Inbal Livne <ballydoodle@hotmail.com> wrote to JewishGen, yesterday:

"I have posted a photograph on viewmate
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8215
of the wedding of Harry Raphael (of Darlington) and Betty Greenberg (of
Glasgow) in the 1920s.
I would love to know if anyone recognises any of the other people in the
group as there are a lot of people and i can only identify some of them as
family. Please respond privately.

If there is an appropriate SIG or national group that may be appropriate,
why not make a posting there? In this case jcr-uk@lyris.jewishgen.org may
yield a more positive response.

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel

Inbal Livne <ballydoodle@hotmail.com> wrote to JewishGen, yesterday:

"I have posted a photograph on viewmate
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8215
of the wedding of Harry Raphael (of Darlington) and Betty Greenberg (of
Glasgow) in the 1920s.
I would love to know if anyone recognises any of the other people in the
group as there are a lot of people and i can only identify some of them as
family. Please respond privately.

If there is an appropriate SIG or national group that may be appropriate,
why not make a posting there? In this case jcr-uk@lyris.jewishgen.org may
yield a more positive response.

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel

My Great Granmother Sarah MUTZ married Myer ARONSON on 11 April 1890 and
their address at the time was 46 New Rd, Whitechapel. However I cannot find
them listed in the 1891 census (or any subsequent census)
I have tried various spellings - have any of you found out who is at 46 New
Rd, Whitechapel in the 1891 census ?
Hazel

My Great Granmother Sarah MUTZ married Myer ARONSON on 11 April 1890 and
their address at the time was 46 New Rd, Whitechapel. However I cannot find
them listed in the 1891 census (or any subsequent census)
I have tried various spellings - have any of you found out who is at 46 New
Rd, Whitechapel in the 1891 census ?
Hazel

Genners,
I have a 2 page document written in Dutch that I would like to have
translated into English. I could email a very clear copy of the document to
someone willing to do this translation. Please contact me privately at
eroden@sover.net

Ellie Roden
Wilmington, Vermont

Genners,
I have a 2 page document written in Dutch that I would like to have
translated into English. I could email a very clear copy of the document to
someone willing to do this translation. Please contact me privately at
eroden@sover.net

Ellie Roden
Wilmington, Vermont

Dear Jewishgenners,

Looking for Marion GUMPEL LAANGELAAN or her son Frank Laangelaan , possibly
in Holland.

The Gumpel family fled Berlin and settled in Quito. Also Marion's sister's
children, last name Tabaro possibly in Quito or Ambato, Equador.


They are related to me through my mother's father, Eric Liebmann and his
sister who married a Gumpel .

Paulette Wolf Levine (Plevine300@aol.com) searching:
Wolf, Liebmann, Gumpel, Markus, Marcus, Cohn >from Berlin
SCHOENEMAN, >from Stutgart, Germany
LEVINE, HALPERN >from Ansinas, Latvia
SCHNEIDER, MAHLER >from Strzyzow
FISMAN >from Romania
GELFENBAIN (Gelfond) >from Kiev

Dear Jewishgenners,

Looking for Marion GUMPEL LAANGELAAN or her son Frank Laangelaan , possibly
in Holland.

The Gumpel family fled Berlin and settled in Quito. Also Marion's sister's
children, last name Tabaro possibly in Quito or Ambato, Equador.


They are related to me through my mother's father, Eric Liebmann and his
sister who married a Gumpel .

Paulette Wolf Levine (Plevine300@aol.com) searching:
Wolf, Liebmann, Gumpel, Markus, Marcus, Cohn >from Berlin
SCHOENEMAN, >from Stutgart, Germany
LEVINE, HALPERN >from Ansinas, Latvia
SCHNEIDER, MAHLER >from Strzyzow
FISMAN >from Romania
GELFENBAIN (Gelfond) >from Kiev

Perhaps
http://www.myheritage.com/FP/Company/tryFaceRecognition.php

Marguerite DeVries Major
mdmajor@yahoo.com
Chittenango, NY, USA

Searching DeVRIES, Jacob, Amsterdam, Holland -> New York, NY
KATZ, Julia, Hesse, Germany -> New York, NY
DeVRIES, Julian, NY, NY -> Cleveland, OH -> Phoenix, AZ
DeVRIES, Therese -> Washington DC 1995, Potomac MD

