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More about the Mt. Ararat Cemetery searchable database #warsaw #poland

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Greetings,

This is just a follow-up on my previous posting about the new searchable
database available on the new Mt. Ararat Cemetery
website(www.mountararatcemetery.com.) I just returned >from a short visit to
the cemetery in search of some answers, and I wanted to share them with you,
anticipating that questions regarding these matters will probably come up at
some point. Here we go:

1. Some of you will undoubtedly discover that there are dates of death
listed on this database >from as early as 1910. The office manager at Mt.
Ararat checked a few of these burial records for me, and he found that they
were, for the most part, reinterments >from other cemeteries. There is no
mention of this when you look at any of these burial listings, but now you
know. Also, even though the web site states that the first interment at the
Mt. Ararat was 1933, it was really 1931.

2. If you do a search just using the year of death of 1909, you will find
481 entries with the same date of death, 1/1/1910. You will also get the
same list of names if you do a search just using the year 1910. This
1/1/1910 date is the default setting and is not meant to indicate that the
person's date of death was 1/1/1910. Either the cemetery had no date of
death for these individuals in their computer before the data was uploaded
to the new website, and it defaulted to this same date, or there was some
other reason for it. Either way, if you happen to find a name of interest in
this database with a date of death of 1/1/1910, contact the cemetery for the
correct date. Again, you will find dates of death for a small number of
entries before 1931, but as I've said, these are most likely all
disinterments/reinterments.

3. Regarding planting, care, etc., there are no plants or vegetation (just
grass) on any of the graves in this cemetery, just shrubs, etc. in between
family headstones, on one or both sides of the stone. Also, there are no
individual matzevot (gravestones), i.e. the cemetery permits only family
headstones, one per family. So typically you will have one headstone with
the family surname(s) inscribed on it and, in the minority of cases, symbols
that indicate whether the deceased were Cohains, Levites or Israelites. You
will generally find footstones made of granite for each individual burial.
Because of the small size of these footstones, the information on them is
limited. You will find the deceased's first name, surname, dates of birth
(when available) and death, perhaps in only fifty-percent of the burials the
Hebrew name of the deceased and their father, and a few words, e.g. beloved
wife-devoted mother and grandmother. No other significant inscriptions per
se. Lastly, there are sections in this cemetery that don't even allow for a
family headstone, and you there you will find individual footstones only.

4. The cemetery says that they are not really "set up" for taking gravestone
photos. They will consider taking photos on an individual basis (no charge),
especially for those who already own plots.

5. So remember that you will find errors in this database, just like all the
others. Please give them plenty of time to work out the kinks.

I hope these notes will help those of you who have an interest in those who
are buried at Mt. Ararat Cemetery.


Best,
Steve Lasky
New York
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland More about the Mt. Ararat Cemetery searchable database #poland #warsaw

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Greetings,

This is just a follow-up on my previous posting about the new searchable
database available on the new Mt. Ararat Cemetery
website(www.mountararatcemetery.com.) I just returned >from a short visit to
the cemetery in search of some answers, and I wanted to share them with you,
anticipating that questions regarding these matters will probably come up at
some point. Here we go:

1. Some of you will undoubtedly discover that there are dates of death
listed on this database >from as early as 1910. The office manager at Mt.
Ararat checked a few of these burial records for me, and he found that they
were, for the most part, reinterments >from other cemeteries. There is no
mention of this when you look at any of these burial listings, but now you
know. Also, even though the web site states that the first interment at the
Mt. Ararat was 1933, it was really 1931.

2. If you do a search just using the year of death of 1909, you will find
481 entries with the same date of death, 1/1/1910. You will also get the
same list of names if you do a search just using the year 1910. This
1/1/1910 date is the default setting and is not meant to indicate that the
person's date of death was 1/1/1910. Either the cemetery had no date of
death for these individuals in their computer before the data was uploaded
to the new website, and it defaulted to this same date, or there was some
other reason for it. Either way, if you happen to find a name of interest in
this database with a date of death of 1/1/1910, contact the cemetery for the
correct date. Again, you will find dates of death for a small number of
entries before 1931, but as I've said, these are most likely all
disinterments/reinterments.

3. Regarding planting, care, etc., there are no plants or vegetation (just
grass) on any of the graves in this cemetery, just shrubs, etc. in between
family headstones, on one or both sides of the stone. Also, there are no
individual matzevot (gravestones), i.e. the cemetery permits only family
headstones, one per family. So typically you will have one headstone with
the family surname(s) inscribed on it and, in the minority of cases, symbols
that indicate whether the deceased were Cohains, Levites or Israelites. You
will generally find footstones made of granite for each individual burial.
Because of the small size of these footstones, the information on them is
limited. You will find the deceased's first name, surname, dates of birth
(when available) and death, perhaps in only fifty-percent of the burials the
Hebrew name of the deceased and their father, and a few words, e.g. beloved
wife-devoted mother and grandmother. No other significant inscriptions per
se. Lastly, there are sections in this cemetery that don't even allow for a
family headstone, and you there you will find individual footstones only.

4. The cemetery says that they are not really "set up" for taking gravestone
photos. They will consider taking photos on an individual basis (no charge),
especially for those who already own plots.

5. So remember that you will find errors in this database, just like all the
others. Please give them plenty of time to work out the kinks.

I hope these notes will help those of you who have an interest in those who
are buried at Mt. Ararat Cemetery.


Best,
Steve Lasky
New York
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com


Re: Politechnika Warszawska students #warsaw #poland

Nicole.Berline <Nicole.Berline@...>
 

Dear Logan

Thank you for this very interesting information.
My mother Ruchla ROTENSTEIN was a student at Pilsudsky University in Warsaw, her
brothers, I dont know where.
I did not find any ROTENSTEIN in the pages of Politechnika Warszawska
Do you know if the Pilsudsky University, or other universities, will also place its academic
academic plans online ?
Nicole Berline, Paris

Logan J. Kleinwaks a écrit :

I recently posted that the Warsaw University of Technology Digital Library
scanned and placed online the Politechnika Warszawska's academic plan for
1937/1938, which includes a list of students for the previous academic year,
some of them very likely Jewish, judging >from their names. Since that post,
the Digital Library has done the same for other years' academic plans, and
the collection now covers 1934/1935-1938/1939. It appears that this will be
extended to 1916-1946, though it is not clear that all years will be
included or that all of the plans will include lists of students.

I will not report on these plans further, but encourage anyone who is
interested to periodically check the Digital Library's website
(http://bcpw.bg.pw.edu.pl/dlibra). The plans can be found by using the
website's Simple Search to search for the word semestrze, and the lists of
students have been near the ends of the plans.

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


Warszawa Research Group #Warsaw #Poland Re: Politechnika Warszawska students #warsaw #poland

Nicole.Berline <Nicole.Berline@...>
 

Dear Logan

Thank you for this very interesting information.
My mother Ruchla ROTENSTEIN was a student at Pilsudsky University in Warsaw, her
brothers, I dont know where.
I did not find any ROTENSTEIN in the pages of Politechnika Warszawska
Do you know if the Pilsudsky University, or other universities, will also place its academic
academic plans online ?
Nicole Berline, Paris

Logan J. Kleinwaks a écrit :

I recently posted that the Warsaw University of Technology Digital Library
scanned and placed online the Politechnika Warszawska's academic plan for
1937/1938, which includes a list of students for the previous academic year,
some of them very likely Jewish, judging >from their names. Since that post,
the Digital Library has done the same for other years' academic plans, and
the collection now covers 1934/1935-1938/1939. It appears that this will be
extended to 1916-1946, though it is not clear that all years will be
included or that all of the plans will include lists of students.

I will not report on these plans further, but encourage anyone who is
interested to periodically check the Digital Library's website
(http://bcpw.bg.pw.edu.pl/dlibra). The plans can be found by using the
website's Simple Search to search for the word semestrze, and the lists of
students have been near the ends of the plans.

Best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


September 10, 2006 bus trip to Jewish Museum of Maryland in Baltimore #general

Jeff Miller
 

On Sunday, September 10, 2006, the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater
Washington (JGSGW) is sponsoring a
bus trip to Jewish Museum of Maryland in Baltimore.

Have you ever vacationed in the Catskills, Miami, or Atlantic City or gone
to summer camp? If so, relive those wonderful memories; if not, come see
what you’ve missed when we travel to Baltimore, Maryland for our first
meeting of the 2006-2007 year. On Sunday, September 10, we will be going on
a field trip to the Jewish Museum of Maryland. We have arranged for a
docent led tour of two exciting new exhibits:

The Other Promised Land: Vacationing, Identity and the Jewish-American Dream
This exhibit evokes the experiences and meanings in Jewish vacationing from
the 1880s to the present, and shows how vacations represented the excitement
and promise of America while shaping notions of Jewish and American
identities.

Cabin Fever: Jewish Camping and Jewish Commitment

This interactive and atmospheric exhibit focuses on summer camps attended by
Jewish Marylanders, and explores the impact of camp experiences on identity
formation, and, particularly, on the development of Jewish identity on young
people.

Our trip also includes a tour of two historic synagogues, which are part of
the Museum, and an opportunity to peruse documents in the Museum library and
archives. The Lloyd Street Synagogue (1845) and B’nai Israel (1876) tell
the stories of two great waves of Jewish immigrants to Baltimore. In the
library you will find a cemetery database and files, Baltimore Jewish
obituaries, the Jack Levin collection (funeral home records), as well as
passenger records. The Museum gift shop and other exhibits will be open for
us to visit also.

Lunch at a nearby deli (not Kosher) following our trip to the Museum. Lunch
is not included in the cost of the trip.

Bus transportation will be provided >from the Pike Center in Rockville in
front of Bagel City. Bagel City is located at 12119 Rockville Pike. The
bus will leave promptly at 8:45 AM so please be on time (not Jewish time).
The bus will leave >from Baltimore at 2:30 PM and arrive back in Rockville by
3:30 PM. Interested parties should contact Rochelle Gershenow at
rpgersh@comcast.net.
Also, please go to http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsgw/
where you will find a form to print and instructions for payment to JGSGW
and mailing to Rochelle Gershenow.
Directions to the bus departure location, cost options, and other details
are on the website.

Submitted by Jeff Miller
VP for Publicity, JGSGW


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen September 10, 2006 bus trip to Jewish Museum of Maryland in Baltimore #general

Jeff Miller
 

On Sunday, September 10, 2006, the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater
Washington (JGSGW) is sponsoring a
bus trip to Jewish Museum of Maryland in Baltimore.

Have you ever vacationed in the Catskills, Miami, or Atlantic City or gone
to summer camp? If so, relive those wonderful memories; if not, come see
what you’ve missed when we travel to Baltimore, Maryland for our first
meeting of the 2006-2007 year. On Sunday, September 10, we will be going on
a field trip to the Jewish Museum of Maryland. We have arranged for a
docent led tour of two exciting new exhibits:

The Other Promised Land: Vacationing, Identity and the Jewish-American Dream
This exhibit evokes the experiences and meanings in Jewish vacationing from
the 1880s to the present, and shows how vacations represented the excitement
and promise of America while shaping notions of Jewish and American
identities.

Cabin Fever: Jewish Camping and Jewish Commitment

This interactive and atmospheric exhibit focuses on summer camps attended by
Jewish Marylanders, and explores the impact of camp experiences on identity
formation, and, particularly, on the development of Jewish identity on young
people.

Our trip also includes a tour of two historic synagogues, which are part of
the Museum, and an opportunity to peruse documents in the Museum library and
archives. The Lloyd Street Synagogue (1845) and B’nai Israel (1876) tell
the stories of two great waves of Jewish immigrants to Baltimore. In the
library you will find a cemetery database and files, Baltimore Jewish
obituaries, the Jack Levin collection (funeral home records), as well as
passenger records. The Museum gift shop and other exhibits will be open for
us to visit also.

Lunch at a nearby deli (not Kosher) following our trip to the Museum. Lunch
is not included in the cost of the trip.

Bus transportation will be provided >from the Pike Center in Rockville in
front of Bagel City. Bagel City is located at 12119 Rockville Pike. The
bus will leave promptly at 8:45 AM so please be on time (not Jewish time).
The bus will leave >from Baltimore at 2:30 PM and arrive back in Rockville by
3:30 PM. Interested parties should contact Rochelle Gershenow at
rpgersh@comcast.net.
Also, please go to http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsgw/
where you will find a form to print and instructions for payment to JGSGW
and mailing to Rochelle Gershenow.
Directions to the bus departure location, cost options, and other details
are on the website.

Submitted by Jeff Miller
VP for Publicity, JGSGW


Journal Officel access? #france

Peter Lebensold
 

Salut, cousins et cousines:

Thanks to the CD-ROM "Les Naturalisations entre 1900 et 1950", I now
know that a possible relative - Isaac LEBENSOLD (born 1 Oct 1894,
Warsaw) - was naturalized a French citizen on 14 July 1949,
"reference au journal officiel 15853-48".
His wife, family name PONICMAN, was naturalized at the same time.

I'm wondering:

1. Is there any online access to the Journal Officiel >from that
date? (I haven't been able to find any.) Or any way to request
a copy of the entry by email or mail?

2. If I were able to consult the relevant entry, what additional
information might I be able to get?

Thanks for any help anyone can offer.

Peter Lebensold
Toronto, Canada

Researching: LEBENSOLD (Warsaw, France, England, Brazil, Canada, U.S.)
SZAFIR (Radom?, Warsaw, U.S.)
GELBFICZ / GELBISH / FISH / GOLDWYN (Warsaw, U.S.)
BAUMEISTER / BAUMAIJSTER (Warsaw?)


Re: Jews in Medieval France #france

V2268@...
 

Thanks to all who provided information about book on this subject. I
researched the titles and they look promising.

Victoria Bennett
San Jose, CA


French SIG #France Journal Officel access? #france

Peter Lebensold
 

Salut, cousins et cousines:

Thanks to the CD-ROM "Les Naturalisations entre 1900 et 1950", I now
know that a possible relative - Isaac LEBENSOLD (born 1 Oct 1894,
Warsaw) - was naturalized a French citizen on 14 July 1949,
"reference au journal officiel 15853-48".
His wife, family name PONICMAN, was naturalized at the same time.

I'm wondering:

1. Is there any online access to the Journal Officiel >from that
date? (I haven't been able to find any.) Or any way to request
a copy of the entry by email or mail?

2. If I were able to consult the relevant entry, what additional
information might I be able to get?

Thanks for any help anyone can offer.

Peter Lebensold
Toronto, Canada

Researching: LEBENSOLD (Warsaw, France, England, Brazil, Canada, U.S.)
SZAFIR (Radom?, Warsaw, U.S.)
GELBFICZ / GELBISH / FISH / GOLDWYN (Warsaw, U.S.)
BAUMEISTER / BAUMAIJSTER (Warsaw?)


French SIG #France Re: Jews in Medieval France #france

V2268@...
 

Thanks to all who provided information about book on this subject. I
researched the titles and they look promising.

Victoria Bennett
San Jose, CA


Anuism in Isolated Communities in Colonial and Early America #usa

V2268@...
 

The following link will take you to a conference held in El Paso, Texas
earlier this month concerning anuism and Early American Jewish settlers of the
Virginia, North Carolina, and Tennessee area plus DNA studies and migration
patterns. Both Dr. Elizabeth C. Hirschman of Rutgers University and Dr. Donald P.
Yates of his own DNA consulting company in New Mexico have books coming out soon
on these subjects. If you are interested in contactng the authors, I can
furnish you their email addresses if you write me privately.

http://www.cryptojews.com Abstracts Link: toward the bottom of the list of
abstracts.

Victoria Bennett San Jose, CA v2268@cs.com


Early American SIG #USA Anuism in Isolated Communities in Colonial and Early America #usa

V2268@...
 

The following link will take you to a conference held in El Paso, Texas
earlier this month concerning anuism and Early American Jewish settlers of the
Virginia, North Carolina, and Tennessee area plus DNA studies and migration
patterns. Both Dr. Elizabeth C. Hirschman of Rutgers University and Dr. Donald P.
Yates of his own DNA consulting company in New Mexico have books coming out soon
on these subjects. If you are interested in contactng the authors, I can
furnish you their email addresses if you write me privately.

http://www.cryptojews.com Abstracts Link: toward the bottom of the list of
abstracts.

Victoria Bennett San Jose, CA v2268@cs.com


Re: Bialystok records #general

Mark Halpern
 

The civil recordkeeping for Bialystok and nearby towns now in Poland
differed >from other regions of the current country of Poland. Between
1815 and World War I, Bialystok was in the Russian Pale of Settlement --
in Grodno Gubernia. Civil record keeping became mandatory for Jews in
1835 and were maintained by the Jewish community "crown rabbis".

If you check the Polish State Archives Pradziad Database of Records from
Parish and Public (civil) Registers at
http://www.archiwa.gov.pl/?CIDA=378, you will find listed Evangelical
(Lutheran) civil record >from 1841, Roman Catholic records >from 1889, and
Jewish records >from 1835. The questions are obvious: Where are the
Catholic records >from before 1889? Do any civil records exist from
before 1835 and do they contain Jewish births, marriages and deaths?

In Congress (Russian) Poland, Catholic civil registers >from 1808 through
1825 contain records of Jewish families. Separate Jewish registration
started in 1826. This is not the case for Bialystok and the Pale of
Settlement.

I do not have any information that Jewish civil records were ever
captured in any other civil or religious vital record registers before
1835. The answer to the question as to where the earlier Catholic
registers reside could be answered by the Bialystok branch of the Polish
State Archives or by the Catholic Archdiocese Archives in Bialystok.
Their website at http://www.bialystok.opoka.org.pl/ is only in Polish.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland Bialystok Archive Coordinator

----- Original Message -----
Does anyone know if the Catholic records prior to 1835 exist for the town of
Bialystok. The FH website only lists that they have 1834. Where are the other
earlier years to try find Jewish entries?

Thanks
Dr. Neil Rosenstein
Presumably at the Bialystok branch of the Polish State Archives, which is at:

ul. Rynek Kosciuszki 4
15-426 Bialystok

sekretariat_ap@bialystok_ap.gov.pl
http://www.bialystok.ap.gov.pl/english/index.html

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bialystok records #general

Mark Halpern
 

The civil recordkeeping for Bialystok and nearby towns now in Poland
differed >from other regions of the current country of Poland. Between
1815 and World War I, Bialystok was in the Russian Pale of Settlement --
in Grodno Gubernia. Civil record keeping became mandatory for Jews in
1835 and were maintained by the Jewish community "crown rabbis".

If you check the Polish State Archives Pradziad Database of Records from
Parish and Public (civil) Registers at
http://www.archiwa.gov.pl/?CIDA=378, you will find listed Evangelical
(Lutheran) civil record >from 1841, Roman Catholic records >from 1889, and
Jewish records >from 1835. The questions are obvious: Where are the
Catholic records >from before 1889? Do any civil records exist from
before 1835 and do they contain Jewish births, marriages and deaths?

In Congress (Russian) Poland, Catholic civil registers >from 1808 through
1825 contain records of Jewish families. Separate Jewish registration
started in 1826. This is not the case for Bialystok and the Pale of
Settlement.

I do not have any information that Jewish civil records were ever
captured in any other civil or religious vital record registers before
1835. The answer to the question as to where the earlier Catholic
registers reside could be answered by the Bialystok branch of the Polish
State Archives or by the Catholic Archdiocese Archives in Bialystok.
Their website at http://www.bialystok.opoka.org.pl/ is only in Polish.

Mark Halpern
JRI-Poland Bialystok Archive Coordinator

----- Original Message -----
Does anyone know if the Catholic records prior to 1835 exist for the town of
Bialystok. The FH website only lists that they have 1834. Where are the other
earlier years to try find Jewish entries?

Thanks
Dr. Neil Rosenstein
Presumably at the Bialystok branch of the Polish State Archives, which is at:

ul. Rynek Kosciuszki 4
15-426 Bialystok

sekretariat_ap@bialystok_ap.gov.pl
http://www.bialystok.ap.gov.pl/english/index.html

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel


Re: Padowitz - Cape Town #southafrica

Colin Plen
 

There is a Padowitz famil;y in Johannesburg. I can get the details of your
Rabbi is interested.
Colin
Another interesting email >from the well known good looking ever helpful
Colin Plen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Beryl. B" <balden@zahav.net.il>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:23 AM
Subject: [safrica] Padowitz - Cape Town


The replies to the messages below which were on the Jewishgen Digest
are relevant to the SA SIG Digest. I replied on the Jewishgen Digest and
am
putting a copy of my reply on the SA SIG Digest as well for the interest
of
all South Africans

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il

-----------------------------------------------------
Subject: re for Ann RABINOWITZ - PADOWITZ
From: Anne BREST <digitalphoto@icon.co.za>
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:51:46 +0200

Hallo JewishGenners

Ann RABINOWITZ. Only this morning I had a Rabbi Gary GANS write in and
ask
me if I had ever heard of two families in S.Africa. One was PADOWITZ and
one was ROSENKOWITZ (as in the Rosenkowitz sextuplets). I have heard of
the
latter, *not* the former, but if you want Rabbi's email address, please
contact me and I'll give it to you. What an amazing coincidence. Twice
in
one day this name was mentioned to me. Everything happens for a reason,
there is no such thing as coincidences.

Anne Lapedus BREST
----------

Subject: Re: re for Ann RABINOWITZ - PADOWITZ
From: Rosalind Romem <rosalind@netvision.net.il>
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:18:56 +0200Dear Ann and Ann,
PADOWITZS is a name I remember >from Cape Town.
If no one on the discussion group replies with info I would
suggest you contact the Albow Centre or similar in Cape Town.
Sorry I cannot help beyond that
Ros Romem
------------

Reply:-
from South African Jewry - 1967-68 Edited by Leon Feldberg.
Berl Padowitz was a bookseller. Born Lithuania in 1899 arrived in South
Africa in 1927.
Settled in Cape Town. Married Bertha Beinkanstadt.

Mr. Beikenstadt was born in Ozshmina
near Vilna. Arrived in South Africa (date not mentioned) and
opened up the largest and at the time, only Religious Book shop in Cape
Town.
He imported Jewish Religious Books and Items >from Israel.
This is still being carried on by Michael Padowich.

Beikenstadts Shop has never ever been moved nor
has its facade changed >from its original place in Cape Town
i.e. Constitution Street, (District 6) Cape Town.
Definately a landmark in Cape Town Jewry.

Generations of Cape Town Jewry have bought all their
Religious Books and Items >from "Beikenstadts"! I would imagine
that every Jewish person in Cape Town has at least once,
been into this famous shop. Hopefully it will not close down as so
much of Jewish Cape Town has by now.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Padowitz - Cape Town #southafrica

Colin Plen
 

There is a Padowitz famil;y in Johannesburg. I can get the details of your
Rabbi is interested.
Colin
Another interesting email >from the well known good looking ever helpful
Colin Plen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Beryl. B" <balden@zahav.net.il>
To: "South Africa SIG" <safrica@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:23 AM
Subject: [safrica] Padowitz - Cape Town


The replies to the messages below which were on the Jewishgen Digest
are relevant to the SA SIG Digest. I replied on the Jewishgen Digest and
am
putting a copy of my reply on the SA SIG Digest as well for the interest
of
all South Africans

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il

-----------------------------------------------------
Subject: re for Ann RABINOWITZ - PADOWITZ
From: Anne BREST <digitalphoto@icon.co.za>
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:51:46 +0200

Hallo JewishGenners

Ann RABINOWITZ. Only this morning I had a Rabbi Gary GANS write in and
ask
me if I had ever heard of two families in S.Africa. One was PADOWITZ and
one was ROSENKOWITZ (as in the Rosenkowitz sextuplets). I have heard of
the
latter, *not* the former, but if you want Rabbi's email address, please
contact me and I'll give it to you. What an amazing coincidence. Twice
in
one day this name was mentioned to me. Everything happens for a reason,
there is no such thing as coincidences.

Anne Lapedus BREST
----------

Subject: Re: re for Ann RABINOWITZ - PADOWITZ
From: Rosalind Romem <rosalind@netvision.net.il>
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:18:56 +0200Dear Ann and Ann,
PADOWITZS is a name I remember >from Cape Town.
If no one on the discussion group replies with info I would
suggest you contact the Albow Centre or similar in Cape Town.
Sorry I cannot help beyond that
Ros Romem
------------

Reply:-
from South African Jewry - 1967-68 Edited by Leon Feldberg.
Berl Padowitz was a bookseller. Born Lithuania in 1899 arrived in South
Africa in 1927.
Settled in Cape Town. Married Bertha Beinkanstadt.

Mr. Beikenstadt was born in Ozshmina
near Vilna. Arrived in South Africa (date not mentioned) and
opened up the largest and at the time, only Religious Book shop in Cape
Town.
He imported Jewish Religious Books and Items >from Israel.
This is still being carried on by Michael Padowich.

Beikenstadts Shop has never ever been moved nor
has its facade changed >from its original place in Cape Town
i.e. Constitution Street, (District 6) Cape Town.
Definately a landmark in Cape Town Jewry.

Generations of Cape Town Jewry have bought all their
Religious Books and Items >from "Beikenstadts"! I would imagine
that every Jewish person in Cape Town has at least once,
been into this famous shop. Hopefully it will not close down as so
much of Jewish Cape Town has by now.

Beryl Baleson
Israel.
balden@zahav.net.il


Re: Padowitz and posting correctly #southafrica

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

For years now, I have been reminding other researchers to put clearly what
resources they have used already and other info into their inquiries when
posting to this and other digests.

Unfortunately, I did not do that myself recently when inquiring about
several families such as Sandler, Donsky, Padowitz, etc. As a result, I
have been chastised severely by several responders on this digest for this
transgression.

To clarify, when I post, I have already checked the primary resources for SA
research which I have at my fingertips and know intimately. This includes
all of the existing databases for SA research (many of which I have
contributed to) and SA Jewish Year Books.

Thanks to all of you who responded to my posting which included an inquiry
regarding the PADOWITZ family.

In regard to this family, I have been to Beinkinstadts in Cape Town and
interviewed the family regarding their ancestry and learned that they are
not related to the Padowitz family I am familiar with who originated in
Kupiskis, Lithuania.

The Padowitz family who came >from Kupiskis were originally named Ezrachowitz
and changed their name to Padowitz to avoid conscription.

In addition, another lesson I have learned through this posting is that one
shouldn't post for someone else when they have posted already on the other
digests.

This is what happened as Renee Steinig asked me to post for her on the SA
SIG digest which I did. She did not want to sign up for the digest as she
is not interested in SA other than for her research for the family tree
being done for a wedding.

Researchers have now been responding to both of us, not with any pertinent
info, for the most part, but to tell us we are both researching the same
families!!!

For those who did offer to obtain info >from the Chevra Kadisha or to go to
the cemeteries to check the tombstones, please contact Renee directly first
at the following: rsteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us

So, to sum up, even experienced researchers can be guilty of faux pas in
posting. Mea culpa!!!!

Ann Rabinowitz
Miami Beach, FL
annrab@bellsouth.net


website relating to SA Genealogical Research #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

I would like to refer list participants to an useful website relating to
SA Genealogical Research. This is manged and compiled by Conrad Mercer.
Go to http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/index.htm .
There is also a general SA Genealogical Discussion group
http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/sagenlist.html and many useful links
and a list of professional researchers in South Africa.

Saul Issroff


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica RE: Padowitz and posting correctly #southafrica

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

For years now, I have been reminding other researchers to put clearly what
resources they have used already and other info into their inquiries when
posting to this and other digests.

Unfortunately, I did not do that myself recently when inquiring about
several families such as Sandler, Donsky, Padowitz, etc. As a result, I
have been chastised severely by several responders on this digest for this
transgression.

To clarify, when I post, I have already checked the primary resources for SA
research which I have at my fingertips and know intimately. This includes
all of the existing databases for SA research (many of which I have
contributed to) and SA Jewish Year Books.

Thanks to all of you who responded to my posting which included an inquiry
regarding the PADOWITZ family.

In regard to this family, I have been to Beinkinstadts in Cape Town and
interviewed the family regarding their ancestry and learned that they are
not related to the Padowitz family I am familiar with who originated in
Kupiskis, Lithuania.

The Padowitz family who came >from Kupiskis were originally named Ezrachowitz
and changed their name to Padowitz to avoid conscription.

In addition, another lesson I have learned through this posting is that one
shouldn't post for someone else when they have posted already on the other
digests.

This is what happened as Renee Steinig asked me to post for her on the SA
SIG digest which I did. She did not want to sign up for the digest as she
is not interested in SA other than for her research for the family tree
being done for a wedding.

Researchers have now been responding to both of us, not with any pertinent
info, for the most part, but to tell us we are both researching the same
families!!!

For those who did offer to obtain info >from the Chevra Kadisha or to go to
the cemeteries to check the tombstones, please contact Renee directly first
at the following: rsteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us

So, to sum up, even experienced researchers can be guilty of faux pas in
posting. Mea culpa!!!!

Ann Rabinowitz
Miami Beach, FL
annrab@bellsouth.net


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica website relating to SA Genealogical Research #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

I would like to refer list participants to an useful website relating to
SA Genealogical Research. This is manged and compiled by Conrad Mercer.
Go to http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/index.htm .
There is also a general SA Genealogical Discussion group
http://home.global.co.za/~mercon/sagenlist.html and many useful links
and a list of professional researchers in South Africa.

Saul Issroff