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Re: Molan's live store-separate butcher and poultry #belarus

abe simon
 

Michelle Frager mentions separate butcher and poultry shops. As I was
growing up in Buffalo NY in the 1940's in a kosher home, I distinctly
remember mother taking me to "Mr. Brown's butcher shop" for hamburger,
shoulder steak, liver, etc. and to another shop for poultry which I really
remember. When I got a little older I remember going to get "chop meat" at
the butcher's taking a bus by myself. The poultry market was "atmospheric"
as Michelle says and I would often get an asthma attack >from being there. It
definitely had live birds (chicken, duck, even once a goose) she picked live
and then I heard the awful commotion in the back room.
It seems I recall she would buy the fish at more of a deli market or maybe a
large outdoor market. I don't know whether these were separate
establishments for economic/business reasons or religious reasons.

Abe Simon
Las Vegas NV
email: abe_simon@...


Does anyone know if these would have been the kind of poultry/fish shop
where
you picked a living bird and they slaughtered and cleaned it for you?
Would
meats have been sold in the same place? I remember a very cavernous,
basic,
wood-floored and wood-tabled shop of that sort in Bensonhurst before we
moved
on to Long Island in the 1950s, but can't recall if meats were on offer
too. To
say these were atmospheric is putting it mildly. Perhaps reminiscent of
the old
country's markets.

Belarus SIG #Belarus RE: Molan's live store-separate butcher and poultry #belarus

abe simon
 

Michelle Frager mentions separate butcher and poultry shops. As I was
growing up in Buffalo NY in the 1940's in a kosher home, I distinctly
remember mother taking me to "Mr. Brown's butcher shop" for hamburger,
shoulder steak, liver, etc. and to another shop for poultry which I really
remember. When I got a little older I remember going to get "chop meat" at
the butcher's taking a bus by myself. The poultry market was "atmospheric"
as Michelle says and I would often get an asthma attack >from being there. It
definitely had live birds (chicken, duck, even once a goose) she picked live
and then I heard the awful commotion in the back room.
It seems I recall she would buy the fish at more of a deli market or maybe a
large outdoor market. I don't know whether these were separate
establishments for economic/business reasons or religious reasons.

Abe Simon
Las Vegas NV
email: abe_simon@...


Does anyone know if these would have been the kind of poultry/fish shop
where
you picked a living bird and they slaughtered and cleaned it for you?
Would
meats have been sold in the same place? I remember a very cavernous,
basic,
wood-floored and wood-tabled shop of that sort in Bensonhurst before we
moved
on to Long Island in the 1950s, but can't recall if meats were on offer
too. To
say these were atmospheric is putting it mildly. Perhaps reminiscent of
the old
country's markets.

NEULANDER family #romania

agordon2000@...
 

Is there anyone out there with information on the family of Petre ROMAN who was the
Prime Minister in 1989. His family changed their name >from NEULANDER, his father was
Erno Neulander and I believe his grandfather Rabbi NEULANDER is related to my great
Grandfather who was also a Rabbi NEULANDER.

Alice Gordon
Atlanta, Georgia
agordon2000@...

Romania SIG #Romania NEULANDER family #romania

agordon2000@...
 

Is there anyone out there with information on the family of Petre ROMAN who was the
Prime Minister in 1989. His family changed their name >from NEULANDER, his father was
Erno Neulander and I believe his grandfather Rabbi NEULANDER is related to my great
Grandfather who was also a Rabbi NEULANDER.

Alice Gordon
Atlanta, Georgia
agordon2000@...

Lithuania Internal Passports - UPDATE #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

<<I would like to thank Howard Margol. I checked for my great
grandmothers' Kriger family and for the first time I found ( 100%
sure) records of her brother and his family with information prior to
1900. and now I am able to connect my Krigers (most likely) to all the
other Krigers who originated in Krekenava! What a great day it is for our
family search!
Thank you so much!
Eilat Gordin levitan, Los Angeles. eilat.gordinlevitan@... >>

It is success stories like that experienced by Eilat that makes projects
like my Lithuania Internal Passport Project worth doing. It takes a lot
of time and effort but, as the success stories continue to mount, I am
encouraged to do even more. Helping one another is what makes Jewish
genealogical research so interesting and meaningful.