Perhaps
http://www.myheritage.com/FP/Company/tryFaceRecognition.php

Marguerite DeVries Major
mdmajor@yahoo.com
Chittenango, NY, USA

Searching DeVRIES, Jacob, Amsterdam, Holland -> New York, NY
KATZ, Julia, Hesse, Germany -> New York, NY
DeVRIES, Julian, NY, NY -> Cleveland, OH -> Phoenix, AZ
DeVRIES, Therese -> Washington DC 1995, Potomac MD

I wrote directly to Alan that there is a site www.myheritage.com that
has facial recognition.

Hope this helps.

Adiva
Johannesburg, South Africa

I wrote directly to Alan that there is a site www.myheritage.com that
has facial recognition.

Hope this helps.

Adiva
Johannesburg, South Africa

I just wanted to thank all of you publicly (as well as privately) for
the help you gave me. Rodesh Shalom is a misspelling (>from a death
certificate, a source filled out in mourning and prone to errors) of
Rodeph Shalom. Their cemetery is Union Field on the Brooklyn/Queens
border. I've now been able to contact the cemetery and have Rebecca
and Meyer WACHT's burial plot.

Thank you again,

Batya

--
Batya Matzkin Olsen, Concord, Massachusetts USA batyaolsen@gmail.com
Researching: EISENSHMID/AJZENSHMIDT [any spelling] (Tsikhovolya, BY),
KAYOTSKY (Vidzy, BY), KELMAN (DE), KLONER (Postavy/Smorgon, BY),
MANFELD (Smorgon), MANFIELD (Sterling, Ill., US),
RUNKIN, MATZKIN (Vidzy & anywhere), ROSENBLUM (Postavy), SCHARER

I just wanted to thank all of you publicly (as well as privately) for
the help you gave me. Rodesh Shalom is a misspelling (>from a death
certificate, a source filled out in mourning and prone to errors) of
Rodeph Shalom. Their cemetery is Union Field on the Brooklyn/Queens
border. I've now been able to contact the cemetery and have Rebecca
and Meyer WACHT's burial plot.

Thank you again,

Batya

--
Batya Matzkin Olsen, Concord, Massachusetts USA batyaolsen@gmail.com
Researching: EISENSHMID/AJZENSHMIDT [any spelling] (Tsikhovolya, BY),
KAYOTSKY (Vidzy, BY), KELMAN (DE), KLONER (Postavy/Smorgon, BY),
MANFELD (Smorgon), MANFIELD (Sterling, Ill., US),
RUNKIN, MATZKIN (Vidzy & anywhere), ROSENBLUM (Postavy), SCHARER

Hello GerSig,
I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 3 years. I
consider myself to be a novice in doing German Jewish Genealogy research.
I live in Sydney, Australia.. My native language is English .and I do not speak
any other language. I consider myself intermediate in using a computer. My
experience in using the Internet is intermediate.
I have identified the names and birth and death dates of some of my
ancestors, who I believe came >from Germany, Poland and Latvia or Lithuania.

My primary research goals now are to find out more about my ancestors, and
to find older generations as well as any other family members I may have missed.
Below is a summary of some of the information I have that I believe to be
correct.

1. Koppel ROSENBERG was born 28 July 1794 in Schloppe, and died 28 November
1862. He married Rebecka. She was born in (a place that sounds like)
Leney, and died 29 March 1839.
The only child I know about of Koppel & Rebecka ROSENBERG is:

2. Wolf ROSENBERG (KOPPEL) who was born 31 October 1835, and died 17 July
1908 in Germany. He married (1) Clara Abt. 1868. She was born 24 July 1848
in Neustettin, Germany, and died 23 February 1884 in Jewish Hospital,
Berlin, Germany. He married (2) Selma or Selina, the younger sister of his
late wife, Bet. 1885 - 1886. She was born 13 November 1861 in Neustettin,
Germany, and died 18 December 1954 in Sao Paolo, Brazil.

Children of Wolf ROSENBERG and Clara are:
3. i. Regina ROSENBERG, b. 10 November 1870; d. Bet.
1900 - 1902.
4. ii. Carl ROSENBERG, b. 25 May 1872, Baerwalde, Germany,
d. 21 April 1933, Johannesburg, South Africa.
5. iii. Franz ROSENBERG, b. 8 July 1873.
6. iv. Max ROSENBERG, b. 12 February 1875.
7. v. Martin ROSENBERG, b. 16 January 1879.

Children of Wolf and Selma (or Selina) ROSENBERG are:
vi. Kurt ROSENBERG, b. 29 March 1887; d. By Suicide.
8.. vii. Klara ROSENBERG, b. 19 September 1890.

Thank you in anticpation for your kind assitance.

Carlene BLUMBERG (nee ROSENBERG)
Sydney, Australia

The family names and towns that I am researching are:
ROSENBERG - Baerwalde, Pomerania to South Africa in about 1892.
COHN - Hamburg to South Africa sometime in the 1890's.
JACOBUS & KARK >from Schivelbein to Australia iin the 1930's.
BLUMBERG (formerly CHAIES) >from Zemil in Latvia or Lithuania to South Africa.
JACOBSON >from Lithuania to South Africa
SATILL >from Lithuania to South Africa
PHIEBIG >from Pomerania ? to Sao Paolo, Brazil in the 1930's.
SZAPIRA/E, SCHAPIRA/E, SHAPERO, SHAPIRO, SHAPEERO, SZAPU >from Zbaraz,
Galicia, Poland to England and subsequently to South Africa.
LEVINSTEIN, LIVINGSTON/E >from Suvalk (now Suwalki) and Plag/Plock to Engand
and subsequently to South Africa

Hello GerSig,
I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 3 years. I
consider myself to be a novice in doing German Jewish Genealogy research.
I live in Sydney, Australia.. My native language is English .and I do not speak
any other language. I consider myself intermediate in using a computer. My
experience in using the Internet is intermediate.
I have identified the names and birth and death dates of some of my
ancestors, who I believe came >from Germany, Poland and Latvia or Lithuania.

My primary research goals now are to find out more about my ancestors, and
to find older generations as well as any other family members I may have missed.
Below is a summary of some of the information I have that I believe to be
correct.

1. Koppel ROSENBERG was born 28 July 1794 in Schloppe, and died 28 November
1862. He married Rebecka. She was born in (a place that sounds like)
Leney, and died 29 March 1839.
The only child I know about of Koppel & Rebecka ROSENBERG is:

2. Wolf ROSENBERG (KOPPEL) who was born 31 October 1835, and died 17 July
1908 in Germany. He married (1) Clara Abt. 1868. She was born 24 July 1848
in Neustettin, Germany, and died 23 February 1884 in Jewish Hospital,
Berlin, Germany. He married (2) Selma or Selina, the younger sister of his
late wife, Bet. 1885 - 1886. She was born 13 November 1861 in Neustettin,
Germany, and died 18 December 1954 in Sao Paolo, Brazil.

Children of Wolf ROSENBERG and Clara are:
3. i. Regina ROSENBERG, b. 10 November 1870; d. Bet.
1900 - 1902.
4. ii. Carl ROSENBERG, b. 25 May 1872, Baerwalde, Germany,
d. 21 April 1933, Johannesburg, South Africa.
5. iii. Franz ROSENBERG, b. 8 July 1873.
6. iv. Max ROSENBERG, b. 12 February 1875.
7. v. Martin ROSENBERG, b. 16 January 1879.

Children of Wolf and Selma (or Selina) ROSENBERG are:
vi. Kurt ROSENBERG, b. 29 March 1887; d. By Suicide.
8.. vii. Klara ROSENBERG, b. 19 September 1890.

Thank you in anticpation for your kind assitance.

Carlene BLUMBERG (nee ROSENBERG)
Sydney, Australia

The family names and towns that I am researching are:
ROSENBERG - Baerwalde, Pomerania to South Africa in about 1892.
COHN - Hamburg to South Africa sometime in the 1890's.
JACOBUS & KARK >from Schivelbein to Australia iin the 1930's.
BLUMBERG (formerly CHAIES) >from Zemil in Latvia or Lithuania to South Africa.
JACOBSON >from Lithuania to South Africa
SATILL >from Lithuania to South Africa
PHIEBIG >from Pomerania ? to Sao Paolo, Brazil in the 1930's.
SZAPIRA/E, SCHAPIRA/E, SHAPERO, SHAPIRO, SHAPEERO, SZAPU >from Zbaraz,
Galicia, Poland to England and subsequently to South Africa.
LEVINSTEIN, LIVINGSTON/E >from Suvalk (now Suwalki) and Plag/Plock to Engand
and subsequently to South Africa

Lars Menk wrote:

Paragraph 61, sub-paragraph 1 of the German Personenstandsgesetz (law of
vital status) >from 08 Aug 1957 says that "the inspecting and examining of
registers of vital statistics and granting of vital status documents may
only be claimed by the authorities in the context of their responsibility
and by persons to which the record refers as well as by their husbands, ancestors

and descendants. Authorities have to indicate the purpose. Other persons only have
a right to inspect and examine the registers of vital statistics and to be granted
vital status documents when they make a legal interest credible."

My comment:
It is true that a legally valid birth certificate can only iussed to
descendants, but sometimes one can negotiate with the Standesamt clerks
for some kind of copy that does not have the official stamp on it and

from a legal perspective is therefore not valid as an official birth

certificate. I wonder how one can call this, "inoffizielle Kopie"
(inofficial copy) or something like that. I think I once got one this way ...
perhaps that helps

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@uni-bielefeld.de>

Lars Menk wrote:

Paragraph 61, sub-paragraph 1 of the German Personenstandsgesetz (law of
vital status) >from 08 Aug 1957 says that "the inspecting and examining of
registers of vital statistics and granting of vital status documents may
only be claimed by the authorities in the context of their responsibility
and by persons to which the record refers as well as by their husbands, ancestors

and descendants. Authorities have to indicate the purpose. Other persons only have
a right to inspect and examine the registers of vital statistics and to be granted
vital status documents when they make a legal interest credible."

My comment:
It is true that a legally valid birth certificate can only iussed to
descendants, but sometimes one can negotiate with the Standesamt clerks
for some kind of copy that does not have the official stamp on it and

from a legal perspective is therefore not valid as an official birth

certificate. I wonder how one can call this, "inoffizielle Kopie"
(inofficial copy) or something like that. I think I once got one this way ...
perhaps that helps

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@uni-bielefeld.de>

Hi.
Is there an English version of the 1813 edict issued by the King of Bavaria?
This is the Bayerische Judenedikt which allowed Jews to own land burt also set
forth various restrictions on Jews and requiring that certain records be kept of
Jews.

Actually, I have seen it referred to by different names: JudenMatrikel (which
actually seems to refer to records required by the edict); Das Bayerische Juden
Edikt 1813-1861; and, in English, the "Edict About the Conditions of the Jewish
Fellow-Believers in the Kingdom of Bavaria." It was issued June 10, 1813.
I have seen various names for this document, and many references to it, but never
the language of the document itself. An English version apparently existed on the
internet at one time, but that address (http://home.t-online.de) was apparently
sold and reorganized for other purposes.
Any leads would be helpful. Thank you in advance.

-Will Ogburn Massachusetts USA OgburnWill@comcast.net

Hi.
Is there an English version of the 1813 edict issued by the King of Bavaria?
This is the Bayerische Judenedikt which allowed Jews to own land burt also set
forth various restrictions on Jews and requiring that certain records be kept of
Jews.

Actually, I have seen it referred to by different names: JudenMatrikel (which
actually seems to refer to records required by the edict); Das Bayerische Juden
Edikt 1813-1861; and, in English, the "Edict About the Conditions of the Jewish
Fellow-Believers in the Kingdom of Bavaria." It was issued June 10, 1813.
I have seen various names for this document, and many references to it, but never
the language of the document itself. An English version apparently existed on the
internet at one time, but that address (http://home.t-online.de) was apparently
sold and reorganized for other purposes.
Any leads would be helpful. Thank you in advance.

-Will Ogburn Massachusetts USA OgburnWill@comcast.net