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INTRO (again) - Breslau families #germany

Erik Hirschfeld <erik@...>
 

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Dear group,
This is the third time I am "new" to this group, but as I have advanced a
bit on my Zuelz origins I thought I would introduce myself again. See my
previous introductions in the archive for my other, Breslau, families.

In Zuelz I can trace back my origins to Salomon Israel RIESENFELD born
1773-05-03 married to Babette SOHRAUER born 1788-10-14 and Schampse David
BOSS born 1777-09-29 married to Handel of unknown surname born 1782-05-17.
In Ratibor, Karl BLOCK born 1823 married to Friedrieke LANGE (LANGER)(their
daughter married into BOSS).

My primary research goals now are to find out as much as possible on their
descendants and also to verify which daughter of Salomon I. Riesenfeld
(Esther or Rachel) is in my family. The relations with the other heads of
households named Riesenfeld in Zulz in the 1812 census is another priority,
and I am in touch with those researchers of this name listed on JGFF. I do
not have access to microfilms where I live,in Malmo, Sweden: I am of
"career" age with small children, which limits my time for genealogy research.
Kind regards,

Erik Hirschfeld Malmo Sweden erik@...

Re: Sources of 'Eliescu' #general

tom klein <bossman@...>
 

As Robert Israel has already pointed out, "-cu" is a Romanian suffix meaning
"son of". Therefore, although bet hatfusot's answer was correct, their advice
to look for "Elias" (or its variants) as a surname probably isn't.

What I wanted to add is that "Elias" is the Hungarian version of the prophet
Elijah, and so you might expect to find it among the ethnically Hungarian
communities of Transylvania, which came under Romanian control following world
war 2.

Their suggestion to research it as a Sefardic name seems odd, unless you have
any other reason to believe that the family was Sefardic. Although there were
sefardic communities in Bulgaria and Turkey, for example, there were, in any,
in hungary. some people mistake the "nusah sefarad" (an ashkenazic liturgy with
a few, small changes) of the hassidic movement with the real "minhag sefarad",
and the hassidic movement flourished in transylvania, but they were never real
sefardim.

....... Tom Klein, Toronto

"MIKA" <h9750477@...> wrote:

I have a problem: I'm searching my sources . The surname is ELIESCU or ILIESCU.
I found nothing, except of Elias. An answer >from Bet Hatfuthot to my
question if maybe the "cu" is a local (Romanian) suffix was correct! I was
told to research the surname Eliyahu and Elias- the Greek name of Eliyahu,
at the Sefaradic names. I can do it but I don't know if I can be sure about
this information because suddenlly I'v got a new surname and I have to
research at the Sefaradic genealogy when all my life I know that I am at
the "Ashcenajim" side.

Can somebody give me a strength about it so I can be sure that I'm
searching the right sources?

German SIG #Germany INTRO (again) - Breslau families #germany

Erik Hirschfeld <erik@...>
 

MODERATOR NOTE: Welcome back Mr. Hirschfeld and thanks for the revised "INTRO".
To all GerSIG members who leave the group and then return: It would be helpful
for us to know that you are a returning member when you "resubscribe".
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explain the reason it might help us make membership mechanics easier for all.
Thanks, MODERATOR

Dear group,
This is the third time I am "new" to this group, but as I have advanced a
bit on my Zuelz origins I thought I would introduce myself again. See my
previous introductions in the archive for my other, Breslau, families.

In Zuelz I can trace back my origins to Salomon Israel RIESENFELD born
1773-05-03 married to Babette SOHRAUER born 1788-10-14 and Schampse David
BOSS born 1777-09-29 married to Handel of unknown surname born 1782-05-17.
In Ratibor, Karl BLOCK born 1823 married to Friedrieke LANGE (LANGER)(their
daughter married into BOSS).

My primary research goals now are to find out as much as possible on their
descendants and also to verify which daughter of Salomon I. Riesenfeld
(Esther or Rachel) is in my family. The relations with the other heads of
households named Riesenfeld in Zulz in the 1812 census is another priority,
and I am in touch with those researchers of this name listed on JGFF. I do
not have access to microfilms where I live,in Malmo, Sweden: I am of
"career" age with small children, which limits my time for genealogy research.
Kind regards,

Erik Hirschfeld Malmo Sweden erik@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Sources of 'Eliescu' #general

tom klein <bossman@...>
 

As Robert Israel has already pointed out, "-cu" is a Romanian suffix meaning
"son of". Therefore, although bet hatfusot's answer was correct, their advice
to look for "Elias" (or its variants) as a surname probably isn't.