Howard Margol, Coordinator
JewishGen Lithuania Internal Passport Project
homargol@...

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Lithuania Internal Passports - UPDATE #lithuania

Howard Margol
 

<<I would like to thank Howard Margol. I checked for my great
grandmothers' Kriger family and for the first time I found ( 100%
sure) records of her brother and his family with information prior to
1900. and now I am able to connect my Krigers (most likely) to all the
other Krigers who originated in Krekenava! What a great day it is for our
family search!
Thank you so much!
Eilat Gordin levitan, Los Angeles. eilat.gordinlevitan@... >>

It is success stories like that experienced by Eilat that makes projects
like my Lithuania Internal Passport Project worth doing. It takes a lot
of time and effort but, as the success stories continue to mount, I am
encouraged to do even more. Helping one another is what makes Jewish
genealogical research so interesting and meaningful.

Howard Margol, Coordinator
JewishGen Lithuania Internal Passport Project
homargol@...

Lithuania Internal Passport Files - Update #general

Howard Margol
 

2,091 additional records have been added to the JewishGen Lithuania
1919-1940 Internal Passport Database and are available on JewishGen.
Included are records >from the following towns - Vandziogala and
surrounding area - 1,602 records. Pumpenai - 245 records. City of
Panevezys - 244 records

To search the database, go to

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania/InternalPassports.htm

The following records will be added to the database during the next
4 to 6 weeks. Rokiskis - 187 records (contains a lot of very important
information). City of Kaunas - 8,124 records. Troskunai - 312 records.
Vandziogala and surrounding area - 1,089 records.

Translation Work in Progress -

Siauliai District - These records are organized differently >from the other
files.They are in alphabetical order, which is pretty common. However, all
of the individual files for the city of Siauliai as well as the different
towns and villages in the Siauliai District are filed together. They are not
separated by town so it is impossible to determine in advance the number of
records for each town. It is estimated that the total internal passport
files for Siauliai and the Siauliai District could be as many as 20,000 to
30,000.

City of Kaunas - As many as 8,000 additional records are being translated.

City of Panevezys - An estimated additional 6,000 records are in the process
of being translated.

Troskunai - the final group of records are in process.

Kaunas District - excluding the cities of Kaunas and Jonava - An estimated
additional 1,100 records are in process.

If you do not see your shtetl or town listed, do not despair. Do a town
search for your town and you may be surprised at the data that appears. Many
Jews applied for their internal passport in a different town >from where they
lived. Also, you may find your ancestor living in a different place >from what
you thought.

Howard Margol, Coordinator
JewishGen Lithuania Internal Passport Project
Atlanta, Georgia
homargol@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lithuania Internal Passport Files - Update #general

Howard Margol
 

2,091 additional records have been added to the JewishGen Lithuania
1919-1940 Internal Passport Database and are available on JewishGen.
Included are records >from the following towns - Vandziogala and
surrounding area - 1,602 records. Pumpenai - 245 records. City of
Panevezys - 244 records

To search the database, go to

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Lithuania/InternalPassports.htm

The following records will be added to the database during the next
4 to 6 weeks. Rokiskis - 187 records (contains a lot of very important
information). City of Kaunas - 8,124 records. Troskunai - 312 records.
Vandziogala and surrounding area - 1,089 records.

Translation Work in Progress -

Siauliai District - These records are organized differently >from the other
files.They are in alphabetical order, which is pretty common. However, all
of the individual files for the city of Siauliai as well as the different
towns and villages in the Siauliai District are filed together. They are not
separated by town so it is impossible to determine in advance the number of
records for each town. It is estimated that the total internal passport
files for Siauliai and the Siauliai District could be as many as 20,000 to
30,000.

City of Kaunas - As many as 8,000 additional records are being translated.

City of Panevezys - An estimated additional 6,000 records are in the process
of being translated.

