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Re: www.oroklet.hu #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <g_hirsch@...>
 

ozv. is widow and for Kaunitz the given name I would guess, might be Aron, but part of the paint is not good visible. Aron was in the past a popular name.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch
Esslingen, Switzerland


P.S. I do not think that full name, city or country of residence adds any valuable information to the mails, because in the majority the senders name is in the header and the eMail might give also information of the country of origin (ch for switzerland, hu for Hungary etc.).

I make this remark as my original mail was returned with the following comment:

****************
Your message was rejected by the list moderator because you did not include your full name and city or country of residence.

A copy of the rejected message is included below.

H-SIG Moderator
****************

At the same time there were also 3 other without city or country or even without full name. On the otherside I would also appreciate if not an anonym Moderator would sign the comments.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

Moderator: Messages will not be approved for archiving without names. Those City or country of residence is highly recommended in order to provide information that will allow H-SIG subscribers to provide useful advice to those who send messages.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: www.oroklet.hu #hungary

Gábor Hirsch <g_hirsch@...>
 

ozv. is widow and for Kaunitz the given name I would guess, might be Aron, but part of the paint is not good visible. Aron was in the past a popular name.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch
Esslingen, Switzerland


P.S. I do not think that full name, city or country of residence adds any valuable information to the mails, because in the majority the senders name is in the header and the eMail might give also information of the country of origin (ch for switzerland, hu for Hungary etc.).

I make this remark as my original mail was returned with the following comment:

****************
Your message was rejected by the list moderator because you did not include your full name and city or country of residence.

A copy of the rejected message is included below.

H-SIG Moderator
****************

At the same time there were also 3 other without city or country or even without full name. On the otherside I would also appreciate if not an anonym Moderator would sign the comments.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch

Moderator: Messages will not be approved for archiving without names. Those City or country of residence is highly recommended in order to provide information that will allow H-SIG subscribers to provide useful advice to those who send messages.


Re: New Documents in Yad Vashem #hungary

Katz, Itzik <Itzik.Katz@...>
 

Dear Diggers,

I have briefly used the search engine of the website by looking for =
general data like a place's. I was successful in finding documents that =
contained the place's name in some cases and failed to do so in others. =
I specifically looked for records about my father who was in forced =
labor battalions in Ukraine and Belarus. I looked for his home town, =
Ujfeherto, and found one document that listed people >from this place. He =
was not among them.=20

I tried looking for information about other places but came up with no =
data whatsoever. For example, I looked for Nyiracsad, where many of my =
maternal grandmother relatives lived and found nothing.

I am not sure if you are doing something wrong while searching but it =
does seem to work fine.

Isaac Katz

-----Original Message-----
From: "G=E1bor Hirsch" [mailto:g_hirsch@gmx.ch]=20
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 10:40 AM
To: H-SIG
Subject: Re: [h-sig] New Documents in Yad Vashem

As I understood >from the site, I can type in place, year and =
nationality, as I was liberated by the Soviet, taken to Kattowitz, =
Chernowitz and Sluzk (Belorus), and as the list of Sluzk appeared also =
in the "Hirek az Elhurcoltakrol" expected to find some information. =
Because Sluzk was an international camp where the Italian writer, =
survivor spent some month too I hoped to find some traces, but somehow =
it didn't work, neither with Explorer nor with Firefox, I can't say what =
did I wrong.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:35:26 +0300
Von: "Katz, Itzik" <Itzik.Katz@KLA-Tencor.com>
An: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Betreff: [h-sig] New Documents in Yad Vashem

Hello All,
Yad Vashem has uploaded a large set of scanned documents that were =
found
in former USSR archives. The database is searchable and contains about =
5
Million names of people >from all the areas that were liberated by the
Red Army.
=20
The database has a basic and advanced search engines and the documents
are in PDF format.
=20
To get to the data base go to the following link
http://www.yadvashem.org/lwp/workplace/listoflist/?WT.mc_id=3Dlolen=20
=20
We should all be thankful for Yad-Vashem continuous effort to have its
information made open to the public and uploaded to the internet.
Isaac Katz
Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: New Documents in Yad Vashem #hungary

Katz, Itzik <Itzik.Katz@...>
 

Dear Diggers,

I have briefly used the search engine of the website by looking for =
general data like a place's. I was successful in finding documents that =
contained the place's name in some cases and failed to do so in others. =
I specifically looked for records about my father who was in forced =
labor battalions in Ukraine and Belarus. I looked for his home town, =
Ujfeherto, and found one document that listed people >from this place. He =
was not among them.=20

I tried looking for information about other places but came up with no =
data whatsoever. For example, I looked for Nyiracsad, where many of my =
maternal grandmother relatives lived and found nothing.

I am not sure if you are doing something wrong while searching but it =
does seem to work fine.

Isaac Katz

-----Original Message-----
From: "G=E1bor Hirsch" [mailto:g_hirsch@gmx.ch]=20
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 10:40 AM
To: H-SIG
Subject: Re: [h-sig] New Documents in Yad Vashem

As I understood >from the site, I can type in place, year and =
nationality, as I was liberated by the Soviet, taken to Kattowitz, =
Chernowitz and Sluzk (Belorus), and as the list of Sluzk appeared also =
in the "Hirek az Elhurcoltakrol" expected to find some information. =
Because Sluzk was an international camp where the Italian writer, =
survivor spent some month too I hoped to find some traces, but somehow =
it didn't work, neither with Explorer nor with Firefox, I can't say what =
did I wrong.

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:35:26 +0300
Von: "Katz, Itzik" <Itzik.Katz@KLA-Tencor.com>
An: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Betreff: [h-sig] New Documents in Yad Vashem

Hello All,
Yad Vashem has uploaded a large set of scanned documents that were =
found
in former USSR archives. The database is searchable and contains about =
5
Million names of people >from all the areas that were liberated by the
Red Army.
=20
The database has a basic and advanced search engines and the documents
are in PDF format.
=20
To get to the data base go to the following link
http://www.yadvashem.org/lwp/workplace/listoflist/?WT.mc_id=3Dlolen=20
=20
We should all be thankful for Yad-Vashem continuous effort to have its
information made open to the public and uploaded to the internet.
Isaac Katz
Israel


Obtaining NYC Death Records #general

ZIP908@...
 

I want to add one reminder to Ira Leviton's response regarding obtaining
copies of a recent NYC death record. If you are making your request by mail, do
not forget to include a copy of your government issued photo ID. I somehow
missed that instruction the first time, and after waiting 3 weeks for my
grandmother's death certificate, got a notice that I had to reapply because I
had not included that ID.

If you apply in person, as I did the second time, you have to present the
actual photo ID - a copy is not accepted.

Also, as the reason for making the request, I had indicated "family
genealogy" on the application, and there didn't seem to be a problem. That
could be because, as the granddaughter, I was entitled to a copy.

Laurel Presser
Manalapan, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Obtaining NYC Death Records #general

ZIP908@...
 

I want to add one reminder to Ira Leviton's response regarding obtaining
copies of a recent NYC death record. If you are making your request by mail, do
not forget to include a copy of your government issued photo ID. I somehow
missed that instruction the first time, and after waiting 3 weeks for my
grandmother's death certificate, got a notice that I had to reapply because I
had not included that ID.

If you apply in person, as I did the second time, you have to present the
actual photo ID - a copy is not accepted.

Also, as the reason for making the request, I had indicated "family
genealogy" on the application, and there didn't seem to be a problem. That
could be because, as the granddaughter, I was entitled to a copy.