What I wanted to add is that "Elias" is the Hungarian version of the prophet
Elijah, and so you might expect to find it among the ethnically Hungarian
communities of Transylvania, which came under Romanian control following world
war 2.

Their suggestion to research it as a Sefardic name seems odd, unless you have
any other reason to believe that the family was Sefardic. Although there were
sefardic communities in Bulgaria and Turkey, for example, there were, in any,
in hungary. some people mistake the "nusah sefarad" (an ashkenazic liturgy with
a few, small changes) of the hassidic movement with the real "minhag sefarad",
and the hassidic movement flourished in transylvania, but they were never real
sefardim.

....... Tom Klein, Toronto

"MIKA" <h9750477@...> wrote:

I have a problem: I'm searching my sources . The surname is ELIESCU or ILIESCU.
I found nothing, except of Elias. An answer >from Bet Hatfuthot to my
question if maybe the "cu" is a local (Romanian) suffix was correct! I was
told to research the surname Eliyahu and Elias- the Greek name of Eliyahu,
at the Sefaradic names. I can do it but I don't know if I can be sure about
this information because suddenlly I'v got a new surname and I have to
research at the Sefaradic genealogy when all my life I know that I am at
the "Ashcenajim" side.

Can somebody give me a strength about it so I can be sure that I'm
searching the right sources?

Suwalki-Lomza BOF meeting scheduled during 26th Annual International Conference onJewish Genealogy to be held in New York City-August 13-18, 2006 #lithuania

Lillian Faffer
 

The Suwalki Lomza Birds of a Feather meeting has been scheduled on
Monday, August 14th in New York during the 26th Annual International
Conference on Jewish Genealogy. Researchers are welcome to bring lunch
with them to this meeting which will be held during the lunch break
(12:30P.M.-1:30 P.M.)

The meeting will cover

1.an update on recently completed indexing projects as well as projects
in progress by all groups with an interest in this area.

2. self introductions by each attendee by name with a brief statement of
the towns and families they are researching

3. sharing of research successes and problems as time permits.

I would appreciate hearing >from those researchers who are planning on
attending this meeting so that the conference assignment committee can
reserve a room of the appropriate size for our meeting.

Lillian Faffer-New York City
lfaffer@...>

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Suwalki-Lomza BOF meeting scheduled during 26th Annual International Conference onJewish Genealogy to be held in New York City-August 13-18, 2006 #lithuania

Lillian Faffer
 

The Suwalki Lomza Birds of a Feather meeting has been scheduled on
Monday, August 14th in New York during the 26th Annual International
Conference on Jewish Genealogy. Researchers are welcome to bring lunch
with them to this meeting which will be held during the lunch break
(12:30P.M.-1:30 P.M.)

The meeting will cover

1.an update on recently completed indexing projects as well as projects
in progress by all groups with an interest in this area.

2. self introductions by each attendee by name with a brief statement of
the towns and families they are researching

3. sharing of research successes and problems as time permits.

I would appreciate hearing >from those researchers who are planning on
attending this meeting so that the conference assignment committee can
reserve a room of the appropriate size for our meeting.

Lillian Faffer-New York City
lfaffer@...>

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

Varniai Vital Records #lithuania

Susan Cooper <suzecooper@...>
 

Jews of Varniai

Look up Varniai on the internet and you’ll find a wealth of
information about its famous seminary and cathedral. Very
little, if anything, is to be found about the contribution of
the Jewish traders, craftspeople and farmers (tenants probably
as Jews were not allowed to own land).

In the Jewish world, the town was well known for its scholars
many of whom were educated in the town’s own yeshiva which
opened in 1875. Later a “Talmud Torah” school opened and a
charitable institution called “Bikur Holim” was founded by Rabbi
Hanania. The town also had a “klois”, two “schtiblech” and a
famous old synagogue.

The Jewish population in 1897 was 1,226, although emigration to
America, Great Britain and South Africa had begun many years
before. My own grandfather came to Australia in 1880. There is a
rumour he caught the wrong boat because his other 13 siblings
and mother left a little later for New York.
There are 9000 records in the Lithuanian archives relating to
Jewish families in Varniai (Vorne) which are waiting to be
translated. Do you have family >from this town in north-western
Lithuania?

Please help us to learn as much as we can about Jewish life in
the region by donating $100 to enable us to begin the process
of translation of vital records >from Varniai.
$500 is all we need to get started.