Troskunai - the final group of records are in process.

Kaunas District - excluding the cities of Kaunas and Jonava - An estimated
additional 1,100 records are in process.

If you do not see your shtetl or town listed, do not despair. Do a town
search for your town and you may be surprised at the data that appears. Many
Jews applied for their internal passport in a different town >from where they
lived. Also, you may find your ancestor living in a different place >from what
you thought.

Howard Margol, Coordinator
JewishGen Lithuania Internal Passport Project
Atlanta, Georgia
homargol@...

The SCHMULOWITZes (and SCHWARTZes) of Scranton (and Michalovce, Hungary) circa 1900. #general

yehuda frischman
 

Dear Friends,

I have not written to the group concerning our family
mystery for about 4 years. Now with the help of a
cousin who I found through another SIG much of the
the mystery has been solved, and even more we are
close to tracking down.

I had written asking for anyone who know of
SCHMULOWITZes or SCHWARTZes >from Scranton, Pa, and
specifically asking about Josef Schwartz (my paternal
GGF), Mosie Schwartz, his son who had married his
cousin >from the family of New England Stationery of
Boston, and Rae WEBER and Anton Schmulowitz who were
each distant cousins, the specifice relation
undetermined. I also mentioned that Rae Weber, who
passed away just a couple of years ago, had mentioned
to my sister that there had been 3 Schmulowitz
brothers, all in the grocery business in Scranton, and
that because they were worried about the impression of
a family monopoly, my grandfather had changed his name
to Schwartz.

I heard back >from Douglas Cohen, of Lexington, Mass,
and to make a long story shorter, we together
determined that Josef Schwartz was actually Josef
Schmulowitz, and that he had taken his wife Resi's
maiden name. Furthermore, Resi was one of four
children of Isaac and Toba Schwartz, along with Sarah
Schwartz Friedman, (the wife of Sol Friedman of New
England Stationery) Edward Elias Schwartz, and Samuel
Schwartz (Doug's GGF). Toba Schwartz was the daughter
of Shmuel and Rochel Schmulowitz! So indeed, Mosie
Schwartz did marry his cousin Eva, the daughter of
Sarah Schwartz Friedman. I was also able to travel
to Har Hazeisim in Jerusalem, and found Josef
Schwartz's matzeva. He was Yosef ben Baruch.

Just this week I revisited the Scranton 1900 census
and in summary, we now know the follow:

1. The patriarch of the Schmulowitz family, who I
suspect never came over >from Europe and who I know for
sure was Joe Schartz's father was Baruch Schmulowitz.
Doug and I suspect that he may have also been the
brother of Toba Schmulowitz (who married Isaac
Schwartz and who was the mother of Resi (Joe Schwartz
Schmulowitzes wife), Edward Elias Schwartz, Sarah
Schwartz, and Samuel Schwartz.

2. Toba Schmulowitz Schwartz's (and Baruch
Schmulowitz's?) parents were Schmuel and Rachel
Schmulowitz

3. There were at least 4 Schmulowitz siblings: 1.
Josef Schwartz, who took his wife's (and maybe his
aunt Toba's) maiden name Schmulowitz, 2. Raizy who
married Max Weber and who was the mother of Rae Weber,
and two Schmulowitz brothers who lived next door to
Josef Schartz in 1900: 3.Toni, and 4. Harry.

To confirm this theory,still need to have someone
check out the matzevas of Raizy Weber, Toni
Schmulowitz and Harry Schmulowitz, to check dates and
more important, to see if their father's name was
Baruch. That would ascertain 99% this theory.

All that would be left to verify would be other
possible siblings and the Europe connection.

Back in 2002 when I last wrote, I had heard back about
some Scranton and Wilkes Barre Schmulowitzes and
Schwartzes. Now that I have so much more info, I
would really appreciate hearing >from anyone able to
add more pieces to the puzzle.

Thanks,

Yehuda Frischman
Los Angeles

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The SCHMULOWITZes (and SCHWARTZes) of Scranton (and Michalovce, Hungary) circa 1900. #general

yehuda frischman
 

Dear Friends,

I have not written to the group concerning our family
mystery for about 4 years. Now with the help of a
cousin who I found through another SIG much of the
the mystery has been solved, and even more we are
close to tracking down.

