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*Re: Surname TOTH #hungary

Robert Neu
 

While I don't want to beat "Toth" to death, I am not aware that it is specifically a "Jewish"
name. I have known a number of non Jewish non relatad to each other Hungarians whose last name is
Toth.

Robert

Moderator: I think that we have, in fact, beaten this topic to death. This thread is now ended unless someone has something new to add that will be of use to those researching TOTH family.
--- Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br> wrote:

Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:16:48 -0300
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
From: Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Subject: [h-sig] *Re: Surname TOTH

Dear all,

There is a bit of a confusion about certain Hungarian ethnic expressions in use mainly in the
19th century and early 20th, such as TO'T (Slovak), RA'C (Serbian), OLA'H (Romanian), SV'AB
(Hungarian German, which by the way is the Hungarian word for cockroach), GA'DZSI (gypsy), VLAH
(Bosnian), RUSZKY (Russian) and so on.

They all were kind of pejorative, at least demeaning, much like disparaging expressions such as
PATTY, INJUN, and GRINGO are in the US. And when somebody took such designation as a surname,
mainly Jews, it somehow meant that it was forced on the person.

Regards
Tom

At 00:05 -0500 22.06.2006, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Re: Surname TOTH
From: tom klein <h-sig@ecologicaltech.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:50:38 -0400
X-Message-Number: 6

Toth means slovakian, and the -th is pronounced as if the h wasn't there (not like the english
th). some other nationalities that sometimes appear as surnames: Horvath (croatian), Legyel
(polish), Nemeth (german).

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Sao Paulo - Brazil

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Hungary SIG #Hungary Fwd: *Re: Surname TOTH #hungary

Robert Neu
 

While I don't want to beat "Toth" to death, I am not aware that it is specifically a "Jewish"
name. I have known a number of non Jewish non relatad to each other Hungarians whose last name is
Toth.

Robert

Moderator: I think that we have, in fact, beaten this topic to death. This thread is now ended unless someone has something new to add that will be of use to those researching TOTH family.
--- Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br> wrote:

Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:16:48 -0300
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
From: Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Subject: [h-sig] *Re: Surname TOTH

Dear all,

There is a bit of a confusion about certain Hungarian ethnic expressions in use mainly in the
19th century and early 20th, such as TO'T (Slovak), RA'C (Serbian), OLA'H (Romanian), SV'AB
(Hungarian German, which by the way is the Hungarian word for cockroach), GA'DZSI (gypsy), VLAH
(Bosnian), RUSZKY (Russian) and so on.

They all were kind of pejorative, at least demeaning, much like disparaging expressions such as
PATTY, INJUN, and GRINGO are in the US. And when somebody took such designation as a surname,
mainly Jews, it somehow meant that it was forced on the person.

Regards
Tom

At 00:05 -0500 22.06.2006, H-SIG digest wrote:
Subject: Re: Surname TOTH
From: tom klein <h-sig@ecologicaltech.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:50:38 -0400
X-Message-Number: 6

Toth means slovakian, and the -th is pronounced as if the h wasn't there (not like the english
th). some other nationalities that sometimes appear as surnames: Horvath (croatian), Legyel
(polish), Nemeth (german).

--
...........................................
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@uol.com.br>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

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Manchester records - Baker discovery #unitedkingdom

Lois Kaufman <lois@...>
 

Many thanks to Lorna Kay for all the work involved in transcribing the
marriage records of the Holy Law Beth Aaron Synagogue (Red Bank) and the
South Broughton (Sabrina Street) Synagogue in Manchester.

I think that I have discovered the marriage record of the hitherto anonymous
brother of my g-grandfather, David Baker: Michael Baker married Ada
Rosenberg on 14th September 1902 at the Holy Law Synagogue. Michael's father
is named in the Manchester record as Mendel Baker. (Menachem known as Mendel
according to the Manchester Great Synagogue entry of the marriage of my
g-grandfather.) Mendel is also described as a corn miller and this ties in
with information passed down that the family owned a mill in Russia. (I
believe that this branch of the family came >from the Vilkaviskis / Mariampol
area.) There is a witness named Joshua Baker who I assume would be related.

I do not think that the civil marriage record would add much to the
information provided by the synagogue marriage record but I would like to
know where I would find the marriage authorisation document for this
marriage (the names of Michael's brothers would be given) - would it be with
the Beth Din in London, or in Manchester. I would be very grateful if
someone could point me in the right direction.

Does anyone recognise this marriage or these names?

Regards,

Lois Kaufman
Pinner

Researching:
Baker, Fraser, Frezinsky - Vilkaviskis / Mariampol / Manchester
Levy, Altman, Wolfssohn, - Poznan/Posen / Rogozno/Rogassen / Schoken/Skoki /
Leeds and Manchester
Harrison, Silverstone, Goldstone - Manchester


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Manchester records - Baker discovery #unitedkingdom

Lois Kaufman <lois@...>
 

Many thanks to Lorna Kay for all the work involved in transcribing the
marriage records of the Holy Law Beth Aaron Synagogue (Red Bank) and the
South Broughton (Sabrina Street) Synagogue in Manchester.

I think that I have discovered the marriage record of the hitherto anonymous
brother of my g-grandfather, David Baker: Michael Baker married Ada
Rosenberg on 14th September 1902 at the Holy Law Synagogue. Michael's father
is named in the Manchester record as Mendel Baker. (Menachem known as Mendel
according to the Manchester Great Synagogue entry of the marriage of my
g-grandfather.) Mendel is also described as a corn miller and this ties in
with information passed down that the family owned a mill in Russia. (I
believe that this branch of the family came >from the Vilkaviskis / Mariampol
area.) There is a witness named Joshua Baker who I assume would be related.

I do not think that the civil marriage record would add much to the
information provided by the synagogue marriage record but I would like to
know where I would find the marriage authorisation document for this
marriage (the names of Michael's brothers would be given) - would it be with
the Beth Din in London, or in Manchester. I would be very grateful if
someone could point me in the right direction.

Does anyone recognise this marriage or these names?

Regards,

Lois Kaufman
Pinner

Researching:
Baker, Fraser, Frezinsky - Vilkaviskis / Mariampol / Manchester
Levy, Altman, Wolfssohn, - Poznan/Posen / Rogozno/Rogassen / Schoken/Skoki /
Leeds and Manchester
Harrison, Silverstone, Goldstone - Manchester


Re: Kiddush goblet inscription - Rekitza or Kittsee? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Omry Kaplan-Feuereisen" <mail@kaplan-feuereisen.com> wrote in message

One possible explanation for that letter's presence is that for some
reason the Jews of Kittsee pronounced their town's name "RKITTSEE" or
similarly - and that was the way of spelling it.
Maybe the Resh is Rav=rabbi.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Kiddush goblet inscription - Rekitza or Kittsee? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Omry Kaplan-Feuereisen" <mail@kaplan-feuereisen.com> wrote in message

One possible explanation for that letter's presence is that for some
reason the Jews of Kittsee pronounced their town's name "RKITTSEE" or
similarly - and that was the way of spelling it.
Maybe the Resh is Rav=rabbi.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


LEWEK of Piotrkow Trybunalski #general

Steven Bloom <sbloom@...>
 

I recently found out that my 4th great grandfather, along my direct
paternal line, moved >from Piotrkow Trybunalski to Przedborz in about 1818.
I spoke about this in another post.

Though he took on the name Jankiel BLUMENZON it looks as if some relatives
back in PT may have taken on the surname LEWEK, probably related to the
name of an ancestor with the first name Lewek (usually associated with
Aryeh in Hebrew). Jankiel's father was Arye/Lewek and his mother was Bluma.
So, it seems reasonable that some might have taken on a patronymic surname as
opposed to a metronymic one.

I am looking for folks >from PT who might be connected to the LEWEK family
(probably eventually spelled like Levek or Levick).

Please reply privately about specific names and family info, but please
reply to the group if you have more general info for Piotrkow that might be
of interest.

Thanks.

Steve Bloom
Farmville, VA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LEWEK of Piotrkow Trybunalski #general

Steven Bloom <sbloom@...>
 

I recently found out that my 4th great grandfather, along my direct
paternal line, moved >from Piotrkow Trybunalski to Przedborz in about 1818.
I spoke about this in another post.

Though he took on the name Jankiel BLUMENZON it looks as if some relatives
back in PT may have taken on the surname LEWEK, probably related to the
name of an ancestor with the first name Lewek (usually associated with
Aryeh in Hebrew). Jankiel's father was Arye/Lewek and his mother was Bluma.
So, it seems reasonable that some might have taken on a patronymic surname as
opposed to a metronymic one.

I am looking for folks >from PT who might be connected to the LEWEK family
(probably eventually spelled like Levek or Levick).

Please reply privately about specific names and family info, but please
reply to the group if you have more general info for Piotrkow that might be
of interest.

Thanks.

Steve Bloom
Farmville, VA


Rudolf Jakob Simonis - SYMONS in Sweden - MERZBACH #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

Can anyone on the list please help me make contact with the family
of the genealogist Rudolf Jakob Simonis who fled Nazi Germany to Sweden.

His SIMONIS collection was donated in 1976 to the Leo Baeck
Institute in New York. The particular part of that collection which I am
researching concerns the MERZBACH families of Amsterdam

Thank you

David Lewin
London


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rudolf Jakob Simonis - SYMONS in Sweden - MERZBACH #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

Can anyone on the list please help me make contact with the family
of the genealogist Rudolf Jakob Simonis who fled Nazi Germany to Sweden.

His SIMONIS collection was donated in 1976 to the Leo Baeck
Institute in New York. The particular part of that collection which I am
researching concerns the MERZBACH families of Amsterdam

Thank you

David Lewin
London


Solomon "Robert" GOLDSMITH (Solomon Robert GOLDSCHMIDT) - Hamburg, Germany #general

AnieDoodle
 

Hello All ~

I am helping Herbert Lindow (who does not have Internet access) search
for his cousin Robert GOLDSMITH or Solomon Robert Goldsmith. Born
Solomon Robert GOLDSCHMIDT on 19 May 1925 in Hamburg, Germany, Robert
and his brother Bruno Goldschmidt made their way to England in the Fall
of 1938, possibly on a Kindertransport.

Solomon Robert Goldschmidt changed his name to Solomon Robert
Goldsmith. He may be known as Solomon or Robert. He became a
Naturalized British Citizen in 1947.

In 1941 he was living with a British family in Wellingborough,
Northamptonshire England.

It is possible that Solomon Robert Goldsmith may have emigrated to
Israel, Kenya, Uganda or somewhere else.

Any information about Solomon Robert Goldsmith or his descendants
would be greatly appreciated.

Please respond privately to AnieDoodle@aol.com

Best regards,

Anne Dean
Covington, Virginia
AnieDoodle@aol.com
June 25, 2006 3:56 PM

Searching: ALLEN, BUKOFZER, COPELAND (Minsk/Grodno?), FRIEDLANDER,
GILLMAN, GREENBERG (Grodno), GRODZKI (Suwalki), GROZCKY, GROSBY,
GROSSKY, GRODSKY, KAPLAN, KILLASHINSKY, KILLASINSKY, KRAZINSKY
(Dubrova), LEWIN, LEWINTHAL, SZEYNMAN (Suwalki)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Solomon "Robert" GOLDSMITH (Solomon Robert GOLDSCHMIDT) - Hamburg, Germany #general

AnieDoodle
 

Hello All ~

I am helping Herbert Lindow (who does not have Internet access) search
for his cousin Robert GOLDSMITH or Solomon Robert Goldsmith. Born
Solomon Robert GOLDSCHMIDT on 19 May 1925 in Hamburg, Germany, Robert
and his brother Bruno Goldschmidt made their way to England in the Fall
of 1938, possibly on a Kindertransport.

Solomon Robert Goldschmidt changed his name to Solomon Robert
Goldsmith. He may be known as Solomon or Robert. He became a
Naturalized British Citizen in 1947.

In 1941 he was living with a British family in Wellingborough,
Northamptonshire England.

It is possible that Solomon Robert Goldsmith may have emigrated to
Israel, Kenya, Uganda or somewhere else.

Any information about Solomon Robert Goldsmith or his descendants
would be greatly appreciated.

Please respond privately to AnieDoodle@aol.com

Best regards,

Anne Dean
Covington, Virginia
AnieDoodle@aol.com
June 25, 2006 3:56 PM

Searching: ALLEN, BUKOFZER, COPELAND (Minsk/Grodno?), FRIEDLANDER,
GILLMAN, GREENBERG (Grodno), GRODZKI (Suwalki), GROZCKY, GROSBY,
GROSSKY, GRODSKY, KAPLAN, KILLASHINSKY, KILLASINSKY, KRAZINSKY
(Dubrova), LEWIN, LEWINTHAL, SZEYNMAN (Suwalki)


Re: Sieradz = Seredzius ? #belarus

Margaret Mikulska <silvagen@...>
 

Ziegelman wrote:

Is the shtetl named Sieradz in Poland the same shtetl as Seredzius,
Lithuania?
Kind regards,
Andi Alpert Ziegelman
No, definitely not. Sieradz is in central Poland, SW of
Lodz/Litzmannstadt. Lithuania never reached that far.

-Margaret Mikulska
NJ, USA / Warszawa, Poland
silvagen@silvarerum.com


Searching for GORDON from Bergheim #germany

GSt <beagun27@...>
 

I am searching for members and descendents of the GORDON family that lived
in Koeln, Hoven/Dueren and Bergheim. They would be descendants of Dr.
Samuel LEVI >from Bergheim.

Philipp GORDON emigrated in 1830 to the US. In the 1930s, Max GORDON from
Hoven near Dueren came to the US with two daughters, as did Emanuel GORDON
from Dueren.
There may be descendants in Israel.

Please contact the undesigned privately at <beagun27@comcast.net>. Thanks.

Gunther Steinberg Portola Valley CA 94028
BLOG-url: <www.peledad24.LiveJournal.com>


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Sieradz = Seredzius ? #belarus

Margaret Mikulska <silvagen@...>
 

Ziegelman wrote:

Is the shtetl named Sieradz in Poland the same shtetl as Seredzius,
Lithuania?
Kind regards,
Andi Alpert Ziegelman
No, definitely not. Sieradz is in central Poland, SW of
Lodz/Litzmannstadt. Lithuania never reached that far.

-Margaret Mikulska
NJ, USA / Warszawa, Poland
silvagen@silvarerum.com


German SIG #Germany Searching for GORDON from Bergheim #germany

GSt <beagun27@...>
 

I am searching for members and descendents of the GORDON family that lived
in Koeln, Hoven/Dueren and Bergheim. They would be descendants of Dr.
Samuel LEVI >from Bergheim.

Philipp GORDON emigrated in 1830 to the US. In the 1930s, Max GORDON from
Hoven near Dueren came to the US with two daughters, as did Emanuel GORDON
from Dueren.
There may be descendants in Israel.

Please contact the undesigned privately at <beagun27@comcast.net>. Thanks.

Gunther Steinberg Portola Valley CA 94028
BLOG-url: <www.peledad24.LiveJournal.com>


Re: Origin of Hungarian Jews #general

Peter Bakos <pgbakos@...>
 

I cannot comment accurately as I have not got the work at hand, but the Lukas
book Budapest in 1905 quite definitely states that a large part of the population
of Pest was of Bohemian origin.

Peter Bakos


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Origin of Hungarian Jews #general

Peter Bakos <pgbakos@...>
 

I cannot comment accurately as I have not got the work at hand, but the Lukas
book Budapest in 1905 quite definitely states that a large part of the population
of Pest was of Bohemian origin.

Peter Bakos


Zimbabwe Jewish Community Website #general

Bev <bevshul@...>
 

I just saw an article about this website in the latest issue of the
Israeli ESRA (English Speaking Residents Association) magazine, looked
at the site, and thought it important to pass it on to the genealogical
community. It documents the fast disappearing 110 year old Zimbabwean
Jewish community.

The site is reported to span several thousand pages with 6,000 images
and some video clips. Over 4000 tombstones in four cemeteries have
been logged and photographed as well as 1,000 marriage certificates
from the two major communities, Harare and Bulawayo. Many family
histories have been posted as well.

I have no connection to this website.

http://www.zjc.org.il

Beverly Shulster
Yehud, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Zimbabwe Jewish Community Website #general

Bev <bevshul@...>
 

I just saw an article about this website in the latest issue of the
Israeli ESRA (English Speaking Residents Association) magazine, looked
at the site, and thought it important to pass it on to the genealogical
community. It documents the fast disappearing 110 year old Zimbabwean
Jewish community.

The site is reported to span several thousand pages with 6,000 images
and some video clips. Over 4000 tombstones in four cemeteries have
been logged and photographed as well as 1,000 marriage certificates
from the two major communities, Harare and Bulawayo. Many family
histories have been posted as well.

I have no connection to this website.

http://www.zjc.org.il

Beverly Shulster
Yehud, Israel