER in Manhattan on 3 June 1895.

Sadly, there are many STERNGLANZ holocaust victims we remember here today. Many
have POTs.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: More STERNGLANZ mysteries (STERNBERG) #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Barbara Zimmer has various STERNGLANZ mysteries to solve. She is particularly
mystified about Elias and Cecilia [variant spellings] STERNGLANZ who are very
elusive. I hope this will help.

Although I have yet to find Elias STERNGLANZ in Manhattan, I have found him and
his brothers at home in Krakow [Galicia]. His parents were: Mojzesz Juda
STERNGLANTZ dob {Sep 26, 1809} and Jachetta GOLDBERG/ELIASZOWICZ dob 1811-12
married 1834:

Elias STERNGLANTZ [sic] was born in 1834; his brother Marcus in 1836 and Jakob
in 1842. There was another brother Isaak born in 1850 who probably died in
childhood. The whole family tree can be seen here:
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dan/genealogy/Krakow/Families/Sternglantz.html

The tree starts in Krakow with Markus STERNGLANTZ 1754 (son of Abram Ickowicz
1722 + Gitel c 1740). You can also see Elias' birth on Jri-pl:

STERNGLANTZ Elias 1834 B 463 718914

Here are more facts, gleaned >from the IGI index, about the three brothers who
all emigrated to the USA:

1. Elias STERNGLANZ and Caecilia nee STERNBERG had a daughter Julie/Julia in
1876 in Manhattan; she married Isaac HARRIS on 18 Nov 1902 in Manhattan.
The marriage certificate of Julie STERNGLANZ should solve the mystery of her
parents' whereabouts.

2. Jacob STERNGLANZ and Rebecca nee BAUMGARTEN were the parents of another
Elias STERNGLANZ dob 25 0ct 1881 [Manhattan] who can be seen by googling as an
architect or property developer. He travelled on the Ile de France with Ethel
in Jan 1956 and died in California in May 1965 {SSDI}.

3. Marcus [Marx] STERNGLANZ was married to Fanny WETTSTEIN. Their daughter
Antonie was born on Nov 5 1869. She does not appear in the census of 1880, so
sadly she probably died. Daughter Emma was born on 4 March 1875. She can be
seen in the the census of 1880 as Emma STERUGLANZ. Her older sister, Henriette,
married Joseph VORHAUS in Manhattan on 8 March 1898

There are obviously another STERNGLANTZ family in Krakow as a younger
generation Max/Marx STERNGLANZ married Delphine Dey on 15 June 1884 in
Manhattan and his father is given as Wolf Mayer STERNGLANZ and his mother as
Malka Isaak. His place of birth is given as Frankan, Osterich which must be a
transcription error for Krakow/Krakau. On 12 July 1899, Max STERNGLANZ and
Delphine DEY had a daughter Malka. This seems an very long gap since their
marriage. Note Malka is also the name of Max's mother.

There is also Rose STERNGLANZ [born in Austria], daughter of Morris and Anna
ANGLER who marries Adolf JUNKER in Manhattan on 3 June 1895.

Sadly, there are many STERNGLANZ holocaust victims we remember here today. Many
have POTs.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Immigration to Canada #general

SelmaN@...
 

Did ships come to Canadian ports during the early 1900s >from Mediterranean
ports - in particular 1913? If yes, can someone tell me how and where I can
find the names of the ships?
Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving! Selma

Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@aol.com
Researching: WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia)
NEUBAUER, BERGER (Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia)
HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus);
SINGER/ZINGER, NEWMAN (Kishinev); BRODSKY (Tirashpol - Moldova)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Immigration to Canada #general

SelmaN@...
 

Did ships come to Canadian ports during the early 1900s >from Mediterranean
ports - in particular 1913? If yes, can someone tell me how and where I can
find the names of the ships?
Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving! Selma

Selma Neubauer
Jenkintown, PA USA
(outside of Philadelphia)
SelmaN@aol.com
Researching: WAGMAN, PEPPER, GALOON, SCHMOISH, DEUTSCH, ZUCK (Kolki, Turiysk,
Krichilsk, Olyka, Ludmir - Volhynia Gubernia)
NEUBAUER, BERGER (Radziechowie/Radekhov - Galicia)
HOROWITZ (Oshmyany - Belarus);
SINGER/ZINGER, NEWMAN (Kishinev); BRODSKY (Tirashpol - Moldova)


More: When the Soviets allowed in tourists from Israel after WWII #general

HeyJudy123@...
 

As I said when I posted my first comment to the original query, if I'm wrong
in my theory, some other Digest participant is sure to let me know.

Indeed, Peter Zavon has done just that.

I had said, incorrectly it turns out, that the Soviets did not permit
American tourists into their country during the half-century between their
Revolution and 1967.

Mr. Zavon points out that Lee Harvey Oswald went there in the early 1960s.
According to Wikipedia, this is correct--but Wikipedia also says that Oswald
went to the USSR with the desire to renounce his American citizenry and
become a Soviet citizen instead. It strikes me that this probably took
Oswald's visa application to the Soviets out of the realm of the ordinary
tourist.

Mr. Zavon mentions that his sister went to the USSR with an official
delegation in 1977, which is ten years after the date that I recall tourism to
the USSR resuming. This was a personal memory of mine, based on family events,
rather than a researched fact; regardless, a trip in 1977 does not disprove my
personal theory that tourism to that country >from western nations was not
permitted until 1967.

Anyway, I'm sorry for any confusion, but none of this discussion addresses
the original query, which was whether tourists >from Israel were permitted into
the USSR in the years following World War II.

Judy SEGAL
New York City USA

Searching SEGAL (alt spell'gs), SIMON/ SYMAN, KORN, KLEIN, ROGOFF, ROBBINS
(possibly RABINOWITZ) of "Ilya" Belarus, Vilna, St. Petersburg, Paris, London/
Liverpool/ Dublin, New York City/ Brooklyn, The Bronx; BAYERN, HERSKOVITS
(alt spell'gs), ROSENBERG/ ROZENBERG, RAPPOPORT, HABER, KOHN of "Kosice" &
"Huncovce," Slovakia, Budapest, New York, Cleveland (Ohio); SCHWARTZBERG (alt
spell'gs), YAGUSTOW of Ukraine, New York, Los Angeles


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen More: When the Soviets allowed in tourists from Israel after WWII #general

HeyJudy123@...
 

As I said when I posted my first comment to the original query, if I'm wrong
in my theory, some other Digest participant is sure to let me know.

Indeed, Peter Zavon has done just that.

I had said, incorrectly it turns out, that the Soviets did not permit
American tourists into their country during the half-century between their
Revolution and 1967.

Mr. Zavon points out that Lee Harvey Oswald went there in the early 1960s.
According to Wikipedia, this is correct--but Wikipedia also says that Oswald
went to the USSR with the desire to renounce his American citizenry and
become a Soviet citizen instead. It strikes me that this probably took
Oswald's visa application to the Soviets out of the realm of the ordinary
tourist.

Mr. Zavon mentions that his sister went to the USSR with an official
delegation in 1977, which is ten years after the date that I recall tourism to
the USSR resuming. This was a personal memory of mine, based on family events,
rather than a researched fact; regardless, a trip in 1977 does not disprove my
personal theory that tourism to that country >from western nations was not
permitted until 1967.

Anyway, I'm sorry for any confusion, but none of this discussion addresses
the original query, which was whether tourists >from Israel were permitted into
the USSR in the years following World War II.

Judy SEGAL
New York City USA

Searching SEGAL (alt spell'gs), SIMON/ SYMAN, KORN, KLEIN, ROGOFF, ROBBINS
(possibly RABINOWITZ) of "Ilya" Belarus, Vilna, St. Petersburg, Paris, London/
Liverpool/ Dublin, New York City/ Brooklyn, The Bronx; BAYERN, HERSKOVITS
(alt spell'gs), ROSENBERG/ ROZENBERG, RAPPOPORT, HABER, KOHN of "Kosice" &
"Huncovce," Slovakia, Budapest, New York, Cleveland (Ohio); SCHWARTZBERG (alt
spell'gs), YAGUSTOW of Ukraine, New York, Los Angeles


Seeking: RIEG Family #general

Yossi Steinblatt <ysteinblatt@...>
 

Dear Genners!
My mother's family was REIG. her father Mortko (Mordchai) was born in Chocin
Galicia now Golyn in Ukraine.
My grandfather and my grandmother were killed by the Nazis. My mother always
told me that all her family was killed in the holocaust.
When I began to make my genealogy research what I had was only a marriage
certificate of my grandparents and I learned >from it where my grandfather
was born and the names of his parents Leib-Kalman and Rivkah
(Kammer). After making some research in the Jewishgen Databases and other
sources I found out that Reig was a unique surname and all the Riegs are
from the same origin. They used to live in Kalusz,Ivano-
Frankivsk (Stanislawow)' Golyn (Chocin) and Novesiolo, all places are today
in Ukraine (East Galicia before).
The great surprise that I found out was that some of the Riegs immigrated to
the U.S.A. in the beginning of the 20th century. One of them Abraham
Rieg >from Chocin (maybe a cousin) immigrated in the year 1902.
My question is: Does anyone know anything about the Rieg descendants in the
U.S.A.? Please help me to find them.