Susan Cooper
suzecooper@...
Shtetl Coordinator, LitvakSIG Varniai Vital Records

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Contributions to this project may be made by using
the donor form linked >from the bottom of this message or digest.






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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Varniai Vital Records #lithuania

Susan Cooper <suzecooper@...>
 

Jews of Varniai

Look up Varniai on the internet and you’ll find a wealth of
information about its famous seminary and cathedral. Very
little, if anything, is to be found about the contribution of
the Jewish traders, craftspeople and farmers (tenants probably
as Jews were not allowed to own land).

In the Jewish world, the town was well known for its scholars
many of whom were educated in the town’s own yeshiva which
opened in 1875. Later a “Talmud Torah” school opened and a
charitable institution called “Bikur Holim” was founded by Rabbi
Hanania. The town also had a “klois”, two “schtiblech” and a
famous old synagogue.

The Jewish population in 1897 was 1,226, although emigration to
America, Great Britain and South Africa had begun many years
before. My own grandfather came to Australia in 1880. There is a
rumour he caught the wrong boat because his other 13 siblings
and mother left a little later for New York.
There are 9000 records in the Lithuanian archives relating to
Jewish families in Varniai (Vorne) which are waiting to be
translated. Do you have family >from this town in north-western
Lithuania?

Please help us to learn as much as we can about Jewish life in
the region by donating $100 to enable us to begin the process
of translation of vital records >from Varniai.
$500 is all we need to get started.


Susan Cooper
suzecooper@...
Shtetl Coordinator, LitvakSIG Varniai Vital Records

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Contributions to this project may be made by using
the donor form linked >from the bottom of this message or digest.






____________________________________________________
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360°: Your own space to share what you want with who you want!
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Suwalki-Lomza BOF meeting scheduled during 26th Annual International Conference onJewish Genealogy to be held in New York City-August 13-18, 2006 #poland

Lillian Faffer
 

The Suwalki Lomza Birds of a Feather meeting is scheduled on Monday,
August 14th in New York during the 26th Annual International
Conference on Jewish Genealogy. Researchers are welcome to bring lunch
with them to this meeting which will be held during the lunch break
(12:30P.M.-1:30 P.M.)

The meeting will cover:

1.an update on recently completed indexing projects as well as projects
in progress by all groups with an interest in this area.

2. self introductions by each attendee by name with a brief statement of
the towns and families they are researching

3. sharing of research successes and problems as time permits.

I would appreciate hearing >from those researchers who are planning on
attending this meeting so that the conference assignment committee can
reserve a room of the appropriate size for our meeting.

Lillian Faffer-New York City
lfaffer@...>

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

JRI Poland #Poland Suwalki-Lomza BOF meeting scheduled during 26th Annual International Conference onJewish Genealogy to be held in New York City-August 13-18, 2006 #poland

Lillian Faffer
 

The Suwalki Lomza Birds of a Feather meeting is scheduled on Monday,
August 14th in New York during the 26th Annual International
Conference on Jewish Genealogy. Researchers are welcome to bring lunch
with them to this meeting which will be held during the lunch break
(12:30P.M.-1:30 P.M.)

The meeting will cover:

1.an update on recently completed indexing projects as well as projects
in progress by all groups with an interest in this area.

2. self introductions by each attendee by name with a brief statement of
the towns and families they are researching

3. sharing of research successes and problems as time permits.

I would appreciate hearing >from those researchers who are planning on
attending this meeting so that the conference assignment committee can
reserve a room of the appropriate size for our meeting.

Lillian Faffer-New York City
lfaffer@...>

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

Fischman and Goldstein Satoraljauhely #hungary

Renate Bielefeld <renate.bielefeld@...>
 

Dear Siggers,
is anyone related to Rubin Goldstein or Eva Goldstein (born 1875 and 1877),
children of Eidel(Ida)nee Fischman;(mother nee
Deutsch); Nagy Klazmer, and Abraham Goldstein? They lived in Satoraljauhely
at their children's births time? I try to
find out if Eidel Fischman was the first marriage of my ggfather Abraham Goldstein (died in Ruskova 1934).
Renate Bielefeld
Mannheim
renate.bielefeld@...
searching for : GOLDSTEIN;HECHT;GRASGRUEN;FISCHER;BERGFELD;UNTERBERGER;EINHORN;VOGEL

