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ViewMate VM8444 -Vase (?) symbol on Tombstones #germany

NAUMAN
 

Dear Friends,
I am helping a small group of researchers in Germany to computerize and
build a Database of Jewish population in Jewish communities and Cemeteries
especially in Bavaria (Bayern - Unter Franken). The Database shall be
accessible via the Internet and is to be hosted on the University of
Wurzburg Server.

During the gathering of data and having taken hundreds of Tombstone photos
at various Cemeteries we came across a particular Symbol that looks like an
Amphora (Vase) - see ViewMate VM8444 ViewMate address
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3D8444 .
This particular symbol appears to be on several Tombstones in several
Cemeteries that are not in the same neighborhood, administration or
belonging to a certain family. Can any one suggest or advice what is the
meaning of said Symbol, does it reflect or hints to some particular family
profession?

I for example think it is associated with a Mikve (Ritual Bath) but, I am
told, it is also appears on Gentile tombstones. Any thoughts and
or better say substantiated source is welcome.
Please send responses directly to me at:

gnauman@012.net.il - NOT to the list.

Thanks and Shana Tova to all, let peace come to the Land of Israel.

Gad NAUMAN, Haifa, Israel gnauman@012.net.il


German SIG #Germany ViewMate VM8444 -Vase (?) symbol on Tombstones #germany

NAUMAN
 

Dear Friends,
I am helping a small group of researchers in Germany to computerize and
build a Database of Jewish population in Jewish communities and Cemeteries
especially in Bavaria (Bayern - Unter Franken). The Database shall be
accessible via the Internet and is to be hosted on the University of
Wurzburg Server.

During the gathering of data and having taken hundreds of Tombstone photos
at various Cemeteries we came across a particular Symbol that looks like an
Amphora (Vase) - see ViewMate VM8444 ViewMate address
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=3D8444 .
This particular symbol appears to be on several Tombstones in several
Cemeteries that are not in the same neighborhood, administration or
belonging to a certain family. Can any one suggest or advice what is the
meaning of said Symbol, does it reflect or hints to some particular family
profession?

I for example think it is associated with a Mikve (Ritual Bath) but, I am
told, it is also appears on Gentile tombstones. Any thoughts and
or better say substantiated source is welcome.
Please send responses directly to me at:

gnauman@012.net.il - NOT to the list.

Thanks and Shana Tova to all, let peace come to the Land of Israel.

Gad NAUMAN, Haifa, Israel gnauman@012.net.il


Re: Bibliographical Guide to Anglo-Jewish History (note compiled 1888) #unitedkingdom

N.Landau@...
 

I have tried accessing this website and I can't download the book in the UK
(ie there is no Download button).

Nick Landau
London, UK

Subject: Bibliographical Guide to Anglo-Jewish History
From: "Logan J. Kleinwaks" <kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu>
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:39:29 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Available at http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC02320399 is
"Bibliotheca
Anglo-Judaica: A Bibliographical Guide to Anglo-Jewish History," compiled
by
Joseph Jacobs and Lucien Wolf, 1888. Browsers in the U.S. should be able
to
download the book by clicking the "Download" button on the right side of
the
above webpage, or view it as a series of page-by-page scans by clicking
the
thumbnail of the first page on the right, but browsers >from some other
countries might not be able to download or view the book, depending on
local
copyright law (apparently).

This book contains many precise references to documents potentially of
genealogical value, but, not having any experience in UK Jewish genealogy,
I
do not know whether they have already been sufficiently utilized.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Bibliographical Guide to Anglo-Jewish History (note compiled 1888) #unitedkingdom

N.Landau@...
 

I have tried accessing this website and I can't download the book in the UK
(ie there is no Download button).

Nick Landau
London, UK

Subject: Bibliographical Guide to Anglo-Jewish History
From: "Logan J. Kleinwaks" <kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu>
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:39:29 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Available at http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC02320399 is
"Bibliotheca
Anglo-Judaica: A Bibliographical Guide to Anglo-Jewish History," compiled
by
Joseph Jacobs and Lucien Wolf, 1888. Browsers in the U.S. should be able
to
download the book by clicking the "Download" button on the right side of
the
above webpage, or view it as a series of page-by-page scans by clicking
the
thumbnail of the first page on the right, but browsers >from some other
countries might not be able to download or view the book, depending on
local
copyright law (apparently).

This book contains many precise references to documents potentially of
genealogical value, but, not having any experience in UK Jewish genealogy,
I
do not know whether they have already been sufficiently utilized.


Queen Victoria's Tailor(s) #unitedkingdom

Jslevey@...
 

Hi Everyone,

I believe I have an interesting question. (At least it's interesting to me!)
I was speaking with my father yesterday and he told me that his grandmother
mentioned us having a relative who had been a tailor for Queen Victoria. My
great great grandfather Harris Woolf, was indeed a tailor and when I reviewed
his naturalization papers, it was clear that he definitely was working during
the reign of Queen Victoria.

Anyone have any suggestions as to how I might try to confirm this tidbit?

Thank you,

Janette Levey Frisch

researching: Barnett, Nathan families in London area; Caro family in
Birmingham and Kleczew (Poland but then in Prussia); Woolf family >from Konin
(originally Russia, now Poland); Levy family in Birmingham, UK and Warsaw vicinity;
Abramovitz family in Kiev vicinity. Gottesman >from Bolekhov Ukraine (then
Galicia); Rechter family (Ukraine, but then Galicia); Wilder, Bernhaut,
Schlosser in Krakow.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Queen Victoria's Tailor(s) #unitedkingdom

Jslevey@...
 

Hi Everyone,

I believe I have an interesting question. (At least it's interesting to me!)
I was speaking with my father yesterday and he told me that his grandmother
mentioned us having a relative who had been a tailor for Queen Victoria. My
great great grandfather Harris Woolf, was indeed a tailor and when I reviewed
his naturalization papers, it was clear that he definitely was working during
the reign of Queen Victoria.

Anyone have any suggestions as to how I might try to confirm this tidbit?

Thank you,

Janette Levey Frisch

researching: Barnett, Nathan families in London area; Caro family in
Birmingham and Kleczew (Poland but then in Prussia); Woolf family >from Konin
(originally Russia, now Poland); Levy family in Birmingham, UK and Warsaw vicinity;
Abramovitz family in Kiev vicinity. Gottesman >from Bolekhov Ukraine (then
Galicia); Rechter family (Ukraine, but then Galicia); Wilder, Bernhaut,
Schlosser in Krakow.


Thanks to all #hungary

AZ61BROOK@...
 

Dear H-Sigers,

I want to send thanks to all of you who have contacted me with information.
You have all been very helpful to me.

I will be glad to report back on my experiences.

All the best,

B Miller
Bklyn, NY


Hungary SIG #Hungary Thanks to all #hungary

AZ61BROOK@...
 

Dear H-Sigers,

I want to send thanks to all of you who have contacted me with information.
You have all been very helpful to me.

I will be glad to report back on my experiences.

All the best,

B Miller
Bklyn, NY


Viewmate 8441,8439,8438,8440:birth certificate and photograph of spa 1927 #austria-czech

Evelyn Filippi
 

Hi All,
I have posted a few things on viewmate no. VM8441,8439,8438,8440. Please
respond privately. One is a photo taken in a spa in Karlsbad Vienna in
1927 I thought someone might have family in there as I do. If it is
intersting to anyone I can get one also for 1925.This is interesting
because all these people are very fashionably dressed in anyone wants
to date any photogrphs.

I have also placed a birth certificate which I hope someone can
translate. I dont know if its polish or german. I think its its
from 1900. what I know is its for Adolf EBENSTEIN and i would like to
know if the fathers name is listed. The mothers name was Beile
Pachmann Ebenstein and Mr. GOLDAPPER signed it and what was his title
also anything and everything else.

I submitted it in 2 pieces so that it would be readable. It is >from
Jazlowiec Poland and I would like to know where it was registered
from since i can find no records in that town. Also I am wondering if
this birth certificate could of been written or ordered after
April 18,1900.

The other document is in german for Blima Yente Bergler and I would
like to know what it says.

Thank you again in advance for all the good infromation and help I
always get.

Evelyn Filippi


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Viewmate 8441,8439,8438,8440:birth certificate and photograph of spa 1927 #austria-czech

Evelyn Filippi
 

Hi All,
I have posted a few things on viewmate no. VM8441,8439,8438,8440. Please
respond privately. One is a photo taken in a spa in Karlsbad Vienna in
1927 I thought someone might have family in there as I do. If it is
intersting to anyone I can get one also for 1925.This is interesting
because all these people are very fashionably dressed in anyone wants
to date any photogrphs.

I have also placed a birth certificate which I hope someone can
translate. I dont know if its polish or german. I think its its
from 1900. what I know is its for Adolf EBENSTEIN and i would like to
know if the fathers name is listed. The mothers name was Beile
Pachmann Ebenstein and Mr. GOLDAPPER signed it and what was his title
also anything and everything else.

I submitted it in 2 pieces so that it would be readable. It is >from
Jazlowiec Poland and I would like to know where it was registered
from since i can find no records in that town. Also I am wondering if
this birth certificate could of been written or ordered after
April 18,1900.

The other document is in german for Blima Yente Bergler and I would
like to know what it says.

Thank you again in advance for all the good infromation and help I
always get.

Evelyn Filippi


Viewmate birth certificate translation and photograph of spa etc #ukraine

Evelyn Filippi
 

Hi All,
I have posted a few things on viewmate no. VM8441,8439,8438,8440. Please
respond privately. One is a photo taken in a spa in Karlsbad Vienna in 1927 i
thought someone might have family in there as i do. If it is intersting
to anyone i can get one also for 1925.This is interesting because all
these people are very fashionably dressed in anyone wants to date any photogrphs

I have also placed a birth certificate which I hope someone can translate
.i dont know if its polish or german. I think its its >from 1900 . what i
know is its for Adolf EBENSTEIN and i would like to known if the fathers
name is listed. The mothers name was Beile Pachmann Ebenstein and Mr.
GOLDAPPER signed it and what was his title also anything and everything else.
i submitted it in 2 pieces so that it would be readable . It is >from
Jazlowiec and I would like to know where it was registered >from since i can
find no records in that town. Also I am wondering if this birth
certificate could of been written or ordered after April 18,1900.

The other document is in german for Blima Yente Bergler and i would like
to know what it says.

Thank you again in advance for all the good infromation and help i
always get.

Evelyn Filippi

Moderator's Note: To view go to:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8438
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8439
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8440
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8441


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Viewmate birth certificate translation and photograph of spa etc #ukraine

Evelyn Filippi
 

Hi All,
I have posted a few things on viewmate no. VM8441,8439,8438,8440. Please
respond privately. One is a photo taken in a spa in Karlsbad Vienna in 1927 i
thought someone might have family in there as i do. If it is intersting
to anyone i can get one also for 1925.This is interesting because all
these people are very fashionably dressed in anyone wants to date any photogrphs

I have also placed a birth certificate which I hope someone can translate
.i dont know if its polish or german. I think its its >from 1900 . what i
know is its for Adolf EBENSTEIN and i would like to known if the fathers
name is listed. The mothers name was Beile Pachmann Ebenstein and Mr.
GOLDAPPER signed it and what was his title also anything and everything else.
i submitted it in 2 pieces so that it would be readable . It is >from
Jazlowiec and I would like to know where it was registered >from since i can
find no records in that town. Also I am wondering if this birth
certificate could of been written or ordered after April 18,1900.

The other document is in german for Blima Yente Bergler and i would like
to know what it says.

Thank you again in advance for all the good infromation and help i
always get.

Evelyn Filippi

Moderator's Note: To view go to:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8438
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8439
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8440
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8441


Glueckel's times #general

aida <aidarauch@...>
 

For what it's worth, I completely agree with what Stan
Goodman said:
"until it was required by the government (and often
not even then) birthdates were unimportant, and people
didn't know exactly when they were born." Maybe this
had something to do with the old custom of "not
counting the years" ("nit tseyln di yorn") emanating
from the superstitious belief that keeping track of
somebody's exact age would attract the attention of
the Angel of Death and would inevitably shorten that
person's life. I can perfectly imagine people held
those beliefs in Glueckel's times, the 17th century.
Even in our own times it has been noticed, for
example, that certain grandparents and
greatgrandparents when asked about their age or their
date of birth, would avoid giving a straight answer or
would say they were a couple of years older than they
really were, and would then add "keyn eyn-a-hore" for
good measure, just in order not to tempt the "malekh
ha-moves" or the "evil eye"...

Aida Rauch [Belgium]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Glueckel's times #general

aida <aidarauch@...>
 

For what it's worth, I completely agree with what Stan
Goodman said:
"until it was required by the government (and often
not even then) birthdates were unimportant, and people
didn't know exactly when they were born." Maybe this
had something to do with the old custom of "not
counting the years" ("nit tseyln di yorn") emanating
from the superstitious belief that keeping track of
somebody's exact age would attract the attention of
the Angel of Death and would inevitably shorten that
person's life. I can perfectly imagine people held
those beliefs in Glueckel's times, the 17th century.
Even in our own times it has been noticed, for
example, that certain grandparents and
greatgrandparents when asked about their age or their
date of birth, would avoid giving a straight answer or
would say they were a couple of years older than they
really were, and would then add "keyn eyn-a-hore" for
good measure, just in order not to tempt the "malekh
ha-moves" or the "evil eye"...

Aida Rauch [Belgium]


Nineteenth Century Revision List Records #general

Stephen Denker
 

Is there any kind of surnames index in the original records?

Is there a website that translates the Russian Column Headings for the records?

Stephen Denker

Researching EPSTEIN and SOLOVEICHIK in Belarus.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Nineteenth Century Revision List Records #general

Stephen Denker
 

Is there any kind of surnames index in the original records?

Is there a website that translates the Russian Column Headings for the records?

Stephen Denker

Researching EPSTEIN and SOLOVEICHIK in Belarus.


"Judeo-German" words #general

Paul & Irene Berman <ikpjb@...>
 

To call Hebrew words given an Ashkenazic pronunciation, such as "isha"
(wife), "bayit" (house) and "soos"(horse) Judeo-German, is, I believe,
misleading. True, Yiddish incorporated Hebrew words and expressions, but
they remained Hebrew. Yiddish speakers continued to use the Judeo-German
words.
There are similar borrowings in many languages that have their own proper
words for the same items.
Irene Berman
Shoham, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Judeo-German" words #general

Paul & Irene Berman <ikpjb@...>
 

To call Hebrew words given an Ashkenazic pronunciation, such as "isha"
(wife), "bayit" (house) and "soos"(horse) Judeo-German, is, I believe,
misleading. True, Yiddish incorporated Hebrew words and expressions, but
they remained Hebrew. Yiddish speakers continued to use the Judeo-German
words.
There are similar borrowings in many languages that have their own proper
words for the same items.
Irene Berman
Shoham, Israel


875 Lafairs, 4th street or Somner Ave. #general

yoni ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

Do the addresses-875 Lafairs and/or 4th street and/or Somner Ave.-probably
in Brooklyn but definetly not for sure-refer to any Jewish institutions
during the 1930s and 1940s?

TIA and shana tova/a Happy New year to all.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


Advice about the UK census from 1881 and 1891 #general

Daniel Gee <danielgee@...>
 

I am trying to source a copy of the UK 1881/1891 census on CD.
Can anyone recommend a reliable and inexpensive source
whom I can approach to buy a copy?
Thank you - and please respond privately.
Daniel Gleek in London