I had written asking for anyone who know of
SCHMULOWITZes or SCHWARTZes >from Scranton, Pa, and
specifically asking about Josef Schwartz (my paternal
GGF), Mosie Schwartz, his son who had married his
cousin >from the family of New England Stationery of
Boston, and Rae WEBER and Anton Schmulowitz who were
each distant cousins, the specifice relation
undetermined. I also mentioned that Rae Weber, who
passed away just a couple of years ago, had mentioned
to my sister that there had been 3 Schmulowitz
brothers, all in the grocery business in Scranton, and
that because they were worried about the impression of
a family monopoly, my grandfather had changed his name
to Schwartz.

I heard back >from Douglas Cohen, of Lexington, Mass,
and to make a long story shorter, we together
determined that Josef Schwartz was actually Josef
Schmulowitz, and that he had taken his wife Resi's
maiden name. Furthermore, Resi was one of four
children of Isaac and Toba Schwartz, along with Sarah
Schwartz Friedman, (the wife of Sol Friedman of New
England Stationery) Edward Elias Schwartz, and Samuel
Schwartz (Doug's GGF). Toba Schwartz was the daughter
of Shmuel and Rochel Schmulowitz! So indeed, Mosie
Schwartz did marry his cousin Eva, the daughter of
Sarah Schwartz Friedman. I was also able to travel
to Har Hazeisim in Jerusalem, and found Josef
Schwartz's matzeva. He was Yosef ben Baruch.

Just this week I revisited the Scranton 1900 census
and in summary, we now know the follow:

1. The patriarch of the Schmulowitz family, who I
suspect never came over >from Europe and who I know for
sure was Joe Schartz's father was Baruch Schmulowitz.
Doug and I suspect that he may have also been the
brother of Toba Schmulowitz (who married Isaac
Schwartz and who was the mother of Resi (Joe Schwartz
Schmulowitzes wife), Edward Elias Schwartz, Sarah
Schwartz, and Samuel Schwartz.

2. Toba Schmulowitz Schwartz's (and Baruch
Schmulowitz's?) parents were Schmuel and Rachel
Schmulowitz

3. There were at least 4 Schmulowitz siblings: 1.
Josef Schwartz, who took his wife's (and maybe his
aunt Toba's) maiden name Schmulowitz, 2. Raizy who
married Max Weber and who was the mother of Rae Weber,
and two Schmulowitz brothers who lived next door to
Josef Schartz in 1900: 3.Toni, and 4. Harry.

To confirm this theory,still need to have someone
check out the matzevas of Raizy Weber, Toni
Schmulowitz and Harry Schmulowitz, to check dates and
more important, to see if their father's name was
Baruch. That would ascertain 99% this theory.

All that would be left to verify would be other
possible siblings and the Europe connection.

Back in 2002 when I last wrote, I had heard back about
some Scranton and Wilkes Barre Schmulowitzes and
Schwartzes. Now that I have so much more info, I
would really appreciate hearing >from anyone able to
add more pieces to the puzzle.

Thanks,

Yehuda Frischman
Los Angeles

IAJGS 26 YTandV BOF #yiddish

jonina.duker@...
 

The Yiddish Theater and Vaudeville Research Group (YT&V) will meet at
IAJGS 26 (26th annual International Association of Jewish Genealogical
Societies' seminar) for a Birds of a Feather (BOF) meeting on:

Wednesday / Yom Rvii
16 August 2006 / 22 Av 5766
4:45 - 6:00 PM
in the Soho Room on the Seventh floor

(Details subject to change so please confirm in the final program book.)

Both David Harris, the YT&V moderator, and I are planning to attend.
The BOF is intended as a working session for YTandV to focus our next
efforts for the research group; it is NOT intended as an educational
session about Yiddish theater and vaudeville itself.