Hungary SIG #Hungary Fischman and Goldstein Satoraljauhely #hungary

Renate Bielefeld <renate.bielefeld@...>
 

Dear Siggers,
is anyone related to Rubin Goldstein or Eva Goldstein (born 1875 and 1877),
children of Eidel(Ida)nee Fischman;(mother nee
Deutsch); Nagy Klazmer, and Abraham Goldstein? They lived in Satoraljauhely
at their children's births time? I try to
find out if Eidel Fischman was the first marriage of my ggfather Abraham Goldstein (died in Ruskova 1934).
Renate Bielefeld
Mannheim
renate.bielefeld@...
searching for : GOLDSTEIN;HECHT;GRASGRUEN;FISCHER;BERGFELD;UNTERBERGER;EINHORN;VOGEL

WEISS in Indiana - USA #hungary

Eva Blanket
 

Hi Genners,

I am looking for any information on my great uncle Baruch WEISS/WEISZ/VAIS
originally >from Talamas/Hukliva (in Carpathian-Rusyn) who may have changed
his first name to something like Bernard. He was born in 1890 (+ or- 2
years) to Chaim-Hersch and Feigi WEISS. He was the eldest of 9 children.

He immigrated to the USA (known to have lived in Indiana at some point)
some time before WW2 possibly in the 1920's/1930's as I can't seem to find
any information in the 1930 census or even on Ellis Island Database prior to
1924. He was married to Rachel WEISS nee NEUMAN/NEIMAN and had a daughter
and a son who are American but I don't know their names.

That is all the information I have currently, but would appreciate any help
tracing details on him and his family and his descendants.

Thank you for your help.

Regards,
Eva BLANKET #105793
Sydney,AUSTRALIA

Searching: HERMAN (Turka/Tuchol'ka(POLAND)/
Nizni Vorota(Verecky)/Israel/Australia)
DAVIDOVITS (Szinever/Chust/USA/Australia)
LIPSHITZ?LIFSHITS (Zhdeneve)
WEISS (Talamas/Hukliva/Kosice/USA/Israel)
NEUMAN/NEIMAN (Torun/USA/Israel)
all originally Austro-Hungary then Czech. and today
the Ukraine.

Hungary SIG #Hungary WEISS in Indiana - USA #hungary

Eva Blanket
 

Hi Genners,

I am looking for any information on my great uncle Baruch WEISS/WEISZ/VAIS
originally >from Talamas/Hukliva (in Carpathian-Rusyn) who may have changed
his first name to something like Bernard. He was born in 1890 (+ or- 2
years) to Chaim-Hersch and Feigi WEISS. He was the eldest of 9 children.

He immigrated to the USA (known to have lived in Indiana at some point)
some time before WW2 possibly in the 1920's/1930's as I can't seem to find
any information in the 1930 census or even on Ellis Island Database prior to
1924. He was married to Rachel WEISS nee NEUMAN/NEIMAN and had a daughter
and a son who are American but I don't know their names.

That is all the information I have currently, but would appreciate any help
tracing details on him and his family and his descendants.

Thank you for your help.

Regards,
Eva BLANKET #105793
Sydney,AUSTRALIA

Searching: HERMAN (Turka/Tuchol'ka(POLAND)/
Nizni Vorota(Verecky)/Israel/Australia)
DAVIDOVITS (Szinever/Chust/USA/Australia)
LIPSHITZ?LIFSHITS (Zhdeneve)
WEISS (Talamas/Hukliva/Kosice/USA/Israel)
NEUMAN/NEIMAN (Torun/USA/Israel)
all originally Austro-Hungary then Czech. and today
the Ukraine.

SZYKIER - Poddebice #lodz #poland

jacqueline gill <shibko@...>
 

I have recently come across some copies of Polish marriage certificates for
individuals with the surname SZYKIER in the town of Poddebice (near Lodz)
for 1857, copied >from an LDS microfilm by me many years ago in error for
members of my own family.

If anyone is researching this name and would like these hand-copied pages, I
should be happy to forward them on receipt of a postal address.

Jacqueline E. Gill
London UK

Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland SZYKIER - Poddebice #lodz #poland

jacqueline gill <shibko@...>
 

I have recently come across some copies of Polish marriage certificates for
individuals with the surname SZYKIER in the town of Poddebice (near Lodz)
for 1857, copied >from an LDS microfilm by me many years ago in error for
members of my own family.

If anyone is researching this name and would like these hand-copied pages, I
should be happy to forward them on receipt of a postal address.

Jacqueline E. Gill
London UK

Cemetery Matzevot Photographs #general

Gladys Paulin <paulin@...>
 

To all,
I was astounded to read Steve Lasky's recent posting about getting free
photographs >from Mt. Hebron cemetery.

I frequently request photographs of tombstones >from cemeteries but have
*never* expected them to be free!

I always telephone first; in today's cell and computer phone world, long
distance calls are no longer prohibitive. After assuring myself that the
grave is the one I am seeking, I ask if they will take photographs and what
their charge will be. If they have no regular policy or charge, I ask if
they will accept a donation. If they say they do not take photos, I ask if
they know someone who will take the photograph and how to reach them.

If the cemetery does not know of anyone, a local genealogical society
(Jewish or not) and/or the county USgenweb site can be of help. I still
offer to pay expenses. One man in Ohio drove a number of miles to take a
picture of a single tombstone but ended up taking several of family members
including one of a married daughter whose married name I did not know, all
for the price of a single photo.

Demanding multiple copies of a photo or photos of a number of tombstones for
free requires chutzpah and makes it difficult for future good relationships
with that cemetery for all genealogists.

The IAJGS and NGS web sites have excellent lists of ethical behaviors for
genealogists. But if demanding free photos >from private cemeteries is not
listed, it is only because they never thought such an item was necessary!

I will get down >from my soapbox now.
Gladys

Gladys Friedman Paulin, CG
Winter Springs, FL

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cemetery Matzevot Photographs #general

Gladys Paulin <paulin@...>
 

To all,
I was astounded to read Steve Lasky's recent posting about getting free
photographs >from Mt. Hebron cemetery.

I frequently request photographs of tombstones >from cemeteries but have
*never* expected them to be free!

I always telephone first; in today's cell and computer phone world, long
distance calls are no longer prohibitive. After assuring myself that the
grave is the one I am seeking, I ask if they will take photographs and what
their charge will be. If they have no regular policy or charge, I ask if
they will accept a donation. If they say they do not take photos, I ask if
they know someone who will take the photograph and how to reach them.

If the cemetery does not know of anyone, a local genealogical society
(Jewish or not) and/or the county USgenweb site can be of help. I still
offer to pay expenses. One man in Ohio drove a number of miles to take a
picture of a single tombstone but ended up taking several of family members
including one of a married daughter whose married name I did not know, all
for the price of a single photo.

Demanding multiple copies of a photo or photos of a number of tombstones for
free requires chutzpah and makes it difficult for future good relationships
with that cemetery for all genealogists.

The IAJGS and NGS web sites have excellent lists of ethical behaviors for
genealogists. But if demanding free photos >from private cemeteries is not
listed, it is only because they never thought such an item was necessary!

I will get down >from my soapbox now.
Gladys

Gladys Friedman Paulin, CG
Winter Springs, FL

Re: Ships with escaping Jews that sank during WWII #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/29/2006 7:32:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
roekard@... writes:
< One of the family stories is of a cousin who died on a ship carrying
Jews trying to escape >from Europe during or after WWII. Is there a
listing anywhere of ships such as this that sank? and a listing of
passengers? We checked the Struma but his name as we know it was not
listed. >

==you didn't say where they were heading. There are full records in various
Israeli archives of ships that were heading for Palestine at the time.

==Other Jews drowned heading for the Americas or other countries of refuge.
Some died while being deported by the British to Canada or Australia.

==My father's cousin and her husband drowned in November 1939 as the Simon
Bolivar, their Dutch ship, was sunk near the British coast on its way to South
America. Their young son was miraculously saved. I can't access the material
now but around 1998/99 I wrote up in Jewishgen the story of my hunt for
information (check the archives) which might guide you as you search for
information on your search..

Michael Bernet, New York

MODERATOR NOTE:The archives are located at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ships with escaping Jews that sank during WWII #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/29/2006 7:32:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
roekard@... writes:
< One of the family stories is of a cousin who died on a ship carrying
Jews trying to escape >from Europe during or after WWII. Is there a
listing anywhere of ships such as this that sank? and a listing of
passengers? We checked the Struma but his name as we know it was not
listed. >

==you didn't say where they were heading. There are full records in various
Israeli archives of ships that were heading for Palestine at the time.

==Other Jews drowned heading for the Americas or other countries of refuge.
Some died while being deported by the British to Canada or Australia.

==My father's cousin and her husband drowned in November 1939 as the Simon
Bolivar, their Dutch ship, was sunk near the British coast on its way to South
America. Their young son was miraculously saved. I can't access the material
now but around 1998/99 I wrote up in Jewishgen the story of my hunt for
information (check the archives) which might guide you as you search for
information on your search..

Michael Bernet, New York

MODERATOR NOTE:The archives are located at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop