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Ashkanazim Family and Marriage records? #unitedkingdom

The Skylark <skylark2000@...>
 

5-15-06

Jcr-uk: What a great resource you are! At 81, you have made me very ha=
ppy that I found you. =


Where would I go to find the Tower Hamlet/Limehouse synagogue records of=
Ashkenazim families? ( Also to order the census and marriage records=
for that area >from 1841-1901?

Faith Ladlow (skylark2000@...)
California USA

JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Ashkanazim Family and Marriage records? #unitedkingdom

The Skylark <skylark2000@...>
 

5-15-06

Jcr-uk: What a great resource you are! At 81, you have made me very ha=
ppy that I found you. =


Where would I go to find the Tower Hamlet/Limehouse synagogue records of=
Ashkenazim families? ( Also to order the census and marriage records=
for that area >from 1841-1901?

Faith Ladlow (skylark2000@...)
California USA

Annual One Day IGS Seminar: Call for Papers #germany

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

Family Roots in The Land of Israel and in The World
Second Annual Seminar on Jewish Genealogy by The Israel Genealogical Society

** Call for Presentations **

The Israel Genealogical Society is pleased to invite proposals from
potential speakers for the Second Annual One Day Seminar on Jewish
Genealogy. The seminar will be held on Monday, 20 November 2006 at
Beit Wolyn, Givatayim. The official language of the seminar will be
Hebrew, but presentations will be made in English as well.

This year's seminar will concentrate on the Military Aspect
of our families' lives.

Please note that preference will be given to those submitting
proposals related to that topic.

The emphasis of any presentation should include available resources
and should deal with availability and access to documentation.

GUIDELINES FOR SUBMISSION OF PROPOSALS:
Authors wishing to present a paper at the one day seminar are invited
to submit an abstract by e-mail **attachment in **Word format** to Martha
Lev-Zion, or mail it on a diskette in **Word format** to reach the One
Day Seminar Committee by July 10, 2006, together with 3 original hard copies.
Proposals, whether accepted or declined, will not be returned. Make sure you
retain a copy of your proposal. Please note that lectures are limited
to 35 minutes, with an additional 10 minutes for questions and answers.

Email address: Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
Postal address: Yom Iyun, POB 786, 84965 Omer

Proposals Format:
If you plan to submit more than one proposal, please use a separate
page for each submission.

1. File format must be either Microsoft Word (*.DOC) or Rich Text
Format (*.RTF) only.
2. Abstracts may be written either in Hebrew or English, Times New
Roman font, 12 points and single-spaced. Please limit your submission
to 250 words.
3. Page margins are 2.5 cm (1 inch) >from each side.

At the end of your proposal, please state:
1. the language (Hebrew or English) in which you would prefer to
present your lecture.
2. if any equipment is required, such as a computer, projector or
overhead projector, please include those needs in your proposal. [We
advise lecturers to bring their own laptops].

DEADLINES:
10 July 2006 - Submission of abstracts
31 August 2006 - Notification of acceptance

Martha Lev-Zion for the Organising Committee
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2006/index.html

German SIG #Germany Annual One Day IGS Seminar: Call for Papers #germany

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

Family Roots in The Land of Israel and in The World
Second Annual Seminar on Jewish Genealogy by The Israel Genealogical Society

** Call for Presentations **

The Israel Genealogical Society is pleased to invite proposals from
potential speakers for the Second Annual One Day Seminar on Jewish
Genealogy. The seminar will be held on Monday, 20 November 2006 at
Beit Wolyn, Givatayim. The official language of the seminar will be
Hebrew, but presentations will be made in English as well.

This year's seminar will concentrate on the Military Aspect
of our families' lives.

Please note that preference will be given to those submitting
proposals related to that topic.

The emphasis of any presentation should include available resources
and should deal with availability and access to documentation.

GUIDELINES FOR SUBMISSION OF PROPOSALS:
Authors wishing to present a paper at the one day seminar are invited
to submit an abstract by e-mail **attachment in **Word format** to Martha
Lev-Zion, or mail it on a diskette in **Word format** to reach the One
Day Seminar Committee by July 10, 2006, together with 3 original hard copies.
Proposals, whether accepted or declined, will not be returned. Make sure you
retain a copy of your proposal. Please note that lectures are limited
to 35 minutes, with an additional 10 minutes for questions and answers.

Email address: Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
Postal address: Yom Iyun, POB 786, 84965 Omer

Proposals Format:
If you plan to submit more than one proposal, please use a separate
page for each submission.

1. File format must be either Microsoft Word (*.DOC) or Rich Text
Format (*.RTF) only.
2. Abstracts may be written either in Hebrew or English, Times New
Roman font, 12 points and single-spaced. Please limit your submission
to 250 words.
3. Page margins are 2.5 cm (1 inch) >from each side.

At the end of your proposal, please state:
1. the language (Hebrew or English) in which you would prefer to
present your lecture.
2. if any equipment is required, such as a computer, projector or
overhead projector, please include those needs in your proposal. [We
advise lecturers to bring their own laptops].

DEADLINES:
10 July 2006 - Submission of abstracts
31 August 2006 - Notification of acceptance

Martha Lev-Zion for the Organising Committee
http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2006/index.html

Re: New Gedenkbuch #germany

petercullman
 

After a personal enquiry at the Bundesarchiv I was informed that the
publication can be ordered directly >from the Bundesarchiv
(m.conen@...); the price is 149,39 Euros, plus shipping [by
either land or air.]

Peter Simonstein Cullman Toronto - Canada aurifex@...

German SIG #Germany Re: New Gedenkbuch #germany

petercullman
 

After a personal enquiry at the Bundesarchiv I was informed that the
publication can be ordered directly >from the Bundesarchiv
(m.conen@...); the price is 149,39 Euros, plus shipping [by
either land or air.]

Peter Simonstein Cullman Toronto - Canada aurifex@...

Re: Rabbi Samuel BAMBERGER of Bad Kreuznach #germany

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/14/2006 JGrodz@... writes:
"I have recently received data about my JEIDEL family including this entry:
Auguste JEIDEL born 23.4.1844 married Samuel BAMBERGER teacher of religion
and Rabbi in Bad Kreuznach.
I have tried JGFF family finder with no success, and wondered whether this
Rabbi BAMBERGER appeared on anyone's tree?"

==Rabbi Seligman Baer (Yitzhak Dov haLevi) Bamberger, known as Der
Wuerzburger Rov, was an outstanding leader of Orthodox Judaism in Germany in the
mid-19th century. He is also outstanding for the number of direct descendants who
became rabbis, and the number of rabbis who married his daughters and
granddaughters (including one or two of my cousins). Other decendants became
highly respected scholars, educators, publishers, psychologists.

==I could find no reference to Samuel in my files or in the EncycJud. The
Bamberger family publishes a family history; you might be able to get access
to it to check out your folk. For what it's worth, both a son and a grandson
of the Wuerzburger were rabbis in another resort, Bad Kissingen.

I'm collecting information on the Wuerzburger Rov's family, Bamberger,
because I think it contains other links for me; I'd appreciate any information.
Most of all, I'd like to know how he got the BAMBERGER name; my suspicion is
he was the descendant of one of the district rabbis of Bamberg who was forced
to live in the village of Zeckendorf, two hours walk away >from Bamberg.

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@...

German SIG #Germany Re: Rabbi Samuel BAMBERGER of Bad Kreuznach #germany

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/14/2006 JGrodz@... writes:
"I have recently received data about my JEIDEL family including this entry:
Auguste JEIDEL born 23.4.1844 married Samuel BAMBERGER teacher of religion
and Rabbi in Bad Kreuznach.
I have tried JGFF family finder with no success, and wondered whether this
Rabbi BAMBERGER appeared on anyone's tree?"

==Rabbi Seligman Baer (Yitzhak Dov haLevi) Bamberger, known as Der
Wuerzburger Rov, was an outstanding leader of Orthodox Judaism in Germany in the
mid-19th century. He is also outstanding for the number of direct descendants who
became rabbis, and the number of rabbis who married his daughters and
granddaughters (including one or two of my cousins). Other decendants became
highly respected scholars, educators, publishers, psychologists.

==I could find no reference to Samuel in my files or in the EncycJud. The
Bamberger family publishes a family history; you might be able to get access
to it to check out your folk. For what it's worth, both a son and a grandson
of the Wuerzburger were rabbis in another resort, Bad Kissingen.

I'm collecting information on the Wuerzburger Rov's family, Bamberger,
because I think it contains other links for me; I'd appreciate any information.
Most of all, I'd like to know how he got the BAMBERGER name; my suspicion is
he was the descendant of one of the district rabbis of Bamberg who was forced
to live in the village of Zeckendorf, two hours walk away >from Bamberg.

Michael Bernet, New York MBernet@...

Re: Parish registers #unitedkingdom

BP Bergman <bergville@...>
 

< I have been informed that Jews common in registers was
common a long time ago in England as Synagogue
weddings were not recognised by the state,Hence the
entry's as the only legal place to get married was in
a church if you did not then your children would be
considered illegitamate,Not a good thing at the time.
This would affect all jews up to 1837 until a system
of national Record keeping started.
Hence the entry's Baptised/Married as Jews in the
Parish registers. >

It is more likely that they married in church in order to have a "parish of
settlement" which would look after them if they fell on hard times. With no
State benefits, the Church was the only source of support to the poor, but
even then it had to be a parish which recognised your right to be supported
by it, which meant having a formal link to it.

Beverly Bergman

JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Parish registers #unitedkingdom

BP Bergman <bergville@...>
 

< I have been informed that Jews common in registers was
common a long time ago in England as Synagogue
weddings were not recognised by the state,Hence the
entry's as the only legal place to get married was in
a church if you did not then your children would be
considered illegitamate,Not a good thing at the time.
This would affect all jews up to 1837 until a system
of national Record keeping started.
Hence the entry's Baptised/Married as Jews in the
Parish registers. >

It is more likely that they married in church in order to have a "parish of
settlement" which would look after them if they fell on hard times. With no
State benefits, the Church was the only source of support to the poor, but
even then it had to be a parish which recognised your right to be supported
by it, which meant having a formal link to it.

Beverly Bergman

Re: Sephardi naming #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/14/2006 5:48:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
henry.best1@... writes:


<< Not only was it COMMON practice amongst Sephardis to name children after
their living grandparents, it was the USUAL practice.
The first child of each sex was named after the paternal grandparent, the
second, of the same sex, after the maternal grandparent.
Names, therefore, are repeated every second generation.
It was also usual to name further children (the third or subsequent child of
each sex) after their living uncles or aunts.>>

==Sephardim named children after their grandparents, whether living or dead.
I've read suggestions here that children were also named after a living
parent.

==Am I correct in believing that among Sephardim, it was extremely rare to
name a child after its (living) mother or father?

Michael Bernet, New York

JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Sephardi naming #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/14/2006 5:48:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
henry.best1@... writes:


<< Not only was it COMMON practice amongst Sephardis to name children after
their living grandparents, it was the USUAL practice.
The first child of each sex was named after the paternal grandparent, the
second, of the same sex, after the maternal grandparent.
Names, therefore, are repeated every second generation.
It was also usual to name further children (the third or subsequent child of
each sex) after their living uncles or aunts.>>

==Sephardim named children after their grandparents, whether living or dead.
I've read suggestions here that children were also named after a living
parent.

==Am I correct in believing that among Sephardim, it was extremely rare to
name a child after its (living) mother or father?

Michael Bernet, New York

Re: SEPHARDI NAMING and Ashkenasi, in England #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/14/2006 4:02:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
malkikatz9361@... writes:

<< Just a note for fellow Geners about the difference
between Ashkanasi and sephardi child naming patterns
in relevence between the 2 groups,My tree crosses the
divide between the Dutch Sephardi and Polish/Russian
immigrants to London.
Please be aware that within the Dutch jews it was
common practice to name the children after there
parents while still alive as opposed to the Ashkanasi
immigrants coming in where it was a total no-no. >>

==I must add the customs of Western Ashkenasim--German, Dutch and Alsatian
Jews who settled in England and established their first congregation in 1690
just 35 years after the readmission of Jews to England. These Jews retained
the Germanic pattern by taking their father's first name as the secon element
of their name [e.g. London's first Chief Rabbi, Solomon Hirschel, was the son
of R. Hirschel Levin; as Frankfurt's Rabbi Samson Rafael Hirsch was the son
of Rafael Frankfurter] In other words, their custom was to add the father's
name to their own but did not assume their father's name.

==It was these Germanic Jews who established the rituals of Britain's United
Synagogue that remains the English standard, even after the arrival of
Polish/Russian immigrant Jews a full two centuries later (starting around 1890).

==There had been small groups of Marrano Jews in Britain >from soon after the
expulsion >from Spain/Portugal. They were given no official recognition and
were often the subjects of expulsion/repression. These may have been among
the Jews-registered-as-Christians to whom Malki Katz refers

Michael Bernet, New York

JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: SEPHARDI NAMING and Ashkenasi, in England #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/14/2006 4:02:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
malkikatz9361@... writes:

<< Just a note for fellow Geners about the difference
between Ashkanasi and sephardi child naming patterns
in relevence between the 2 groups,My tree crosses the
divide between the Dutch Sephardi and Polish/Russian
immigrants to London.
Please be aware that within the Dutch jews it was
common practice to name the children after there
parents while still alive as opposed to the Ashkanasi
immigrants coming in where it was a total no-no. >>

==I must add the customs of Western Ashkenasim--German, Dutch and Alsatian
Jews who settled in England and established their first congregation in 1690
just 35 years after the readmission of Jews to England. These Jews retained
the Germanic pattern by taking their father's first name as the secon element
of their name [e.g. London's first Chief Rabbi, Solomon Hirschel, was the son
of R. Hirschel Levin; as Frankfurt's Rabbi Samson Rafael Hirsch was the son
of Rafael Frankfurter] In other words, their custom was to add the father's
name to their own but did not assume their father's name.

==It was these Germanic Jews who established the rituals of Britain's United
Synagogue that remains the English standard, even after the arrival of
Polish/Russian immigrant Jews a full two centuries later (starting around 1890).

==There had been small groups of Marrano Jews in Britain >from soon after the
expulsion >from Spain/Portugal. They were given no official recognition and
were often the subjects of expulsion/repression. These may have been among
the Jews-registered-as-Christians to whom Malki Katz refers

Michael Bernet, New York

Surname BEST #unitedkingdom

henry
 

Cousins,

My family surname is BEST.
My g-grandfather came to the UK in about 1845 >from Holland.
I have a theory (but no evidence) that the name may have been a contraction
of BEn Shem Tov.
Also, in my searches in JGFF, I've seen the surname BAST which again may be
a contraction of BAt Shem Tov.

Does anyone out there have an opinion as to the likelihood of this, or am I
barking up the wrong tree?

Henry Best [London]




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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Surname BEST #unitedkingdom

henry
 

Cousins,

My family surname is BEST.
My g-grandfather came to the UK in about 1845 >from Holland.
I have a theory (but no evidence) that the name may have been a contraction
of BEn Shem Tov.
Also, in my searches in JGFF, I've seen the surname BAST which again may be
a contraction of BAt Shem Tov.

Does anyone out there have an opinion as to the likelihood of this, or am I
barking up the wrong tree?

Henry Best [London]




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Re: Sephardi/Ashkanasi Naming Patterns #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/15/2006 4:07:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
skylark2000@... writes:

<< my grandfather, Edward Rosenbloom, born at Gravesend February 28, 1836,
prior to separate records being established for Jews.

<< Also, your information allows me to assume that my great grandfather was
Ashkanasi as he had a son named Frederick, and my grandfather's first son
was named Edward after him.

==The name of a child is not a very efficient way of establishing whether
the ancestor was Ashkenasi or Sefardi. The surname here is much more
revealing. It is definitely not of Spanish/Portuguese origin, but Germanic, and
whether Rosenbloom or Rosingbloom in British records, it was almost certainly
Rosenblum in Germany (Rosenblom, perhaps if >from Holland). German and Dutch
Ashkenasim had settled in England by 1690 and soon outnumbered the Sfardimj

Michael Bernet, New York

JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Sephardi/Ashkanasi Naming Patterns #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 5/15/2006 4:07:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
skylark2000@... writes:

<< my grandfather, Edward Rosenbloom, born at Gravesend February 28, 1836,
prior to separate records being established for Jews.

<< Also, your information allows me to assume that my great grandfather was
Ashkanasi as he had a son named Frederick, and my grandfather's first son
was named Edward after him.

==The name of a child is not a very efficient way of establishing whether
the ancestor was Ashkenasi or Sefardi. The surname here is much more
revealing. It is definitely not of Spanish/Portuguese origin, but Germanic, and
whether Rosenbloom or Rosingbloom in British records, it was almost certainly
Rosenblum in Germany (Rosenblom, perhaps if >from Holland). German and Dutch
Ashkenasim had settled in England by 1690 and soon outnumbered the Sfardimj

Michael Bernet, New York

"Death Books" at the ITS in Arolsen, Germany #general

Sherry Kisos <smwwk770@...>
 

Dear All,

I would like to protest the use of the words "death
books" in relation to the records of the ITS at
Arolsen, Germany.

As far as I know, there are no death books, nor have I
ever seen any mention of death books in other
references (Allied sources) to the ITS files.

Yes, there are concentration camp records. As the
Allies entered the concentration camps, the Germans
did not manage to burn everything. What they found was
later on deposited in the ITS archives.

And yes, I agree that it is very important that the
archives be accessible to anyone looking for
information. What is available at Yad Vashem is a very
small fraction of the total presently in the Archive
at Arolsen.

I think that everyone has great expectations regarding
the information held in these files which is totally
disproportionate as to what is actually there.

I sincerely hope that I am proved wrong.

Regards,
Sherry Kisos
Petach Tikvah, Israel

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Death Books" at the ITS in Arolsen, Germany #general

Sherry Kisos <smwwk770@...>
 

Dear All,

I would like to protest the use of the words "death
books" in relation to the records of the ITS at
Arolsen, Germany.

As far as I know, there are no death books, nor have I
ever seen any mention of death books in other
references (Allied sources) to the ITS files.

Yes, there are concentration camp records. As the
Allies entered the concentration camps, the Germans
did not manage to burn everything. What they found was
later on deposited in the ITS archives.

And yes, I agree that it is very important that the
archives be accessible to anyone looking for
information. What is available at Yad Vashem is a very
small fraction of the total presently in the Archive
at Arolsen.

I think that everyone has great expectations regarding
the information held in these files which is totally
disproportionate as to what is actually there.

I sincerely hope that I am proved wrong.

Regards,
Sherry Kisos
Petach Tikvah, Israel