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Hungarian Research Computer Workshop #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Dear Ted and All,

It's my understanding that you can register for the Hungarian
research computer workshop on Sunday when you pick up your conference
registration. Appears that's there's no pre-registration for these
sessions. All I can suggest at this point is to get to registration
as early as possible.

I've been told that registration will be limited by the fact that
they have 25 computers available for each workshop. Depending on the
size of the room, they might be able to accommodate folks who just
audit the session but don't have access to one of the 25 computers.
We will also need one or two folks with good computer skills to serve
as monitors. They won't have to pay and won't have access to a
computer but have to walk around and help those who need assistance
with the available PCs. I'm a Mac user myself but expect that the
computers will all be operating on MS platform.

Please contact me off-list if you think you have the skills to serve
as a monitor and are interested in doing so.


Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
H-SIG Coordinator

Researching families including:
ADLER/Sighet, Giulesti, Rom. (Maramarossziget, Gyulafalva, Hun.)
BAL/BERKOVITS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros,
Hung.); Seini, Rom. (Szinervaralja, Hun), Vamfalu, Hung. (Vama,
Rom.),NYC, Detroit, Israel
GROSZ/Orasu Nou, Rom., Szatmar megye, Hung.
GRUNVALD/Bratislava, Michalovce, Humenne, Slov.
KAHN/KAHAN/KOHN/Sighet, Rom.(Maramarossziget, Hun), London
KOHN/Ung megye, Hung.
KORNIS/Miskolc, Hung.
LEFKOVICS/Ung or Zemplen megye, Hung.
MARKUS/Sepsiszentgyorgy, Hung. (Sfante Gheorghu, Rom)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz,
Kosice (Kassa),Lastomir, Ungvar, Michalovce, Presov, NYC, Cleveland
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt), Slov.
POLACSEK/Sobrance
ROZENBERG/Sobrance
ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros, Hun.)
SIMKO/Kosice
VERO (formerly WEISZBERGER) Debrecen, Nyirbator
ZEGAL/Maramaros, Hun.

Vivian. I very much want to attend the session on Hungarian research
sources. Please advise if this note assures that I will be able to
attend,
or what I have to do to assure a place at the session. . I have
already
registered for the conference and look forward to seeing you there.
I just got back >from Hungary, My trip included four days in two little
villages near Kisvarda where my grandparents and great-grandparents
grew up.
I had a wonderful time, and learned a great deal, but I feel that I
am just
at the tip of the iceberg. and I am dying to learn more. Thanks
for all
your hard work.
Ted Grossman


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Research Computer Workshop #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Dear Ted and All,

It's my understanding that you can register for the Hungarian
research computer workshop on Sunday when you pick up your conference
registration. Appears that's there's no pre-registration for these
sessions. All I can suggest at this point is to get to registration
as early as possible.

I've been told that registration will be limited by the fact that
they have 25 computers available for each workshop. Depending on the
size of the room, they might be able to accommodate folks who just
audit the session but don't have access to one of the 25 computers.
We will also need one or two folks with good computer skills to serve
as monitors. They won't have to pay and won't have access to a
computer but have to walk around and help those who need assistance
with the available PCs. I'm a Mac user myself but expect that the
computers will all be operating on MS platform.

Please contact me off-list if you think you have the skills to serve
as a monitor and are interested in doing so.


Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
H-SIG Coordinator

Researching families including:
ADLER/Sighet, Giulesti, Rom. (Maramarossziget, Gyulafalva, Hun.)
BAL/BERKOVITS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros,
Hung.); Seini, Rom. (Szinervaralja, Hun), Vamfalu, Hung. (Vama,
Rom.),NYC, Detroit, Israel
GROSZ/Orasu Nou, Rom., Szatmar megye, Hung.
GRUNVALD/Bratislava, Michalovce, Humenne, Slov.
KAHN/KAHAN/KOHN/Sighet, Rom.(Maramarossziget, Hun), London
KOHN/Ung megye, Hung.
KORNIS/Miskolc, Hung.
LEFKOVICS/Ung or Zemplen megye, Hung.
MARKUS/Sepsiszentgyorgy, Hung. (Sfante Gheorghu, Rom)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz,
Kosice (Kassa),Lastomir, Ungvar, Michalovce, Presov, NYC, Cleveland
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt), Slov.
POLACSEK/Sobrance
ROZENBERG/Sobrance
ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros, Hun.)
SIMKO/Kosice
VERO (formerly WEISZBERGER) Debrecen, Nyirbator
ZEGAL/Maramaros, Hun.

Vivian. I very much want to attend the session on Hungarian research
sources. Please advise if this note assures that I will be able to
attend,
or what I have to do to assure a place at the session. . I have
already
registered for the conference and look forward to seeing you there.
I just got back >from Hungary, My trip included four days in two little
villages near Kisvarda where my grandparents and great-grandparents
grew up.
I had a wonderful time, and learned a great deal, but I feel that I
am just
at the tip of the iceberg. and I am dying to learn more. Thanks
for all
your hard work.
Ted Grossman


Re: Gaon of Zelechow #general

barmag@...
 

On 2006.06.29, Claire Sztern <claire.sztern@gmail.com> wrote:

Does anybody know who was called the "Gaon of Zelechow" in Poland?
You might be referring to Rabbi Shimon ENGEL, known as R' Shimon
Zelichower, since he came >from the city of Zelechow. He was a big
gaon and tzaddik and the first Rosh Yeshiva in Rabbi Meir Shapiro's
Yeshiva, Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin.

If this is the person you are looking for, you can probably find
additional information about him by researching "Yeshivas Chachmei
Lublin".

Shabbat Shalom
M Griffel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Gaon of Zelechow #rabbinic

barmag@...
 

On 2006.06.29, Claire Sztern <claire.sztern@gmail.com> wrote:

Does anybody know who was called the "Gaon of Zelechow" in Poland?
You might be referring to Rabbi Shimon ENGEL, known as R' Shimon
Zelichower, since he came >from the city of Zelechow. He was a big
gaon and tzaddik and the first Rosh Yeshiva in Rabbi Meir Shapiro's
Yeshiva, Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin.

If this is the person you are looking for, you can probably find
additional information about him by researching "Yeshivas Chachmei
Lublin".

Shabbat Shalom
M Griffel


Liepham Camp #hungary

Michelle Ruggiero
 

I am searching for any information pertaining to survivors that were
in Liepham Camp, who most likely went to Naharya, Isreal. My mother
was also in the camp,1946-1947, She later left for Naharya, Isreal
with a group of survivors also >from the camp. We are searching for
Emil Breyer, originally >from Miskolc. Any information would be
appreciated greatly.

Michelle Ruggiero, Staten Island, NY


Hungary SIG #Hungary Liepham Camp #hungary

Michelle Ruggiero
 

I am searching for any information pertaining to survivors that were
in Liepham Camp, who most likely went to Naharya, Isreal. My mother
was also in the camp,1946-1947, She later left for Naharya, Isreal
with a group of survivors also >from the camp. We are searching for
Emil Breyer, originally >from Miskolc. Any information would be
appreciated greatly.

Michelle Ruggiero, Staten Island, NY


Re: Registration for Hungarian Research Session #hungary

grossman <grossman@...>
 

Vivian. I very much want to attend the session on Hungarian research
sources. Please advise if this note assures that I will be able to attend,
or what I have to do to assure a place at the session. . I have already
registered for the conference and look forward to seeing you there.
I just got back >from Hungary, My trip included four days in two little
villages near Kisvarda where my grandparents and great-grandparents grew up.
I had a wonderful time, and learned a great deal, but I feel that I am just
at the tip of the iceberg. and I am dying to learn more. Thanks for all
your hard work.
Ted Grossman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vivian Kahn" <vkahn@kmort.com>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:45 PM
Subject: [h-sig] Registration for Hungarian Research Session


I'm very pleased about the interest in the workshop I'm presenting at the
IAJGS conference on Hungarian research sources on the web. Registration
for this session opens on Sunday and will continue until the numbers
exceed available computers. I believe that we can handle 25 students per
session. The session will be on Thursday, August 17, >from 2:45 to 4 pm.

This promises to be an outstanding conference. Click on http://
www.jgsny2006.org/ to check the program on-line. Make sure to leave
time for the Hungarian SIG business meeting, which will be held right
before the workshop >from 1:15 PM - 2:30 PM on Thursday, and the Hungarian
SIG luncheon at 12:30 on Tuesday, Aug. 15. We're working out
arrangements w. our luncheon speaker and hope to have an announcement
very soon.

Vivian Kahn, H-SIG Coordinator


Re: WIEDER fm Borsa, Maramures #hungary

Michelle Ruggiero
 

Hi Vivian,
My mother also is Berkovits >from her mothers side, they were >from
Nankova, Lypsha, Chernowits. If there is any information or
connection, please let me know.

Michelle Ruggiero, Staten Island, NY
Researching:

Fuchs/Cherna, Berkovits/Nankova, Breyer/Miskolc, Nusovics/
Chust,Moscovich/Lypcha

On May 22, 2006, at 2:40 AM, Vivian Kahn wrote:

While reviewing lists of names >from the Hungarian Labor Battalions,
I found a WIEDER Pinhasz b. 1900 Borsa, Maramaros, son of Cipora
KAHAN. My grandfather Chaim KAHAN, who was born in Sziget,
Maramaros, in 1869 had a sister named Cipora (Czipre) b. Sziget
1862. If you have any information about this family please let me
know.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching:

ADLER/Sighet, Berbesti, Rom (Bardfalva, Hun); Sighet (Sziget, Hun.)
BAL/BERKOVITS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros,
Hung.); Seini, Rom. (Szinervaralja, Hun), Vamfalu, Hung. (Vama,
Rom.),NYC, Detroit, Israel
FRIEDMAN/Sighet
GROSZ/Orasu Nou, Rom., Szatmar megye, Hung.
KAHN/KAHAN/KOHN/Sighet, Rom.(Maramarossziget, Hun), London
ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros, Hun.)
ZEGAL/Maramaros, Hun


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Registration for Hungarian Research Session #hungary

grossman <grossman@...>
 

Vivian. I very much want to attend the session on Hungarian research
sources. Please advise if this note assures that I will be able to attend,
or what I have to do to assure a place at the session. . I have already
registered for the conference and look forward to seeing you there.
I just got back >from Hungary, My trip included four days in two little
villages near Kisvarda where my grandparents and great-grandparents grew up.
I had a wonderful time, and learned a great deal, but I feel that I am just
at the tip of the iceberg. and I am dying to learn more. Thanks for all
your hard work.
Ted Grossman

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vivian Kahn" <vkahn@kmort.com>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:45 PM
Subject: [h-sig] Registration for Hungarian Research Session


I'm very pleased about the interest in the workshop I'm presenting at the
IAJGS conference on Hungarian research sources on the web. Registration
for this session opens on Sunday and will continue until the numbers
exceed available computers. I believe that we can handle 25 students per
session. The session will be on Thursday, August 17, >from 2:45 to 4 pm.

This promises to be an outstanding conference. Click on http://
www.jgsny2006.org/ to check the program on-line. Make sure to leave
time for the Hungarian SIG business meeting, which will be held right
before the workshop >from 1:15 PM - 2:30 PM on Thursday, and the Hungarian
SIG luncheon at 12:30 on Tuesday, Aug. 15. We're working out
arrangements w. our luncheon speaker and hope to have an announcement
very soon.

Vivian Kahn, H-SIG Coordinator


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: WIEDER fm Borsa, Maramures #hungary

Michelle Ruggiero
 

Hi Vivian,
My mother also is Berkovits >from her mothers side, they were >from
Nankova, Lypsha, Chernowits. If there is any information or
connection, please let me know.

Michelle Ruggiero, Staten Island, NY
Researching:

Fuchs/Cherna, Berkovits/Nankova, Breyer/Miskolc, Nusovics/
Chust,Moscovich/Lypcha

On May 22, 2006, at 2:40 AM, Vivian Kahn wrote:

While reviewing lists of names >from the Hungarian Labor Battalions,
I found a WIEDER Pinhasz b. 1900 Borsa, Maramaros, son of Cipora
KAHAN. My grandfather Chaim KAHAN, who was born in Sziget,
Maramaros, in 1869 had a sister named Cipora (Czipre) b. Sziget
1862. If you have any information about this family please let me
know.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching:

ADLER/Sighet, Berbesti, Rom (Bardfalva, Hun); Sighet (Sziget, Hun.)
BAL/BERKOVITS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros,
Hung.); Seini, Rom. (Szinervaralja, Hun), Vamfalu, Hung. (Vama,
Rom.),NYC, Detroit, Israel
FRIEDMAN/Sighet
GROSZ/Orasu Nou, Rom., Szatmar megye, Hung.
KAHN/KAHAN/KOHN/Sighet, Rom.(Maramarossziget, Hun), London
ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros, Hun.)
ZEGAL/Maramaros, Hun


Slovak translation needed #hungary

Tomer Brunner
 

Dear H-Siggers,

I'm planing to write to the register office in Chonkovce, a village not far
from
Sobrance (east Slovakia), where my ELOVITS (ELOVIC) family lived.

I hope that writing in Slovakian will help me get a positive reply and I
would
most appreciate if anyone with Slovak language skills can help me translate
the letter
(of few lines >from it) >from English. Its about 1 page.

Please contact me privately if you can help.

Many thanks for your help and Shabat Shalom,

Tomer Brunner, Israel.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Slovak translation needed #hungary

Tomer Brunner
 

Dear H-Siggers,

I'm planing to write to the register office in Chonkovce, a village not far
from
Sobrance (east Slovakia), where my ELOVITS (ELOVIC) family lived.

I hope that writing in Slovakian will help me get a positive reply and I
would
most appreciate if anyone with Slovak language skills can help me translate
the letter
(of few lines >from it) >from English. Its about 1 page.

Please contact me privately if you can help.

Many thanks for your help and Shabat Shalom,

Tomer Brunner, Israel.


Re: Jewish Hospital, Berlin #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Sarah Helm" wrote
I am looking for anyone who has first hand information (oral testimony or
documents) about this place and about who worked there and was imprisoned
there during the war. In particularly I am looking for anyone who knew a
Jewish woman artist called Aenne Pahl, who was imprisoned there >from 1942
to 1945.
I note that there is a Pahl Museum in Mainhardt-Gailsbach, Germany, which
celebrates her husband, the architect and painter Manfred Pahl (1900-1994)
http://www.limesprojekt.de/mainhardt3a.htm

I gather that there is a book about the hospital "Refuge in Hell: How
Berlin's Jewish Hospital Outlasted the Nazis" by Danielle B Silver.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish Hospital, Berlin #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Sarah Helm" wrote
I am looking for anyone who has first hand information (oral testimony or
documents) about this place and about who worked there and was imprisoned
there during the war. In particularly I am looking for anyone who knew a
Jewish woman artist called Aenne Pahl, who was imprisoned there >from 1942
to 1945.
I note that there is a Pahl Museum in Mainhardt-Gailsbach, Germany, which
celebrates her husband, the architect and painter Manfred Pahl (1900-1994)
http://www.limesprojekt.de/mainhardt3a.htm

I gather that there is a book about the hospital "Refuge in Hell: How
Berlin's Jewish Hospital Outlasted the Nazis" by Danielle B Silver.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


Re: Jewish Hospital, Berlin #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Daniel Silver's book "Refuge in Hell: How Berlin's Jewish Hospital
Outlasted the Nazis" doesn't mention Aenne Pahl specifically, but has
many references to sources, etc.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

Sarah Helm wrote:

I am looking for anyone who has first hand information (oral testimony or
documents) about this place and about who worked there and was imprisoned
there during the war. In particularly I am looking for anyone who knew a
Jewish woman artist called Aenne Pahl, who was imprisoned there >from 1942 to
1945.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish Hospital, Berlin #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Daniel Silver's book "Refuge in Hell: How Berlin's Jewish Hospital
Outlasted the Nazis" doesn't mention Aenne Pahl specifically, but has
many references to sources, etc.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ USA

Sarah Helm wrote:

I am looking for anyone who has first hand information (oral testimony or
documents) about this place and about who worked there and was imprisoned
there during the war. In particularly I am looking for anyone who knew a
Jewish woman artist called Aenne Pahl, who was imprisoned there >from 1942 to
1945.


Re: mail rejects #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:55:02 UTC, IsraelP@pikholz.org (Israel P) opined:

Does anyone know if the American internet provider comcast has something
that blocks genealogy-related email? (Or mail >from Israel, perhaps?)

I have been getting blacklist announcements >from them the last few days
for mail to two very regular correspondents and when I contact their
blacklist site, it does no good.

Israel Pickholtz
Israel...

Comcast does not block mail >from Israel, and certainly not mail with
genealogical content. >from your description, I would guess that the bounce
messages contain a reference to Spamcop or some similar agency. What it
means is that somebody (probably more than one person) has reported abuse
from an IP address that you have used (i.e. that was assigned to you by your
ISP). I am sure you didn't do anything abusive, but it may well me that your
computer has an "open relay" that some hacker with too much time on his
hands has used to send messages unbeknownst to you, >from your machine (i.e.
your IP address). Or another wiseguy has penetrated your system and used
your address book to send messages >from it. There are a few other
possibilities. This kind of thing happens to everybody eventually. There is
nothing whatever that you can do about the disability. The up side is that,
if complaints against you do not continue, the blockage will be removed
automatically in a few days. If you want to discuss this, give me a ring or
drop me email. You know my address.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.

MODERATOR NOTE: This posting has been allowed because part of the response
is of general interest. The last sentence referring to a personal matter is not
normally allowed. A second posting >from this writer was disallowed for the same
reason.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: mail rejects #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:55:02 UTC, IsraelP@pikholz.org (Israel P) opined:

Does anyone know if the American internet provider comcast has something
that blocks genealogy-related email? (Or mail >from Israel, perhaps?)

I have been getting blacklist announcements >from them the last few days
for mail to two very regular correspondents and when I contact their
blacklist site, it does no good.

Israel Pickholtz
Israel...

Comcast does not block mail >from Israel, and certainly not mail with
genealogical content. >from your description, I would guess that the bounce
messages contain a reference to Spamcop or some similar agency. What it
means is that somebody (probably more than one person) has reported abuse
from an IP address that you have used (i.e. that was assigned to you by your
ISP). I am sure you didn't do anything abusive, but it may well me that your
computer has an "open relay" that some hacker with too much time on his
hands has used to send messages unbeknownst to you, >from your machine (i.e.
your IP address). Or another wiseguy has penetrated your system and used
your address book to send messages >from it. There are a few other
possibilities. This kind of thing happens to everybody eventually. There is
nothing whatever that you can do about the disability. The up side is that,
if complaints against you do not continue, the blockage will be removed
automatically in a few days. If you want to discuss this, give me a ring or
drop me email. You know my address.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.

MODERATOR NOTE: This posting has been allowed because part of the response
is of general interest. The last sentence referring to a personal matter is not
normally allowed. A second posting >from this writer was disallowed for the same
reason.


Polish names #general

Annemarie Jutel <jutel@...>
 

from PolishRoots, I learn that the endings "owicz" means "son of" and
"-ewna" means an unmarried woman.
Two questions:
1) does "-ewena" give me any information about the woman's father's name?
(Judelewena=daughter of Judel?), and
2) what if JRI Poland records "so-and-so ber X-owicz" - is this the son of
the son of X (I am presuming "ber" is, in fact "ben," but please correct me
if you think I err), or the son of X?

Many thanks,

Annemarie Jutel
Wellington, NZ

Researching:
DROZDOWITZ/DROZDOWICZ/DROZDOW/DROSDOWITZ of Plonsk, Zakroczym, Chicago,
Ogden (UT), Indianapolis and New York. GOLDSTEIN Marijampol, HIRSCHLER
Manheim and Hessheim, MANHEIM Ottensoos, San Francisco, KAHN Hannover, San
Francisco LOEB Strasbourg, San Francisco and STEINBERG Marijampole(?),
Louisville, KY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish names #general

Annemarie Jutel <jutel@...>
 

from PolishRoots, I learn that the endings "owicz" means "son of" and
"-ewna" means an unmarried woman.
Two questions:
1) does "-ewena" give me any information about the woman's father's name?
(Judelewena=daughter of Judel?), and
2) what if JRI Poland records "so-and-so ber X-owicz" - is this the son of
the son of X (I am presuming "ber" is, in fact "ben," but please correct me
if you think I err), or the son of X?

Many thanks,

Annemarie Jutel
Wellington, NZ

Researching:
DROZDOWITZ/DROZDOWICZ/DROZDOW/DROSDOWITZ of Plonsk, Zakroczym, Chicago,
Ogden (UT), Indianapolis and New York. GOLDSTEIN Marijampol, HIRSCHLER
Manheim and Hessheim, MANHEIM Ottensoos, San Francisco, KAHN Hannover, San
Francisco LOEB Strasbourg, San Francisco and STEINBERG Marijampole(?),
Louisville, KY