I founded YT&V at IAJGS 19 which was the last time the annual seminar
was in New York. It would be wonderful if this second NY BOF session
would "jump start" the next phase of our growth.

Hope to see you there. Shavua Tov -- wishing you a good week.
Jonina Duker
BEIDICK (~Minsk), DUKER (~Minsk), GOLDBERG & GORODINSKY (Minsk), KATZ
(Riga?), LEVINE (~Minsk?), RACHMAN (Salakas/Simferopol), RYMER,
SCHMUELIWITZ (~ Minsk?), SIEGEL (Uzpaliai), STRAUSS (Vilna?) & for her
descendant
ARLICK (Oshmyany), BARNA (Satu Mare), FRIEDLER (Soljataznan), GOLDSTEIN,
LICHTMAN (Csenger/Satu Mare), LITZKY (Golshany), RAPAPORT
(Kemenesmihalyfa), SCHLESINGER

Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre IAJGS 26 YTandV BOF #yiddish

jonina.duker@...
 

The Yiddish Theater and Vaudeville Research Group (YT&V) will meet at
IAJGS 26 (26th annual International Association of Jewish Genealogical
Societies' seminar) for a Birds of a Feather (BOF) meeting on:

Wednesday / Yom Rvii
16 August 2006 / 22 Av 5766
4:45 - 6:00 PM
in the Soho Room on the Seventh floor

(Details subject to change so please confirm in the final program book.)

Both David Harris, the YT&V moderator, and I are planning to attend.
The BOF is intended as a working session for YTandV to focus our next
efforts for the research group; it is NOT intended as an educational
session about Yiddish theater and vaudeville itself.

I founded YT&V at IAJGS 19 which was the last time the annual seminar
was in New York. It would be wonderful if this second NY BOF session
would "jump start" the next phase of our growth.

Hope to see you there. Shavua Tov -- wishing you a good week.
Jonina Duker
BEIDICK (~Minsk), DUKER (~Minsk), GOLDBERG & GORODINSKY (Minsk), KATZ
(Riga?), LEVINE (~Minsk?), RACHMAN (Salakas/Simferopol), RYMER,
SCHMUELIWITZ (~ Minsk?), SIEGEL (Uzpaliai), STRAUSS (Vilna?) & for her
descendant
ARLICK (Oshmyany), BARNA (Satu Mare), FRIEDLER (Soljataznan), GOLDSTEIN,
LICHTMAN (Csenger/Satu Mare), LITZKY (Golshany), RAPAPORT
(Kemenesmihalyfa), SCHLESINGER

Viewmate - Orphaned children Lodz to Fublaines, France. #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I do hope the moderators will approve this posting as a 'one off'.

Mrs. S. Cohen in the United States and I in Israel are working together in
assisting someone who is known as 'a missing child identiry' to find her
roots.

Mrs. Cohen has obtained a picture which she has placed on Viewmate, we hope
it will throw some light our way if anyone should recognise those in the
picture or the situation mentioned.

Therefore I ask you to view the picture on Viewmate - no 7863 -

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Please respond to Mrs. Cohen directly if you have any information.

Thanking you most sincerely.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

MODERATOR NOTE: Please note that the Discussion Group is a public
list, and *anyone* may post -- not just subscribers! All one has to
do is send a plain-text message to jewishgen@... .
Please also note that Mrs. Cohen's e-mail address was very properly
omitted >from this message (thank you) and may be found on her
ViewMate file.

re : Web Etiquette for Posting Family Trees #general

Sue Hillman <suehillman@...>
 

A big thank you to everyone who replied on this topic. I shall go
forward with caution.

Sue Hillman
Glasgow Scotland

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate - Orphaned children Lodz to Fublaines, France. #general

Nigel Wilson <wilsonettes@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I do hope the moderators will approve this posting as a 'one off'.

Mrs. S. Cohen in the United States and I in Israel are working together in
assisting someone who is known as 'a missing child identiry' to find her
roots.

Mrs. Cohen has obtained a picture which she has placed on Viewmate, we hope
it will throw some light our way if anyone should recognise those in the
picture or the situation mentioned.

