In a message dated 6/27/2006 10:13:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
_gerryadel@adelphia.net_ (mailto:gerryadel@adelphia.net) writes:

<< Itz Chaim Mazika Hurav

"I believe Mazika is a town or shtetl in Lithuania." >>

Dear Geraldine

I believe you are mistaken.

"Mazika Hurav" is an expression meaning "the supporters of the Rabbi"
and is not the name of a town

Arye Gordon
Los Angeles

In a message dated 6/27/2006 10:13:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
_gerryadel@adelphia.net_ (mailto:gerryadel@adelphia.net) writes:

<< Itz Chaim Mazika Hurav

"I believe Mazika is a town or shtetl in Lithuania." >>

Dear Geraldine

I believe you are mistaken.

"Mazika Hurav" is an expression meaning "the supporters of the Rabbi"
and is not the name of a town

Arye Gordon
Los Angeles

Sarah Helm wrote on 30 jun 2006 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

I am looking for anyone who has first hand information (oral testimony
or documents) about this place and about who worked there and was
imprisoned there during the war. In particularly I am looking for
anyone who knew a Jewish woman artist called Aenne Pahl, who was
imprisoned there >from 1942 to 1945.

The Pahl museum can be contacted here:

<http://www.netmuseum.de/museum.aspx?
strGemeinde=&nr=&thema=&mname=&mort=&mperson=&mschlagwort=Pahl%
2c+Manfred&strBegriff=&strPerson=Pahl%2c+Manfred&strArt=&strBuchstabe=P&id=
542&sicht=einzeln>

or:

<http://tinyurl.com/s7dj6>;

They give an email address and phone/fax.

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

Sarah Helm wrote on 30 jun 2006 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

I am looking for anyone who has first hand information (oral testimony
or documents) about this place and about who worked there and was
imprisoned there during the war. In particularly I am looking for
anyone who knew a Jewish woman artist called Aenne Pahl, who was
imprisoned there >from 1942 to 1945.

The Pahl museum can be contacted here:

<http://www.netmuseum.de/museum.aspx?
strGemeinde=&nr=&thema=&mname=&mort=&mperson=&mschlagwort=Pahl%
2c+Manfred&strBegriff=&strPerson=Pahl%2c+Manfred&strArt=&strBuchstabe=P&id=
542&sicht=einzeln>

or:

<http://tinyurl.com/s7dj6>;

They give an email address and phone/fax.

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

Great news that we can now order on line >from the US National Archives. I
was trying to find the fee schedule and it looks like to order
naturalization records, the charge is the same $.50/page (regular size
paper) that they charge to do it when at the Archives? Minimum order is $10?

This seems too cheap. Did I miss the right schedule? Can someone give me the
link to the fees?

J Barnett
Bensalem, PA

Great news that we can now order on line >from the US National Archives. I
was trying to find the fee schedule and it looks like to order
naturalization records, the charge is the same $.50/page (regular size
paper) that they charge to do it when at the Archives? Minimum order is $10?

This seems too cheap. Did I miss the right schedule? Can someone give me the
link to the fees?

J Barnett
Bensalem, PA

There do not appear to be any postings today. Is there a problem?

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen apologizes for the absence of the site over the last
two days caused by a technical problem. Many thanks to all those who sent
postings asking where we were. The backlog will be cleared today, Friday.

There do not appear to be any postings today. Is there a problem?

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen apologizes for the absence of the site over the last
two days caused by a technical problem. Many thanks to all those who sent
postings asking where we were. The backlog will be cleared today, Friday.

Greetings all,

It seems that the data entered into the Mt. Zion searchable database was
taken >from the computer they use in the office to locate burials. There were
periods of time (could have been decades ago) when burials were being
inputted into their computers and for some unknown reason (perhaps haste)
were inputted without the full dates of death (please note that these dates
are actually burial dates--they know they have to change this, but remember
the site just went up the other day and the kinks need to be worked out).
The person at the time who inputted the burial information used the number 1
to indicate the day of death. Little by little, the cemetery will be
inputting the correct days of death/burial, so be patient. Also the "Block"
field does no good for now. It really should be Gate No., as we really know
how to locate a society by path and gate numbers. Hopefully, this will be
corrected soon too. Please give them time to work out the kinks. Ideally,
one should be able to place the correct path number and gate number into the
search fields. This will hopefully happen soon, but realize all this will
not happen overnight.

Also, if you happen to notice that the given name or surname in their
database is different than what you know it to be, they will only be able to
change it if you show them a copy of their death certificate and it
indicates the name you want it changed to. They normally check three of
their in-office sources to see if there is a discrepancy in the names, but
if in all three sources the name is the same as what's already in their
database, it stays that way until they see the death certificate.

Rest assured that I will keep you up-to-date on any changes that might occur
with their database, so stay tuned. The people in the Mt. Zion cemetery
office are very nice and helpful and will do whatever they can to help all
of us.

By the way, Mt. Zion still will take gravestone photos for a fee. You can
see their policy on my cemetery directory page at
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/cp-directory.htm . Note that on the same page
I now have contact info for the Silver Lake and Mt. Richmond Cemeteries
which are under the aegis of the Hebrew Free Burial Association.

Regards,
Steve Lasky
New York
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com

Greetings all,

It seems that the data entered into the Mt. Zion searchable database was
taken >from the computer they use in the office to locate burials. There were
periods of time (could have been decades ago) when burials were being
inputted into their computers and for some unknown reason (perhaps haste)
were inputted without the full dates of death (please note that these dates
are actually burial dates--they know they have to change this, but remember
the site just went up the other day and the kinks need to be worked out).
The person at the time who inputted the burial information used the number 1
to indicate the day of death. Little by little, the cemetery will be
inputting the correct days of death/burial, so be patient. Also the "Block"
field does no good for now. It really should be Gate No., as we really know
how to locate a society by path and gate numbers. Hopefully, this will be
corrected soon too. Please give them time to work out the kinks. Ideally,
one should be able to place the correct path number and gate number into the
search fields. This will hopefully happen soon, but realize all this will
not happen overnight.

Also, if you happen to notice that the given name or surname in their
database is different than what you know it to be, they will only be able to
change it if you show them a copy of their death certificate and it
indicates the name you want it changed to. They normally check three of
their in-office sources to see if there is a discrepancy in the names, but
if in all three sources the name is the same as what's already in their
database, it stays that way until they see the death certificate.

Rest assured that I will keep you up-to-date on any changes that might occur
with their database, so stay tuned. The people in the Mt. Zion cemetery
office are very nice and helpful and will do whatever they can to help all
of us.

By the way, Mt. Zion still will take gravestone photos for a fee. You can
see their policy on my cemetery directory page at
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/cp-directory.htm . Note that on the same page
I now have contact info for the Silver Lake and Mt. Richmond Cemeteries
which are under the aegis of the Hebrew Free Burial Association.

Regards,
Steve Lasky
New York
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com

Dear Genners,

Does anyone know how on earth a family received the surname CHAPFLEISCH or
CHOPFLEISCH (appears in one U.K. document as HAPFLEISCH but was pronounced
with the Yiddish guttural "Ch"). The family originated in Kamenetz-Podolskiy
(and were supposed to have owned a restaurant) and I cant find any reference
in your data other than the UK one (a reference to naturalisation).

You may well chortle, but this name was kept a secret >from younger family
members who were told that the original family name "was a long Yiddish name
the immigration officials couldn't pronounce or spell so they asked for
another name". So the family were registered under a completely
unconnected, innocuous and seemingly English name.

The family's Immigration to the UK was at the turn of the 20th century
(well, approx. 1906).

I cant imagine the family chose this name for themselves. I know there's
been correspondence re ghastly names rarely being forced on Jewish families.

I should appreciate any assistance.

Searching re HAPFLEISCH, CHAPFLEISCH, CHOPFLEISCH, JANES
(Kamenetz-Podolskiy, Ukraine), RABINOWITZ, GOLDBERG (Bratslav, Ukraine),
GUTTMANN (Kobyla Gora, Galizia and Wroclaw/Breslau), KOPP (Graudenz,
Wroclaw/Breslau and Erfurt).

Kind Regards,
Virginia Lenzinger
e-mail: lanzeger@hagoshrim.org.il

Moderator's Note: Personal information redacted for your safety.

Dear Genners,

Does anyone know how on earth a family received the surname CHAPFLEISCH or
CHOPFLEISCH (appears in one U.K. document as HAPFLEISCH but was pronounced
with the Yiddish guttural "Ch"). The family originated in Kamenetz-Podolskiy
(and were supposed to have owned a restaurant) and I cant find any reference
in your data other than the UK one (a reference to naturalisation).

You may well chortle, but this name was kept a secret >from younger family
members who were told that the original family name "was a long Yiddish name
the immigration officials couldn't pronounce or spell so they asked for
another name". So the family were registered under a completely
unconnected, innocuous and seemingly English name.

The family's Immigration to the UK was at the turn of the 20th century
(well, approx. 1906).

I cant imagine the family chose this name for themselves. I know there's
been correspondence re ghastly names rarely being forced on Jewish families.

I should appreciate any assistance.

Searching re HAPFLEISCH, CHAPFLEISCH, CHOPFLEISCH, JANES
(Kamenetz-Podolskiy, Ukraine), RABINOWITZ, GOLDBERG (Bratslav, Ukraine),
GUTTMANN (Kobyla Gora, Galizia and Wroclaw/Breslau), KOPP (Graudenz,
Wroclaw/Breslau and Erfurt).

Kind Regards,
Virginia Lenzinger
e-mail: lanzeger@hagoshrim.org.il

Moderator's Note: Personal information redacted for your safety.