Hanna Steinblatt
My E-mail: hanna_st@hotmail.co.il

MODERATOR NOTE: One of JewishGen's most heavily visited sites is the
JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) and family connections are being made more
and more frequently. If you have not already done so, please log onto
www.jewishgen.org/jgff and using the ENTER/MODIFY procedure enter and
register all the surnames of interest to your family research. As you
learn about more names and places of origin, they can always be added,
but only **you** can keep your own listings up to date.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking: RIEG Family #general

Yossi Steinblatt <ysteinblatt@...>
 

Dear Genners!
My mother's family was REIG. her father Mortko (Mordchai) was born in Chocin
Galicia now Golyn in Ukraine.
My grandfather and my grandmother were killed by the Nazis. My mother always
told me that all her family was killed in the holocaust.
When I began to make my genealogy research what I had was only a marriage
certificate of my grandparents and I learned >from it where my grandfather
was born and the names of his parents Leib-Kalman and Rivkah
(Kammer). After making some research in the Jewishgen Databases and other
sources I found out that Reig was a unique surname and all the Riegs are
from the same origin. They used to live in Kalusz,Ivano-
Frankivsk (Stanislawow)' Golyn (Chocin) and Novesiolo, all places are today
in Ukraine (East Galicia before).
The great surprise that I found out was that some of the Riegs immigrated to
the U.S.A. in the beginning of the 20th century. One of them Abraham
Rieg >from Chocin (maybe a cousin) immigrated in the year 1902.
My question is: Does anyone know anything about the Rieg descendants in the
U.S.A.? Please help me to find them.

Hanna Steinblatt
My E-mail: hanna_st@hotmail.co.il

MODERATOR NOTE: One of JewishGen's most heavily visited sites is the
JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) and family connections are being made more
and more frequently. If you have not already done so, please log onto
www.jewishgen.org/jgff and using the ENTER/MODIFY procedure enter and
register all the surnames of interest to your family research. As you
learn about more names and places of origin, they can always be added,
but only **you** can keep your own listings up to date.


Travel to Russia #general

tedk4713@earthlink.net <tedk4713@...>
 

US citizens could visit Russia starting around 1952, I believe. PanAm flew
to Moscow in the '50's and an aoutfit called General tours, still in
business, ran group tours there. One of my wife's aunts went to Ruissia
about 1958 and an old friend went there in 1961. One of my Israeli cousins
went, around 1959, when Krushchev was opening things up a bit; when she
tried to visit relatives in Moscow she was turned away and told never to
come back or contact them again. I'm told that in the early days Americans
were a curiosity, and the stories of bugged hotel rooms and beiong followed
by the KCB were true for the most part, but people, Jews included, were
able to see the high spots even if they were not able to contact ordinary
Russians very easily.And politics was never an issue if you kept your mouth
shut.

Ted Kotzin
tedk4713@earthlink.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Travel to Russia #general

tedk4713@earthlink.net <tedk4713@...>
 

US citizens could visit Russia starting around 1952, I believe. PanAm flew
to Moscow in the '50's and an aoutfit called General tours, still in
business, ran group tours there. One of my wife's aunts went to Ruissia
about 1958 and an old friend went there in 1961. One of my Israeli cousins
went, around 1959, when Krushchev was opening things up a bit; when she
tried to visit relatives in Moscow she was turned away and told never to
come back or contact them again. I'm told that in the early days Americans
were a curiosity, and the stories of bugged hotel rooms and beiong followed
by the KCB were true for the most part, but people, Jews included, were
able to see the high spots even if they were not able to contact ordinary
Russians very easily.And politics was never an issue if you kept your mouth
shut.

Ted Kotzin
tedk4713@earthlink.net


Hebrew maven needed brief phrase #general

Susan Goldsmith
 

Dear Genners,

Please help me translate the Hebrew phrase in the sentence below:

He would tell drawn out stories, like a novel in the newspaper,
and with the <hey pey yud -- ayin nun dalet> like in the movies in
Tevchik Yaffa's movie theater.

It has been suggested that the first word in hebrew 'Hapi" "the pi" could
mean "the mouth" (peh is mouth, and pi is mouth when connected to
another word, i.e. the mouth or opening of something.

Thank you very much,
Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area, US
Coordinator, Jonava Lithuania Yizkor Book Translation

Susan Goldsmith
Piedmont CA
Researching GOLDSHMIDT,GITTES(GADIE,GADYE,GIDUT,GDUD), F(P)ILVINSKY,
SHOLOM(SHLOM)(SHLIOM)OVICH, DRUSKOVICH,LANGMAN,NEKRITZ, RANDMAN,
ROCHELSON,ZHIZSMORSKI,ZUKHOVSKI Lithuania:Seta,Kaunas,Jonava, Ukmerge,
Vandziogala,Kedainiai,Krakes,Adutiskis,Zemaiciu Naumiestes
TZOREF,GOLDSHMIT,AMORON,LANGMAN,LUKMAN,RANDMAN,ROZANSKY,RUSEK,
TOBIAS,TRIBUKH,ZILBOVITZ Israel

MODERATOR NOTE: Searching List truncated to six lines, per Jewishgen
policy


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew maven needed brief phrase #general

Susan Goldsmith
 

Dear Genners,

Please help me translate the Hebrew phrase in the sentence below:

He would tell drawn out stories, like a novel in the newspaper,
and with the <hey pey yud -- ayin nun dalet> like in the movies in
Tevchik Yaffa's movie theater.

It has been suggested that the first word in hebrew 'Hapi" "the pi" could
mean "the mouth" (peh is mouth, and pi is mouth when connected to
another word, i.e. the mouth or opening of something.

Thank you very much,
Susan Goldsmith
San Francisco Bay Area, US
Coordinator, Jonava Lithuania Yizkor Book Translation

Susan Goldsmith
Piedmont CA
Researching GOLDSHMIDT,GITTES(GADIE,GADYE,GIDUT,GDUD), F(P)ILVINSKY,
SHOLOM(SHLOM)(SHLIOM)OVICH, DRUSKOVICH,LANGMAN,NEKRITZ, RANDMAN,
ROCHELSON,ZHIZSMORSKI,ZUKHOVSKI Lithuania:Seta,Kaunas,Jonava, Ukmerge,
Vandziogala,Kedainiai,Krakes,Adutiskis,Zemaiciu Naumiestes
TZOREF,GOLDSHMIT,AMORON,LANGMAN,LUKMAN,RANDMAN,ROZANSKY,RUSEK,
TOBIAS,TRIBUKH,ZILBOVITZ Israel

MODERATOR NOTE: Searching List truncated to six lines, per Jewishgen
policy


Finding an article in the Jewish Forward #general

lauragottlieb@juno.com <lauragottlieb@...>
 

I had a similar problem: trying to find an article in the Jewish
Forward about my immigrant grandfather's suicide in Chicago, an event
that left
his wife and three children penniless in a country they had emigrated
to only 6 weeks before (grandfather had arrived a couple of years
before). I knew the date of his death, but can not read Yiddish--the
language of the Jewish Forward. However, I had heard >from family
members that photos of the bereaved family accompanied the article. So
I ordered the Jewish Forward microfilm on interlibrary loan through my
own library (you can do this too!), identified the article by
recognizing the people in the photo, photocopied the article,
and--luckily--found someone to translate it >from the Yiddish. The
article revealed a wealth of detail about the family's circumstances as
well as identifying some relatives who lived in Chicago that I hadn't
known about. Since you have a date range, I would urge you to order
the microfilm on interlibrary loan and look at it with someone who
reads Yiddish. Good luck with your research!
--Best wishes,

Laura Moss Gottlieb
USA

Searching for DANKER, Glazmanka/Dankere, Latvia; Liverpool, England;
Chicago, Illinois; MOSS/MATKOVICH, Mogilev, Belarus; Liverpool,
England; Chicago, Illinois; FRIEDKIN/FRIDKIN, Gomel, Belarus;
Liverpool, England; Chicago, Illinois


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding an article in the Jewish Forward #general

lauragottlieb@juno.com <lauragottlieb@...>
 

I had a similar problem: trying to find an article in the Jewish
Forward about my immigrant grandfather's suicide in Chicago, an event
that left
his wife and three children penniless in a country they had emigrated
to only 6 weeks before (grandfather had arrived a couple of years
before). I knew the date of his death, but can not read Yiddish--the
language of the Jewish Forward. However, I had heard >from family
members that photos of the bereaved family accompanied the article. So
I ordered the Jewish Forward microfilm on interlibrary loan through my
own library (you can do this too!), identified the article by
recognizing the people in the photo, photocopied the article,
and--luckily--found someone to translate it >from the Yiddish. The
article revealed a wealth of detail about the family's circumstances as
well as identifying some relatives who lived in Chicago that I hadn't
known about. Since you have a date range, I would urge you to order
the microfilm on interlibrary loan and look at it with someone who
reads Yiddish. Good luck with your research!
--Best wishes,

Laura Moss Gottlieb
USA

Searching for DANKER, Glazmanka/Dankere, Latvia; Liverpool, England;
Chicago, Illinois; MOSS/MATKOVICH, Mogilev, Belarus; Liverpool,
England; Chicago, Illinois; FRIEDKIN/FRIDKIN, Gomel, Belarus;
Liverpool, England; Chicago, Illinois