Therefore I ask you to view the picture on Viewmate - no 7863 -

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Please respond to Mrs. Cohen directly if you have any information.

Thanking you most sincerely.

Patricia Wilson (Israel)

MODERATOR NOTE: Please note that the Discussion Group is a public
list, and *anyone* may post -- not just subscribers! All one has to
do is send a plain-text message to jewishgen@... .
Please also note that Mrs. Cohen's e-mail address was very properly
omitted >from this message (thank you) and may be found on her
ViewMate file.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re : Web Etiquette for Posting Family Trees #general

Sue Hillman <suehillman@...>
 

A big thank you to everyone who replied on this topic. I shall go
forward with caution.

Sue Hillman
Glasgow Scotland

Searching for a SALING ancestor #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/22/2006 11:55:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rdwelchjp@... writes:
< Some years ago my grandmother mentioned to my father that
she had some Jewish heritage in her family. This had not
been known to us but my father didn't inquire in detail
about it at the time. She died shortly afterward (she was
in her 90s) and there are no other living family members
to ask that we know. We are wondering how we might go
about researching such a connection for genealogical
purposes.

< I'm not prepared with names and dates, unfortunately, at
this very moment but my initial question is pretty
general. In looking at her immediate family tree, nothing
jumps out at me as looking like an obvious Jewish surname
so it's hard to know where to start.

< Her mother's maiden surname was Saling and I have seen
this mentioned as a possible Jewish surname on some name
origin lists. I have poked around in the FAQ and found
some references to surnames books but I didn't really see
anything pertaining to my overall question.

==SALING is mentioned as a German Jewish surname
in the Dictionary of German Jewish Surnames by Lars Menk.
Avotaynu, 2005. You may find it at genealogical libraries. It's
a *big* book and expensive

==Menk traces most appearances back to 1808 and Flatow, Fla.
I hunted for the town in my atlas and realized later that this is
Flatow in what was once Poland, in a district know as Flatow.

==The SALINGER name is more common. Menk says this is generally
derived >from a patronymic Selig or Salomon. Selig is a name
associated with a number of Jewish/Hebrew names; when you
get to that point post a question here "With what Hebrew or Jewish
name is Selig usually associated?" Salomon is a variant on
Solomon (Shlomo in Hebrew).

I have a family of 12 SALINGERs loosely dangling >from my tree.
They married into the FRENSDORF family that is almost certainly
related to me. They settled in the Middle West. The earliest
birth dayte I have is Isadore S. in 1880 but some may be earlier.

By about 1900, most of these American Salingers had intermarried
and their children were no longer Jewish. So you might be my long-
lost cousin. Send me your list of SALINGs and I'll check out if they
match mine.

Keep active in our List. Good people here, some very helpful, some
very knowledgable. You'll soon start picking up useful leads.

Michael Bernet, New York

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for a SALING ancestor #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/22/2006 11:55:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rdwelchjp@... writes:
< Some years ago my grandmother mentioned to my father that
she had some Jewish heritage in her family. This had not
been known to us but my father didn't inquire in detail
about it at the time. She died shortly afterward (she was
in her 90s) and there are no other living family members
to ask that we know. We are wondering how we might go
about researching such a connection for genealogical
purposes.

< I'm not prepared with names and dates, unfortunately, at
this very moment but my initial question is pretty
general. In looking at her immediate family tree, nothing
jumps out at me as looking like an obvious Jewish surname
so it's hard to know where to start.

< Her mother's maiden surname was Saling and I have seen
this mentioned as a possible Jewish surname on some name
origin lists. I have poked around in the FAQ and found
some references to surnames books but I didn't really see
anything pertaining to my overall question.

==SALING is mentioned as a German Jewish surname
in the Dictionary of German Jewish Surnames by Lars Menk.
Avotaynu, 2005. You may find it at genealogical libraries. It's
a *big* book and expensive

==Menk traces most appearances back to 1808 and Flatow, Fla.
I hunted for the town in my atlas and realized later that this is
Flatow in what was once Poland, in a district know as Flatow.

==The SALINGER name is more common. Menk says this is generally
derived >from a patronymic Selig or Salomon. Selig is a name
associated with a number of Jewish/Hebrew names; when you
get to that point post a question here "With what Hebrew or Jewish
name is Selig usually associated?" Salomon is a variant on
Solomon (Shlomo in Hebrew).

I have a family of 12 SALINGERs loosely dangling >from my tree.
They married into the FRENSDORF family that is almost certainly
related to me. They settled in the Middle West. The earliest
birth dayte I have is Isadore S. in 1880 but some may be earlier.

By about 1900, most of these American Salingers had intermarried
and their children were no longer Jewish. So you might be my long-
lost cousin. Send me your list of SALINGs and I'll check out if they
match mine.

Keep active in our List. Good people here, some very helpful, some
very knowledgable. You'll soon start picking up useful leads.

Michael Bernet, New York

Re: 21st St. Cemetery Manhattan, NY #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/22/2006 11:52:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
adamsny@... writes:

Has anyone visited or passed by Congregation Shearith Israel's historic
21st
Street Cemetery lately? Is it kept locked? Is it possible to make
arrangements to visit the cemetery?
==Would that be West 11th Street, perhaps? It's a tiny, triangular plot,
perhaps a dozen graves, (the rest, I believe, were reinterred in a later
cemetery) high walls but visible through a wrought-iron gate or fence. In the
middle of Greenwich Village, across >from the New School University, a few steps
from Sixth Avenue. I haven't passed there in a dozen years or so but I haven't
heard of its either being dug up or restored--and I'm sure I would have
heard the resulting noise if it had..

The location of the original Shearith Israel cemetery set up in 1656 is not
known today; it was outside the boundaries of NYC. In 1682 the congregation
bought a cemetery with room for probably a hundred or two hundred graves.
It's at Chatham Square, the south end of Chinatown, walled and elevated a few
feet above the sidewalk. Haven't seen it in 30 years, it's probably accessible
if you'll shimmy up the wall

I can't visualize anything along 21st Street, East or West that might have
been a cemetery. That's only ten short blocks >from Tenth Street--usually, when
a cemetery is full or becomes unavailable, land use and habitations will
cause a new cemtery to be built at least two miles away

Shearith Israel Congregation on Central Park West at 70th Street NYC 10023
will probably have all the info you need.
8 West 70th Street, New York, NY 10023
Telephone: 212.873.0300
Fax: 212.724.6165
General Information: _office@...
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 21st St. Cemetery Manhattan, NY #general

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In a message dated 5/22/2006 11:52:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
adamsny@... writes:

Has anyone visited or passed by Congregation Shearith Israel's historic
21st
Street Cemetery lately? Is it kept locked? Is it possible to make
arrangements to visit the cemetery?
==Would that be West 11th Street, perhaps? It's a tiny, triangular plot,
perhaps a dozen graves, (the rest, I believe, were reinterred in a later
cemetery) high walls but visible through a wrought-iron gate or fence. In the
middle of Greenwich Village, across >from the New School University, a few steps
from Sixth Avenue. I haven't passed there in a dozen years or so but I haven't
heard of its either being dug up or restored--and I'm sure I would have
heard the resulting noise if it had..

The location of the original Shearith Israel cemetery set up in 1656 is not
known today; it was outside the boundaries of NYC. In 1682 the congregation
bought a cemetery with room for probably a hundred or two hundred graves.
It's at Chatham Square, the south end of Chinatown, walled and elevated a few
feet above the sidewalk. Haven't seen it in 30 years, it's probably accessible
if you'll shimmy up the wall

I can't visualize anything along 21st Street, East or West that might have
been a cemetery. That's only ten short blocks >from Tenth Street--usually, when
a cemetery is full or becomes unavailable, land use and habitations will
cause a new cemtery to be built at least two miles away

Shearith Israel Congregation on Central Park West at 70th Street NYC 10023
will probably have all the info you need.
8 West 70th Street, New York, NY 10023
Telephone: 212.873.0300
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Michael Bernet, New York