There are people listed in the society Podolier 1 - any idea what society
this is?
Rose Feldman

There are people listed in the society Podolier 1 - any idea what society
this is?
Rose Feldman

Greetings all,

It seems that the data entered into the Mt. Zion searchable database was
taken >from the computer they use in the office to locate burials. There were
periods of time (could have been decades ago) when burials were being
inputted into their computers and for some unknown reason (perhaps haste)
were inputted without the full dates of death (please note that these dates
are actually burial dates--they know they have to change this, but remember
the site just went up the other day and the kinks need to be worked out).
The person at the time who inputted the burial information used the number 1
to indicate the day of death. Little by little, the cemetery will be
inputting the correct days of death/burial, so be patient. Also the "Block"
field does no good for now. It really should be Gate No., as we really know
how to locate a society by path and gate numbers. Hopefully, this will be
corrected soon too. Please give them time to work out the kinks. Ideally,
one should be able to place the correct path number and gate number into the
search fields. This will hopefully happen soon, but realize all this will
not happen overnight.

Also, if you happen to notice that the given name or surname in their
database is different than what you know it to be, they will only be able to
change it if you show them a copy of their death certificate and it
indicates the name you want it changed to. They normally check three of
their in-office sources to see if there is a discrepancy in the names, but
if in all three sources the name is the same as what's already in their
database, it stays that way until they see the death certificate.

Rest assured that I will keep you up-to-date on any changes that might occur
with their database, so stay tuned. The people in the Mt. Zion cemetery
office are very nice and helpful and will do whatever they can to help all
of us.

By the way, Mt. Zion still will take gravestone photos for a fee. You can
see their policy on my cemetery directory page at
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/cp-directory.htm . Note that on the same page
I now have contact info for the Silver Lake and Mt. Richmond Cemeteries
which are under the aegis of the Hebrew Free Burial Association.

Regards,
Steve Lasky
New York
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com

Greetings all,

It seems that the data entered into the Mt. Zion searchable database was
taken >from the computer they use in the office to locate burials. There were
periods of time (could have been decades ago) when burials were being
inputted into their computers and for some unknown reason (perhaps haste)
were inputted without the full dates of death (please note that these dates
are actually burial dates--they know they have to change this, but remember
the site just went up the other day and the kinks need to be worked out).
The person at the time who inputted the burial information used the number 1
to indicate the day of death. Little by little, the cemetery will be
inputting the correct days of death/burial, so be patient. Also the "Block"
field does no good for now. It really should be Gate No., as we really know
how to locate a society by path and gate numbers. Hopefully, this will be
corrected soon too. Please give them time to work out the kinks. Ideally,
one should be able to place the correct path number and gate number into the
search fields. This will hopefully happen soon, but realize all this will
not happen overnight.

Also, if you happen to notice that the given name or surname in their
database is different than what you know it to be, they will only be able to
change it if you show them a copy of their death certificate and it
indicates the name you want it changed to. They normally check three of
their in-office sources to see if there is a discrepancy in the names, but
if in all three sources the name is the same as what's already in their
database, it stays that way until they see the death certificate.

Rest assured that I will keep you up-to-date on any changes that might occur
with their database, so stay tuned. The people in the Mt. Zion cemetery
office are very nice and helpful and will do whatever they can to help all
of us.

By the way, Mt. Zion still will take gravestone photos for a fee. You can
see their policy on my cemetery directory page at
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/cp-directory.htm . Note that on the same page
I now have contact info for the Silver Lake and Mt. Richmond Cemeteries
which are under the aegis of the Hebrew Free Burial Association.

Regards,
Steve Lasky
New York
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com

Shalom,

Does anybody know who was called the "Gaon of Zelechow" in Poland?

Thank you very much.
Claire Sztern-Jarach
Paris, France

Shalom,

Does anybody know who was called the "Gaon of Zelechow" in Poland?

Thank you very much.
Claire Sztern-Jarach
Paris, France

I have two relatives buried at Mt. Zion (NY) whose death certificates I
possess. One death date is listed as the first of the month while actual
date of death was the 19th of that month. The other death date, however,
lists as date of death the date of interment.

I have one relative buried at Mt. Hebron (NY) whose death date in the
cemetery records corresponds to the date on his matzeva.

In working with the cemetery records for Mt. Carmel Cemetery in Los
Angeles, I have found that the date listed in their records is routinely
the date of interment.

All the above suggests that it is necessary to verify date of death
rather than taking for granted that dates listed in cemetery records are
accurate.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA

I have two relatives buried at Mt. Zion (NY) whose death certificates I
possess. One death date is listed as the first of the month while actual
date of death was the 19th of that month. The other death date, however,
lists as date of death the date of interment.

I have one relative buried at Mt. Hebron (NY) whose death date in the
cemetery records corresponds to the date on his matzeva.

In working with the cemetery records for Mt. Carmel Cemetery in Los
Angeles, I have found that the date listed in their records is routinely
the date of interment.

All the above suggests that it is necessary to verify date of death
rather than taking for granted that dates listed in cemetery records are
accurate.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA