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Re: Superstitions #unitedkingdom

Aubrey Jacobus <zen28027@...>
 

So far I recogise everyone of the mentioned superstitions plus a few
others -
stroking a cat will give you a Katzenkopf
mustnt sew a button on a garment while worn but if you do chew a piece
of cotton.
my dad z"l would tear up his betting slip if he saw a nun on a way to
the bookie !!
I am conscious of them all 60 years later if I defy the "rules"

Sayings are another field ..
Has anyone heard of "Toytele's business" - ie a dead loss
or
You're as clever as "Roch's ferd " - ( Roch's horse )

Aubrey Jacobus
London


Judy Wolkovitch wrote:

And I thought my mother was the superstition queen!! Apparently when
talking of dead people you have to pull your ear. I remember as a child
running away >from my mother so she would not be able to pull mine (she 'got
me' an hour later!!)

Judy Wolkovitch
Los Angeles


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Superstitions #unitedkingdom

Aubrey Jacobus <zen28027@...>
 

So far I recogise everyone of the mentioned superstitions plus a few
others -
stroking a cat will give you a Katzenkopf
mustnt sew a button on a garment while worn but if you do chew a piece
of cotton.
my dad z"l would tear up his betting slip if he saw a nun on a way to
the bookie !!
I am conscious of them all 60 years later if I defy the "rules"

Sayings are another field ..
Has anyone heard of "Toytele's business" - ie a dead loss
or
You're as clever as "Roch's ferd " - ( Roch's horse )

Aubrey Jacobus
London


Judy Wolkovitch wrote:

And I thought my mother was the superstition queen!! Apparently when
talking of dead people you have to pull your ear. I remember as a child
running away >from my mother so she would not be able to pull mine (she 'got
me' an hour later!!)

Judy Wolkovitch
Los Angeles


Re: Superstitions #unitedkingdom

HPOLLINS@...
 

In a message dated 01/08/2006 15:32:22 GMT Standard Time,=20
henry.best1@ntlworld.com writes:
As to Harold's suggestion that, because he lived in Leytonstone, it may=20
account for his family's lack of superstition, I can only say that I live i=
n=20
Leytonstone now and there is no lack of superstition around here :-)

---------------------------------------------

I can only say - Touch=E9 =20


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Superstitions #unitedkingdom

HPOLLINS@...
 

In a message dated 01/08/2006 15:32:22 GMT Standard Time,=20
henry.best1@ntlworld.com writes:
As to Harold's suggestion that, because he lived in Leytonstone, it may=20
account for his family's lack of superstition, I can only say that I live i=
n=20
Leytonstone now and there is no lack of superstition around here :-)

---------------------------------------------

I can only say - Touch=E9 =20


Expulsion of Jews from Galician front lines to Russia 1915 #general

Barb & Howard
 

The Rohatyn Yiskor book alludes to more than 500 local Jewish males, as
being rounded up, arrested, taken away suspected German spies; they were
suddenly expelled by the Russians >from the forthcoming World War One front
lines battle area in 1915. It is said that more than 200 Rohatyner men died
on the roads of Russia during this period of expulsion until the survivors
began to return to their home area in Galicia in 1917 & 1918.

The Rohatyners were force marched almost 300 miles >from Rohatyn to Kiev;
they were then put on railway wagons and taken to a place called Chembar in
Penza Provence. They were kept in Chembar for several months before being
sent back as far as Tarnopol, which was still then under Russian control.
They languished in Tarnopol on their own recognizance. Every man had to
provide for himself in those difficult times for more than a year until
sometime after the German forces arrived.

Evidently this expulsion occurred all along the full length of the
German/Russian battle lines >from Lithuania to Bessarabia, and not just in
Galicia.

Can anyone advise where to seek more details about this little reported
Jewish Galician expulsion, and those who perished during this episode? Thus
far I have only been able to uncover scant expulsion information. Here in
the Western World the bulk of the available WWI reporting was concentrated
on the Western Front.

Howard STEINMETZ
Boulder, Colorado.

Researching primarily in the Rohatyn Galicia area. GOLDWURM; GRAD;
KLARNET;KREISLER;MESSING;PUDHEISER;RARES in Burshtyn; SCHWARTZ; SPIEGEL;
STEINMETZ; TEICHMAN; TOBIAS; & WILLIG.

Grodno, Belarus & Krinky, Poland- BELITSKY; BER; LABENSKY; ZUTS


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Expulsion of Jews from Galician front lines to Russia 1915 #general

Barb & Howard
 

The Rohatyn Yiskor book alludes to more than 500 local Jewish males, as
being rounded up, arrested, taken away suspected German spies; they were
suddenly expelled by the Russians >from the forthcoming World War One front
lines battle area in 1915. It is said that more than 200 Rohatyner men died
on the roads of Russia during this period of expulsion until the survivors
began to return to their home area in Galicia in 1917 & 1918.

The Rohatyners were force marched almost 300 miles >from Rohatyn to Kiev;
they were then put on railway wagons and taken to a place called Chembar in
Penza Provence. They were kept in Chembar for several months before being
sent back as far as Tarnopol, which was still then under Russian control.
They languished in Tarnopol on their own recognizance. Every man had to
provide for himself in those difficult times for more than a year until
sometime after the German forces arrived.

Evidently this expulsion occurred all along the full length of the
German/Russian battle lines >from Lithuania to Bessarabia, and not just in
Galicia.

Can anyone advise where to seek more details about this little reported
Jewish Galician expulsion, and those who perished during this episode? Thus
far I have only been able to uncover scant expulsion information. Here in
the Western World the bulk of the available WWI reporting was concentrated
on the Western Front.

Howard STEINMETZ
Boulder, Colorado.

Researching primarily in the Rohatyn Galicia area. GOLDWURM; GRAD;
KLARNET;KREISLER;MESSING;PUDHEISER;RARES in Burshtyn; SCHWARTZ; SPIEGEL;
STEINMETZ; TEICHMAN; TOBIAS; & WILLIG.

Grodno, Belarus & Krinky, Poland- BELITSKY; BER; LABENSKY; ZUTS


Re: Bay Ridge Pkwy & How to Find Phone #s Anywhere in US without a Surname #general

Sal & Ellen Barbieri <elsal@...>
 

Go to www.bigyellow.com
Go to people pages = white pages, then do reverse address look-up. This is a
bldg with listed phone #s for 10 apts. I went to www.ussearch.com to check
ages of 10 occupants, then made a suggestion as to 2 most likely people to
be the owner & to call based on their age & nationality.
Regards,
Ellen Barbieri
San Diego, CA
Searching: Zyman & Markus- Lubowo (Liubavas) & Suwalki; Kaplan, Kanowicz,
Kramarski - Suwalki;
Frydlandski, Jaworkowski - Filipow, Goldberg - ? same area, all to NYC abt
1870 via England.


Upcoming Election Procedures #lithuania

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

LitvakSIG will be holding an election for the Board of Directors at its
annual meeting on Monday, August 14, 2006 at the 26th IAJGS Conference in
New York City. At that time, all LitvakSIG members in good standing will be
given a ballot on which to cast their votes. As has been explained
previously, dues may be paid now to the Membership Chair or at the annual
meeting. If you have not paid your dues yet, want to vote and will be at
the meeting, please mail your checks now so as not to take up a lot of time
at the meeting, which has a full agenda. If mailing your dues, please do so
by August 5, 2006 to allow them to reach the Membership Chair in time to be
received and recorded.

All candidates for the LitvakSIG board must be dues paying members of the
organization, in good standing. Nominations are now being accepted by email
to esjoachim@optonline.net. Please submit all nominations to me no later
than Friday, August 11, 2006, 6P.M. (Eastern Time). Nominations will also
be accepted >from the floor at the annual meeting. Nominations >from the floor
should be limited to candidates present at the meeting, so the nominee can
indicate acceptance. I will compile the list of nominees, which will be
presented on the ballot in alphabetical order by surname, along with blank
spaces for any nominations presented >from the floor. This list of nominees
will also be published on the Discussion List which will enable you to learn
about the candidates.

Any nominees present at the annual meeting will be given the opportunity to
speak for one (1) minute - about 100 words. You may tell of your vision for
LitvakSIG and why you seek office. Any nominees who will not be present may
submit a statement of no more than 100 words to be read at the meeting.
There will not be any nominating or acceptance speeches.

This election is being conducted under the provisions of the original
LitvakSIG bylaws, which require at least five (5) board members. You may
vote for as few or as many candidates as you choose. In order to be
elected, a candidate must receive a majority (50 percent plus one) of the
votes cast. In the event that fewer than five (5) candidates are elected,
in accordance with the bylaws, candidates with the next largest number of
votes will be deemed elected to reach the necessary number of five (5)
Board members.

Amendments to the LitvakSIG bylaws may also be submitted to me for voting at
the annual meeting. The bylaws state: Amendments may be acted upon at any
meeting of LitvakSIG, Inc., provided that the amendment will have been
circulated at least ten (10) days in advance of the meeting. Kindly submit
any proposed amendments to me no later than Thursday, August 3, 2006, 6P.M.
(Eastern Time) in order for them to be published on the discussion list by
12 P.M. of that day.

Any proposed amendments to the bylaws will also appear on the ballot to be
distributed to membership at the annual meeting.

Questions, comments and kvetching may be addressed to me.

Respectfully,

Eden Joachim
Election Chair
Pomona, New York

esjoachim@optonline.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bay Ridge Pkwy & How to Find Phone #s Anywhere in US without a Surname #general

Sal & Ellen Barbieri <elsal@...>
 

Go to www.bigyellow.com
Go to people pages = white pages, then do reverse address look-up. This is a
bldg with listed phone #s for 10 apts. I went to www.ussearch.com to check
ages of 10 occupants, then made a suggestion as to 2 most likely people to
be the owner & to call based on their age & nationality.
Regards,
Ellen Barbieri
San Diego, CA
Searching: Zyman & Markus- Lubowo (Liubavas) & Suwalki; Kaplan, Kanowicz,
Kramarski - Suwalki;
Frydlandski, Jaworkowski - Filipow, Goldberg - ? same area, all to NYC abt
1870 via England.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Upcoming Election Procedures #lithuania

Eden Joachim <esjoachim@...>
 

LitvakSIG will be holding an election for the Board of Directors at its
annual meeting on Monday, August 14, 2006 at the 26th IAJGS Conference in
New York City. At that time, all LitvakSIG members in good standing will be
given a ballot on which to cast their votes. As has been explained
previously, dues may be paid now to the Membership Chair or at the annual
meeting. If you have not paid your dues yet, want to vote and will be at
the meeting, please mail your checks now so as not to take up a lot of time
at the meeting, which has a full agenda. If mailing your dues, please do so
by August 5, 2006 to allow them to reach the Membership Chair in time to be
received and recorded.

All candidates for the LitvakSIG board must be dues paying members of the
organization, in good standing. Nominations are now being accepted by email
to esjoachim@optonline.net. Please submit all nominations to me no later
than Friday, August 11, 2006, 6P.M. (Eastern Time). Nominations will also
be accepted >from the floor at the annual meeting. Nominations >from the floor
should be limited to candidates present at the meeting, so the nominee can
indicate acceptance. I will compile the list of nominees, which will be
presented on the ballot in alphabetical order by surname, along with blank
spaces for any nominations presented >from the floor. This list of nominees
will also be published on the Discussion List which will enable you to learn
about the candidates.

Any nominees present at the annual meeting will be given the opportunity to
speak for one (1) minute - about 100 words. You may tell of your vision for
LitvakSIG and why you seek office. Any nominees who will not be present may
submit a statement of no more than 100 words to be read at the meeting.
There will not be any nominating or acceptance speeches.

This election is being conducted under the provisions of the original
LitvakSIG bylaws, which require at least five (5) board members. You may
vote for as few or as many candidates as you choose. In order to be
elected, a candidate must receive a majority (50 percent plus one) of the
votes cast. In the event that fewer than five (5) candidates are elected,
in accordance with the bylaws, candidates with the next largest number of
votes will be deemed elected to reach the necessary number of five (5)
Board members.

Amendments to the LitvakSIG bylaws may also be submitted to me for voting at
the annual meeting. The bylaws state: Amendments may be acted upon at any
meeting of LitvakSIG, Inc., provided that the amendment will have been
circulated at least ten (10) days in advance of the meeting. Kindly submit
any proposed amendments to me no later than Thursday, August 3, 2006, 6P.M.
(Eastern Time) in order for them to be published on the discussion list by
12 P.M. of that day.

Any proposed amendments to the bylaws will also appear on the ballot to be
distributed to membership at the annual meeting.

Questions, comments and kvetching may be addressed to me.

Respectfully,

Eden Joachim
Election Chair
Pomona, New York

esjoachim@optonline.net


Re: Expulsion of Jews from France 22 July 1306 #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

At 10:08 AM +0100 8/1/06, Nick wrote:
According to the BBC Religion and Ethics Newsletter the Jews were expelled
from France by King Philip IV on 22 July 1306 (the day after the fast of 9th
Av in the Hebrew calendar - which is on Thursday).

I knew, of course, that the Jews were expelled >from England in 1290. I
hadn't appreciated that a similar fate subsequently happened to French Jews.
Yes, this is well known to Jewish historians. In fact, the Jews
were expelled >from France twice -- once in 1306 and again by Charles
VI in 1395 (after being allowed to come back at some point. Not to
mention Germany, where expulsions >from numerous cities occurred
periodically between the 13th and 15th centuries -- and sparked the
eastward emigration of Yiddish-speaking Jews to Poland. And of
course the Jews of Spain in 1492 suffered the most famous expulsion
of all.

However, it's important to know that this phenomenon of vicious
antisemitism became a feature of European Jewish life only with the
advent of the middle ages and the Crusades. (The ancient Roman
persecutions were not due to anti-semitism as such, but simply a
punishment for their defiance of Roman rule.) It was hardly known
prior to medieval times (largely because of the far greater tolerance
of Jews during the heyday slam, which was the western world's most
flourishing culture prior to the middle ages). I mention this
because most of us were misinformed in Hebrew school that
persecution of the Jews had been ongoing pretty much everywhere for
2,000 years ever since the advent of Christianity. This "lachrymose
theory of Jewish history" does not reflect historical truth. But the
period of the Crusades did give a boost to those who wanted to
scapegoat the Jews for religious or other reasons -- and the
phenomenon has persisted ever since.

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Expulsion of Jews from France 22 July 1306 #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

At 10:08 AM +0100 8/1/06, Nick wrote:
According to the BBC Religion and Ethics Newsletter the Jews were expelled
from France by King Philip IV on 22 July 1306 (the day after the fast of 9th
Av in the Hebrew calendar - which is on Thursday).

I knew, of course, that the Jews were expelled >from England in 1290. I
hadn't appreciated that a similar fate subsequently happened to French Jews.
Yes, this is well known to Jewish historians. In fact, the Jews
were expelled >from France twice -- once in 1306 and again by Charles
VI in 1395 (after being allowed to come back at some point. Not to
mention Germany, where expulsions >from numerous cities occurred
periodically between the 13th and 15th centuries -- and sparked the
eastward emigration of Yiddish-speaking Jews to Poland. And of
course the Jews of Spain in 1492 suffered the most famous expulsion
of all.

However, it's important to know that this phenomenon of vicious
antisemitism became a feature of European Jewish life only with the
advent of the middle ages and the Crusades. (The ancient Roman
persecutions were not due to anti-semitism as such, but simply a
punishment for their defiance of Roman rule.) It was hardly known
prior to medieval times (largely because of the far greater tolerance
of Jews during the heyday slam, which was the western world's most
flourishing culture prior to the middle ages). I mention this
because most of us were misinformed in Hebrew school that
persecution of the Jews had been ongoing pretty much everywhere for
2,000 years ever since the advent of Christianity. This "lachrymose
theory of Jewish history" does not reflect historical truth. But the
period of the Crusades did give a boost to those who wanted to
scapegoat the Jews for religious or other reasons -- and the
phenomenon has persisted ever since.

Judith Romney Wegner


Request for gravestone translation #general

Schorr, Ronald W <rschorr@...>
 

I have posted a photo of a gravestone on ViewMate
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8249

Last year I discovered the burial site of my grandmother in Union Fields
Cemetery in Queens, NY. I was quite surprised at the quality of the
stone because I believe my grandparents are not wealthy (poor, perhaps,
is the word).

I would appreciate if someone would translate the text on the stone. I
know that the first four lines are an acrostic spelling Feiga but what
does the text mean?

Also, if any of this information rings a bell, perhaps you could contact
me.

Please reply directly to :
rwwschorr@yahoo.com

My grandmother was Fanny Schor (or Schorr). Hebrew name, Feiga. Her
maiden name was Wolfman, daughter of Ephraim and Deborah. She was born
around 1873 and immigrated (>from Galicia?) to the US between 1882 and
1888. The organization associated with the cemetery plot was called
"Shiner Cheves"
Her husband was David Schor (later Schorr), son of Moses and Sarah and
he immigrated >from Galicia around 1895. A wild guess is that his Stetl
was around Sanok/Kanczuga/Przemysl.

Searching for:
Schorr or Schor >from Galicia
Wolfman >from Galicia
Lichtenstein >from Ostrowo


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Request for gravestone translation #general

Schorr, Ronald W <rschorr@...>
 

I have posted a photo of a gravestone on ViewMate
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8249

Last year I discovered the burial site of my grandmother in Union Fields
Cemetery in Queens, NY. I was quite surprised at the quality of the
stone because I believe my grandparents are not wealthy (poor, perhaps,
is the word).

I would appreciate if someone would translate the text on the stone. I
know that the first four lines are an acrostic spelling Feiga but what
does the text mean?

Also, if any of this information rings a bell, perhaps you could contact
me.

Please reply directly to :
rwwschorr@yahoo.com

My grandmother was Fanny Schor (or Schorr). Hebrew name, Feiga. Her
maiden name was Wolfman, daughter of Ephraim and Deborah. She was born
around 1873 and immigrated (>from Galicia?) to the US between 1882 and
1888. The organization associated with the cemetery plot was called
"Shiner Cheves"
Her husband was David Schor (later Schorr), son of Moses and Sarah and
he immigrated >from Galicia around 1895. A wild guess is that his Stetl
was around Sanok/Kanczuga/Przemysl.

Searching for:
Schorr or Schor >from Galicia
Wolfman >from Galicia
Lichtenstein >from Ostrowo


BIALYGen Meeting at the Conference #poland

Bialystoker
 

The IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in
New York City is less than 2 weeks away. The Third Annual
Meeting of the BIALYGen SIG will be held on Thursday, August
17 >from 2:45 PM to 4:00 PM in the Olmstead/ Gramercy Room on
the Seventh Floor of the Conference Hotel. I hope many of
you will be able to attend.

The planned Agenda for this meeting is as follows:

1. Introduction to BIALYGen -- who we are and what area we
cover

2. Special guest Dr. Rebecca Kobrin, Knapp Assistant
Professor of American Jewish History at Columbia University
will talk about her research for her upcoming book,
"Shifting Diasporas: Bialystok, Mass Migration and the
Reshaping of Modern Jewish Identity."

3. Eighteenth Century records for Bialystok area -- David
& Sonia Hoffman, The Jewish Family History Foundation
http://www.jewishfamilyhistory.org/

4. What's New at the BIALYGen website

5. BIALYGen Research Projects -- Sid Zabludoff, our Research
Coordinator will tell us about a few recent projects and
lead a discussion about ideas for future projects.

6. Judy Baston will summarize the 1919 Bialystok Community
Council Report.

7. Bialystok Cemetery status

8. New contacts in Knyszyn

Other presentations of interest to BialyGenners are:

JRI-Poland Luncheon -- Sunday 12:00 PM
JRI-Poland: What's New -- Monday 8:00 AM
A Tour of the JRI-Poland Website -- Monday 9:30 AM
Holdings of the Jewish Historical Institute in Warsaw --
Tuesday 9:30 AM
Preservation of Jewish Cemeteries -- Tuesday 1:45 PM
18th Century Records of Grand Duchy of Lithuania (includes
Bialystok) -- Tuesday 4:45 PM
Morgenthau Mission to Poland to Investigate 1919 Pogroms --
Wednesday 4:45 PM

If you cannot come to the BIALYGen meeting, a summary of the
meeting will be posted to this forum as well as on the
website.

Hoping to see many of you in NYC.

Mark Halpern
BIALYGen Coordinator


Superstitions #unitedkingdom

Stan Rose <stan@...>
 

How about the one where it was dangerous to have a button, or something,
sewn on when you were wearing the garment for fear having your mind (?)
sewn up as well.

And my Dad frequently did the three spits!

Stan Rose.
**************


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland BIALYGen Meeting at the Conference #poland

Bialystoker
 

The IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in
New York City is less than 2 weeks away. The Third Annual
Meeting of the BIALYGen SIG will be held on Thursday, August
17 >from 2:45 PM to 4:00 PM in the Olmstead/ Gramercy Room on
the Seventh Floor of the Conference Hotel. I hope many of
you will be able to attend.

The planned Agenda for this meeting is as follows:

1. Introduction to BIALYGen -- who we are and what area we
cover

2. Special guest Dr. Rebecca Kobrin, Knapp Assistant
Professor of American Jewish History at Columbia University
will talk about her research for her upcoming book,
"Shifting Diasporas: Bialystok, Mass Migration and the
Reshaping of Modern Jewish Identity."

3. Eighteenth Century records for Bialystok area -- David
& Sonia Hoffman, The Jewish Family History Foundation
http://www.jewishfamilyhistory.org/

4. What's New at the BIALYGen website

5. BIALYGen Research Projects -- Sid Zabludoff, our Research
Coordinator will tell us about a few recent projects and
lead a discussion about ideas for future projects.

6. Judy Baston will summarize the 1919 Bialystok Community
Council Report.

7. Bialystok Cemetery status

8. New contacts in Knyszyn

Other presentations of interest to BialyGenners are:

JRI-Poland Luncheon -- Sunday 12:00 PM
JRI-Poland: What's New -- Monday 8:00 AM
A Tour of the JRI-Poland Website -- Monday 9:30 AM
Holdings of the Jewish Historical Institute in Warsaw --
Tuesday 9:30 AM
Preservation of Jewish Cemeteries -- Tuesday 1:45 PM
18th Century Records of Grand Duchy of Lithuania (includes
Bialystok) -- Tuesday 4:45 PM
Morgenthau Mission to Poland to Investigate 1919 Pogroms --
Wednesday 4:45 PM

If you cannot come to the BIALYGen meeting, a summary of the
meeting will be posted to this forum as well as on the
website.

Hoping to see many of you in NYC.

Mark Halpern
BIALYGen Coordinator


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Superstitions #unitedkingdom

Stan Rose <stan@...>
 

How about the one where it was dangerous to have a button, or something,
sewn on when you were wearing the garment for fear having your mind (?)
sewn up as well.

And my Dad frequently did the three spits!

Stan Rose.
**************


Re: Superstitions #unitedkingdom

Ina Levitt-Yanover
 

I love this thread. The customs, traditions, superstitions and recipes,
for me, make our ancestors live.

My grandfather >from Staszow, Poland was horrified when I stepped over
my sister who was lying on the floor watching TV. "She won't grow", he
said, in a shocked tone of voice. I had to step back over her so that
she would grow.

She is actually quite short. Maybe there is something to these
superstitions!

Ina Levitt-Yanover
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

(where it feels more like the tropics with a predicted humidex of 46
for this afternoon)


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Superstitions #unitedkingdom

Ina Levitt-Yanover
 

I love this thread. The customs, traditions, superstitions and recipes,
for me, make our ancestors live.

My grandfather >from Staszow, Poland was horrified when I stepped over
my sister who was lying on the floor watching TV. "She won't grow", he
said, in a shocked tone of voice. I had to step back over her so that
she would grow.

She is actually quite short. Maybe there is something to these
superstitions!

Ina Levitt-Yanover
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

(where it feels more like the tropics with a predicted humidex of 46
for this afternoon)