Laurel Presser
Manalapan, NJ


Has anyone successfully searched Nevek Name? #general

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

I have been trying for months to register on and to search
Klarsfeld's Nevek Names site, and nothing happens, I simply wind up
with the original screen. I tried on a Mac and then on a PC,
figuring maybe the Mac had an issue, which does sometimes happen on
some sites. I have emailed three times about the problem, and have
not gotten a response. This is really important to me, since two of
the names which appear on a llist of Stuthoff victims may be >from my
family. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Leslie
Weinberg

Searching Reisz (Reis, Reiss), Oradea, Romania, Szegal, Oradea,
Romania, Eisen, Tyczyn, Poland and Oradea, Romania, Blumenberg,
Tyczyn, Poland, Iram, Tyczyn and Praybyszowka, Poland, November,
Oradea, Romania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Has anyone successfully searched Nevek Name? #general

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

I have been trying for months to register on and to search
Klarsfeld's Nevek Names site, and nothing happens, I simply wind up
with the original screen. I tried on a Mac and then on a PC,
figuring maybe the Mac had an issue, which does sometimes happen on
some sites. I have emailed three times about the problem, and have
not gotten a response. This is really important to me, since two of
the names which appear on a llist of Stuthoff victims may be >from my
family. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Leslie
Weinberg

Searching Reisz (Reis, Reiss), Oradea, Romania, Szegal, Oradea,
Romania, Eisen, Tyczyn, Poland and Oradea, Romania, Blumenberg,
Tyczyn, Poland, Iram, Tyczyn and Praybyszowka, Poland, November,
Oradea, Romania


Samuel Goldschmiedt -- German translation #general

duccio leoni <duccio.leoni@...>
 

Hello everyone

I would be very grateful if some kind soul could help me understand the
registration of the details of my Gggfather and his direct family who were
born in Ebelsbach.
is on ViewMate VM8285

I have already received 3 translations of his headstones (ref VM8286) even
before I had a chance to put it out for general distribution: marvellous!

I take the opportunity to say that if by any chance anyone needs a
Italian/English or French/English and vice please do not hesitate to contact
me.

Please send your responses to my request to my private address
duccio.leoni@onetel.net
Duccio Leoni
England
217885

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct URL of the image is
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Samuel Goldschmiedt -- German translation #general

duccio leoni <duccio.leoni@...>
 

Hello everyone

I would be very grateful if some kind soul could help me understand the
registration of the details of my Gggfather and his direct family who were
born in Ebelsbach.
is on ViewMate VM8285

I have already received 3 translations of his headstones (ref VM8286) even
before I had a chance to put it out for general distribution: marvellous!

I take the opportunity to say that if by any chance anyone needs a
Italian/English or French/English and vice please do not hesitate to contact
me.

Please send your responses to my request to my private address
duccio.leoni@onetel.net
Duccio Leoni
England
217885

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct URL of the image is
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8285


Mt. Zion (NY) Database #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I know there has been discussion about the dates in the Mt. Zion (located in
Queens, NY) database already, but I wanted to add a word of caution to anyone
trying to solely use that database for their research. It is wonderful that
the cemetery put their records on line (more should do the same), but I just
finished comparing their online data to my database of five plots in the
cemetery.

The results were not great -- beyond the generic dates, I found names that
were incorrect, and most of all people that were missing for the cemeteries
online database. One would hope the cemeteries data was complete but I can
tell you that my data was developed >from maps of Mt. Zion's plots as well as
walking each of the plots and photographic the stones. (This was done for
the Courlander plots only.)

Next I will be comparing the data >from Mt. Carmel and Mt. Hebron also both in
Queens, NY to their online databases. If anyone is interested in can let you
know the outcome of those comparisons.

I offer this as a caution only and not as to denigrate the wonderful effort of
having these databases available.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mt. Zion (NY) Database #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I know there has been discussion about the dates in the Mt. Zion (located in
Queens, NY) database already, but I wanted to add a word of caution to anyone
trying to solely use that database for their research. It is wonderful that
the cemetery put their records on line (more should do the same), but I just
finished comparing their online data to my database of five plots in the
cemetery.

The results were not great -- beyond the generic dates, I found names that
were incorrect, and most of all people that were missing for the cemeteries
online database. One would hope the cemeteries data was complete but I can
tell you that my data was developed >from maps of Mt. Zion's plots as well as
walking each of the plots and photographic the stones. (This was done for
the Courlander plots only.)

Next I will be comparing the data >from Mt. Carmel and Mt. Hebron also both in
Queens, NY to their online databases. If anyone is interested in can let you
know the outcome of those comparisons.

I offer this as a caution only and not as to denigrate the wonderful effort of
having these databases available.

Allan Jordan


Talsi, Courland's first lending library #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Has anyone every heard about their being a lending library established in the
1800s in Talsi in Courland (modern day Latvia)?

Speaking with a cousin last evening on the phone she told me her family
established Talsi's first lending library. I am curious to know if there is
anyway to establish the facts on this story?

Thanks.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Talsi, Courland's first lending library #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Has anyone every heard about their being a lending library established in the
1800s in Talsi in Courland (modern day Latvia)?

Speaking with a cousin last evening on the phone she told me her family
established Talsi's first lending library. I am curious to know if there is
anyway to establish the facts on this story?

Thanks.

Allan Jordan


Looking for Mira Segal Sefer and/or Asher Segal in Haifa, Israel #general

ZIP908@...
 

I am trying to obtain the address, in Haifa, Israel, of my cousin Mira SEFER
(or SCHEFFER). Her husband is Zimi or Zeev.

Mira's parents were Saul and Rifka SEGAL, also of Haifa (I'm not sure either
of them are still alive). Although I'm a little hazy on the relationship
(unfortunately, the family members here in the US who had been in contact with
the Israeli branch of our family are no longer alive), I believe that Rifka's
mother, and my grandmother, were sisters. My grandmother's maiden name was
Routtenberg (although I have also seen it as Rotman and Roitman). The family was
originally >from Romania.

I would also like to obtain the address of Mira's brother, Asher Segal, who
may be in either Israel or the United States (he is listed in an on-line US
phone directory but the phone number given is not a number currently in use).

Any information as to a current address or phone number for any of my cousins
would be greatly appreciated. I can provide their last known Haifa
addresses, if that would be helpful, but those are at least 10 years old. Please
respond privately.

Thank you.

Laurel Presser
Manalapan, NJ, US
zip908@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Mira Segal Sefer and/or Asher Segal in Haifa, Israel #general

ZIP908@...
 

I am trying to obtain the address, in Haifa, Israel, of my cousin Mira SEFER
(or SCHEFFER). Her husband is Zimi or Zeev.

Mira's parents were Saul and Rifka SEGAL, also of Haifa (I'm not sure either
of them are still alive). Although I'm a little hazy on the relationship
(unfortunately, the family members here in the US who had been in contact with
the Israeli branch of our family are no longer alive), I believe that Rifka's
mother, and my grandmother, were sisters. My grandmother's maiden name was
Routtenberg (although I have also seen it as Rotman and Roitman). The family was
originally >from Romania.

I would also like to obtain the address of Mira's brother, Asher Segal, who
may be in either Israel or the United States (he is listed in an on-line US
phone directory but the phone number given is not a number currently in use).

Any information as to a current address or phone number for any of my cousins
would be greatly appreciated. I can provide their last known Haifa
addresses, if that would be helpful, but those are at least 10 years old. Please
respond privately.

Thank you.

Laurel Presser
Manalapan, NJ, US
zip908@aol.com


Jacque Lipetz #lithuania

MRS NOYMA APPLEBAUM <noyma1@...>
 

I would like to respond to the recent inquiry about Jacque Lipetz, but a
return e-mail address was not provided. If the person in Israel who made
the inquiry will send me an e-mail privately I would be happy to tell her
what I know.

Noyma Appelbaum
Philadelphia, PA
USA
noyma1@verizon.net

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the "From:" line above the message. But including one's e-mail under the
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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Jacque Lipetz #lithuania

MRS NOYMA APPLEBAUM <noyma1@...>
 

I would like to respond to the recent inquiry about Jacque Lipetz, but a
return e-mail address was not provided. If the person in Israel who made
the inquiry will send me an e-mail privately I would be happy to tell her
what I know.

Noyma Appelbaum
Philadelphia, PA
USA
noyma1@verizon.net

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The return e-mail of the person writing a message is in
the "From:" line above the message. But including one's e-mail under the
message is a good idea, to make sure it is not missed.


Re: IAJGS NY Conference Attendees - update III #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I am delighted to say that the list of Austria-Czech attendees
has now reached 30. I know that other A-C siggers will be present but
they will be wearing *different hats*. This is completely
understandable because of the history and scope of the Habsburg
Empire up to 1918. I will send out the complete list in the next day
or so. So here are our four latest attendees:

27. Georgia Haken of Danbury, Conn. wrote <"My interest is the large
PROPPER family who lived <in the 1840?-1880's> in Laun, Saaz,
Teplice,
Krusovice and Prague and later <1920> in Bubentsch. And as you had
kindly pointed out in the past they were somewhere else in 1820.
And I have recently added the PROBER-GOLD and ZINGER families who
were in Vienna >from the early 1900's to 1938 when they moved to the
US. The PROBER-GOLDS were transplants >from Tarnopol.

28. Fred Davis, Medfield, Mass.
Past-President, Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Boston

29. Suzy Boehm [US] will be at the conference for part of the time.
Most likely just on Wednesday. She writes: I am still searching for
ABELES >from Postoloporty, Dolany, Scheratitz, (Vseradice in Berouna),
Kralupy and Dresden; HELLER >from Postoloporty; MORAWETZ >from Roudnice
REITLER >from Klecany; AUSTERLITZ >from Prague and Linz,Austria
GLUCK >from Vienna and Tarnopol; GEIRINGER >from Vienna
APPELFELD >from Vienna.

30. Rabbi Avrohom Marmorstein writes: I will be attending the
conference on Monday only, but I am in New York anyway and if I can
be helpful to any member, I am happy to do so. By the way, while in
NY, there is tons of useful stuff in the Leo Baeck Institute and the
JTS library.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: IAJGS NY Conference Attendees - update III #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I am delighted to say that the list of Austria-Czech attendees
has now reached 30. I know that other A-C siggers will be present but
they will be wearing *different hats*. This is completely
understandable because of the history and scope of the Habsburg
Empire up to 1918. I will send out the complete list in the next day
or so. So here are our four latest attendees:

27. Georgia Haken of Danbury, Conn. wrote <"My interest is the large
PROPPER family who lived <in the 1840?-1880's> in Laun, Saaz,
Teplice,
Krusovice and Prague and later <1920> in Bubentsch. And as you had
kindly pointed out in the past they were somewhere else in 1820.
And I have recently added the PROBER-GOLD and ZINGER families who
were in Vienna >from the early 1900's to 1938 when they moved to the
US. The PROBER-GOLDS were transplants >from Tarnopol.

28. Fred Davis, Medfield, Mass.
Past-President, Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Boston

29. Suzy Boehm [US] will be at the conference for part of the time.
Most likely just on Wednesday. She writes: I am still searching for
ABELES >from Postoloporty, Dolany, Scheratitz, (Vseradice in Berouna),
Kralupy and Dresden; HELLER >from Postoloporty; MORAWETZ >from Roudnice
REITLER >from Klecany; AUSTERLITZ >from Prague and Linz,Austria
GLUCK >from Vienna and Tarnopol; GEIRINGER >from Vienna
APPELFELD >from Vienna.

30. Rabbi Avrohom Marmorstein writes: I will be attending the
conference on Monday only, but I am in New York anyway and if I can
be helpful to any member, I am happy to do so. By the way, while in
NY, there is tons of useful stuff in the Leo Baeck Institute and the
JTS library.

Celia Male [U.K.]